Hate of Speech

00:00 I'm confused Adam Curry John C. Devorah This is no agenda I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-Siss-S

00:43 Hit it. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! So I have a question. Why are bagpipes often used at funerals? It's some tradition in Scotland. Was Charlie Kirk of Scottish origin? I don't know, maybe. Well, because they have bagpipers. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on my teaser. What, that we completely forgot? Yeah. Forgot what? You don't remember what we forgot? Completely?

01:44 We completely have forgotten the last show. We forgot it now. We completely forgot it. It just didn't even come across our desk. Did it come across the climate desk? No, it wasn't climate. No, but it could have come across... I really don't know. Blackout. Oh no, did we miss blackout? Blackout, it came and went on the 15th I think. And it was well organized, there were going to be a million demonstrations, the country was going to be in a general strike, we're going to shut down because of Trump. That's interesting. We didn't really think that was going to work though, did we?

02:27 Well, we didn't but at least we could have ridiculed it or something. We didn't even do that. It was just such a dud. Well, there was it wasn't even in the news. Well, and that's why these things fail if it's not in the news then it's not Clipped and and sent out on social media. There was something else going on in the country in the world at the time and And so that's how these things work or don't work. If, if the, and you know, maybe it's very possible it was happening all over, but we didn't know about it. If a tree falls in the forest, does anyone hear it? If no one's there, does it make a sound? Well, I was here in the Bay area and I didn't see anybody protesting, walking out, you know, I suppose someone from the black community could say, cause it's supposed to be the blacks that were supposed to stop working.

03:16 for some reason. The blacks? The blacks. They could have said, you know, we haven't got any jobs so what are we supposed to do? So a lot of, I got several emails people saying, you know, you should start the show an hour later. I'm like, this is going to be a multi-hour thing, this Charlie Kirk memorial. You know, we might as well not do a show if, you know, it's like... We do a show on our own deathbeds. This is true. We do it on Christmas, we do it on Easter, we're on vacation. We're going to change the show for some outside influence? I don't think so. And it's a podcast, people. You can listen to it anytime. I am recording it. I will watch it later tonight. I'm very, I'm very interested. It's a...

04:01 It's a real moment for America's younger generation. That place is packed. Now, of course, they're showing me celebrities on the quad screen. Very important. We see who's there. Were you there? Some big names. Chris Tomlin, Brandon Lake. Phil Wickham. These are all big names. Are they? Yeah. Well, you won't see them on the MTV Awards, but yeah, they're big names. I haven't heard of any. All three of those names are unknown to me. Because I didn't know who Halsey was until I was seeing all these posts. Because they won't let Halsey do another album. So I went and I went to YouTube to listen to Halsey. You're still stuck on Rihanna. And I'm thinking, holy mackerel, just another one of these manufactured

04:46 It's just like it sounds like Taylor Swift and probably has a little better voice. But the songs are unmemorable and there's lots of them and... Yeah, that's what popular top 40 music has always been that unmemorable. I mean, name three songs Taylor go hum, hum the hook. Taylor Swift from three Taylor Swift songs. Now I can't, you can't Brianna. You're a big fan of Rihanna, but you can't hum one of her songs. I can't. Yeah. Now, these are Christian contemporary artists. They sell out Austin. Oh, that's what you would know I wouldn't know. No, they sell out Austin two nights, 15,000 people each night. They're pretty big. That's a good business. It's a great... it's the God business, man. It's a good business. So I have a suggestion for people.

05:44 Get a ProtonMail or a FastMail account or get something other than Gmail. Because I am convinced, based on the content of your newsletter, that Gmail slash Google slash Alphabet destroyed it. Well, I think this happens, by the way, our girl Catherine in Bangkok didn't get the mail either. It says a bunch of people didn't get it, and it's always Gmail, and I think you might be right, but the problem is every time I send out the second note, I get about 10 to 20 to 30 to 50 to 100 people say, I've got Gmail, I've always gotten the newsletter, I don't know what these people's problems are.

06:31 So it's, there's something selective about it and I can't, and I have yet to figure out what it might be. It could also, believe it or not, it could just also be a massive technical fail. Email, you know, there's a lot that can go wrong. You know, years ago, this is back in the early 80s when I was writing for the DEC professional. Wow, a platform that I don't think is in use anymore. No, because there's no DEC. No. Digital Equipment Corporation doesn't exist. And I wrote this column. Funny thing is the columns I wrote for that magazine is the only columns I won any awards for. Wait a minute, what award? What award did you win? I wrote the Computer Press Association Award for Best Column for one of those. Computer? Did they have a gala every year? The Computer Press Association? They did, they did. And it was gay. No surprise there. Well, it was a gay-la. Oh, very gay-la, yes. It took you forever. Yeah, I'm sorry.

07:31 So I wrote this column once there. I remember this distinctly because I never got so much hate mail in my life It was about during the early days of the internet when it was still, just after ARPANET, you get an email. And I did a rant about how that's unreliable. And it's never gonna, it's always gonna be that way. It's just because of the system itself. The whole mechanism stinks. And oh man, all these nerds, these engineers from all these big companies, you can't say this is bull crap. This is the best thing ever. It's gonna work and it works well. Well, you're... I'm sorry. I was right. Well, you're also on video with evidence of how you troll Apple people. That's one of my favorite pieces of video. You were so glib about, oh, this is how I do it. You know, I slam Apple and then I'll go, yeah, Apple's great. And then I'll slam them again. And then people whips all back and forth and my audience just keeps growing. You are the ultimate troll. It's very good. Oh, well, I'm not as much as I used to be.

08:35 Well, I lost my touch to be honest about it. Can you turn your speakers just a little? It's really, really coming back loud. What is this? Why is it? Yeah, it's coming back loud today for some reason. It should be okay now. Yeah, it's okay now. So, uh, oh, I forgot last night. I, uh, local, local Fredericksburg news report. And by the way, before you get your Fredericksburg news report, I want to say so Mimi up who's running for office in Port Angeles. Yeah. But where's the script? She has a friend who's an ex-police and he is

09:18 connected to the same military intelligence people we talked about before. Oh, great going down. He feels his feet. She says that she tells me these stories that what what why does he think this? And I always say that, by the way, my response, which includes is going to be an assassination attempt at the Charlie Kirk thing. And there's all this and that and all the anomalies about the the assassination and all the rest. And I said, you know, and the one thing in common I think that all these people have is they refuse to listen to the No Agenda show. Oh no, why would they? It's like Laura Logan doesn't listen to the No Agenda show. She'll never listen to it because it's, it's, no, uh-uh. I can barely get the keeper to listen to a full episode. She listens. You know who, you know who listen? Everyone at church. They love it. They love the No Agenda show.

10:12 Everybody's like, yeah. Oh, so I walk in, this is the Boots and Barbecue. This is the big Fredericksburg Tea Party Gala, which I like a lot because it doesn't cost anything and there's no auction. Every gala in the world has a... The silent auction is closed, everybody. You know, they did have a silent auction. They had an auction if they had a silent auction. No, no, the silent auction, but it wasn't, they had sponsors of the event. They didn't have fun. It wasn't a fundraising event per se, although it is, but all these galas like, and then, well, okay, we've got half a cow from Ted's ranch and the bidding starts at $800.

10:58 And you know, and then so people wind up buying $4,000 half a cow. You know, it's all kind of like kind of icky. It's like, yeah, look at me. I got the big swinger. Just donate your money. You know, and there's always something that is very overpriced that you don't want. Like a week stay in Steamboat, Colorado in August. What's the name of this thing again? Boots and Barbecue. And it's organized so that one of the big engines behind Boots and Barbecue, also the Fredericksburg Tea Party, is Matt Long, who organizes our meetups here. And Matt's the guy that dresses up as Benjamin Franklin and goes into the schools, the public schools.

11:52 He actually looks like Benjamin Franklin. One of those guys. Oh, he's great. He's good at it. No, this is... Matt's the real deal. One of Benjamin Franklin's, I don't know, relatives, direct descendant, a guy named Nick DeWolf was a very famous technologist. And he, I think he was the great-great-grandson or something. And he actually looked like Ben Franklin. Well, Matt Long looks like Ben Franklin. But he's not related. No, who cares about your stupid story? It's like you just derailed everything. I know a guy who was friends with the great grandson. If you had a good story, you just plow through it. Yeah, but it wasn't a good story. I'm trying to get to it.

12:41 Anyway, so it's a big deal and it's sponsored by... Let's see, this is a great list of people. Gun Owners of America. Woohoo! Ben Franklin? No, no, the Boots and Barbecue, the Tea Party, the big annual gala. Oh, I thought you said it wasn't sponsored by anybody. No, I said there was no auction where they have those stupid auctions. Oh, okay. A golfing vacation. Anyway. I'm hearing something really strange. Something's off with my... Are you still there? Yeah. Something's off with the system. I don't know what's going on today. So, underwritten, let's put it that way. Gun Owners of America, the Convention of States, Moms for Liberty. You can already tell this was a hootenanny. This was good. And the speaker was... Who's that guy? He has a lot of these podcasts.

13:44 Yeah, apart from that... The story is getting worse by the minute. Alex Newman. Alex Newman. Now he's pretty good. Alex Newman did 45 minutes and it was the no agenda show. It was literally agenda 2021, agenda 2030, Soros, Common Core. I mean, it was like a run through our history. And the guys out there making money on this. I'm sitting there going, we could do this. We'd just get a PowerPoint. Yeah, he had so many slides that we'll only have 45 minutes. We'll just fast forward it through about 50 slides. Okay, we're here now. But it was good. You know, they honored the volunteer fire department of Kerr County. Of course, you know, we had the floods here. So that was that was really nice. But anyway, the point is, I bumped into Kyle Biederman. And Kyle Biederman, why are you laughing?

14:38 That's because this is the most rambling story you've ever told. Alright, never mind. Okay, let's move on to the news. I don't even know who Kyle Biederman is. I want to know now. I'm about to explain. He's a state senator. Guy who owns Ace Hardware. Oh, okay. Is he from... Fredericksburg. He's a Fredericksburg state senator for the Texas legislature and he's a Republican. Yes, and he owns Ace Hardware. And he comes out to me and says, I- He owns Ace Hardware, the chain? No, he owns several franchises. Oh, he owns Ace Franchise. And a pizza restaurant. And he says, I love your show. How long you been doing that? You guys, you're really good. Do you really like each other? I said, no. It's just a good show. And he says, I love the Florida ounces. Anyway, and Chip Roy, Chip Roy was there. Did Chip Roy listen to the show? Chip Roy doesn't listen to anything or anybody. He's at every single one of these. He's running for Texas Attorney General. That's why he was there.

15:38 And Don Heffanis, he's running for comptroller. It was a political event, but you know what was good? The barbecue was good. Somehow that story just didn't unpack. I think it was all, I was going to do a really short update and... I think you could have started with the ending. With the barbecue was really good? No, just the barbecue was good and guess who was there and he likes to know a gender show. I think that would have really made it, brought it home. I'll do better. I'll do better. Instead of a bunch of bands I never heard of. The bands, the bands were at Charlie Kirk's memorial.

16:18 You are very, you're not listening. You're very confused. No, it's because the story was discom... discom... No! Whatever. Okay. It was, it was bad. Oh, okay. So let's... No, here we go. Here we go. Here we go. Now, the topic of the week has been free speech! And it's really irked me how, well not irked me, I think people tune into the No Agenda Show or listen to it on the podcast to get some actual information, to really understand what the truth is about something. And everybody is full of crap.

17:01 including Ted Cruz. What he said there is dangerous as hell. And I gotta say that's right out of Goodfellas. That's right out of a Mafiosa coming into play. That's all, folks! I wonder if I have that. Wow! That's got to be some kind of tell. Let me see. That's right out of a Mafiosa. Hold on, I missed it. Here we go. And I gotta say that's right out of Goodfellas. That's right... Ah, folks! No, that's not it. Ah, I thought I had a... That's all they got! Nah, I don't have it. I don't have a porky pig. Alright, onward. I gotta say that's right out of Goodfellas. That's right out of a mafioso coming into a bar going, nice bar you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. If the government gets in the business of saying, well hold on a second.

17:56 What is Cruz doing, schtick now? Well this is his podcast. It's on his podcast. And he's doing voices? That wasn't bad actually. I thought his voice was pretty good. No, I'm not saying it was bad. But he's Ted Cruz. I know! But this is a... The whole thing stems from a dumb remark or a remark made on a podcast. People don't think about what they're saying on podcasts. We've been a thesis of yours for the entire 18 years we've been doing this show. And it's basically, you love bringing these, these people, these clips from these naive people that think that, I don't know, understand it either, to be honest about it. Why you think that you can say stuff on a podcast you wouldn't say on network TV? Well, it's a, they don't consider it to be real media to this day. It's getting a little closer, I think.

18:59 No. Like Palm Bandy. You know, she said stuff on a podcast which was just ridiculous. And we determined that that was possibly a Stephen Miller hit, which I think is still a very good thesis. But anyway, let's get back to Ted Cruz with his... Nice bar you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it. If the government gets in the business of saying, we don't like... What? Did you say something? No, that was in the clip. Oh, you sound like Cruz. If the government gets in the business of saying, we don't like what you, the media have said, we're going to ban you from the airwaves if you don't say what we like. That will end up bad for conservatives. Okay, so let's just go through a couple things which are not really exposed at all.

19:59 or discussed and let's listen first to what Jimmy Kimmel actually said. We had some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. In between the finger pointing, there was grieving on Friday the White- Okay, so the actual offense as it's being determined, and we'll get into it, is this beginning part And the second part is what everybody's focused on. saying that this was a MAGA guy. He's saying it in reverse, but he's kind of saying that. And then we go into the comedy portion. The finger pointing, there was grieving on Friday. The White House flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism. But on a human level, you can see how hard the president is taking this.

21:10 on the loss of your friend, Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir? I think very good. And by the way, right there, you see all the trucks? They've just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get, as you know, for about 150 years. And it's going to be a beauty. Yes. He's at the fourth stage of grief, construction. It's demolition, construction. This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he called a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish. Okay, it was offensive towards the president because really, you know,

21:53 I don't know if the president even heard the first bit that the reporter asked. Like, you know, the murder of Charlie—sorry about the murder of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up? Or maybe he's an 80-year-old who's like, huh, what? Yeah, I'm doing great. Look at the construction over there. I don't know. But that's fine. But that's what it seems like. Well, here's the full clip of that in context. My condolences, Mr. Rex. My condolences on the loss of your friend, Charlie Kirk. May I ask, sir, personally, how are you holding up over the last day and a half, sir? I think very... You see, it really... I mean, that's from the... That's standing next to the president. It's a different camera angle. It's kind of hard to hear what he said. But regardless...

22:33 So, then Brendan Carr, the FCC chairman, goes on the Benny Johnson podcast and shoots his mouth off, although technically I believe he is correct. There's a very concerted effort to try to lie to the American people about the nature, as you indicated, one of the most significant newsworthy public interest acts that we've seen in a long time. And what appears to be an action, appears to be an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play into that narrative that this was somehow a MAGA or Republican motivated person. If that's what happened here with his conduct, that is really, really sick. I've been very clear.

23:19 They have a license granted by us at the FCC and that comes with an obligation to operate in the public interest. And we can get into some ways that we've been trying to reinvigorate the public interest in some changes that we've seen, but frankly when you see stuff like this, I mean look we can do this the easy way or the hard way these companies can find ways to change conduct to take action Frankly on Kimmel or you know, there's gonna be additional work for the FCC ahead so kind of a dumb statement because it did sound threatening but what people don't understand is

23:55 is how the system works because everyone just watches stuff on X or you watch it maybe on YouTube TV. This is legacy. legacy of spectrum, which is very valuable. You know, you probably read about auctions, oh, a billion dollars here, 10 billion dollars here, 17. I think Starlink just bought some spectrum from somebody else for 17 billion dollars. So the broadcast spectrum is owned by all of us, the taxpayers, and the licensing requirements are very clear, although they really have not ever been enforced because most

24:33 presidents and administrations have been afraid of the media. Like, well, you know, if we start to mess with them, then, you know, they'll say bad things about me. Well, I don't think President Trump has anything to lose in that manner. And it really is not the networks. It's each local individual station that has a transmitter, which if they just turn those off and went, you know, full digital, they would not have to deal with any of this. Well, yet, that's true. So, there's a few requirements. First of all, you have to be a citizen, can't be a foreign government. This is why Rupert Murdoch became an American. Character, an applicant must act honestly, intentional misrepresentations greatly increase the risk of license denial or non-renewal.

25:22 Criminal conduct may or may not disqualify an applicant. When reviewing competing applications, an applicant who has no character issues more likely to receive the license than one with legal violations, etc., financial requirements, and there's technical requirements. But there is There are some very specific laws about what you can and can't broadcast. So first, let's continue with Benny. These are all short with Benny Johnson and Brendan Carr. Obviously, there's calls for Kim will be fired. I think, you know, you could certainly see a path forward for suspension over this. And again, you know, the FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at. Again, you know, we may ultimately be called to be a judge on that. But this also strikes me as sort of conduct

26:08 that to some extent it shows some sort of desperate irrelevance. I mean, look, NPR has been defunded. PBS has been defunded. Colbert is retiring. Joy Reid is out at MSNBC. Terry Moran has gone from ABC into now admitting that they are biased. CBS has now made some commitments to us that they're gonna return to more fact-based journalism. And so I think you see some lashing out from people like Kimmel, who are frankly, talentless. Yeah, it's like this is a podcast and he thinks that no one watches Benny Johnson or I'll do this quick Benny Johnson podcast. He's a big podcaster. Of course he is. Although man, go look at his YouTube channel. You know, he does with all the, with the YouTube channel. If you'd want to just find the Brendan Carr interview, good luck because every image is AI generated of outraged looking people.

27:06 You know, because that's what you have to do in order for the algorithms to pick it up and people to click on it. Oh, there's an outrage clip. I got to check that out. So before you continue, I want to comment on that clip. The way he cavalierly says that PBS and NPR have been defunded. It is ridiculous. They're not defunded at all. They're not even close to being defunded. What he meant to say or should have said was that the government's not giving them any more subsidies and that amounts to 1% of their budget. So how is that defunded? It's not. He's an idiot in line with Palm Bandy. He's a total idiot. He should be fired. Well, he might get fired, but...

27:48 And maybe this was intentional. I don't know. It doesn't seem like it. It seems like he's just shooting his mouth off. And as a commissioner, that's not your job. We finally know his. You're absolutely correct. This guy should not be on a podcast at all. He should just like all these lot of people during this Kirk, the Kirk era, they should just shut up. Well, here he is with the actual rules and regulations and I have a few things to read. over the years the FCC has stepped back from enforcing it and I don't think it's been to the benefit of anybody. Just look at the credibility of these legacy media. It's absolutely through the floor. They used to be able to say at least they were more trustworthy than Congress but now they're even less trustworthy than Congress. And so I think as a business matter for them something has to change and at the FCC you know we need to reinvigorate this.

28:49 So again, there's actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters. And frankly, I think that it's really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say, listen, we are going to preempt. We are not going to run. Kimmel anymore, until you straighten this out, because we, we licensed broadcaster are running the possibility of fines or license revocation from the FCC. We continue to run content that ends up being a pattern of news distortion. So I think again, Disney needs to see some change here. But the individual licensed stations that are taking their content, it's time for them to step up and say this, you know, garbage

29:30 to the extent that that's what comes down the pipe in the future isn't something that we think serves the needs of our local communities. So just so we understand, the FCC can't pull anything away from ABC, NBC, CBS. They can only pull away from individual stations. And the renewal period is every eight years. And it's a real thing. It really happens. And usually it's like, whatever, just keep on going. But the citizens who are in the market of a transmitter They are the ones who can file complaints, and I'm sure they've filed plenty of complaints against The View and Kimmel. There's a lot of people, particularly our age and older, who sit at home going, ah, these guys, I'm going to file a complaint with the FCC. You know that that happens. And the FCC— Yeah, yeah. I'm almost—I'm at the point, if I wasn't doing this podcast, I'd be doing it. Exactly. You'd be writing letters to the president on your typewriter. No, so this is—it's

30:30 And it's very valid that a lot of these stations who are getting their complaints are saying, well, you know, this is kind of a problem because I think it's in 2028 is when a lot of them come up for renewal. Like, well, you know, if you look at the balance and if you really look at the laws, the laws, then, you know, I can see where they would be worried and Brendan Carr obviously threw some gasoline on the fire. Now, there is another very specific, it's a US law, 47 CFR 73.1217.

31:12 It's he talks about here. We have a rule on the book that interprets a public interest standard that says news distortion is something that is prohibited. Likewise, we have a rule that addresses broadcast hoaxes. And so, again, over the years, the FCC has stepped back from enforcing it. And I don't think it's been to the benefit of anybody. Just look at the credibility of these legacy media. It's absolutely through the floor. They used to be able to say at least they were more trustworthy than Congress, but now they're even less trustworthy than Congress. And so I think as a business matter for them, something has to change. And at the FCC, you know, we need to reinvigorate this. So again, there's actions that we can take on licensed broadcasters. And frankly, I think that it's really sort of past time that a lot of these licensed broadcasters themselves push back on Comcast and Disney and say, listen, we are going to preempt. We are not going to run Kimmel anymore until you straighten this out. Did I just play that? I think I just played that. Yeah, you played it twice in a row. Yeah. Okay. So

32:10 The law is no licensee or permittee of any broadcast station shall broadcast false information concerning a crime or catastrophe if the licensee... This is number one. If the licensee knows this information is false. Well, that's kind of difficult to prove. That is tough. That's a tough one to prove. If it is foreseeable that broadcasts of the information will cause substantial public harm, maybe, maybe not. Broadcasts of the information does in fact directly cause substantial public harm. This is kind of what they call the hoax rule. So, you know, obviously no one should say anything because we don't know the exact origin. They didn't at that time, certainly not know anything about this kid. But, you know, when you're talking to someone who's saying, I'm sorry my love and is living with a trans person, it's probably not a MAGA.

33:08 You know, so probably not. Probably not. And his mom said he wasn't. You can make a case that that was broadcasting false information, but it comes down to a balance. But again, as we pointed out in the last show, we had clips that indicated that that operation is so filled with liberals and siloed people. I was thinking about these terms silo versus bubble. Bubbles pop, silos don't. siloed people that all believe something and so I think they were totally sincere. It definitely wasn't a hoax. Well, news distortion is another part of a different rule on the books and this is the final question short. Do you believe that what Jimmy Kimmel said rises to the level of news distortion? Look again, the FCC could be called upon to be an ultimate judge in that but at this point I think it's, you know,

34:01 clear, it appears to be clear, that you could make a strong argument that this is sort of an intentional effort to mislead the American people about a very core fundamental fact, a very important matter. At the end of the day, if we do get called upon to cast a vote on this, Disney will have a chance to put in their arguments and explain it. But this is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney. So serious issue for Disney, but he has no power over Disney. He only has a rule, a decision making over license renewal, which would come up in 2028, which he probably wouldn't even be there anymore if a Democrat president is in the administration, etc, etc. So it's all kind of

34:46 hypothetical. Here's Brendan Carr explaining himself on CNBC where all truth comes out. Was this before or after the podcast? This is after the podcast. Yeah, this was in fact Thursday. Now I certainly defer to the decision-making of the company itself in terms of saying this was beyond the bounds but I do wonder and I think many people do whether you really are just targeting comedians who typically through the years have have made fun of political figures in a way that because the president simply is offended by it. No, no, no, look, again, broadcast TV is different. We're on a cable show right now. You don't have an FCC license. You don't have an obligation to serve the public interest. Podcasts don't either. Stand-up comedians, whether they're on lots of forms of communications, don't. And Kimmel is free to do that.

35:36 If you have a broadcast TV license, that means that you have something that very few people have. And you're excluding other people from having access to that valuable public resource. And it comes with an obligation to serve the public interest. And again, over the years, there's been a rule in place at the FCC that local TV stations get to preempt programming that they don't think meets the needs of their communities. But recently these national programmers, ABC, Disney, Comcast, NBC, they've been exercising outsized control and power over those local TV stations and there's been no pushback. And this is a very significant moment because local broadcasters are now pushing back

36:15 Now this was interesting to me because I'm not, do you know anything about that relationship? Are these local broadcast stations, are they slaves of the networks? Do they have their hands on their nuts, so to speak? Are they slaves to the networks? I think to some extent they are. Because we had a situation in the Bay Area where one of our stations, KRON, which was the NBC affiliate,

37:02 was kicked off of, it was replaced by a station that I think at the time was in Sacramento and they moved to San Jose, KNTV. And it had to do with the, all of a sudden the network wanted to charge more money. Well, there it is. It comes down to money. There's a money issue, dude. And by the way, one thing that's not mentioned here and it should be mentioned is the Disney thing is a little more complicated than what's being presented because there's also a deal that is going to have to be approved by the Trump administration at some point in time coming up. What is the Disney deal?

37:46 The Disney deal, Disney's trying to buy via ESPN, they're trying to buy NFL networks. Oh, well, what is, oh, that would be an anti-competitive? Yes, because it brings the NFL, you know, more NFL games over to ESPN and this is a big deal. No one talks about that one. But it's talked about in sports circles. Okay, as far as I'm concerned, no one talks about that one. They do talk about it, it's been talked about. No I know, but because it's sports, hello. But let's follow the money. I think these affiliates have been asking for probably since the writers, probably since the writers strike, they've been saying hey ABC,

38:33 Can you take this guy off? We could do reruns of Hogan's Heroes and make a lot more profit. Just to back you up on that, if you had looked at the newsletter... I did! I did when it came out. When it came out. Sorry. If it came out, if you got one... There is a chart in there showing the unbelievable fallout of the audiences for these late night shows. It is so bad. How bad is it? It's bad. They've dropped, I'd say 90% of their audience has been lost and Kimmel was losing 40. I mean, they say that Colbert, which was over staff, was losing 100 million a year. Kimmel was losing 40.

39:19 40 million a year just down the drain and the audience is not showing any signs of recovery. All three networks. And there you have it. The bottom line is that Disney didn't want the backlash. They didn't want, you know, just want to get rid of Kimmel. I'm sure NBC wants to get rid of Fallon because of this very issue. It's not prestigious anymore. Yeah, and you're right about Hogan's Heroes, by the way. Yeah. Well, it's very... Hogan's hero reruns would get more audience than Kimmel. It's cheap content. It's cheap content. You could put friends there. And it's cheap. It's free. Yeah. So this is a money issue. They've been probably saying this for a long time. And oh, by the way, our audience gets mad and that's why they're not watching anymore because your guy is just making fun of their guy. This has been a money issue and Brendan Carr empowered them, particularly Nexstar. And what's the other outfit who used to be headquartered here in Austin?

40:13 But I know the other one that was upset was Sinclair, but I don't think they were in Austin. They were in Austin, were they? No. Their headquarter is in Austin. Or it was. Yeah, it was. Ron Bloom and I went there. No, Ron Bloom and I went there. We pitched them on something a long time ago. And it was, huh, well that's news to me. And we talked with a muckety-muck. A muckety-muck! Yes, a muckety-muck. A true muckety-muck. So the only guy who, of course, In a way, well, he waffles a bit at the end, but Rand Paul talked to Kristen Welk from NBC and he just called it straight up as it is. Do you want to ask you broadly speaking about free speech? Free speech! Freedom of speech. I want to play something that President Trump promised during his inaugural address followed by comments that he made just this week. By the way, I forgot to harp on the president for this comment during his inaugural speech. Take a look.

41:14 I will also sign an executive order to immediately stop all government censorship and bring back free speech. Freedom of speech to America. When somebody is given 97% of the stories are bad about a person, that's no longer free speech. It's no longer. That's just cheating. Senator, do you believe that President Trump is sending the message that he only supports free speech when it's speech that he agrees with? Well, this is why it's kind of rich for Governor Shapiro also to come on and be outraged by censorship. Was he asleep for the four years of the Biden administration when they did have some censorship? The FBI, Department of Homeland Security were sent to the offices of Twitter. They were sent to the offices of Facebook. Facebook was told to take down information concerning the origins of the COVID virus

42:08 Or they were being threatened with removing their liability protection or being threatened with being broken up by antitrust. So we have had official censorship going on for many years now and everybody on the left just looked the other way. They actually had an office, an office of censorship. So I applaud Trump for bringing that down now saying we're going after the FCC licenses is wrong and inconsistent with that I applaud Trump for getting rid of the censorship office in our government, but I think people should discontinue this idea of Policing hate speech or sending the FCC after networks Yeah, both of those are in his in his crosshairs and rightly so because they're morons Brendan Carr is dumb and palm bandy maybe even dumber

42:52 The thing that's amazing though is that where ABC thought, wow, this is great. We can dodge the bullet of getting rid of Kimmel because, oh, there's, you know, the only young people we have are the ones watching, what is it, the 0.7 rating, I think? It's almost nothing. More people listen in the demographic. 18 to 49 more people listen to no agenda show. It's really that bad. But what is what's bad? But what's happened is because of the hatred towards Trump from the I guess your typical ABC late-night viewer They've gotten the ire of all of their fans and and not just people who like Kimmel

43:37 But Disney fans and Disney fan. I mean the I know I'm sure you know some Disney fans These are people who do pilgrimages You know, they or big buses. They love Disney anything. There's Disney. They'll watch every movie. Can I tell you something? Yeah, no Oh, I know a lot of people like that. I do not know one person like that well That's interesting. I know a lot of people like that. Obviously there's a lot of diehard Disney fans and they are revolting, not as in they're, they're kind of revolting too, but they are revolting. They have to be revolting. They're revolting against ABC. Here's an example of some TikTok dude.

44:20 Okay, everybody, so as of today, I've canceled my Hulu, my Disney+, my Paramount. I never had ESPN, I would have canceled it anyway. I cut up my Disney credit card. My Disney annual pass to the park has expired. I was thinking of renewing it. I will not be renewing it. I refuse to stand on any Disney property. I refuse to eat at any Disney establishment. That is my little way of protesting my right to the First Amendment. What they're doing on now becoming state run media is getting rid of everyone that disagrees with the current administration. And that I have to draw the line. I mean, there are other things, but this my right to say whatever I want to say being taken away. Now what I could watch, what I can't watch now that doesn't flow with me. So.

45:11 The only way to get back at them is, you gotta get back at Disney, gotta get back at ABC because they cowered to a bully. So they basically told them to get rid of these people. Stephen Colbert was first, Jimmy Kimmel was second, they will go after more, also daytime. State-run media, this is the beginning. It's happening now, it's happened before. North Korea, China, Russia, state-run media as of today. 1930s, 1940s, Nazi Germany, Hitler became chancellor. First thing he did, went after radio, went after the print, the newspapers, state-run media, told the people what they can watch, what they can't watch. Sorry, only way to make them feel it, in the pocketbook, I canceled it all.

45:59 Peace out. What this brings to mind is something that you and Mo discussed some years ago about the idea that we're not gonna hire people anything like this because the long-term effects are so negative. This was some time ago when you talked about don't hire a black person because it's gonna be trouble down the road. This is, This is the price you're gonna have to pay if you're gonna hire liberals at the level of Jimmy Kimmel. Now they're paying the price, and they're gonna pay the price for when they get rid of The View. They should've not had the shows on in the first place is what's gonna be the rationale for never hiring anybody like that again. This is not the way to go about this.

46:53 And it's worse because now big stars, big stars, actually Cynthia Nixon, you know, Sex and the City, sure, but she's in Gilded Age, a runaway hit series, and here's her little 30-second bit. Hey, I just cancelled my Disney Plus and Hulu subscriptions. And they asked me why I hit other and I wrote because I believe in the First Amendment, reinstate Jimmy Kimmel. Now, my whole family is really going to miss Abbott Elementary. We are really going to miss only murders in the building. But you know what? We would miss the First Amendment a whole lot more. Don't go to the theme parks. Don't go on the cruises. Cancel your subscriptions now.

47:40 Yeah, this is... they are definitely paying the price. Yeah, they're paying the price. If they hadn't had Kimmel in the first place, this wouldn't happen. That's the irony. Now, since we're talking about First Amendment stuff, I do have one clip in this. One more in my sequence here. The last one, which relates to the woke guy talking about, this is what Stalin did, this is what Hitler did, this is state-run, state-controlled media. You want to hear about state-controlled media, woke boy? This is my new friend, Katie Hopkins. Remember I met her? Katie Hopkins was here in Fredericksburg. She's your pal now. She's my buddy now, yes. And she was right down the road doing an interview with Laura Logan, going rogue with Laura Logan, and listen to this. What my comedy shows do, they allow people to laugh at the things you're not allowed to say, because I can just about get away with saying them now in the guise of comedy.

48:36 And it's a fine line. I was arrested and interviewed under caution. I haven't spoken about this yet. About three weeks ago. And I'm waiting to be charged for the crime of online communications, crime of speech for my Katie's. I do a pub night online called the Katie's Arms. I love the Katie's Arms. So I've been arrested for that. I see. Because of what I said on my Katie's Arms pub. So that's her live stream where she drinks wine? Have you ever seen it? No. It's just her in her apartment, she's drinking wine. She's making snide remarks. Yeah. And they arrested her for something she said. That's Hitler. That's the stuff you're talking about. Exactly, and that's what's going on in the UK right now.

49:28 I mean when Linham was arrested, he's not even a UK citizen that I think he's Irish or he might be Scott. But whatever the case is that he comes into Heathrow, I think, and I said it on the show, a couple of shows, last show or the show before that, I think Americans that do a lot of tweeting could possibly just be picked up when they show up at Heathrow. Oh, well it's funny you bring that up because I have a clip of an American, now she's not at Heathrow, she already is living in the UK. And this is, you know, the GB News is making a big deal of this. She's a member of something called the Free Speech Union, which is probably strike one. Here she is as a cop comes to her house. I'm a member of the Free Speech Union and I'm an American citizen. Something that we believe you've written on Facebook has upset someone. You're here because somebody got upset. Is it against the law? Am I being arrested?

50:24 You're not being arrested. Then what are you doing here? My plan was, if you were admitting that it was you who wrote the comment, you could just make an apology to the person. I'm not apologizing to anybody, I can tell you that. The alternative would be that I have to call you for an interview. I'm here to talk to you about the allegation. They've reported it to the police. So what? Obviously we get a lot of reports like that. Are there no houses? that have been burgled recently, no rapes, no murders? Yeah, that's all going on as well. Well then why aren't you out there doing, you know, investigating those? Because I've got to investigate everything that gets reported. Well, you're not investigating houses being burgled. No, that's not my job today. Would you like to have a look at the comment that I made? I don't need to. I know exactly the things I've said. So the cop shows up at her house.

51:05 to talk to her about what she posted and if she just goes along with him and apologizes to the person she offended, then the problem goes away. Otherwise you have to come downtown, we have to interview you. By the way, didn't she sound a bit like Mimi? No, not to me. No, to me. You sound very nervous and pissed. Well no. Which does sound a little like Mimi. Well no, which is like, I know exactly what I said. I'm not apologizing to anybody. I can see Mimi saying that. Well there's that. Yeah, well that would definitely be the wordage would be similar. So...

51:42 You know, it's like, come on. But anyway, you had to, you wanted to go to a clip. Yeah, I want to get this. We're talking about free speech and I... Freedom of speech. I'm not going to allow it to say free speech. I don't know why freedom of speech as opposed to free speech is so important to you. Because one of these days they're going to write some legislation that's going to be free speech and it'll be something different than the First Amendment. This happens all the time. Now it's different now. Hate speech, like hate speech. That's just... Hate of speech? Hate speech kind of just crept in all of a sudden. And then we have our attorney general talking about it. So no, it's freedom of speech. To me, it's awkward structure to say freedom of speech when you mean free speech. I don't mean that. Free speech is this podcast. This is free. Free speech. Okay, well, that's what I'm talking about. Free speech. Okay, free speech. Podcast. Yeah.

52:36 So we had discussed Harvey Levin trying to get out of the fact that his audience cheered. Yes. No, not his audience, his staff. Not his audience, his staff. His entire staff cheered when Charlie Kirk was killed. And he came on sheepishly saying, well, nobody like that. They weren't cheering about that. Nobody would be working here if they were that way, blah, blah, blah. and I've gotten plenty of evidence, I've seen him go on and off on Trump all the time. So listen to, now so they bring up the Kimmel thing on the show, and tell me that this guy didn't just hire people that hate it. I mean, they're just, you can tell that this whole operation is staffed by these types of people. They're all a bunch of liberals. To an extreme, just listen to Harvey in the background during this teaser, this is the beginning of a segment on Kimmel,

53:31 Harvey going as they're talking about free speech there he keeps saying RIP RIP listen to this it is a new day in America day where it feels like more than ever free speech and the First Amendment. R.I.P. Some people are saying R.I.P. to the First Amendment after Jimmy Kimmel was officially suspended but suspended indefinitely by ABC. Well that's interesting. I thought that was a bit much. And he was beside himself, RIP, RIP. And they did a teaser with RIP, RIP. So, like, he's going to be censored? Maybe he could get fired because he's a douche? Of course not. Of course not. He's a Jew. The Jews run the media. No way. It's never going to happen. He has nothing to worry about. RIP, RIP. Brother. Yes, his problem is he's a douche.

54:32 And I... well, you don't actually watch TMZ, do you? You just picked up that clip somewhere. I'm sure you don't watch it. I occasionally watch it. Oh. Because I think it's I like the structure of the show. Mm-hmm I find it fascinating that Harvey who is very petite male a lot of people you don't realize it because He's a petite male. He is a petite male really and compared I mean he and usually he's behind like a fence or behind a barrier and he's kind of leaning over drinking a soda as he But when he comes out and stands amongst the others, he is the petite, he's a petite male. He works out a little bit. But I would like to see him next to Greg Gutfeld and I wonder which one of the two is shorter.

55:18 Well, you know, small people with big heads are very successful on television. That's the rule. Yep. I'm going to lead you into your clips with a 40-second setup. The Pentagon will now require credentialed journalists to sign a pledge to refrain from reporting on stories that have not been authorized for release, including unclassified information. The newly named Department of War detailed in a 17-page memo that journalists who do not abide by the new policy will risk losing their access. The new restrictions come as the Trump administration beefs up its attacks on the media landscape. Defense Secretary Pete Hexeth stated that reporters will also no longer be allowed to freely roam the halls, adding that they must either follow the rules or go home.

56:01 U.S. journalists have denounced the new measures as unconstitutional, calling them an attack on the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of the press. So the press somehow believes that freedom of the press, which by the way, no one calls it free press, you'll notice that. Yeah they do. Okay. Barry Weiss. Yep. Freedom of the press has nothing to do with where you walk. Or what you can grab, it has to do with what you can say. Doesn't mean you can roam the halls of the Pentagon barging into whatever office you want to. Well, clearly that's what they think, according to Euronews, that's what they're all up in arms because we can't walk around the halls. We have freedom of the press, man! Free press! Free press! Free press is what my Chinese laundry does.

56:51 Pentagon clamped and this is from NPR. There's only two clips but they summarize it I think. Press Corps that covers it there are some new rules to follow that is if they want to keep their official credentials that allow them to report from inside the building. It is worth noting the move came at the end of a week where the Trump administration took aim at First Amendment rights on several fronts. President Trump tried to sue the New York Times. ABC took late night host Jimmy Kimmel off the airwaves after the chairman of the FCC threatened the network's stations unless they acted against the longtime Trump critic. Trump also warned that broadcasters who air the voices of critics like Kimmel should lose their licenses. Joining us to explain what this... What?

57:32 I know, but this is so slanted. We just played the actual clip of what he said. There was none of that. Yeah, I know. This is great. Critic. Trump also warned that broadcasters who air the voices of critics like Kimmel should lose their licenses. Joining us to explain what this latest move at the Pentagon means for reporters and for the rest of us is NPR media correspondent David Fulkenflik. Hi, David. Hey, Scott. Tell us what exactly the new rule is. Well, you know, Pete Hegseth came in as a Pentagon chief. He's a former Fox and Friends weekend host, and he promised that it would be the most transparent Pentagon in history. Instead, they've had very few press briefings. And now, and they threw out, by the way, a number of media organizations from their slots at the Pentagon, including NPR and The Watch, The New York Times. And now they're saying that

58:20 Reporters who want to report from inside the building have to pledge never to divulge or even gather any information that the Pentagon hasn't authorized for release and that's including unclassified information. I mean that just doesn't sound like reporting. It doesn't sound like reporting. It doesn't sound like the kind of reporters you and I know. I mean, these are people who often have done this for many years. Many of them have, you know, covered military conflict and wars in faraway zones and have gotten to know military personnel from the grunts to the multi-star generals. and commanders and you know have gone through corridors and hallways knocked on doors not only to get scoops but just to get expertise and understanding of the kinds of stories they're trying to bring to the American public and to the military personnel themselves. How are the news organizations that cover the Pentagon responding to this? Now let me just say something to these hoity-toities here for a second. I would be on board with what you're saying if for the past

59:19 15 years, maybe even for the entire length of our free speech podcast, we hadn't been inundated with complete non-journalistic reports of sources say. I went to college for three months for communications and what I learned right off the bat from Vanita Zin, who was my professor, You need to have two sources on the record to report something, on the record. We haven't heard an on the record in over a decade. So you're not… Try two decades. Try two decades. May I possibly write… Well, this was also in 1985, I think. No. Try four decades. Whatever.

1:00:05 So, get out of here with your, well, you know, this is not how reporters operate. Yeah, that's exactly how reporters operate. You take leaks from all kinds of people with agendas from inside the building, which is the problem, of course. And, you know, we don't want you doing that anymore. Yeah. Okay, fine. I just look at the sales numbers. How are we doing? Do we sell any stuff to Ukraine? That's good to go. I think that's about right. But yes, I think all that is correct and they've kind of, they've gotten lazy. Well, you know, what they could have done, because of the internet, yes, you're right, lazy is the word, it used to be, according to the Uganda Times,

1:00:50 Now those are the good old days when you had this... Yeah, that's when the CIA could plan a story in the Uganda Times and they just pick it up. They don't even do that anymore. That's the way they're supposed to do it. They don't even do that anymore. Circular reporting. No, they're too lazy. They're too lazy. You're right. I haven't seen a report from the Uganda Times forever. It's hopping. I'm telling you, the Uganda Times... Is there an actual Uganda Times? I think there is a Uganda Times. There probably is. Okay, let's go to the... finish this up. Scott, I think it's very striking that none of the TV networks that I've reached out to, including Fox News itself, CBS, NBC, CNN have said anything publicly, issued any public statements. Meanwhile, our new editor-in-chief, Tommy Evans, as well as Matt Murray, the executive editor of The Washington Post,

1:01:36 And the New York Times corporately have released strong statements saying that this goes against First Amendment principles. There's something called prior restraint, that is that the government preventing the press or broadcasters from reporting the news before it's actually reported. That was taken more than 50 years ago to the Supreme Court, which upheld the idea that the government cannot do that in the Pentagon, a Papers case involving the Nixon administration. I mean, this makes it harder for us- Hold on a second. Hold on. This is a conflation of prior restraint means you can't stop the paper from printing a story that's ready to go to the press. It's got nothing to do with walking into offices, knocking on doors and then shooting the shit with some guy who's bored stiff at his desk. I mean, come on. By the way, there is most definitely a Uganda Times. Yeah, it's just the Times everywhere. Yeah.

1:02:27 the news before it's actually reported. That was taken more than 50 years ago to the Supreme Court, which upheld the idea that the government cannot do that in the Pentagon, a Papers case involving the Nixon administration. I mean, this makes it harder for us, the reporters who cover Washington, to do our jobs. David, why do you think people who read the news, who listen to the news, who watch the news, or just see it scroll by on their social media feed should care about this development? Well, reporters are trying to give the American people an accurate understanding of what our military is doing, how our military are treated, and what's being done with their taxpayer dollars. Take the attacks by the Trump administration and Defense Department against what they've characterized as Venezuelan drug boats.

1:03:10 There's been some question about that and there have been some lawmakers in Capitol Hill, both parties, who've raised questions about the legality of that. Clearly, Hegseth would like to control what kind of information gets out about that now contentious things. The idea of the strikes on nuclear sites in Iran, the military told us they were incredibly successful. In subsequent days and weeks, we heard maybe not so much. Again, the question is, what kinds of information is the American people getting? I don't think the Pentagon gets to decide what we learn about the Pentagon. Wait a minute. So in other words, the shooting of the drug boats, for example, to understand how that works, we have to have a guy roaming the halls in the Pentagon just going randomly from door to door. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I need freedom of the press. The Uganda Times is owned by the government of Uganda.

1:04:05 I'm glad you took a deep dive into the Uganda Times for some unknown reason out of the blue in the middle of the show. Well it's interesting that 26% is owned by the Ministry of State for Finance, 26% owned by the Ministry of Finance, Planning and Economic Development, 19% the National Social Security Fund. They have it split up. Everyone gets to put their two bits in. Yes, yes. That's probably the way to go. Yeah, that's your state media. For a state run. We don't have that here. Not yet. Not yet. The New York Times is like owned by Saudis and Mexicans. I mean, come on. Yeah, exactly. By the way, the Netherlands is on fire. People have finally had it.

1:04:55 With the yeah sure with it. Well, it's interesting with the asylum seekers. You got clips. It's all in Dutch So no, there's a lot of fireworks and yelling and fighting and setting stuff on fire But what's interesting is the main protesters who went to the Hague where the government is? This is big open open field called Molly felt and And that's where you do your demonstration. You know, that's the place to go. So you get thousands and thousands of people. The majority of them who are all dressed in black with their skull masks, football supporters of different teams, sometimes even rivals, they banded together to say that they are sick of it. They've had enough. They fought the cops. They set stuff on fire. It's kicking off.

1:05:51 I will see. Well, yes, I mean, take my bike, exactly. Take my bike? Where's my bike, man? I forgot, yes. I gotta... That's my theme. You picked it up, you stole it. I did not! It's my theme. We won't... Where's my bike has always been my theme. Oh, people go back and catch some clips of me bitching about the bikes. Okay. All right. I'll give it to you. Hey, just a little aside here. Yeah? I think you'll be interested in this. This is right up your alley. Okay. We're going to the moon. As early as next spring, NASA hopes to send astronauts back to the moon. Oh, we can't wait for this! To orbit the moon at least.

1:06:41 Okay, hold on a second before we play these clips. The more of these that come out, the more I'm starting to take your side on the original. Only I'm now wondering, you had this thing you used to do to soft pedal, you were like, oh, we never went to the moon, which is not an unusual commentary. We had a famous pharmacist in the area that was a big advocate of this. But I think your original thesis was we never went to the moon, but we went later. to the later because they went seven times or someone looked that up and get some clips I think I think that could be documented and and I would be I'm beginning to think that we maybe never went we didn't ever we didn't you not even for the later no the whole thing even Elon Musk even Elon Musk says that he would have to refuel they don't

1:07:36 The whole thing is a big, massive hoax. And now even the scientists at NASA, who are so young they don't remember. Okay, here's what bothers me, besides losing the tapes and all the rest of it, but here's what bothers me about these two clips that I have. is why are we doing what they're going to describe? What do we need any of this for the way they're describing it? Listen to this clip. As early as next spring, NASA hopes to send astronauts back to the moon, to orbit the moon at least, the next step in a long plan to return to lunar landings and eventually to set foot on Mars.

1:08:12 Commander Reid Wiseman and the rest of the crew of Artemis 2 have been training for years. When we leave planet Earth, we're zero miles an hour, and then when we come back in the atmosphere, we're doing 39 times the speed of sound. We profiled the Artemis 2 astronauts on the show about a year ago, but on a mission like theirs, the people in space are just one part of a massive operation. In fact, right now NASA is recruiting volunteers here on Earth to help track the spacecraft as it makes its way to the moon and back. Oh wait, bring in some ham radio operators! Volunteers like Scott Chapman helped NASA keep tabs on the automated uncrewed Artemis 1 mission in 2022. After the spacecraft was no longer in sight,

1:08:51 I assembled all those numbers into the format NASA asked for and uploaded it to their computer. Chapman is an IT specialist in Virginia, and he mainly helps small businesses with computer issues. But briefly in 2022, he got to moonlight as a spacecraft tracker. The spacecraft is transmitting at a fixed frequency. However, when a transmitter and receiver are moving in relation to each other, either getting farther apart or coming closer together, the received frequency changes. Coming towards you, the frequency seems to be getting higher and then as it goes away from you, the frequency of what you hear gets lower as it goes past you.

1:09:36 and radio signals do the exact same thing. Chapman is widely known in the amateur radio community and over the radio waves he goes by his FCC issued handle K4KDR. Much in the way- BAH! He's not even an extra loser. Widely known in the amateur radio community and over the radio waves he goes by his FCC issued handle K4KDR. Much in the way of local television might be designated as whatever the- Would you call that a handle? No, that's his call sign. Yeah, it's not a handle. It's like, oh, we have our local NBC station here and their handle is, you know, KNTV. It's not a handle. I'm looking him up right now.

1:10:22 Yeah, I look him up. Yeah, I'm looking him up in QRZ. That's where I'm looking him up. A call sign of that local station is in the amateur radio hobby. That is essentially your name on the radio. With his antenna up, he learned NASA was looking for operators to assist in navigating Artemis 1. He wanted it. Now, this confused me a little bit. He says the further away you get, the frequency changes? No, no. As you... No. It's like the train coming and going past you, you know, past you. As you're accelerating away... Sound, yes. No, the frequency would... No, it's the same as sound and, you know, sound's a frequency. So as you're going away, the frequency that the signal would be transmitting would be changing, it would be lengthening.

1:11:16 And as it's coming towards you, it would be compressing. And so you're gonna have these different, the frequency's gonna alter just enough that you need a ham in the middle of nowhere to do this, because we couldn't do it in 1969. I don't know how they got the signals back and forth. Well, yeah, but the shift is minute. I mean, that's like sideway. I would think it would be fairly small. Yeah. Is that the Doppler effect? Because you're not doing a million miles an hour. No, it's very minute, very, very minimal. Because, you know, we bounce signals off the ionosphere and this, you know, yeah, you tune it a little bit. We're talking

1:11:53 Minor kilohertz variate let me listen that last bit again from this nerd with with his baseball cap on backwards the spacecraft is transmitting at a fixed frequency However, when a transmitter and receiver are moving in relation to each other, either getting farther apart or coming closer together, the received frequency changes. Coming towards you, the frequency seems to be getting higher and then as it goes away from you, the frequency of what you hear gets lower as it goes past you.

1:12:29 and radio signals do the exact same thing. Chapman is widely known in the amateur radio community and over the radio waves he goes by his FCC issued handle K4KDR. Much in the way of local television might be designated as whatever the call sign of that local station is. in the amateur radio hobby that is essentially your name on the radio. With his antenna up, he learned NASA was looking for operators to assist in navigating Artemis 1. He wanted in. Brother. He had NASA's. Your point is well made. It's like what do you have a twenty four point six billion dollar budget, but we got to get ham radio guys. OK, sure.

1:13:13 I'm logging into my QRZ account to get this guy's full details. Yeah, go do it. I thought you'd have it by now. So while you're doing that, let's play part two. I forgot my credentials, but I have it in my password manager. At first glance, it seems overwhelming. Certainly a person living in the world. Wait, wait, hold on. It was overwhelming, but it wasn't overwhelming in 1969? But it's overwhelming today? Why are you taking my gig, man? It's like all of a sudden you're on my tour. Well I'm just annoyed by these sorts of reports and how everybody's breathless about it as though, oh, okay, that makes sense. It doesn't make sense at all. At first glance, it seems overwhelming. Certainly a person living

1:14:00 in a rural area of Virginia isn't going to be capable of monitoring the signals and reporting the data that they are looking for. But I thought to myself, wouldn't it be nice if this project had one participant who had a very small system? So I went ahead and replied, and much to my surprise was selected for the program. Chapman's job, tracking the signals beamed down from the automated spacecraft as it orbited the Earth. As a hobbyist, he had the tools good enough for NASA. I did have a one meter dish, which you can hold in your hands, and that was mounted on a rotator on my roof.

1:14:39 So in the eyes of the people managing that program, they determined that I was maybe capable of receiving the signal and ultimately I did. Applications to help track the next mission, one filled with astronauts traveling further from Earth than any human has in 50 years, are due in late October. This is a bunch of nonsense. They do this to, I think, to show that they're relevant because, you know, they've got citizens who are interested in this. This guy's logbook isn't even on QRZ. He's not a real ham. Let me see. Well, I'm sure he's a real ham. No, but I mean, you've got to be uploading your logbook, man. Oh, you mean he's not like a nutball ham? Yeah, exactly. So this program I'm looking at, volunteers worldwide to track lunar journey of NASA's Artemis 1 mission.

1:15:33 Look, I mean, this guy... Oh, I love... I love communicating with the International Space Station. Oh, I... Wait, wait. I've got a thesis. All right. Fake. They're gonna have a bunch of these hams. There's gonna be so many of them that they can't... They won't have to worry about people saying that the whole thing was hoaxed. No, how about this? All you need is some satellite that sends down a signal. phase shift that you know do a little frequency shift and then say hello I am Artemis one BBB BBB maybe it's just to prove that it's real it's kind of the same thing you're saying I believe yours is a slightly better hmm yeah yeah same thing same basic thesis I mean just to get everyone involved says you know look at all these people this confirms hey error hey error

1:16:34 What frequency is Artemis 1 transmitting on? So. What? What? What? What frequency is Artemis 1 transmitting on? Artemis 1 transmitted its main signals on the X-band, around 8 GHz for uplink and 7.2 for downlink. NASA's go-to for deep space chatter. But if you're hunting amateurs, check the harmonics near 2 GHz. Folks like Scott Tilley picked those up easy from their backyards. Oh, well, it's something NASA couldn't do. Oh, we need help. You're right. It's a hoax. They're hoaxing by getting all these amateurs to say, yeah, I received the signal, man. You know, I also... This is a possibility that I have to accept.

1:17:25 I also once, you know, I tracked the International Space Station, stood out on the back deck when we're still in Austin like an idiot, pointing a Yagi antenna at the sky and I got a message back from the International Space Station. It could have been from Elon Musk's Starlink for all I know. I couldn't see it. You don't know if it's really Artemis 1. Could be anything in low orbit. And so he has a one... What do you have? A one mega... what dish did he have? One meter. One meter disk. Dish. Small. Yeah. Two gigahertz. Oh, alright. Sounds hoaxy to me. This will continue this saga. I like it. I like it. And by the way, everyone's complaining like, well, I don't like the money we send to Israel because, you know, we can't eat at home. Well, stop spending three times as much on this dumb stuff. Who cares? It's dusty.

1:18:27 We know that. What we're talking about is you just mentioned Israel. I do have a Gaza report and this is NPR's. NPR has changed its voices, it's got new people. And now they have, they actually, I'm pretty sure this is Dracula. Reporting from Gaza, take a listen. Israeli airstrikes across Gaza City continue as the Israeli military forces residents out of the area home to about 1 million people. Gaza health officials say at least 34 Palestinians were killed yesterday from airstrikes. And Piras Anas Babas reports, the situation is deteriorating rapidly for civilians unable to get out of Gaza City with many families running out of water. In the heart of Gaza City, thirst is now spreading faster than the fear of bombs. The municipality says 75% of central water wells have been destroyed or damaged by Israel, leaving hundreds of thousands with little or no access to clean water.

1:19:23 Families still trapped north of the city have been unable to evacuate or forced to walk as far as 15 miles to reach the south. Evacuating is expensive, as much as $6,000 to secure a vehicle out and a tent to stay. Some have even returned home after failing to find a safe place in the southern Gaza. That is what Al-Jamalah family did after failing to find safety, they returned to their home early Saturday. I want to suck your blood! I was waiting for a good one. Well, I think NPR blew it because what an opportunity they've missed. They've missed a massive opportunity to slam President Trump and his entire extended family. Global News in Canada had it. Beselel Smotrich had just been asked what he thought should happen in Gaza.

1:20:10 The controversial far-right minister answered that the first phase of urban renewal in the Strip was done, the demolition, and that the time to build was coming. Smotrych says to listen to him, there's a plan on President Trump's desk that will turn what's happening into a real estate bonanza. I'm not kidding, he says. it pays off. Now, the Washington Post earlier this month reported the Trump administration is considering a plan to run Gaza for a decade as a trusteeship. Palestinians living in the enclave would be moved out, at least temporarily, while billions would be poured in to develop the territory as a tourism resort and high-tech manufacturing hub. Residential areas would be built up inland, away from the coast.

1:20:56 It was Trump's son-in-law who first floated the idea of developing Gaza, saying last year its waterfront property could be very valuable. That idea seemed to stick in the mind of Donald Trump when he returned to the White House. I don't want to be cute. I don't want to be a wise guy, but the Riviera of the Middle East, this could be something that could be so bad. This could be so magnificent. Well, the only person who appears to be speaking publicly about the plan is Smotrich, the ultranationalist leader of Israel's religious Zionist party. A reported Washington plan for Gaza is being criticized by observers and legal experts. Many say any displacement of Palestinians out of the enclave would be coercive at best and violate international law. Mottrich, on the other hand, appears to be saying it doesn't go far enough, that Israel deserves a part of the land in Gaza in return for the money it's spent on the war.

1:21:54 Man, what an opportunity NPR missed. They got sound bites and everything. By the way, you know who's gonna pay for this? This Riviera? The Arabs. They're all in on it. Saudi Arabia, Qatar. They're like, oh yeah, this is good. They are. They're being very coy about it. Of course. As one of our boots on the ground said, even the attack in Qatar, the Qatar is like, well, It's not about sovereignty, but just don't hit any civilians. That's not okay. No one likes Hamas elected by the people of so-called Palestine in 1988 with their kill all Jews. It's really amazing. The lack of historical knowledge of people everywhere is just flabbergasting. Who really occupied those territories? Syria, Jordan, and Egypt. Those guys get away scot-free. It's amazing.

1:23:00 And I'm pretty sure the Palestinians will be sent to Syria. That's why President Trump made nice with the terrorists over there. Yeah, you take him. Because Egypt doesn't want him. That's a possibility. Egypt doesn't want him. Jordan doesn't want him. They don't. No, Jordan gave up. I mean, the West Bank, which is actually east, is actually the West Bank of Jordan. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. They fought a war over that. Anyway, meanwhile, more importantly, back home, didn't get as much play as it should have, but the president, wow, he came out with a couple of executive orders regarding immigration. Very interesting. The first one is, while he was on his way back from the UK, he came up with an immediate, you know,

1:24:02 executive order to be implemented immediately regarding H-1B visas. One of the most abused... Oh, this is great. It gets really good, huh? One of the most abused visa systems in our current immigration system has been the H-1B non-immigrant visa program. This is supposed to allow highly skilled laborers who work in fields that Americans don't work in to come into the United States of America. What this proclamation will do is raise the fee that companies pay to sponsor H-1B applicants to $100,000. This will ensure that the people they're bringing in are actually very highly skilled and that they're not replaceable by American workers. So it'll protect American workers but ensure that companies have a pathway to hire truly extraordinary people and bring them to the United States to work. We need workers. We need workers. We need great workers.

1:24:55 This pretty much ensures that that's what's going to happen. I think, Sean, you agree with that? Well, they're $100,000 per year. So the whole idea is no more will these big tech companies or other big companies train foreign workers. They have to pay the government $100,000, then they have to pay the employee. So it's just not economic. If you're going to train somebody, you're going to train one of the recent graduates from one of the great universities across our land, train Americans, stop bringing in people to take our jobs. That's the policy here. $100,000 a year for H-1B visas and all of the big companies are on board. We've spoken to them about the gold card. They love it. They really love it. They need it.

1:25:43 Now that's that part of the end. Are you sure they love it? Are you sure that the big tech companies love it because the Indians abroad in India, they sure don't love it. It's the latest effort by the Trump administration to curb or raise more money from legal immigration. Companies will now have to pay an annual $100,000 fee on H-1B visa application. Annual? I don't know if it was annual. They have to pay a hundred thousand. Yeah, no, it's annual. It has to be renewed. A move that deals a major blow to the US tech industry, which relies heavily on workers from India and China. It is a loss for America, not India. Those who go abroad and can't pay that much money for the visa will open their offices here. And when they work in India, which is already making economic progress,

1:26:29 It will contribute to that. So I think this hike is beneficial for us. The Indian government says the plan is likely to have humanitarian consequences, particularly the disruption caused to families. President Donald Trump's threat to crack down on H-1B visas has become a major flashpoint with the tech industry, which relies on H-1B visa holders more than any other sector. of the US economy. Supporters of the program, including Tesla CEO Elon Musk, say it brings in highly skilled workers essential to filling in talent gaps and keeping firms competitive. The Trump administration, on the other hand, says hiking the fee will mean more opportunities for American workers. The country would rather not have to pay $100,000. But

1:27:10 They'd rather, how do you do that? You hire Americans. So there's an incentive to hire an American. But there may be instances where it's better off doing it through expertise or whatever it may be. The new fee is going into effect Sunday. It will not be applied to existing holders of valid visas re-entering the country. From what I hear, there's entire groups online who are making airline reservations. and that they don't intend to take, but keeping them up until the last minute and then canceling so that these, so they can't come back in before the deadline and sneak into the country. It's probably our own spooks doing it. Well, talking about it, Brock brings up a point which I want to read a letter. A letter? Not an email, but a letter. I'm sorry. I print mine out so it's like a letter. All right.

1:28:05 regarding Americans getting these jobs and something we discussed this from producer Trevor. ITM I wanted to elaborate on the other producer who said zoomers can't use a tape measure. As 26 year old carpenter and tradesman I see this all the time with new hires. As to what they don't understand, for example, you ask them to cut a piece of lumber at say 120, I'm sorry, 127 and 5 16ths. First of all, they ask, how do I find out how long it is?

1:28:45 And then once you tell them to use this thing, also known as a tape measure, they then have absolutely no clue what a sixteenth is or how to read the tape. So you explain that there's 16 marks on the tape measure between each inch and count each mark as one sixteenth. Then you go and say something like cut that at 65 and 3 8ths And they have no idea what an eighth is and it's easy an entire day an entire day worth of explaining how to use a tape measure

1:29:29 Well, you're not going to get many engineers at the highest level of H-1B dumb if you can't even do that. Well, maybe everyone will stop dumbing down our children and consider changing... The whole Department of Education, all of this started during, was it Reagan? Carter. Carter. I mean all of this was a bad idea. We were turning our neurons. It started with Carter, Reagan tried to get rid of it, he failed. And it just got worse and worse and worse. So that was only half of the announcement. The big announcement is the one we've been waiting for.

1:30:11 The Gold Card. two million dollars by that corporation and that will give them access to expedited visa treatment as part of this new gold card program. One of the biggest problems we have is that people, they go to the best schools and they do great and they get great marks and then they're thrown out of the country. You're not allowed to stay. This way the corporation will be able to, sort of like a signing bonus for baseball, the corporation will be able to

1:29:29 Well, you're not going to get many engineers at the highest level of H-1B dumb if you can't even do that. Well, maybe everyone will stop dumbing down our children and consider changing... The whole Department of Education, all of this started during, was it Reagan? Carter. Carter. I mean all of this was a bad idea. We were turning our neurons. It started with Carter, Reagan tried to get rid of it, he failed. And it just got worse and worse and worse. So that was only half of the announcement. The big announcement is the one we've been waiting for.

1:30:11 The Gold Card. two million dollars by that corporation and that will give them access to expedited visa treatment as part of this new gold card program. One of the biggest problems we have is that people, they go to the best schools and they do great and they get great marks and then they're thrown out of the country. You're not allowed to stay. This way the corporation will be able to, sort of like a signing bonus for baseball, the corporation will be able to

1:30:55 get them to stay in the country and I think it's going to be tremendously successful. Howard, would you say a few words about that? Sure. So historically, the employment-based green card program led in 281,000 people a year and those people on average earned $66,000 a year on average and they were five times more likely to go on assistance programs of the government. So we were taking in the bottom quartile. Below the average American, it was illogical. The only country in the world that was taking in the bottom quartile. So what

1:31:38 What we are doing now is we are going to stop doing that. We're going to only take extraordinary people at the very top, instead of people trying to take the jobs from Americans. They're going to create businesses and create jobs for Americans. And this program will raise more than $100 billion for the Treasury of the United States, which we'll use for cutting taxes and paying down debt. Now, OK, hold one second. Yeah. So about a year ago or not. No, I'm sorry. Early in the Trump administration had to be just what, five months ago. Yeah. He brought up this gold card idea. And my understanding then was the gold card cost five million dollars and guaranteed you citizenship. No. What happened to that? Well, that's the platinum card.

1:32:30 You see they didn't talk about that. Trumpcard.gov. The Trump gold card is here. Unlock life in America. So you get exclusive... The website is just like a credit card company. It's great. Exclusive privileges. Now, the Trump gold... Low interest. Well, yes. Listen to this. The Trump gold card for a processing fee After DHS vetting, a $1 million contribution receive U.S. residency in record time with the Trump Gold Card. But then you have the Trump Platinum Card. Listen to this. Sign up now and secure your place on the waiting list for the Trump Platinum Card. So I guess it's coming that it wasn't in the executive order. For a processing fee and after DHS vetting, a $5 million contribution

1:33:24 You will have the ability to spend up to 270 days in the United States, here comes, without being subject to US taxes on non-US tax income. This is this! Come on in people! All you rich British people! You lambies come on in! That's a very interesting twist. That is an interesting twist to get rich people who are sick of what's going on in Europe especially. Yep. And maybe even some Chinese. And have all your money sent to America and no income tax. That's dynamite. That's a good idea. Yeah. You got to see this website. It's the president with an eagle. What's that? Well, okay. What is it? Trumpcard.gov. You're gonna laugh.

1:34:19 I'm sure this guy is amazing. Trump card. He's so good. 45th and 47th president of the United States. A little American flag there. Got a little presidential suit. He's on the card. Of course he is. With the eagle. It's so good. Yeah. Oh my god. And do you know how many Brits and Dutch and French all email me? And they got a form you can fill out right there on the page. Oh yeah, just sign up now, no obligation. Yes. I know, it's perfect. It's perfect.

1:34:59 This is so American. Oh, there's also a gold card and a corporate gold card. The corporate gold card is even funnier. I mean, I wonder if you can get miles with it. Ooh, you go further down, there's an animated eagle. Oh, where's the animated eagle? It's right at the bottom. It says, submit your application, and the eagle turns its head. Oh, he does. Someone put some work into this one. Yeah, this is not a slouch of a site. Oh, designed in DC by the National Design Studio. Oh, well, good job, everybody. This is too funny. It's the most American thing I've ever seen. Wow! Unlock life in America. Yeah, there are so many, you know, we should also have a green card, you know, like the green, well, no, I guess you can't call it the green card. You know, we should, the, what, we need a level for people with like only 100,000.

1:35:54 Diners. The Diners Club card. Trump diners card. Yes, exactly. I don't know. I just get a kick out of it. It's just funny to me. It's just funny. I'm sure somebody finds it offensive. Well, probably offensive that we're talking about. In that same sesh, Oval Sesh. The what? The Oval Sesh. Session. It's short for session. Sesh. In that same Oval Sesh, Sesh. Sesh, yes. Sesh. Session. Sesh. You call it a sesh? So you're gonna be a stickler about freedom of speech but you're gonna use terms like sesh. Yes. And sus. I'm gonna use all these terms. Sus? Sus. Yeah, you don't know sus. Where you been, man? Sus used to be used to sus something out. No, that's double S. Sus, S-U-S is suspect. Suspicious. Sus. Wow.

1:36:48 Here's what the president said about former President Biden. Joe Biden didn't know what he was doing. He had a man that didn't know what he was doing. We had a man, by the way, that... didn't approve. If you take a look at what's happening in Congress, we had a man that signed everything with almost everything with an auto pen. And he didn't tell the people from the auto pen whoever was using these. But one man that used it predominantly said that Biden only spoke to him twice and it was only about the weather. So those pardons that he gave her, illegal, he gave illegal pardons. And that includes a congressman that destroyed and deleted all the information from J6. They deleted everything because it turned out that they were wrong. It turned out that I offered 10,000 National Guard or soldiers, whatever they wanted, to

1:37:43 And you would have had a problem. And they turned it down. Nancy Pelosi turned it down. And the mayor of Washington, D.C. turned it down. They deleted everything and they destroyed it, illegally destroyed it. And Biden gave them a pardon. And Biden gave a lot of other people pardons that, frankly, would be in jail if it wasn't for those pardons. But those pardons now are illegal. Illegal! They're gonna go after that? Yeah, they're gonna try. I don't know how far they're gonna get. Well, the big thing, which I'm sure you heard, was... Let me see... It was the president's truth. His truth to Pam Bondi. I thought I had a clip of that. Where he basically went on Truth Social and posted a truth.

1:38:35 and said, Pam Bondi, what are you doing, Pom Bandi? You gotta arrest these people! Where is it? I guess I thought I clipped that. Well, nobody's arresting anybody, we already know that. Well, I think the way I read it was President Trump is on board with getting her out. That's how I read it. After the Miller Pod fiasco, I think she's on the way out. Because it was... Well, she hasn't done anything. No. And it does appear as though she's just a dud. And you're right, see, she sashays when she walks, which is a bit somewhat annoying to be honest about it. Let me read this to you. Let me see. I have it here somewhere.

1:39:25 It was, it was, he didn't end it with thank you for your attention to this important matter which meant he was really pissed. Yeah, that would be true, yeah. Everyone has the headline but why don't they just post a picture of it? Oh my goodness. This is the problem we have. It really is. Oh, he deleted the post apparently. Okay, well that... Oh, he did? Well, let me see. Just to make it... That's unusual for him. Yes, to make it more sus. By the way, we have some other suggestions from the troll room. The coal card. Amazon offers only employee... Please. The coal card, the brown card, the algae card, the jelly of the month card. There you go. Jelly of the month. American jelly of the month. Let's see.

1:40:22 This was, there was a, the president was at the, where was he at? The Cornerstone Institute. Have you heard of the Cornerstone Institute? No, I've never heard of them. Well, it was a big gala. With gays? Yeah, the agays, of course. Let me see, the Cornerstone Institute, American Cornerstone Institute. Who are these people? Oh, Ben Carson is on the cover here. They got American Cornerstone Institute. What do these guys do? Well, so they had a gala. Yes, probably with. And the president spoke there in tuxedo, no less. Then he said something pretty interesting. Marty McCary is fantastic. He's done amazing.

1:41:10 He's done great. Thank you. He's done great. He's really amazing. And they're really working on it with Bobby. They're working on it. Bobby's so non-controversial. I wish we could get somebody who's a little bit more exciting in there. But they're doing something. And I think we have, frankly, that's a big announcement. I think we have a bigger announcement coming. I hope on Monday, Marty, it's enough. We have to announce. We have to make the announcement. It's so big. We can't let people keep doing this. I don't want to wait any longer. We don't need anything more. And if it's wrong, it's not going to be wrong. But if it is wrong, it's fine that we have to do it. Because we're going to have an announcement on autism on Monday. Got to be Monday. I don't want to do it Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And I think it's going to be a very important announcement. I think it's going to be one of the most important things that we will do.

1:42:08 Because what's happened with autism, do you know that if you go back 15 years, 15 years, maybe a little bit longer, it was 1 in 10,000 children had autism. Bobby told me, it's hard to believe that this is correct, that as of recently, it was 1 in 10 boys. Big announcement, not Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Monday. It's going to be Monday. American Cornerstone Institute is Ben Carson's outfit. Dr. Ben Carson. Yeah, he's very role. He's respected. Yeah, he is. I think he's getting publicity, but he's respected. Yeah, I think he's getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom from the president. Well, since you brought up autism, I do have a series of Vax clips.

1:42:58 Vaxmania, this was played out because they're all, everyone's, oh, they're gonna do this, they're gonna do that. They don't do anything, of course. This is typical. It's like a James Comer congressional committee. They're gonna, oh, they're gonna put the piece, they got the, they're putting the dots together, they're gonna get Biden, the Biden kid, you know, they're gonna find the banks, they're gonna find every this and that, and then nothing comes of it. So let's listen to the, so they're all bent out of shape about Kennedy's new Vax panel and they haven't changed anything, but here we go. Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promised to change the country's vaccine policies and during contentious meetings in Atlanta this week, vaccine advisors for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began to do just that.

1:43:42 The panel was handpicked by Kennedy. NPR Health correspondent Ping Wong was at their two-day meeting and joins us now. Hi, Ping. Hey, Scott. Hey, Scott. What kind of changes did the advisors make? So they voted to narrow the recommendation on the COVID booster shot, and they also made a change in the childhood vaccine schedule of recommending against a measles and chicken pox combo shot for young children. And while these changes weren't as drastic as some medical and public health experts had feared... Hold on, stop. Stop the clip. So that's it? By the way, you're going to hear a bunch of clips here where they're moaning and groaning and moaning and groaning about these massive changes. One, the COVID shot. They kind of changed the way they're looking at it. Two, they're going to split off the chicken pox shot.

1:44:29 But you still gotta get all these shots. That's it, by the way. I'm just gonna tell you in advance. That's the big horrible news. Well, to be fair to NPR, we also were able to fill about 45 minutes talking about Florida ounces, so... You know. a recommendation on the COVID booster shot, and they also made a change in the childhood vaccine schedule of recommending against a measles and chicken pox combo shot for young children. And while these changes weren't as drastic as some medical and public health experts had feared, this meeting did show that these members, who Kennedy chose after firing the entire panel back in June, is starting to figure out how this works, and they're starting off on an ambitious agenda backed by Kennedy, who has a history of being very critical of vaccines.

1:45:14 Let's just make this news you can use for a moment. I'm sure a lot of people listening are wondering, can I? Let's make this news you can use. I think we should use that. That's a great slogan, John. No agenda news you can use. They're starting off on an ambitious agenda backed by Kennedy who has a history of being very critical of vaccines. Wait, stop again. This ambitious agenda is what I just said. Yeah, separating the vaccines. Changing the way we look at COVID vaccines and we're gonna split off one of the vaccines for two vaccines. Very ambitious. It's very ambitious. very ambitious at how this works and they're starting off on an ambitious agenda backed by kennedy who has a history of being very critical of vaccines let's just make this news you can use for a moment i'm sure a lot of people listening are wondering can i go into a pharmacy a cbs whatever and get a vaccine shot like i have the last few years can i go into a pharmacy a cbs whatever and get a vaccine shot like i have the last few years the answer is

1:46:12 So in some states, yes, and in other states, it's not clear. And that's because the group has recommended the vaccine to everybody under something called shared clinical decision making, which means that patients are supposed to talk to a medical provider about risks and benefits before they get one. But at this point, billions of COVID shots have been given out. So this kind of counseling would add a new hurdle. So wait a minute. So they're going to tell you that the shot is maybe dangerous or it can do this and that and the other thing, and that's bad. But what they've already given it look Adam. Yeah, Adam Adam Adam. Yes, John. You never call me Adam This must be serious. They've given out a billion shots. Yeah, so what's what's the big deal? Just keep giving shots out. What what could possibly? Be wrong with that that idea just you've given a billion out. Well, I'm sure that Scott asked that very question in clip number two. Oh

1:47:07 Wrong. Also, the panel wanted input on what goes into that counseling. They voted to add more discussion about theoretical, theoretical, theoretical, theoretical risks to the vaccine information sheet. And Ratzaf Lavi, the panel member who led that discussion, focused on things he said were unknown. Do we know all the answers? No. Did we hear satisfactory explanations from the companies and the FDA? Absolutely no. Okay, one thing about that clip which I emphasize there. Yes, I heard it. Theoretical. They're gonna give you the theoretical risks. No, these aren't theoretical risks. No, that's a lie. These are actual risks. It's a total lie. These are documented

1:47:49 contraindications and side effects that have been, they don't make them up. I mean if it was anal leakage you wouldn't make that up. You wouldn't put it in. It's not a theoretical risk. She says, she uses a propagandistic term, theoretical risk. It's not theoretical. Take away their license. Oh, you know, now think about it. You could do that with NPR stations. I'm going to start to complain. Yes, write a letter. So that information sheet for consumers could go from one that summarizes the most important documented side effects of the COVID vaccine, things like fevers, body aches, a rare risk, a rare risk, a rare risk of heart problems for young men, to one that includes a lot of speculation, speculation, speculation, which could confuse people and dissuade them from getting vaccinated.

1:48:40 Okay, so that's clearly the headline here, but I'm wondering what else was on the table. Hold on a second. What is her name again? I need to look her up now. What is her name? Oh, she, they said it at the very beginning. Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has promised to change the country's vaccine policies and during contentious meetings in Atlanta this week, vaccine advisors for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began to do... Picked by Kennedy. NPR Health correspondent Ping Wong was... Ping Wong! Penguin. How do I spell that? Ping Wong. Ping Wong. Ping White, Ping Wong. I'm not, we're racist. I can't believe this. No, you are. You are, not me. Okay, it's Pien Hong. P-I-E-N-H-O-N-G.

1:49:23 H-U-A-N-G, ping-hong, ping-hong. Okay, I'll look her up while we play clip number three. So that information sheet for consumers could go from one that summarizes the most important documented side effects of the COVID vaccine, things like fevers, body aches, a rare risk, a rare risk, a rare risk of heart problems for young men to one that includes a lot of speculation, speculation, speculation, which could confuse people and dissuade them from getting vaccinated. Okay, so that's clearly the headline here, but I'm wondering what else was on the table. So do you think Pen Wong is a doctor or has some expertise in the medical field? Wouldn't that—she is the correspondent here for, would you not think? I'm guessing she's a drug salesman. Let's see.

1:50:06 She joined NPR in 2019 as the newsroom's first Reflect America fellow, working with shows, desks, and podcasts to bring more diverse voices to air and online. She's a D.I. hire. Her reporting with NPR's visuals team on tracking COVID-19 data, won her an Edward R. Murrow award. Yeah, we haven't won that. Her... not yet. Wong's experiences span categories and continents. Here we go. She was the executive producer of Data Made to Matter, a podcast. Whoa, there's an Edward R. Murrow award to her.

1:50:49 Topic right there. Datamata. That's a podcast from the MIT Sloan School of Management and... Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh! And she has taught... What do you think she has taught at Northeastern University? Communications. Podcasting. What? Yes. She's taught... There's a class in podcasting at Northeastern? Apparently, she has taught podcasting at Northeastern University. How come I never get these gigs? How come you weren't contacted by her for some syllabus information? Podcasting course, Northwest, I gotta find it. Northeastern. Northeastern? Oh, well, what's Northeastern University? Well, I can't wait to see this. Do they have a... It's a minor. It's a minor. But...

1:51:40 Yes, it's a so you can get a minor in podcasting. You can actually get a degree. Yes Wow, I should get an honorary degree I'll do the the commencement speech in an era of profound disruption for legacy media Podcasting has emerged as one of the most durable and successful features of the new media and information ecosystem listeners listenership continues to rise with devoted audiences for long-form audio storytelling like she's doing storytelling right here and Narrative news, true crime, personality driven interview shows, etc. This minor is for students from a variety of disciplines interested in learning interviewing, performance, research and production skills required to create high quality non-fiction audio programs in a variety of formats. I'm betting dollars, ten bucks on the line with anybody that she credits Adam Carolla with inventing podcasting.

1:52:40 Uh, yes. You only need a 2.0 grade average to get in. It's typical. Well, that would be normal for podcasters. For podcasters, yeah. Podcast. Begat. Okay. All right, clip four. So there was a proposal to recommend that states require prescriptions for COVID vaccines, which would make them much harder for patients to get. And after a charged discussion on it, it was defeated. And the panel also tabled a proposal to change the hepatitis B vaccine schedule for babies. Now, some members said that the current policy, which recommends a shot right after birth,

1:53:16 is working fine and they saw no reason to change it. Now there was some confusion and it did seem at times that members didn't seem to fully understand how their votes would affect policies and coverage. To that point, what is the impact of these votes? What do they affect? This group's recommendations form the basis for which vaccines are covered by health insurance or subsidized through federal programs. And an example of how that works is to look at the other vote that they did take on the MMRV vaccine. That's a combination shot for measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox. And this vaccine comes with a slightly higher risk of causing fevers that can lead to seizures in children under four. Kids generally recover from them pretty quickly. What? Wait a minute. So a kid under four gets this stupid shot and they have seizures? Yeah. But they recover. They tend to recover rather quickly. I don't want my kid having seizures. Theoretical. Theoretical seizures, not actual seizures, just theoretical. That's unbelievable.

1:54:17 It's completely believable. So we finish off. I think we finish off here. They can also get the same protection from getting the MMR and the chicken pox shot separately. So that's how most kids get it. But up to 15% of parents asked for the combo shot. And here's why, according to pediatrician Cody Meissner, who's the only member who served on this panel before. Some parents don't want to administer. Wait a minute. I thought they kicked everybody off. This guy has served on it before. That's what they said. They kicked everybody off, put a new group in, but this guy was there before. How does that work? Some parents don't want to administer two doses of a vaccine if they can receive one and get the same degree of coverage. Why are we taking away that, that option? This is coverage access, coverage access.

1:55:08 We already know the insurance company said they're going to cover the COVID vaccine. We had that on the last show. Yeah. So this is just more of the same. CBS had a report about this, which I have queued up for us. There was pushback during today's meeting of the CDC's Vaccine Advisory Committee as the panel debated a new recommendation for the combined MMRV shot. But if a parent wants to get a single dose, Why are we taking away that that's the same guy same clip isn't that amazing? Yeah, a single dose Why are we taking away that that option? The proposal children under four should get one shot for measles mumps and rubella and then a separate one for varicella better known as chickenpox. This recommendation is going to create more confusion among the public. Earlier this year I'm confused

1:56:05 It's not that hard. Separate one for Varicella, better known as chickenpox. This recommendation is going to create more confusion among the public. Earlier this year, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. fired all the panel members and picked their replacements, some who share his vaccine skepticism. Thursday, the committee chairman defended the new group. You are falsely being called anti-vaxxers, but your stance is not only pro-children, but also pro-science. pro-public health and pro-vaccines. Here on Capitol Hill, the fired CDC director told lawmakers she was pressured by Secretary Kennedy to rubber stamp the committee's recommendations without first considering the scientific evidence. He just wanted blanket approval. The panel is also debating changes to the hepatitis B vaccine recommendation. Much of the data is considered pretty settled. Dr. Jodi Guest is the senior vice chair of the Department of Epidemiology

1:57:05 She said most of the data is pretty settled? Listen to that again. Pick evidence. You just want a blanket approval? The panel is also de- Wait, hold on, let me see, I want to hear it again. pro-public health and pro-vaccines. Here on Capitol Hill, the fired CDC director told lawmakers she was pressured by Secretary Kennedy to rubber stamp the committee's recommendations without first considering the scientific evidence. He just wanted blanket approval. The panel is also debating changes to the hepatitis B vaccine recommendation. Much of the data is considered pretty settled. Dr. Jodi, what does that mean?

1:57:44 The data is settled? Most of the data. Is considered pretty settled? Yeah, that's a vague thing. You know, by the way, what they're, they're, they're defending this woman. They should be playing, I don't have the clips, but I could go back and get them. Rand Paul grilled her in front of Congress and she's an idiot. He just wanted blanket approval. The panel is also debating changes to the hepatitis B vaccine recommendation. Much of the data is considered pretty settled. Dr. Jodi Guest is the senior vice chair of the Department of Epidemiology at Emory University. She says these vaccines are safe and effective. And there's not new evidence out there

1:58:29 that we have been following. There's not new evidence out there that we have been following. Is this woman a lawyer? So there may be evidence out there, but we're not following it. We don't follow them on Twitter. It would show that you would want to change the guidance. Dr. Guest also warns. That is, that is, wow, I can't believe that. So there is evidence out there, but we're not following it so we don't make any changes. Says these vaccines are safe and effective. And there's not new evidence out there that we have been following that would show that you would want to change the guidance. Dr. Guest also warns any changes could lead to health insurance companies limiting coverage. No, no, they want your kids sick. They want seizures. Come on.

1:59:16 They're not going to change that. It's a small investment. Cover the Vax, customer for life. You know, you want to take some wagers on what the big announcement is on Autism Monday? What do you think? Well, here's what I... It can't be... Okay, so far Kennedy has been thwarted at every turn and they're still going after him. And this new panel is useless. And they're still going to give the kids 80 shots or whatever it amounts to, including the Hep B shot four minutes after they're born, which is well, that was that was in the clip as well. It's on the table. I'm guessing they're going to come up with nothing. It's the big announcement is going to be something that's inconsequential. We'll give every child a gold card. Well, obviously,

2:00:15 from what we've been looking at since the discredited report, what's the... research, discredited research from Andrew, what was his name again? The... I don't know. Wisenhut, no. Vaccine... Okay, let me ask the bot, hold on a second. Who was the scientist who did research that proved autism was caused by vaccines but was discredited? Well, that sucks. Let me try it again. Who was the scientist who did a research survey that showed that vaccines cause autism and was discredited, disbarred, and thrown out of society?

2:01:13 That'd be Andrew Wakefield. Yes, okay, thank you. Long way to go. Wakefield. Wakefield. Okay. That's what I would be hoping because at least millions of parents would have an answer and we could have a lot of lawsuits. That's the problem right there. Well, maybe it's not. Maybe it's a benefit if we can sue a lot of these companies. Well, I would be. Yeah. Also, if they just take these advertisers off the air, that would help. Well, they're going to have to do so. They don't own the media. They're going to have to do four minute ads or four minute ads, which would be funny. Yeah. Because they won't be like, oh, these ads suck. This this medication sucks. I don't want I don't want all that because you have to have all of the

2:02:00 side effects in the ad, that would be good. Okay, so I got the clips. How much time do we have before we go to a break? Well, it depends. What's your topic? Well, there's a lot of clips here. This is the clips you wanted from Matt Gaetz's show where the guy who's embedded with the Russian army goes on and on about how Ukraine is not what we think it is. And this may be a piece of pure propaganda. I think we should do it. I think we should do it now. I think it could be a piece of propaganda. It turns out I mentioned in the last show and I got a couple of notes mentioning other people, I guess, that have been embedded in the Russian army that are Western reporters and they're, I don't know who they are. Never heard of them. This guy here is somewhat obscure as far as I can tell. I don't know if these reports are accurate. Yeah, with the disclaimers, it's hypothetical embeddedness. I have no idea, but I think it's definitely worth listening to. And Matt Gaetz, a former congressman, is not a dumb

2:02:58 Idiot no and so he defected he's got this guy on his name's Pearson sharp Spook name it's a spook name is he in Brit. No, but that's you mentioned the spook name He has certain characteristics as possible, and he has a kind of a spook joke at the beginning of his presentation, you'll hear it. Pearson, first of all, it's good to see you safe and sound. It looked from some of the snippets of your reporting I was able to see that you were pretty close to the front lines and the fighting. Tell us where you are and what you have learned about this war from your reporting and your journalism. First, I'd like to read this pre-prepared speech from my KGB handler. I'm kidding.

2:03:53 Listen to this about Pearson Sharp from his own website. As a privacy junkie, I'm slowly getting rid of my social media accounts. Yeah, as a spook, that's what you do. All right, good joke about the KGB. All right. Of course, if it was an updated joke, it would be FSB, but he uses KGB because that's a reference we all know. Yeah. Yeah, FSD would be no good. I agree. Yeah, no one would get it. But that's what it should be if he's going to have be reading a prepared statement. Okay. So that was funny. Okay. So now I've got okay, the guy has a sense of humor. So here we go.

2:04:28 We're here in Nizhny Novgorod, and it's about a four-hour train ride east of Moscow. And this is where some of the drone attacks have been happening. And actually they have, they've installed some jammers in the area to block signal because, you know, they're trying to keep the drones from attacking the military targets. But in any case, this past week we were down in Donbass, which is a large region down near Ukraine. We were in Donetsk, we went to Mariupol, we went to the Azovstal steel plant, we went to a couple of other small towns that have just been absolutely decimated by the fighting. And being down here has been incredibly eye-opening as far as the kinds of

2:05:16 people that you meet the kinds of things you see that just destroy the Western narrative about what's happening here and what life is actually like in Russia really how are people dealing with all of the death? I mean, that's a that's a very difficult question answer How does anyone deal with the death the the people here are living their lives as best they can Don bass has been the center of a lot of the fighting and we went to John yes, which was The front line of the war for quite a while. It's now moved quite a bit west from there, but the people have have tried to Integrate the war into their lives the best that they can John I gotta tell you this guy is definitely a spook. He has no bio no wiki page OAN has

2:06:08 Pearson Sharp grew up in a small farming town in central Ohio. He moved to Colorado for school where he attended the University of Colorado in Boulder studying English and creative writing, I'll say. There's nothing on this guy. So there's no profile at all, which is like one of the earmarks. Yes. Well, on his own page, I'm a show host and foreign correspondent. I cover international conflicts from the migration crisis. You spotted it immediately with his name. That's a spook name. It's a total spook name. All right. Well, good. Okay. So it's just, okay. Let's assume he's a spook, which is good to know. We don't know who he's working for and what's the point of this? Because the point of this is there's gotta be some, something going on here. Tell me it's in this clip three.

2:06:58 I think it's in clip four. Okay. We went to a park in Donetsk and it was a memorial park. They had a little shrine there for the children that have been killed by the Ukrainian shelling. And so far the running count just in Donetsk, not all of Donbass, but just in Donetsk is 257 children that have been killed from Ukrainian shelling. And it was called the Alley of Angels and it was very powerful. That sounds horrendous and it certainly animates President Trump's efforts to try to end this war and end the killing. Little children should not be dying because of this type of geopolitics. It's a tragedy. You know, Pearson, we've seen folks

2:07:48 of you interacting with the people who are fighting this war. What can you tell us about those people? So we actually got to visit some of the troops who are fighting for the Russians against the Ukrainians and the incredible part was that these aren't Russian soldiers, these are Ukrainians and they've decided to join with Russia and fight against the Ukrainian regime as they call it. And when I asked them How they felt about fighting against fellow Ukrainians, and you know are they are they fighting for Russia now? Do they do they want to see Russia win? They say we're not fighting for Russia We're fighting to free Ukraine, and I think that says a lot about the mindset of the people here They don't think that Ukraine is free right now the Ukrainians living there Don't think that it's free and these people the soldiers that I spoke with none of them joined the army willingly

2:08:42 They were grabbed off of the streets, thrown into vans and forced to fight. One of them was a university student and he was trying to get his doctorate because apparently there's some kind of loophole that once you get your doctorate, you don't have to fight. And so he was literally at his desk at school and the henchmen came in and dragged him out kicking and screaming and threw him into a van and suddenly you're in the army now. So he was in the Ukrainian army but then switched sides and joined the Russian side of the fight? And joined the Russians, yes. Wow. To fight against the Lentists. Now that interesting little factor there was the fact that Gates

2:09:23 Heard the interview going in a wrong direction. He adjusted it because it was not clear what was going on and so the guy was so he's been Conscripted out of school right out of his classroom before he got his PhD and ended up this is a one of those This didn't happen stories but it but there's a message here about this whole thing that is I through gates that's being done for some purpose or other and I thought it was definitely worth I mean I didn't play it on the last show but I think it's worth probably worth listening to and this is the last clip we went to a park in Donetsk and it was a memorial park they had a little shrine there for the children played that have been oh I'm sorry I cued up the same one twice my apologies

2:10:17 Wow, conscription may not be all it's cracked up to be. If that type of... No, these soldiers, they said they don't want to fight for Zelensky. They called it the regime. They don't want to fight for him. And I asked them, well, you know, how... This is your opinion, of course, you know, the troops here. But what about the rest of the Ukrainians? How do they feel about this? And they said no one wants to fight for Zelensky. No one sees him as legitimate. They all think that he's an illegitimate ruler who's been propped up in place and is basically a dictator at this point. And no Ukrainians want this war to continue. They all want it to end. Hmm. Well, he was born in London, I found.

2:10:58 Attended University College London, the Dragon School of Oxford. What's the Dragon School? I don't know. I've been to Oxford and I haven't seen that school. It's like some kind of Hogwarts. Winchester College, Trinity College, Cambridge. No, that can't be right. That's... This is... It's gotta be a different guy. That's error. That's error. Making errors. That can't be right. The guy. Hmm. Well, yeah, the conscription, I mean, this video is on Telegram of people being dragged off the street, thrown into vans all the time. That's been going on for the entire, you know, three years of the war. So, yeah. We're not getting good information one way or the other. No.

2:11:45 No, we're not well then we'll go into our break here with the latest news from Europe Brussels Airport is the worst affected by this outage And there's real scenes of chaos at the airport lots of flights cancelled lots of flights delayed the airport is telling people don't come unless you have it confirmed that your flight is actually taking off because the agents are are having to do things manually because that system software that processes ticket check-in and luggage check-in is offline. So this is different than when you would have, let's say, an outage for air traffic control, because that means the planes literally can't take off. This can be solved by surging staff over to the airport to be able to process all the check-ins manually. So I'm told they are trying to

2:10:58 Attended University College London, the Dragon School of Oxford. What's the Dragon School? I don't know. I've been to Oxford and I haven't seen that school. It's like some kind of Hogwarts. Winchester College, Trinity College, Cambridge. No, that can't be right. That's... This is... It's gotta be a different guy. That's error. That's error. Making errors. That can't be right. The guy. Hmm. Well, yeah, the conscription, I mean, this video is on Telegram of people being dragged off the street, thrown into vans all the time. That's been going on for the entire, you know, three years of the war. So, yeah. We're not getting good information one way or the other. No.

2:11:45 No, we're not well then we'll go into our break here with the latest news from Europe Brussels Airport is the worst affected by this outage And there's real scenes of chaos at the airport lots of flights cancelled lots of flights delayed the airport is telling people don't come unless you have it confirmed that your flight is actually taking off because the agents are are having to do things manually because that system software that processes ticket check-in and luggage check-in is offline. So this is different than when you would have, let's say, an outage for air traffic control, because that means the planes literally can't take off. This can be solved by surging staff over to the airport to be able to process all the check-ins manually. So I'm told they are trying to

2:12:32 do that. There's a number of other airports affected as well, London Heathrow and Berlin Airport, Berlin Brandenburg Airport, for instance. They are also seeing these scenes of check-in agents having to manually check people in, which is obviously slowing things down. But this is very worrying if this is indeed a cyber attack, which the evidence is pointing to right now, because Collins Aerospace is a very, very big company. It manages airport check-in across the world and, especially worryingly, it's also a defense company. So the fact that it could have been subject to this kind of cyber attack is very worrying. But transport sector analysts that I've talked to over the past months have said they've been worried about something like this.

2:13:20 Because these types of services that can shut down multiple airports with just one attack are a very tempting target. Now I think this is a hit job from a competing company because every single news report had the same payoff. Oh, it's Collins, you know, Collins, a major defense contractor. Very, very worrying. Collins. And where does it hit? Brussels. Brussels, Brussels, where all of the European muckety-mucks live and work. I'm not going to argue that at all. I think it could even be Microsoft. Microsoft doing it because they're not using Windows on these systems in Europe that they're talking about. They're talking about somebody else's software and this very

2:14:06 I mean, it's not beyond the pale because back in the day during the OS 2 era... Oh, what a great OS that was. During the OS 2 era, when they had, they came out with a version called, then they made the claim IBM did that. Wait, didn't you write a book about it? I did. Wow. One of my, one of my 27 books that I've done. Instant bestseller. What was the scripting language called again? Oh, I forgot. That's what was so appealing. It had a nice scripting language, there's no doubt about it. But I didn't even finish the story. So during the, when they came out with crash proof, it was called the warp version, OS2 warp. Crash proof, crash proof. So Steve Ballmer would go into the IBM booth with a disk and just stick it in any random computer and crash it.

2:14:58 And he did this, it was a big joke amongst everybody there. Ballmer would pull the stunt. That's a... Classic Microsoft. I don't put it past Microsoft to do stuff like that to this day. Classic. Rex! Rex, yeah, Rex. Restructured extended executor. Wow, man. I love that. Yeah, it was supposed to be crash-proof. That was right before we found out that if you sent a flood ping to a... a Windows NT computer that it would give it blue screen of death. You remember that? No, I don't remember that. It was so fun. You have someone, you see someone across the way working on a Windows NT and if you had his IP address, we even worked over the internet. You could send a flood ping and it would get blue screen of death. It was amazing. It was good times.

2:15:54 Can't do that anymore. What fun! Yes, it was super fun, but with that I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you the man who put the C's in the coal card say hello to my friend on the other end the one the only Mr. John C. DeMora! Yeah, well, in the morning you go to Saddam and curry in the morning you should have a seat with the ground free and the air subs and the water and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to the trolls in the troll room. Stop moving around, let me count you. There we go, we're counting. Oh, 1982. That's low, but I think a lot of people are watching this Charlie Kirk memorial. You know, I'm going to say something and this is, I said, I say these things and you may be always, you wishful thinking. Wishful thinking, I'll say it in advance. Yes. Such as when I said, I think President Trump can go all the way.

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2:19:06 Wow, what is this thing with you and Darren? What, you got a feud going? No, I got no feud with Darren. He knows exactly what I'm talking about. Darren agrees. Like, yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe that I typed in, give me a road sign with no agenda way, 1800 no agenda way and Curry-Dvorak at an intersection. Okay, AI, go. That's all he did. I think he's doing more. I think he's doing something to brighten up his images because his images have none of... He pays attention. That's one guy in the group that pays attention and you bitch and moan and bitch and moan and complain and complain and complain about the orange nature of a lot of these images and all it takes is just a quick shot and you know put it in Photoshop and take the orange out. Boom. This is true. This is true.

2:19:54 Is he the only guy that pays attention to that? I noticed it. Well, Darren's wife works and he just stays at home and podcasts. No, he's a home dad. As far as I understand, hey, I'm happy. He's our pre-show guy. Darren's rock and roll pre-show is important. It riles everybody up, gets them all ready. You know, there's always a Ted Nugent song played. He used to play Taylor Swift all the time. He stopped doing that. Yeah, it's a good thing he stopped. Too many complaints. So we were looking for... We always like to go pretty traditional, something with 1800 on it. And pretty much everybody failed. Yeah, we had a lot of 1800 Cuervos. We had a bunch of rando women. We liked the 1800 Cuervos, but it was all too small. You couldn't read it. And the one that we liked

2:20:49 Like Curry DeVore, like, okay, Servant. Let me see, where are all these? They scroll down to the next page. Next page, next page, hold on. There's a lot of art, of course, but it's so... We should just integrate an LLM in this thing already. So we liked... I like Matthew Dropko, but it was too small. You like the... I really like Nico Symes. But again, it was too small. And yeah, you like the Darren with the two glasses, but you see Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak on the glass. You couldn't read it from the... No, I couldn't read it at all. At all. People, you know, this is the problem with AI. They go, it's so easy to make art, but people don't pay attention to anything anymore. So we have to call you out on the things you're doing wrong. But maybe once it's created, you know, it's very hard to

2:21:42 It's very hard to tell the model, change this, change that, it screws everything up. Honorary mention though for Matthew Dropko. The Cory Booker clutching his pearls was dynamite. Oh yes, that was hilarious. Of course he has eight fingers on one hand, that's a minor problem. Gee, that's not a... You're using one of the older models, Matthew. He literally has one, two, three, four, five, six fingers, very nice. Very interesting. And they're all bent. Bent and warped, which is okay. That's probably what the AI thought clutching looked like.

2:22:21 Yeah, but we were going to pick some that said it definitely had 1800 on it. So that didn't have it. Of course. Of course. But maybe. But that was a funny idea. Yeah. That was poorly timed. Too many fingers. Poorly timed, too many fingers. Exactly. But we appreciate the effort. You prom jockeys, you've pretty much chased away every single actual artist. It's too bad. I'm gonna do the same with end of show mixes. It's all happening. It's all here. Yeah, you can sit coming down Broadway. Yeah, you can fight against all you want. But like that mix that we have coming up is a good mix. About the No Agenda Nights and The Dames is a good mix. You can't fight it. It's a good mix. Well, you can fight it. I tried. I've given up. Like, because I have nothing else.

2:23:10 Everyone's like, oh man, it's like too much work. You just throw it in the air. It's too much work. This is the laziness thing we brought up earlier in the show. Well, it's like a theme in the country. Let me ask you this. If we could do this show with AI and not have to show up and just make it happen, press a button, do some prompts like, okay, talk about the gold card, talk about free speech versus freedom of speech. If we did like, you know, like 50 lines of prompting and the show did itself, would we just stay in bed? If it was as good as it could be, if it was as good as the real show, I would. But that's never going to be. That's the problem. I mean, AI is creeping into everything, but it's not creeping into certain things it can't do. For one thing, the personality of AI sucks. It stinks.

2:24:02 It's got no voice, no personality. It's flat. Bemro says these lazy AI images is just value for value. Very rude, Sir Bemro. Very rude. Yeah. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We still have a piece of art, but take some pride in your work, people. Get rid of the orange, lighten it up, make your blacks blacks, your whites whites, and check the fingers. Check your fingers. Of course, we always thank people who support us with monetary value. $50 and above, we always want to mention them and thank them profusely for supporting the show. It's the only income we generate. No tote bags, no hats. How many I heard NPR? NPR like, you know, if you only give us $25, we'll send you a hat.

2:25:00 It's like they don't understand value for value. Do you think that Democrat listeners, that they just are stingy? What do you think they... They had a matching donation, a $15,000 matching donation the other day for On The Media. Stingy. Which reminds me, I got a note here. Hold on, where's my note? I got a note here from one of our producers. And this is, hold on, this is producer Nate. Nate says, ITM Adam!

2:25:37 I've been listening since your first rogan appearance and haven't missed a show since. I love the work you two do. I could go on, but I'll try to get to the brass tacks. I am regrettably a douchebag as I haven't donated once. Well, it's free speech. What do you expect? But I have hit several people in the mouth. During show 1800, you mentioned having some challenge coins made for the Rubblizer donation. Finally, an opportunity to add value back to the show enters my mind. I have very close friends who operate a third-generation family-owned casting company that does small and large batch castings. Locally, the business provides medals and trophies for schools as well as custom commissions for anything from belt buckles to shirt pins. Made in America, baby.

2:26:22 They also have made tons of merch for basically any band you can think of that has been big since your MTV days. I would gladly pay for the commission and materials required for the first 33 challenge coins and mail them to you, either you or John, once they're done. I'm not an artist, however, so I would need someone to render an image for the coins. If you're interested, feel free to respond anytime. Much love and keep up the good work." Well, that's a beautiful offer. That's great value for value. All we need now is a beautiful design. What do we need for that? You like a high-end? No, I think we should just give it to... talk Paul into doing it. He did the original Challenge coin, still one of the best. You don't want to use Made in America by Nate for free? No, no. I'm talking about the... Design? The design of the coin, not the manufacturing of the coin. Oh, okay. Well, Paul doesn't even listen anymore.

2:27:17 Well, he would probably perk up if I told him we need a new design for a new challenge coin. He'd come up with something. Tell him. I will. Yeah, please. I will do that. And then we can pass the information on to Jay and she can coordinate the whole thing. OK, excellent. Hey, we have we have we have staff. I love it. We have we have a Yes, we have a workflow I figured out work workflow workflow we have workflow everybody we got workflow Thank you very much Brandon mango from Midland, Pennsylvania And we always have special titles for our top donors for each show although any amount any time We love it all and we appreciate it is value for value so the value is only something you can determine and Brandon

2:27:59 I think it's very valuable what we do. $1,052.60, which I'm thinking is $1,000 plus fees. And he says, any chance y'all can let me know how much I've donated? Love you, love the show. I'm sure Jay responded to him. And for that, he becomes an executive producer. $300 and above always gets you an executive producer credit. $200 and above gets you an associate executive producer. And in both instances, we will always read your notes. And I guess you're going to become a, wow, he'll become a secretary general today and tonight. It's beautiful. And thank you very much, Brandon. We appreciate it.

2:28:35 Well, let me stop everything and say no. What do you mean no? We can't tell you how much did the idea is the way we do this No, but you okay you have to keep your no those days the years ago Eric had some mechanism where he could look at some of the past Donations and come up with a number what's always been on the honor system regardless I just thought it's always been on the honor system. We want you to keep your own books Yes, keep your own books people Thank you for saying that. And I think people should be reminded of that. And that's why I stopped the presses right there. Yes, thank you. Because most people can figure it out. You can look at your checkbook or you can look at your bank. It's a waste of knowing how much money you... I mean, you better know how much money you're spending on anything. You should, yes. Joshua... What is this? What do you think? Coffit?

2:29:32 Cuffelt? Cuffelt? Cuffelt. Cuffelt. Cuffelt. Cuffelt. He's in Grove City, Ohio. And he came in with 51538. ITM and John and Adam, thank you for your courage. The assassination of Charlie Kirk has made me realize that the country is still in dire need of the service you provide. Ah, here we go. I think so too. I want to do my part to ensure that you're able to continue doing what you do. For four more years, this is my first donation. It needs a de-douching. You've been de-douched. If it has not already been claimed, I would like to be named the Secretary General of the Unknown Unknowns. Sounds good to me.

2:30:17 Can I please get some baby-making karma? And can you play the following clips slash jingles? Trump, they're eating the dogs. John's mac and cheese. Alex Jones... Durka Durka? Yes. You know what that is? I don't know. Shut up already. It's science. And the baby-making karma. They're eating You slaves can get used to mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, macaroni and cheese, cheddar melted together, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, mac and cheese, they're just Durka Durka Muhammad Jihad, Durka Durka Durka Durka. Shut up already! Science! You've got... Karma.

2:31:02 Tonight John checks in from Tucson, Arizona 343 33 He says he added 10 bucks for fees not sure how that works next time I'll write a note and send the check yeah that saves everybody money John ITM Adam and John, this donation of 333 plus fees is for a birthday wish for Archduchess Kim, keeper of the Nutty Fluffers. She is definitely on the mend and we are very happy about that. Happy birthday Kim! All uppercase. Kim shares her birthday with Bilbo the Frodo. Please excuse the Lord of the Rings reference. And the Equinox. That's right, today's the Equinox. It is? Yes, it's the equal daylight and nighttime. Today is the Equinox.

2:31:46 She'll also be 42, so we'll soon have the answer to life, the universe, and everything. That's right. I enjoyed your discussion of drive-thru liquor stores a few episodes back. I remember driving through one for a six-pack while test-driving a car with the dealer. Times have certainly changed. Yes, Kim was a little kid in the backseat with her sister. She went ahead and survived my upbringing anyway. Jingles! F35 karma and screw your freedom! Screw your freedom. You've got karma. So Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, who's over here in Oakland and was at the meetup, came in with 333.48, the Oakland meetup, and he had a complaint, which I found somewhat distressing. ITM gentlemen, while listening on the Sunday show, I was horrified to find that my cash donation was not all there. Oh no.

2:32:45 If you recall, John, I had the envelope pressed, passed down the table to you. It was sealed in wax with my No Agenda Night Ring Signet ring, and I don't think any of the people there would have taken it. I think I got it and probably opened it. I'm not sure what was in it, because you don't tell me here. I've taken it, it just, things get, you know, the cash donations get piled up and then obviously this one was somehow forgotten. Yes. Unless it was less than 50. Which there were none, so it had to be at least $100. So take a hundred, a hundred to $100. Taken as if they were all non-douchebag, no agenda Americans. It is possible you may have stopped off at Club Mallard on the way back from the Pizzeria Violetta, had a drink, and tipped the excellent bartender a nice fat tip. Yeah. Yeah, that's gonna... That sounds possible. I don't think so, no. I go straight home.

2:33:40 Or considering my rather poor performance at my IDFA match the following day, it's possible I counted twice only to short the best podcast in the universe that... That ends now! Congratulations on 18 glorious years, Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, Baronet of Maxwell Park, Kilo Oscar 6, Echo Juliet, Echo 73. 73's, Kilo 5, Alpha Charlie Charlie, we'll see you on the 2 gigahertz back channel from Artemis 1. Joe Grillo, soon to be Sir Joseph Lord of the Central Jersey Swamps, 333.34, thank you, he adds a penny to the jar.

2:34:21 Hey John and Adam, if someone told me I would someday donate $1,000 to a podcast, I would have told them that they needed their head examined. Well, I guess I need my head examined because this third donation of 333.34 puts me into the knighthood category. I couldn't possibly ask you to kick in the penny considering how much bitching John does about the lackluster donations of late. There you go. Please knight me, Sir Joseph, Lord of the Central Jersey Swamps, and if you'd be so kind, provide some gumbo, parmesan, and albida beer for the round table. We already did this donation. I think we did too, didn't we? Yeah. Did we? Yeah. Because the albida beer, we got into a big discussion about it. But I don't remember... No, I think this is different. And I do remember him saying what he said about, I didn't think I'd ever donate $1,000 to a show.

2:35:13 I don't know how it got on here twice, but here it is again. Well, should I just read it just in case we're wrong? Yeah, finish it off. We might as well. It's there. Here's the part I don't remember. If you'd be so kind, provide some gumbo... That is... I do remember that. Please mention my band, the Gumbo Goombas. Yeah, it came in... This was a letterhead that had Gumbo Goombas on top. I read this letter. All right. Well, I don't know how it got unless he did it again, which is possible because the original one was a handwritten note. It wasn't on the spreadsheet. Well, but there's a lot of people do this by the way not a little well not a lot a few a number of not enough not enough They send in a note that is handwritten with a check and then they send in a the same thing Somehow through the PayPal so I believe he's just getting double publicity, which is somehow he pulled it off Good job more power to him. Yeah the gumbos the gum the gum goomba gumbos good job everybody okay onward and

2:36:15 Okay, now we go to Linda Lupatkin in Lakewood, Colorado. That's it. I'm done. No, we're not done Kelly and Monica are both in Canada and their donations amount to $240 each at least. Okay. Yeah in Canadian. Yes. Okay. All right go for Linda Linda says jobs karma for a competitive edge with the resume that gets results go to image makers Inc.com for all your executive resume and Job search needs that's image makers equal to K and work with Linda Lou Duchess of jobs and writer of winning resumes jobs jobs jobs and jobs

2:36:57 Yes, Kelly Spongberg, no stranger to the show from Rocky Mountain House in Alberta, Canada, came in with 189.55 Canadian dollar rates. So associate executive. No, no, that's American after the 250 bucks where the Canadian dollar rates. Thank you. I got you. So they will be associate executive producers. Sir Kelly and Dame Andrea are pleased to announce the completion of our business expansion. at Metal Dog Machines in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta. This donation is to both celebrate the show's 1800th milestone and all Dame Andrea's work as a general contractor. All right. Beautiful.

2:37:38 And last on our list is Monica Lansing. She's in Drayton Valley, Alberta, Canada. You guys should meet up. That'd be $240.48 I think is what it comes to. Happy belated 18th anniversary. I want to thank you. Belated? Well, you can do it again in October. It's not quite belated until October 20th something. 1800 episodes, we appreciate it. That's what she meant. And we appreciate all of our executive and associate executive producers as always. Thank you so much for your courage. And of course these credits are entirely real and accepted by the Hollywood bigwigs. Go to IMDB.com, you'll see over a thousand No Agenda executive and associate executive producers. It also works in your LinkedIn profile or on your ex or if you're on it, on your blue cry. And we'll be thanking the rest of our Value for Value supporters in our second segment, $50 and above. And again, congratulations to this associate executive and executive producers. Our formula is this. We go out.

2:38:38 We hit people in the mouth. Silence is golden. So, so, somebody sent me a clip, this clip, which is, uh, this is Newsome. And this is a short clip that I pulled it off Twitter. And Newsom has been getting nothing but grief because he's trying to act like Trump and he's a tough guy and he's cussing a lot. So somebody pointed out, this is Newsom, now he's decided to change course and act like Biden. And if you listen to this clip, he sounds like Biden except he's missing the no joke. What was the other thing Biden used to say? No joke, man.

2:39:37 No joke. No, it's not a joke. It's not a joke. I'm not kidding. And this sort of thing, because this... I'm not lying. This response to this particular bogus story is every known meme of things that didn't happen were posted, and in fact I collected a few of them for the future use in the newsletter. It's like nobody believes a word of this story which makes it again more like Biden's one of his cockamamie screwball stories. And this is just nonsense. This is a chill, this is chilling, this is serious. I walked into a restaurant the other day, entire staff came out, started hugging me and crying. What the hell is that?

2:40:22 the United States of America. What he's doing to our diverse communities, what he's doing to the fabric of our society. He does a little bit like Corn Pop. He was a bad dude. There's a Biden cadence and stupid. That's funny. No one cares about him, by the way. No one cares about Biden except for President Trump who wants to undo all the pardons. Yeah, well that's definitely what's happening. And so since we're on California, do you have one more clip on this? Not from Newsom, but it's about Newsom. And this is the

2:41:05 The Cali band. It says band but it's about the ban on ice masks, legal ban on... yeah. California will be the first state to ban most law enforcement including federal immigration agents from covering their faces while on official duty. Governor Gavin Newsom signed the bill into law today saying the masked law enforcement pulling people off the streets is a step toward authoritarianism in quote Trump's America. A few other states are considering similar measures. The law does allow exceptions for things like riot gear, medical masks and undercover work. In the past ICE said its officers wear masks to prevent being identified in videos and photos online and facing threats.

2:41:52 That's an amazing world we live in. You know, the very state that forced everyone to wear a mask still does from time to time. Well, if you listen to that report carefully, there is an out, which is instead of wearing the normal mask that the ICE guys are wearing, they just put on a medical mask. Yeah. It said right there, except for medical masks so you can go out there like a COVID. Yeah, that's an out. So you wear that, you wear a little blue mask and screw ya. Oh, that's good. That's good.

2:42:28 Looks like we have a deal. The deal has been approved on the phone. I don't think we've papered it yet, but we got a deal. We have a deal. We got a deal. It's like I got a deal. I spoke to the guy. We got a deal. Here we go. The deal is for TikTok. Video sharing app TikTok's future in the US has long hung in the balance. But Donald Trump says his Chinese counterpart approved a deal over the phone. as they plan to meet at the APEC regional summit next month. to

2:43:25 million users in the US. We thank President Xi Jinping and President Donald J Trump for their efforts to preserve TikTok in the United States. ByteDance will work in accordance with applicable laws to ensure TikTok remains available to American users through TikTok US. According to the Wall Street Journal, the deal could involve the US government receiving a multi-billion dollar fee from TikTok. in exchange for facilitating negotiations with China. Trump's stance on TikTok has changed since returning to office, and he credits the app with helping him win a second term via young voters. He's delayed implementing the sale deadline multiple times, the latest now until December 16th. The app's fate has been caught up in a sweeping tariff spiral between Washington and Beijing that has strained relations between the world's top two economies.

2:44:14 So let's talk about this for a second. A, who do you think the buyer, it's got to be multiple buyers at this point. I presume... Yeah, Oracle's one of them. Yeah, Oracle has the data already as part of Project Dallas or whatever they call that. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, for harvesting the data, the US data in Oracle, which is where a lot of your data is harvested. Who else? Who else would be in on this? Andresen Horowitz is one of them, and there's a third partner, and I'm trying to think who it is. You know, your bot there would know. I'm not going to ask the bot. The bot doesn't know anything. What are the chances that it'll just suck? Well, the problem is that they're still negotiating about the algorithm.

2:45:05 It's so si- I could write this algorithm. You think so? Yeah, I know so. I like- Well, then why don't you give him a call? I like red. You get red stuff. That's what- that's what they're- the algorithm- That's what it looks like to me too, yes. You know, you- I like black preachers that do the falling thing. Boom. You get them all. Yeah. You know, I like blue hair complaining and crying about Trump. Bloom, you get it all. It's very, it's a very simple algorithm. And then the monetization is the shop. That's the problem. And because of the, well, De Minimis is probably still high enough at $200 that you can still get most of that junk in without import duty. But that's my impression.

2:45:57 But I mean is it still making there was it making eight billion a year think is what it was I don't know. I think your robot would know I don't care get your own robot get your own robot man. I'm not getting a robot in the house It's just like an intrusion. You know I was thinking about you know optimus prime and all these robots and that ridiculous robot Expo where all the But they're boxing the boxing robots that can't box for crap? They're boxing and they're playing soccer and it all sucks. It totally blows. It's really funny. The thing is, like people always want a humanoid robot. That makes no sense to me. I have a robot, I have one robot in my house and I love this robot. It's my second one actually.

2:46:45 And that's the vacuum cleaner. Oh, it's not from Roomba, is it? No, it's from Shark. Because Shark has one. Oh, I have no doubt that China has an entire layout of my house. I mean, I really despise that part. But it's so... because of Phoebe. Phoebe's shit. Oh my goodness, I forgot to let her in. Oh boy. Stop the tape! Yeah, let me stop the tape. Hold on a second, the poor dog is burning up. You know, I think I liked it better when you played the slide whistle. The slide whistle was better.

2:47:35 Yeah, well. So the ASPCA, they're going to come and take her away, I'm sure. Why? Well, it's like it's 85, it's almost 90 degrees. She's in the... Oh! She's in the... Well, she's a big white hairy dog. She's in the corner of the yard with a little bit of shade. She's all curled up like, I'm frying, Daddy. Oh no. Don't you have a doggie door? Oh, this dog needs a human door. We should teach the dog how to open the door. Yeah, okay. Anyway, thank you. I also took the opportunity to urinate and get some water for myself. Anyway, we were talking about dog. What were we talking about? That's a good question. The shark vacuum cleaner. Oh yeah, it's monitoring and mapping your house. Yes, but they have a special version that is specifically for pet fur.

2:48:32 And it's really good. And I love that thing. We call it Steve McLean. And every night at 11, Steve McLean goes around. And that's an actual robot that is functional. It doesn't look like Rosie from the Jetsons vacuuming. This is what I don't get. How stupid, like, you're spending all this battery and energy and gyroscopic power on keeping this humanoid thing. Who cares? Oh, look, it walks just like a human. It can jump. Make it functional. Don't make it look like a human. I've never understood that. Am I just obsessing too much about this? No, I've always felt the same way. I always, and I point out to people that they all have robots already. The word processor is a typist. And you hit the button and it types out a bunch of documents for you. That's a robot? It's a robot.

2:49:29 There's other examples. Yes. Oh, something's happening in the UK. They're pushing, they're pushing, they're pushing. It's coming here. I had a long talk with Kyle Biederman about this. He says, man, Lindsey Graham's in bed with Kash Patel, which he took. I thought you were going to say he was in bed with the Queen. Believe me, Kyle Biederman got the joke already, he thought it was funny. I said, digital ID man, it's coming. And here's the UK Labour minister. We know the government is looking at digital ID cards at the moment. How would that help prevent the situation that we're in now?

2:50:09 Well, Keir Starmer, our Prime Minister, said we are looking at what other countries have done to bring in a sort of digital accreditation. I think there's real actually benefits right across here from obviously dealing with illegal working, but also actually imagine if your viewers imagine that they had one credential that would allow them to access access all the different government services and our public services do. I'm sure many of your viewers often tear their hair out with all the different numbers and passwords. Oh no, different numbers and passwords! I'm tearing my hair out! Please government, give me a digital ID, please, please!

2:50:50 the different bits of government that they have to deal with. I do think there could be a real benefit here for people who are here and working legally and accessing our public services if there was one route in, as well as the benefits it could have with illegal migration. We're looking at that. I think it is an interesting idea that other countries have taken forward and we want to learn from what they've done. You see, this is the difference. This is why we fought the British and kicked them out. They want digital ID. We give you the Trump Platinum card. I mean, it's a much better card. You want digital ID. You want the Trump Platinum, the Trump Gold card. This is the difference right here. Although they're going to push for it real hard, right after we go to the moon.

2:51:37 No, we're gonna push for it real hard. Yeah, period. Moon notwithstanding. Yeah. A little bit of EU news. Well, actually, this is, I've been taking my time to watch some more of President Trump's presser with Keir Starmer. And I don't remember any clips of this out there. This is about him being disappointed in President Putin.

2:52:12 but also telling us when and how the war will end. Mr. President, you say that President Putin has let you down. Have negotiations run out of road? And what are your next steps to compel an end to this war? He has let me down. I mean, he's killing many people and he's losing more people than he's, you know, than he's killing. Very simply, if the price of oil comes down, Putin is going to drop out. He's going to have no choice. He's going to drop out of that war. And when I found out that the European nations were buying oil from Russia, and as you know, I'm very close to India, I'm very close to the Prime Minister of India, I spoke to him the other day, wished him a happy birthday. We have a very good relationship. He put out a beautiful statement too. We have- Hey, Modi! But I said, you know, I sanctioned them. China's paying a very large tariff right now to the United States. But I'm willing to do other things, but not when the people that I'm fighting for

2:53:09 buying oil from Russia. If the oil price comes down, very simply, Russia will settle. And the oil price is way down, you know, we got it way down. We're drilling and we produce more oil than anybody else in the world. We're doing a lot. But I was disappointed to see that, and the Prime Minister was disappointed to see that. So if the price of oil comes down, then Putin's out. How does it, how does that work though? If the, because of course we know it's a troll. The European Union is not going to stop buying oil. But if they stop buying Russian oil, wouldn't the price go up? Wouldn't there be less available and therefore the prices would go up? That's too logical. The idea is that Russia would be selling less oil because the Europeans stopped buying it and it wouldn't really change the price of anything, but it would change the income flow.

2:54:09 They would just get less money and running out of money is not a good thing for it because it's a main part of their economy is the revenues from oil. Well, Fond du Lion, Queen Ursula is clapping back and she has a plan, a plan. Now it's not about oil, but did you know that they were taking Russian LNG? Oh, doesn't surprise me. Well, then not anymore. No, they got a lot of gas to stop in that Russia's war economy sustained by the revenues from fossil fuels. We want to cut these revenues. So we are banning imports of Russian energy into European markets. It is time to turn off the tap. We are prepared for this.

2:54:54 We have been saving energy, we have been diversifying supplies, we've been investing in low-carbon sources of energy like never before. And today these efforts pay off. We've been saving energy. Look, I have it here in my little purse. Yeah, you got a bunch of it right here in a box. And we have low-carbon alternatives. Yeah, oh yeah, they're going to die. They are, once they kill their nuke plants, this was the problem. I don't know how they got suckered into any of this. Well, they want to kill people. Isn't it just universally true throughout history that the cheaper and more abundant actual energy is that the more prosperous people become? Yes, because what it is, it is energy. Yeah.

2:55:51 Yeah, and it makes things move. Yes. Poor Europeans. I do love our European brothers and sisters, but you're letting these people kill you. They're squashing you like bugs. Yeah, and you can't say anything about her. You get thrown in the slammer. Yeah, you get arrested like Katie Hopkins. She's joking about it, but she's in for a surprise. You should hear her story. That whole podcast with Lara is good. You know, she got... because at a certain point she became the most hated person in the UK. I'm not... I don't remember what happened or what she did. Well, she was on LBC for a while, as I recall. Yes, yes, she was. And she was on LBC. She loves America because she would do a regular spot on Tucker. And because of that, she was able to have a... I guess it was the Republican Women's Conference.

2:56:47 And she spoke at some gathering because of Tucker had it, you know, got her in there. And then she was on the speaking circuit all of a sudden. She was going around every state, speaking at every Republican Women's Conference. And that's in essence how she survived. But it got so bad, as she was saying, that her husband had to take their children, move to a different town, take on different names. And they did not have contact for five years. Because of the abuse the children were taking. Really? Yes. I was blown away. I remember that we used to follow her when she was on LBC. Raj was too. Yeah. And she was, you know, she was funny. I mean, she was very biting in terms of her critique. And I just don't see how that would create that much hate.

2:57:49 No, I think it was something. Well, this time I will ask the robot. What was it that happened that made Katie Hopkins the most hated person in the UK? Well, Katie Hopkins earned that most hated label from a string of explosive, often offensive comments that lit up the UK media. She kicked off big in 2015 with a Sun column comparing migrants crossing the Mediterranean to cockroaches, sparking massive backlash for racism got her investigated by police, though charges dropped.

2:58:26 Then there was her digs at fatties, calling them lazy, slagging off Scottish accents as scummy, and telling folks with depression to snap out of it, which hit parents of kids with autism hard too. Oh, and that time she joked about euthanizing dementia patients to free up NHS beds? Pure firestorm. Shows like Celebrity Big Brother amplified it all, turning her into a tabloid villain. But hey, she turned the hate into cash, didn't she? Not really. Not really. Hey, you biased robot. Error. Okay, well, that's kind of funny though. Snap out of it! Snap out of it. Snap out of it! What's your problem?

2:59:09 Well, her style of pointed critique was very American. She definitely wasn't beyond what a Louis C.K. would have done or almost any decent comic. Except for the public masturbation. She did masturbate in front of other comics in the hotel room, as far as I know. As far as you know. As far as I know, yes. So, poor Katie. But anyway, she seems to be doing okay. She almost died. Well, it started with, I think it did start with the cockroach thing and that brought down the ire of the globalists who were moving to move everybody they could from the Northern Africa into the Europe. Yeah.

3:00:03 Since it's on right now, and I gotta tell you, I'm looking at this, this is amazing, the people who are at this memorial. The entire cabinet has spoken already. All of the top podcasters, ourselves excluded. All of us. Of course we are. We're never, we're excluded from everything. Yes. We were de-platformed when we started. This is good. That's really good. I was bringing that up because I called it. Kirk's widow, Erica, has been named CEO of Turning Point, the conservative nonprofit that he founded. In his statement, Turning Point USA said Kirk designated his wife to be CEO ahead of the shooting that took his life. I think she's really going to make something out of this. Yeah, I'm in total disagreement. Okay. I think she has no karma whatsoever and it's going to go

3:00:59 Just nowhere. But if there's people behind her that are doing the job, it might not make a difference. This is where you say Marco Rubio, he's the guy. Marco Rubio could do it. So I have a question for you. I got an air traffic controller clip. Oh. So this is a kind of, it's edited a bit but not by me. And this is the air traffic controller scolding a Spirit airline flight for getting too close to Air Force One when he took the trip to England. And is this kind of, there's insults. Do air traffic controllers normally insult the pilots of these planes? Is that a common thing? Let's have a listen.

3:02:02 Okay, so these conversations, this is a little more than usual. This is the exact reason when I fly up to Dallas, and if I'm flying myself, because I only fly once every six weeks, once every two months maybe. And we go in a Cirrus, which is a fast, but it's a four-seater. It's a small aircraft, but it's not, you know, it's fast for a small four-seater. So, it takes me an hour and five minutes to get up to Dallas versus five minutes, five and a half hours in the car. Beautiful. I love it. And I always take along one of the instructors from the flight school. I rent the plane from the flight school.

3:02:45 because they're on the radio all day. Because here's, this is my experience and air traffic controllers are there for a reason. We have a lot of them listening to us. I love them all. I've never had a spat with them, but this is what happens. It's very busy airspace. There's five airports up there. You got Dallas, Fort Worth, you got Love, you got Addison. And if you are flying into that airspace and they're going to vector you and tell you what to do. And if you so much as go, uh, on the radio, they'll go, okay, why don't you fly 30 minutes that way? And we'll talk to you in a half hour. We'll let you back in and make your approach.

3:03:21 Because they're busy. They're trying to keep you know separation all kinds of bad things from happening so if you're not responsive on the radio, which sounds like There's a couple of different clips of this floating out there, like he had to ask two or three times to turn 20 degrees right. If you don't say, you know, you're calling Spirit Airlines 20 degrees right, if you don't say that right away, then you're not paying attention. And that's frightening for an air traffic controller because You need to respond. I need you to do this. If you're not turning right, you're not responding, I can run into trouble. I'm thinking five steps ahead. So yeah, call him a douche. Get off the iPad. Stop horsing around. This is a busy airspace and we got the Air Force One. So yes, it was meant as an insult and I think it was correct.

3:04:14 Now, oftentimes you'll have a different dispute where the air traffic control is going to tell you how to fly, you know, or, I mean, I'm trying to think of a good example, but ultimately the pilot in command is in command of that aircraft. So they'll tell you to do certain things like, no, I don't want to do that. I want to do it this way. And if it's not within their aerodrome space, you know, you're like, hey, I don't want to fly that way because I might run into rainstorms. I want to go that way. You know, they will have to concede to you because you do have the authority over the aircraft and you're up there and they're not. But when it comes to this, absolutely, the guy's spirit, it was a douche. 20 degrees to the right, just confirm and go.

3:05:03 Not paying attention. Yeah, they were talking to each other in the cockpit, you know, talking about the flight attendants. You see that hottie? Yeah, that dude's real hot. It's Spirit. Spirit Airways. I'm just saying. Yeah. All right. I've got a couple more, but I'm going to save the supercut. Oh, you have a supercut? You're going to save a supercut? It was about the free speech thing. I think it'd be better bumped because we'd be talking about freedom of speech. You know, I actually tried to make that one sound better. This one? Does it have music on it?

3:05:45 I don't remember. There's about 10 of them out there. This is the one. This is a retrospective. Yeah, I tried to take the music out of this. Why bother? You can't do it. I don't think there's music on this one. Well, it did. I told you, you need to try the 11 Labs thing. 11 Labs really works incredibly well. It takes music out? Yeah. Oh, it takes music. I told you, it's the only thing that makes RFK Jr. sound legible. It's good. Okay, I'll play with it next time. Well, let me just see, because I think I have the... I threw it out. Maybe I still have it. Yeah, I still have it. You'll laugh.

3:06:30 Okay, let me see if this is the same one. You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not Twitter ban the president. No, I have a different one. You shouldn't be banned from one platform and not others if you for providing misinformation out there. There's no guarantee to free speech on misinformation or or hate speech and especially around our democracy. There are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda. and whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrent. If people go to only one source and the source they go to is sick and has an agenda and they're putting out disinformation,

3:07:15 Our First Amendment stands as a major block. It's really hard to govern today. This is a matter of corporate responsibility. Twitter should be held accountable and shut down that site. It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability. The First Amendment is not absolute. It does not protect any single thing anyone says. And there are limits, and that's important. And what This committee has been trying to do for the last year and a half is to chill the federal government from monitoring what is going on on social media. When you look at what Tucker Carlson and some of these other folks on Fox do, it is very, very clearly incitement of violence, very clearly incitement of violence. I believe that when it comes to broadcast television like Fox News, these are subject to

3:08:06 to federal law, federal regulation in terms of what's allowed on air and what isn't. That's a good piece. First of all, she calls it broadcast television. It's not. And they're not. This is a U.S. representative that was AOC. This is an actor. It's not a representative. Very clearly incitement of violence. I believe that when it comes to broadcast television like Fox News, these are subject to to federal law, federal regulation in terms of what's allowed on air and what isn't. My biggest concern is that your view has the First Amendment hamstringing the government in significant ways. We should have played that earlier, although it's nice to kind of wrap up with it. So as a rare exception, I will play for you until you realize why I threw it out.

3:08:58 the supercut that I got. Now this had a typical... I don't get those too many of those. I don't like them. Well, so that's why you use 11 Labs, their voice isolator, and it worked extremely well until it got to someone speaking in an audience with a lot of applause and you'll hear why I threw this out. Twitter banned the president permanently. Damn, they took away his precious. Well, Facebook upheld their ban of Donald Trump today for at least another six months. It is so funny to watch the Trump supporters and the Republicans meltdown over Tucker Carlson getting fired from Fox News. Tucker Carlson is out at Fox News. Couldn't have happened to a better guy. Fox News media and Tucker Carlson have agreed to part ways.

3:09:49 So that's actually the view. If you remember when, who's the little Latino woman? Yeah, Anna Navarro. Yeah, so she starts singing. I wouldn't call her little, but yes. She starts singing, na na na na, na na na na, hey, say goodbye. And it turned her, this is actually a very interesting filter. because it removed the music from everything, but it brought the actual devil that is inside of that woman out. Listen again, listen again. It's the Eleven Labs Devil Revealing Software. That's exactly what it is! Agreed to part ways. Foxy, I'm telling you, this is my demon revealer.

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3:23:05 It's a sweet bubbly wine. It's not like a champagne bubbly, it's a light sparkling wine. It's sweet, the alcohol is low, it's like 7% on a lot of these. Sometimes it gets to 10. And it's every one I've ever had in my life. I've had a lot of them. They seem to all be good at whatever price. They run around 12 to 15 to 16 bucks maybe. I think Costco has one for under 10. That explodes. In some states, I don't know what the deal is there. I listened to it, it was every single state except for Texas for some reason? No, no, they didn't have any exploding bottles in California either. There was only about 20 states where they were blowing up.

3:23:51 And you didn't even have to take it back. You could just show them a receipt and you get your money back. So you get free bottles of this stuff. I would just recommend if you have a bottle, they said don't open it because it might blow. I would say just put on some goggles. Wear some gloves and open it. If it doesn't blow up, you're in good shape. You have a nice bottle of free Moscato Dosti. Now, do you have a tip on how to approach this exactly? It's a sweet wine. It's chilled. It's a summer sipper. It's good for the upcoming Indian summer. It's a summer sipper. And the problem with it is Mimi has this issue and most people will, you can't not drink the whole bottle. Yeah. Is that only Mimi? Really?

3:24:41 Well, I think a lot of people will run into it. If you've ever had Moscato Dosti, you will find it's hard to resist just drinking it down. It is a superior product. It's a great, it's an afternoon thing. It's supposed to be a dessert wine, but I wouldn't have it for dessert. It's not really sweet enough. It's kind of awkward for dessert. It's really just a casual drinker. There you go. There it is everybody, John's tip of the day. Get the non-exploding kind, it drinks better. Created by Dana Brunetti. Ah, well there we go. Created by Dana Brunetti. Uh, let me see, uh, I think we have, uh, Mutton Meat and Music coming up next. Oh.

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