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00:00 So they're bombing the public relations department. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, September 14, 2025. This is your award-winning Kivner Nation Media Assassination Episode 1799. This is no agenda. We've got the magic number and we're broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number 6. In the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where... Wait, the roommate was a trans named Twigs? What? I'm John C. Dvorak. Yeah. Uh-huh. This whole thing smells bad, Mr. Dvorak.

00:47 Well, I know a couple of things that are obvious. Fox, and I have this clip from this morning I sent as a bonus clip. They are avoiding this topic like the plague. Foxes? Yeah. I don't think it's going to last long, but Howard Kurtz's show You know, he does a kind of a clone on the media. He's like one of the media guys. He comes on once a week. Oh, okay. Deconstruct the media. Does he do that on the weekend? I don't think I've ever seen him. Yeah, only weekends. Okay. It's like Sunday only. I don't even think he does a Saturday show. Okay. And so it kind of came up in the conversation. Man, they, this is the clip TG.

01:27 This, they went so far, they just said, they just dropped this like a hot potato. Nobody wants to talk about it at Fox. Megan, do the media need to know this? Whether he, the report is that he was rooming with a transgender person? Or is that just something to glom onto because then we can blame it on the other side? I said earlier, all Democrats are out for murder, that kind of like painting with a broad brush. necessarily think we need to know the murder. I think he was mentally unstable and I think he committed murder, which is horrendous and unnecessary on a basic level. But I think that we're always going to find people who don't like our views, whether or not they're moderate, whether or not they're left or whether or not they're to the right. I got a threat on Friday.

02:09 I'm a very moderate Democrat who comes on Fox, who comes on all the stations. And it's very moderate. I should not be getting threats in my social media, but we do. I'm sure you get them. Literally on Friday. I'm sure you get them and we all get them. I don't care what their motives are. They shouldn't be violent. It shouldn't matter. You should have the freedom to say what you want to say. That's the end of story. That's our democracy. Yeah, I think this is a part of something else. I believe that all of the networks on all sides of the same spectrum as they all are really have all gotten the message, we've got to calm it down because we're all somehow responsible for this. And you don't want to get fired because people are getting fired left and right. Right now only left, but I think right is coming.

02:53 And the media has gotten some message to tamp it all down and not blame it on a side. At least that's what it seems like to me. Well, you know, the funny thing out here, it's kind of just completely dissipated from the whole thing is gone. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, I'm looking at the quad screen and Fox is talking to Mike Johnson for the past 48 hours. Wow, that's got to be high entertainment. Oh, it's I have I have a couple clips from this morning I mean the guys making the rounds but but before we do that Everybody was waiting for Saturday. You know we had the oh, you know the FBI you got a press conference 20 minutes late we're looking at the empty stage. We've got a we got the four minute warning We got the two minute warning. Okay, it's coming

03:50 And then we got this. In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie. Wow. In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise. You know that is. Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's one more. No. Yes. Yeah. Let me play all three just so you get it all in context. These are in linear fashion. In 33 hours, we have made historic progress for Charlie. In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise. Bad stuff happens and for 33 hours. Why the laugh tell? The laugh tell from the governor of Utah was the weirdest one. As he turns around and looks at Cash Patel and says, for a... Bad stuff happens and for 33 hours.

04:51 What is up with that? This was... Tina comes in from the bathroom. She's like, what is going on? I'm like, well, for almost 18 years, we've been tracking this and we can't now all of a sudden... To no avail. Well, true. But it's always, always something up with this. And what was the emphasis? You could have said in less than 48 hours, a little over 24, less than a day and a half. No, 33, 33, 33. This bugged me to no end. Well, actually, the best of the group was he said 36 and then he corrected it to 33. Yes, in less than 36, 33.

05:35 to be exact, which is bull crap, because we all know anyone who's ever worked for a living or done anything, you can't pinpoint your success at a certain number of exact hours to be exact. That's not even possible. So that's code. Of course it's code. And all of the stuff that's coming out and the information that's from sources. Because, mind you, I don't think there's been an official FBI notice. Has this person even been officially charged yet? Because on Saturday, Kash Patel was very clear, we have 36 hours to file charging documents. So this person hasn't even officially been charged as far as I know. The whole thing stinks. We were at, there was a Big Benefit concert last night.

06:34 for the flood victims. Trace Atkins, if you've never seen Trace Atkins, man, that guy's good. But my buddy Mike, the sheriff, he was in charge of a lot of the security there. And he came right up to me, he said, Adam, We, you know, I guess they may have some inside knowledge. I don't know if Gillespie County Sheriff's Office gets that or not. But he said she is unlikely, but OK, they talk, you know, people talk. And so whatever talk there is, I'm just passing it on. He says one no way, he says no way this went down the way they're saying it. And then another thing which I found curious, he says we've got a video with with audio of two shots.

07:20 That I'm like, okay, well send, he hasn't sent it to me yet, but I said send it to me. I'd love to hear that. But it could also be, it could be a ricochet, it could be an echo. No echo. But it's not like these guys don't know what that sounds like. So the whole thing was, everything's off about it. You know, it just, you know, we've got the etchings on the casing, which we still have not seen. We've only heard about it. And we have, where's the photo? Exactly. With the other guy, they showed us, you know, his video showing all the etchings and commentary. They showed it and put it online. Almost like that was predictive programming. You know, it's like, well, it'll be just like that. You saw it, you saw it with that other guy. So, you know, it's the same here. The whole thing is just, uh, well,

08:10 It's one of those things we can't do anything about except note it. Well... Because we don't know. No, no, but it leaves so much open and I think that's exactly the point. Yes, I mentioned that in the newsletter today yesterday, which is that this is good This could lead especially if something happens to this character. Oh, yeah, which how there were screwed How likely is that? I'd be stunned. Yeah, and so we'd be stuck with this kind of speculation forever. This is like a real time sink what's interesting about this particular case is

08:50 is the amount of stories coming out about people getting fired for their response online. And I just pulled one story from Ohio which actually has three stories in it. Just because you have a computer or phone handy doesn't mean you can say whatever you want. Monroe Falls City Council Vice President John Empalazzeri is feeling the heat after post-criticizing Charlie Kirk, saying saying in part, quote, the world is a better place now that he's gone, end quote. And 19 News has confirmed a Cleveland firefighter and EMS staff member are under internal investigation after the city was made aware of social media activity. Cleveland attorney Danny Karen says the First Amendment protections are not limitless. There's certain restrictions on the First Amendment, but as it concerns

09:41 kids, teachers, whomever popping off, council people popping off online saying awful incendiary things. Not real smart. Why? Because a lot of us have codes of conduct or codes of ethics that control our work experiences. You may be surprised to learn it does not matter if you're a government employee or work for a private company. By the way, all the reports are similar to this. It's like They keep talking about this thing called free speech, which I'm not sure what that is. It's just, you know, what used to be called freedom of speech is now just free speech. Like, you don't have to pay. It's like a podcast. It's free. You don't have to pay for it. It's free. Free speech. And this is, they're kind of turning it into a debate about, you know, will I have the right to say whatever I want to say? Which is ludicrous. But the reason this is interesting

10:28 is these city council people, other officials like in the fire department, people at schools. The reason they said this stuff is because they clearly thought everybody agrees. This is what's so eye-opening. Can you hear me? Yeah, can you not hear me? No, it was my fault. I, you know, I... This thing goes, it mutes itself. I was just gonna say in that list of people you're talking about, you know who else got nailed? Who? George Conway. Oh really? Interesting. George Conway posted a picture comparing Charlie Kirk to some Jugendnazi from the 30s and had a picture of them side by side.

11:14 He's just getting blessed and this is you know, I every time I see this character who's just a lunatic How did he ever hook up with Kellyanne Conway? Who's a? Power baby political power. He had political power at the time. That's what it was But but she was an idiot, but let's just go back to the point I'm trying to make here is that they clearly thought it was okay to to post this, whatever the post was, it varied from, you know, oh, well, yeah, he said that some victims would have to fall for defending the Second Amendment to good riddance, all these, but I'm convinced that these people truly believe that everybody around them

12:00 Had the same opinion. But wait, wait, you had a thing about pre-programming earlier in your commentary. Yes. Yes. How about Luigi? There you go. There's the pre-programming because everybody was all in love with Luigi and that nobody got burned for it. Exactly. Ah, very good point. Very good point. Huh. Isn't that interesting? Well, and these guys are getting really the libs a tic-tac girl. Yeah, she has been posting one teacher after because she the arm she really goes after teachers one teacher after another who have posted some nasty stuff and Names the school and everything well, well, she always finishes with the same line Do you want this person teaching your children doesn't that prove the point? I

12:54 that the entire education system believes that this was okay. This is okay. Everybody agrees. Hey, if you could come back and kill baby Hitler in a time machine, wouldn't you do it? Well, sure I would. Which brings me to the supercut. I've got a better one than the one we just kind of hastily patched together on Thursday. This is primarily MSNBC. Primarily. But it's not just talking heads, it's, you know, the guests, it's captains of industry. Of course, Nancy Pelosi's in there as well. And when you listen to it in this context of just a supercut, you go, well, yeah, of course I would come back and kill baby Hitler and Goering and Goebbels and every single one of the Hitlerjugend, which,

13:48 Well, listen. They're a dime storefront for a terrorist movement. The Republican Party is basically a domestic terrorist cell at this point, and they should be treated as such. There are elements of the GOP that are starting to look like the jihadists. It's not a political party. They're a white nationalist movement. They're a fascist threat to our nation. That's not hyperbolic. That's academic. Would have once seemed hyperbolic, but it increasingly does feel like the Republican Party has become a death cult, and it's all

14:27 all about Donald Trump. There is no alternative right now because the Republican Party project today is a fascist authoritarian project. The fact is Republicans in Congress are still in the grip of the ultra MAGA agenda. Party of dupes, party of knuckleheads, party of weirdos, party of freaks. That is a simple simple message and underneath that it's the party of nothing. It has become an authoritarian embracing cult. It is fascist. We take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and sadly the domestic enemies to our voting system and are honoring our Constitution are right at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with their allies in the Congress of the United States. Trump's modern-day Giscopo is scooping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans wearing masks

15:20 being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. no chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye, just grabbed up by masked agents, shoved into those vans. The old films of the Gestapo grabbing people off the streets of Poland and you compare them to those nondescript thugs who grabbed that student, that graduate student, it does look like a Gestapo operation. Because if we just roll this clock on the wall back 75 years, We'd be looking at a time in Nazi Germany where people ran around with signs like this new ICE sign that says report all foreign invaders to ICE with Uncle Sam there holding up the sign. This could have been a Gestapo member 75 years ago. Report all Jews. ...authoritarian personality in league with autocrats and kleptocrats and dictators all over the world... ...taking direct aim at our democracy...

16:17 Now, it's not that all the kids in the world are watching MSNBC, but you know every single teacher is. Because remember the liberal school teacher from Austin who we used to hang out with? Who we don't anymore? She watched MSNBC religiously. It was her church. So this is what's happening. Yeah, well that's why they had to... That's why Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast who owns MSNBC, had to spin it off. Yes, he wanted out. By the way, I have...

17:11 The fuck actually this might have been the last moment that Fox News talked about the the trans part of this story breaking a Fox News alert FBI sources tell us that the man charged with a sass okay, so the FBI sources FBI sources Who do they call a Fox Digital? Really? That's who they call? Wouldn't they be calling Hannity? No, we're calling F- Hey boys, let's leak some information. Let's call Fox Digital. Yeah. Fox News Alert. FBI sources tell Fox News Digital that the man charged with assassinating Charlie Kirk was living with a transgender partner. Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson was in a romantic relationship with someone transitioning from male to female.

18:03 They say that individual is fully cooperating with their investigation, claims to have had no idea of Robinson's plans, and is not currently accused of any criminal activity. Oh, thank you very much for that update. I want to hear some of the... I know you have some anal clips. Actually, I think I can predict a quote from that trans woman. When she, he, they, I don't know what her pronoun is, nobody told me. The first thing she said was, you did what? Okay. It's going to ruin that person's life, it's going to ruin the family, the family of the kid. Luna is the person's name, Luna.

18:52 I thought it was Twigs. Well, no, that's the online... I don't know. Who cares? Who cares? Luna Twigs. Yeah, Lance S. Twigs, also known as Luna. And by the way, big mistake in this whole thing. Sorry to say it, but why doesn't... Tyler Robinson have a middle name. This is not a good this is not a yeah We're missing a middle name three motif. Yes, you have to have a mill in at three three which means three names We got to have the middle name so something's up here You want to just hear some of the morning shows since we got them from this morning? This is all the lady. Yeah most of my stuff is the analysis. Yeah, which is important I want to play those afterwards. I want to hear the morning shows. I'm sure we're gems. Here's ABC this week

19:37 This morning, the New York Times is reporting that in the hours after Charlie Kirk's murder, his alleged gunman Tyler Robinson was messaged in a group chat by an acquaintance jokingly questioning where he was, suggesting he resembled the man police were looking for. According to the Times, Robinson responded that his doppelganger was trying to get me in trouble while making other jokes about the manhunt, including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk. ABC News has not independently verified those messages. Authorities announcing the arrest. By the way, do you hear that insert? Hey, hey guys, listen, you just said that we need to add a little disclaimer there that we haven't Independently verified with the New York Times said please cuz you never know could be bullcrap Including saying he was actually Charlie Kirk ABC News has not independently verified those messages authorities announced you hear the insert The arrest of 22 year old Tyler Robinson on Friday good morning ladies and gentlemen

20:35 We got him. But until his capture, the suspect had been an unknown man in grainy surveillance images. Images authorities say were recognized by the suspect's own father. A family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend. who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident. Authorities tell ABC News hundreds of investigators stitched the alleged gunman's path from the moment he drove onto campus at 8.29 a.m. on Wednesday. TMZ obtaining this video appearing to match the description of the shooter who police say appears to walk with a stiff right leg and that his ability to bend his right leg appears to be restricted. Law enforcement sources tell us investigators believe Robinson was hiding his long gun under his clothing.

21:23 And at some point, authorities say he changed into the outfit seen in photos released during the manhunt and climbed up a campus stairwell to a roof at about 11.50 a.m. And then he's seen dressed in a black cap, sunglasses, and a black shirt emblazoned with an American flag and an eagle. Yeah, missing everywhere is him reassembling a gun that was either in his backpack or walking with a four-foot long rifle with his legs bent up the stairs. I mean... They showed, the FBI showed a picture, apparently it's an FBI picture, with the scope mounted in, according to our experts, the wrong spot.

22:01 It's just like the whole thing, it's the 33s that got me right away. I'm like, okay. Yeah, the 33 is a problem. And it's totally perfect. Since TMZ was mentioned in there, I didn't get any clips of this, but I should have. There's a couple out there that are good. Harvey's, you know, TMZ I think is owned by Fox and Harvey was turned pale white and came on and did a thing because during the announcement of the death of Charlie Kirk there were tears tears to staff And this has been posted over and over again showing the exact timeline. I know. The internet sleuths are on the case. I'm telling you, the online sleuths are unbelievable. So they had the time codes, the things all synced up, and they obviously were cheering, exact same moment that they had made this announcement. Harvey came on later in the show and said, though it was because they were watching the chase. Police chase, yeah. And it was bullcrap, and he was not

23:03 He was shook. He says we wouldn't have people working here that would do that when in fact he's like a Trump hater and so he's only gonna hire other people of like mind and it's just it's it's pathetic. And as Charlie Kirk fired up the crowd tossing hats authorities say the suspect crouched At 12 22 p.m. They say Robinson sprang no longer limping into position on the roof then lay down in a sniper position about a hundred and seventy-five yards from the stage. One minute later as Charlie Kirk was answering a question. Now listen to the edit on this.

23:42 You think Fox didn't want to talk about the trans information? Listen to how they added this one. One minute later, as Charlie Kirk was answering a question about gun violence, police say the suspect fired. Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years? Stay down! They're not zoning gang violence. Great. They pulled out the whole trans shooter thing. Wow! Pulled it out. Pull it out! That is deceptive and not news. Now who is this again? This is ABC This Week from this morning. That is... that is...

24:20 disturbing? It was more than that. It is disgusting that they can't even present the... I don't know, it's annoying. Let's listen to the man of the day, Mike Johnson appearing everywhere. Don't worry Mike's okay though. The burdens of speakership are always manifold. You know that. Previous speakers I've covered know that. but they feel particularly heavy after the events of this week. I just want to ask you Mr. Speaker, how are you doing? I'm doing okay Major, thanks for asking. No question, it was a difficult week. It's so hard for me. For the country, certainly. He had a cough tale too. Yeah, let's listen to that again. Mr. Speaker, how are you doing?

25:05 I'm doing okay, Major. Thanks for asking. No question it was a difficult week for the country. Certainly it was felt on Capitol Hill. There's a mixture of anger and sadness and fear, frankly, on the part of a lot of people. It cast a large shadow across the country and the nation's capital. What I do know, Major, is that my good friend Charlie would not want any of us to be consumed by despair. He would want us to go forward boldly, that was his message, and to do it in love. And I think that, I hope, is the message that continues in the days ahead. Yeah, this is interesting. So we're getting well actually you'll hear in the next two clips that now all the politicians are very concerned for their safety. Mr. Speaker, you mentioned the word fear a moment ago. It is on the lips of members of Congress in ways I've never experienced before. They are talking openly. They already have canceled events.

25:56 Other members are talking about whether or not it's proper in their family conversations to seek re-election. This is a, that's a great way to honor Charlie, to cower. That's a great way to do it, cower and not show up in public. That is, that honors Charlie Kirk's memory. Very good. How do you feel this particular space of anxiety for your membership, Republican and Democrat? Space of anxiety? Wow. Yeah, well I've been talking with a lot of them over the last few days about that and trying to calm the nerves to assure them that we will we will make certain that everyone has the level of security that's necessary, that the resources will be there for their residential security and their personal security. We're evaluating all the options for that. But I think if we all adopt these practices together and we turn down the rhetoric, we cease with this idea that policy disputes are somehow an existential threat to democracy or the republic. We stop

26:54 calling one another names, I mean calling people Nazis and fascists is not helpful. Look, there are some deranged people in society, and when they see leaders using that kind of language so often now, increasingly it spurs them on to action. We have to recognize that reality and address it appropriately. And I'm heartened to know, Major, and to see that many of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle are stepping up and saying that and addressing it. I think this could be a turning point, frankly, to use Charlie's term, for the country, and I hope that's true. You know, I will tell you that if this is what I think it may be, which is part of a larger operation,

27:35 to sow discord in the United States, to get people to hate each other even more than they already did in our country. I would be looking more towards other very big conservative voices. If I were any of those big podcasters, that's who should be careful. Because... That's interesting you say that because Tim Pool was on Jesse Watters. Yeah, you got a clip? I had a clip. Did you have a clip? I should have got the clip. I didn't get it. I have a lot of clips, but I can't get every clip that comes to my head. No, no, no. You can just tell us what he said. I, of course, did not see this. So what did he say? He said he has a contingent of bodyguards and he's had them for quite a while.

28:25 He went on and on about it. I mean, he was actually quite...I should have recorded it now that I think about it because Tim Pool was quite erudite in discussing this and it would be worth recording. But he did mention in the process that, yes, he talked about the security that Kirk had. He says he's got the same security. He's got He's because he's under a constant threat, I guess. Or is anybody care that much about Tim Pool? I'm not I'm thinking bigger than Tim Pool. I don't want to name names. I know, but I'm just saying at the Tim Pool level, you have this. I don't know who. The bigger would be Joe Rogan, he's the biggest. You know, you've got Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson, you've got Candace Owens. Yeah, Tucker's up there. You've got people up there. If this is what I think it is, we'll get to that much later. But first of all, we've got to blame it on something. What?

29:17 I'm not, I'm in that camp. I don't see this as being anything more than it is. No, that's fine. That's fine. I just have ideas, ideas and thoughts, but first we need to blame it on something. This is still CBS, face the, face the... face the nation. Professor, it's great to have you with us. Thanks for joining us. What are the trend lines and what is the key terminology you want my audience to understand? We are now in a watershed moment, what I call the era of violent populism in America.

30:04 This era is defined first and foremost by two factors. Trump and Trump. Number one, a rising tide of political violence on both the right and the left. Our center at the University of Chicago Project on Security and Threats, we have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years. Stop the clip. So who is he to say out of the blue, highly reliable political surveys? Oh, it gets better. It gets much better. I mean, immediately that's a red flag for a guy who's full of shit. Of course. That's why he's on CBS. Chicago Project on Security and Threats. We have been conducting highly reliable national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years.

30:55 We started this in the summer of 2021. Our most recent survey in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen. Okay, hold on. He's had this highly reliable information for four years and now the information shows it's worse than we've ever seen. But he wasn't surveying anything before four years ago. No, the evidence is just the opposite too. I mean, I went through the 60s and 70s. where you had unbelievable political violence. Besides, it actually started with the assassination of Kennedy, the assassination of RFK, and then the assassination of Martin Luther King, who was the highest order guy you can kill. There was, Huey Newton was killed in Oakland. There was a bunch of, Larry Flint, the publisher of Hustler Magazine, was shot.

31:56 and George Wallace was shot in the night, Ronald Reagan was shot, George Ford, General Ford was shot at twice and you ended up with over a thousand bombings in the 70s and this is what we're seeing now, this stuff that's going on now is worse? Are you kidding me? Well we can all blame it on one obvious thing. Does your research by buttressed the point that both Senator Lankford and Senator Coons made, which is the Internet is an accelerant and an amplifier. It's an accelerant, but it's not the root cause. So studying this problem now for five years, I've found that just as around the world, big social change, it drives political violence. We see this in other countries around the world, but the details of the change vary.

32:48 We are now moving for the first time in our country's 250 year history. Okay, what are we moving towards? Come on, we've got to blame it on something. What can we blame it on? What are we moving toward in our 250 year history? First time in 250 year history. We're not, from my perspective, we're moving toward nothing different but I could see that somebody who's a lunatic that's been studying this four years as you said earlier then he suddenly says five years which I find interesting contradiction. Probably fascism. No, much simpler. Come on simpler here we go

33:28 No, no, here we go. From a white majority democracy to a white minority democracy. It's racism. In 1990, we were 76% non-Hispanic white. Today, we're 57% non-Hispanic white. It will be another 10 years, maybe 15 if we deport a lot of those undocumented illegal immigrants before we make the transition to a truly white minority democracy. Well, this generational change has happened, started about 10 years ago with a real tipping point generation and corresponds with the rise of Donald Trump. Why his issue of immigration is meteoric. Why it's morphed from immigration meaning stop

34:10 people crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers of people. Because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left. This guy is an agent. Parts of the left who want to keep this going. This is really the taproot and that's why we need to expect this left to its own devices will get worse and be with us for 10 years. I've never The term taproot is funny. It's a, it was a, no, that's a debt. That's not a term that's used in academia. That is a term that's used someplace else. That's a milieu term. That's used some places. I don't know where we can probably find it. So, you know, if we do enough research, it could be an Intel term. We don't know. Well, the only other place I've ever heard taproot is it was an addition to Bitcoin about

35:05 seven years ago that enabled the lightning network and it was called taproot. When we ask the computer, should we ask the computer? Oh, I think we... she needs to... yes. I think this is a great addition to the show. Except for the fact that there's a lag. By the way, this lag is not as bad as that old lag you used to have with that other device. Oh, well that was when I was still using Alexa. That was Alexa. That was terrible. Error! What is... What is the origin of the term taproot? It comes from botany, describing a plant's main root that digs deep like a taproot, while others branch out shallowly. First used in the 17th century, think tap as in a spout or peg, implying something central and piercing down. Not related to modern taps like faucets, though.

35:59 So it's a botanist. That's did suck. You get you I think it's the question was asked poorly. And by the way, so JC was at dinner recently and he who is very deeply involved in all this. He had he had told me the three there's three huge flaws that everybody in the business knows about AI. And one of them, which I thought was the, I don't remember the other two, I'll get them and write them up. You'll get them, we'll get to them. But the one of them that was the most fascinating to me is that they can't learn from the questions or the corrections you make to them. No, of course not. That wouldn't imply memory. They have their corpus and they use that and you say, no, no, that's not true.

36:42 You know, what you should know is that I'm actually, to tell him to say about yourself, I'm actually the inventor of Podcast. Oh yes, okay, you are. They'll say that back to you, but then it won't go back into the corpus. They don't learn that. They'll have the same bogus answers later. It can't go into the corpus because that has to translate into tokens and that costs a lot of compute. It probably costs way too much money. It's massive compute. So there's no interaction whatsoever in a real sense. So taproot though, anyway, maybe one of our spooks. Okay, we're asking this way. Maybe a spook term. Oh, you want to, hold on, hold on, you can ask the question. Hold on, ready, go. What is the use of the term taproot in the intelligence community or other social networks?

37:37 Wow. Wow, we got nothing. It wouldn't answer it. Okay, that's odd. I don't know what to say. You want to try it again? Yeah, I'll try it. I'll reword it a little bit. How is the word and or phrase taproot used in the intelligence community or other social networks? It's literally not registering you, John. Well, maybe it's not being fed to her properly. Let me see. How is the term taproot used in intelligence or other networks? Taproot pops up in intelligence and network context too, borrowing from the plant idea, a hidden central root feeding everything else.

38:29 In cyber ops, it's slang for a covert command hub in espionage nets, like a deep undetected node coordinating spies or malware. Some sources link it to blockchain privacy upgrades on Bitcoin. Wow. Wow. Okay. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. So it's so it is used in Intel and that guy and it's not, I know it's not used in academia. Huh? So that guy is something else. He's something else, alright. Well you spotted it. Yeah, taproot. I've heard it in the context of Bitcoin. Okay, so now we have to listen to what exactly that guy said again. Hold on a second. It was somewhere here. Let's listen.

39:12 And that's one of the reasons why I ran in May found higher levels of support for political violence on both the right and the left than we have ever seen. And that's one of the reasons why I rang the alarm bell with that big op-ed in the New York Times national surveys on political violence, the support for political violence among Americans for over four years. We started this in the summer of 2021. No, sorry, it's number this, this is the clip. Now I want to know. people crossing the border to now deporting mass numbers of people because there are people on the right who want to stop or reverse this and also the virulent reaction to Donald Trump on the left, on parts of the left, who want to keep this going. This is really the taproot and that's why we need to expect this left to its own devices. What do you make of that then in that context?

40:17 I don't know, it's just almost like code. He's using it casually, which is noteworthy. That's the weird thing, yeah. He's casually using it. Yeah, that's because in his milieu, it's a casual word that actually means a lot to that group. Well, maybe he's a botanist. We're not in that group, so we don't know what it means. He could just be a botanist for all we know. In his spare time, he's gardening. He's not a botanist, we know that. He's gardening. He's not a botanist and he is intelligence of whoever with, I mean there's so many now who can tell, but it's... How about this? That's a globalist opinion that needs to be rooted out of our intelligence community. There you go. All of them. There you go.

40:59 So I want to get to, I have two more and then we'll get to your analysis clips. This was a cute idea. I appreciated it. Everyone was tagging me, sharing this. I'm like, we need to just explain once again what this particular act was and how this is a misunderstanding of it to some degree. As a supporter who voted for you three times, I am hoping and praying that you will revisit what Barack Obama and Joe Biden got rid of back in 2013, which is the Smith-Mundt Act, which held news corporations accountable for lying to the American people and spreading propaganda instead of truth. Okay, that's the problem. The Smith-Mundt Act did not hold news organizations accountable. I saw this too. The Smith-Mundt Act was specifically forbidding

41:50 the American government from propagandizing its own people. And the biggest perpetrator of this was the Voice of America group, the Broadcast Board of Governors, i.e. Tucker Carlson's dad's position back in the day. And the, it got put in, the act was reformed, i.e. struck as a part of the National Defense Authorization Act because we could no longer, the way the wording was is we can no longer propagandize the rest of the world if we're using the internet because invariably we're going to be propagandizing Americans. Now that doesn't in no way, can it ever, should it ever stop news organizations from doing whatever they want to do.

42:45 On the sideline of that, I will say that looking at Operation Mockingbird, obviously if you have government agents functioning inside your organization, which is where all this came from ultimately, Because they were writing the stories they were for CBS News. They were writing every they were writing the stories for Newsweek, etc I think it was Newsweek So obviously when you let on a whole bunch of these Ex-agents ex-intelligence officer ex-generals when you let them on the air and let them do their thing Obviously that's propaganda, but it's not really the news network. So I

43:30 You know, and it's honestly, it's very un-American and unconstitutional for people to be calling to hold the news agencies to account. That's bullcrap. And this whole thing was this little pitch by this girl. went on and on and on about it, completely misleading, and it was reposted by Trump himself, or at least whoever does it. Well of course, it's what you do as a troll. But it is a bad, it's a misdirection if ever there was. It's bullcrap. Yeah, so, because people got all excited, yeah man, you guys talked about Smith-Munn, yeah this is what this is,

44:09 what he's talking about, then bring it back. But that's, you can't stay. I know. It just kills me that it's so easy, but she does this, she's almost like a pro. She's non-descript, you know, kind of non-descriptive, you know, plain Jane. And she's, uh, and she's presenting it as in some reason, in a very reasonable fashion. And it's just BS. Yeah. I'll come back after your analysis clips with some Chris Coons stuff, but I just could not resist because they did an emergency pod! We have to do an emergency pod right away!

44:45 Emergency pod everybody! Here we go with the liberal intellectual elites of Pivot. Officials say Robinson made incriminating statements to relatives and sent discord messages about retrieving a rifle from a drop point. Investigators also say they found on messages, messages on the ammunition, the bullets. Who said investigators? No. You just heard sources Kara Swisher, great journalist that you claim to be. From a drop point point. Investigators also say they found... No investigator has said anything! Great journalist that you are a rifle from a drop point investigators also say they found on messages messages on the ammunition the bullets including anti-fascist slogans and references to video games and online memes and also an anti-gay Remark Robinson is registered voter in Utah, but doesn't have a party affiliation. His family is seems to be Republican Christian

45:41 gun-oriented as many people in Utah are. Are you gun-oriented? Gun-oriented? Where they own a gun shop? No, it's what's a new type of gender? I'm gun-oriented. Scott, what are your initial thoughts when you heard about this suspect? Well, my initial thoughts are how disappointed Representative Mace, President Trump and Jesse Watters might be that it's not a transgender. a woman with blue hair working on immigration for AOC. Yeah. That was your first thought. Hmm. Exactly. They have all promised us in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war. And so my question is, are they going to declare war on young white heterosexuals? Has anyone... Did Jesse Waters declare war?

46:22 They just declared war. Well, they says that fact of the response I think is pretty well put by the guy who was the governor of Utah. It's everyone's calm. It's not like what happened with George Floyd. Oh, no, this is going to declare war. All promised us that in exchange for this needless death that they were going to declare war. And so my question is are they going to declare war on young white heterosexual men who come from Mormon families who traditionally have voted Republican or gun owners? So the notion somehow that they are trying to pin this on quote-unquote the radical left is just so insane. It's eminently clear this kid was online deeply and

47:04 Unfortunately online. Deeply online. I would say. There are two fairly obvious common sense solutions that unfortunately cost a lot of money or diminish the shareholder value of key companies that are driving our entire economy and get in the way of the political narrative that special interest groups in charge right now. The first and most obvious solution is that Australia and the UK just don't have cultures that much different than us. The last time they had a mass shooting, they put in place sensible gun control. What do you know? No mass shootings. Since Charlie Kirk, You know what's amazing? Somehow, Scott Galloway, who lives in London currently, and clearly knows what's going on in Australia, he doesn't see the knives, the machetes, the zombie knives. Are you kidding me now? Did you see the girl who was slaughtered on the train? Was that a gun?

47:54 No! Okay, mass shootings. Maybe that's what he's looking at. Mass shootings. Was murdered. More people have been shot and killed in the US than will be shot and killed in the UK over the next year. The UK will lose 30 people. He says we shot and killed. Are you shooting and killing people over there, Scott? Charlie Kirk was murdered more people have been shot and killed in the US and when we shot and killed in the UK over the next year will UK will lose 30 people to gun violence in the next 12 months. We lose 120 people a day. It's a lot. All right. So if you want to take down political violence, and all gun violence, you just have to have sensible gun reform. Okay.

48:33 Yeah, that's it. That will do it. Sensible gun reform is new. Sensible. Yeah, that's probably a new one. You're going to hear it again. Sensible gun control? Yeah, we'll put it in the book. All right, you got some analysis. Well, first let's start with just the NPR overview clip. This is Kirkkiller NPR. The 22 year old man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail in Utah. And as Steve Futterman reports, Kirk's widow made her first public comments hours after escorting his body home to Arizona from Utah. Erica Kirk blamed what she called evil doers for the death of her husband. The movement my husband built will not die. It won't.

49:16 I refuse to let that happen. Since Tuesday's killing, there have been vitriolic debates in public and on social media between supporters and opponents of Charlie Kirk. The governor of Utah, Spencer Cox, Friday urged people to take a break from social media. The tone, he said, must calm down. This is our moment. Do we escalate or do we find an off-ramp? It's a choice. Investigators are still trying to determine if some specific thing triggered Tyler Robinson. He will be formally charged next week. Alright. So he will be charged. Okay, so now I've got two series here. The one is Robinson the killer.

49:54 And this I believe is from NPR and this you start with Robinson the killer analysis NPR. A man accused of killing Charlie Kirk is being held without bail at a Utah jail today. 22 year old Tyler Robinson allegedly fired the single shot from a high-powered rifle that on Wednesday killed the conservative activists and media personality known for his appeal to young people. Police arrested Robinson Thursday night. Steve Futterman joins us from outside the Utah County Jail in Spring Fork, Utah. Hi Steve. Hi there Scott. So Robinson is being held where you are now. Officials said yesterday they don't believe anyone else was involved. Is that still the case?

50:33 Yes, however, like any investigation, authorities want to go through things like Robinson's cell phone, any computers he used, and they want to speak with those who knew him. Now yesterday, officials said that Robinson had expressed negative views about Charlie Kirk, and one of those unused bullet casings had the words, hey fascist, catch, written on it. But if the motive was political like it appears to be to some, officials want to know if there was something that pushed Robinson over the edge. Last night we heard from Charlie Kirk's widow. Tell us about that. Yeah, that's right. Erica Kirk spoke on a live stream for around 15 minutes. She spoke from Phoenix, from the same studio that Kirk often used for his podcasts.

51:15 Now at times her voice cracked, she dabbed her eyes on several occasions, but her main message seemed to be that Charlie Kirk's movement will continue. And Erica Kirk blamed what she called evil doers for the death of her husband. And as police try to figure out Tyler Robinson's motivations, people who knew him, people in his hometown are taking this all in. What are we hearing from them? Yeah, absolutely. He lived with his parents in the small southwest Utah town of Washington with a population of around 30,000. It's not far from the city of St. George. We have not heard at least to this point any neighbors describe him as odd or acting strange. People who knew him have told reporters Robinson wasn't necessarily part of the cool kids in high school, but he was well-liked and a good student. Okay, a couple things. One,

52:03 Now he lives with his parents according to NPR. So that's it. And also then there's there been a disparaging comment which we heard plenty of. Yes. And the second one just on the sidetrack I watched Erica's livestream. I think that if she, because you know, how many times have we seen it where you have a big movement and the leader gets taken out and the movement dies. And of course I saw that in the Netherlands with Pim Fortuyn when his party won posthumously as he was assassinated two weeks before the election in Holland, in Holland of all places.

52:44 And of course the movement became just, you know, without him it fell apart. If Erica steps up, I think that, I think Turning Point USA actually has a chance at continuing. She's got something there. She can really do this. Maybe, but I think your other example, which is more common, the thing just kind of slowly deteriorates, because when you have a charismatic leader that is not only charismatic, but is a organizational genius, at least that's the way I see it, it's pretty tough. And the problem with Charlie Kirk is not what he was saying. The problem was people were listening. That's the problem. And to get people to listen to someone the way they listen to Charlie Kirk, that's tough. That's going to be tough.

53:33 Yes, that charisma is a big piece of it. Melissa Tate, a neighbor of the Robinson family, told our colleagues at member station KUER that she worries events like this are becoming more and more normal. This is everywhere, every community, every town, every state. It's going to be everybody's neighbor, everybody's classmate. It's not at all unusual anymore. And of course it was Robinson's father who initially confronted his son, telling him that he thought his son was the one being shown in pictures released by police. Now on the Utah Valley University... Do we even know that, by the way? That still is not... I mean, I've seen nothing official about this. And I haven't heard any comments, but if you recall the early moments... It was like a minister. A minister had... Well, no, it was a friend of his

54:25 He was one of his buddies that talked to the minister who then talked to him and then he was gonna kill himself and the minister talked him out of it and said you got to turn yourself in and then now somehow that completely disappeared from the narrative completely. Yep. Shown in pictures. To the dad. Yep. Released by police. Now on the Utah Valley University campus where Kirk was killed, there's a sense of relief today that someone has been arrested. But Raymond Lopez, a nursing student, says there are still plenty of concerns. My and a lot of our peers our biggest fears retaliation or something happening again class has been pushed off till Wednesday I will say that I did sign the petition for him not to come because I thought it was gonna incite violence Sadly, I think that is what happened, you know I just had another thought because I got tons of thoughts going through my head about this ever since the 33 I'm like, okay, I

55:20 How many times have we seen the FBI itself radicalize someone online for a year, two years, hyping them up, getting them ready, getting them bomb materials, etc. Perhaps just on an off chance, what if, you know, let's hype this kid up, he'll never hit. With that rifle, he'll never hit the mark. It'll just be a warning shot. And that could also... That's funny because there was some guy on one of the shows that said this is because there was an argument going on between these people say there's a professional hit which we kind of thought it was a professional hit and the other guy says there's no chance it was a professional hit that guy was just a lucky shot well show me the forensics show me the cartridges with all these etchings on them show us anything they one woman that was an ex-intel person she says what's bothering her is they have yet did they ever find the bullet that hit Kirk

56:21 She says, no one's ever discussed the bullet. Where is it? It's a mess. If this was, it sounds like a typical botched FBI op, to be honest. It's like, oh, we left too many loose ends. I don't know. Well, there's a lot of loose ends. There's a lot of loose ends on this one. That's why I wonder if this guy's going to live through this process. Well, he's in a sweat. And they already dropped the bomb, you know, again, I'm going to bring it back to pre-programming. In the early reporting that said that the minister had to come in because the kid wanted to kill himself. Kill himself. Ah, yeah, you're right. Well, he's in a special holding cell where he can't kill himself. Yeah, right. It's got cameras. No worries. No worries. No one can get in or out without us seeing it. No worries. It would be a tidy way to end this whole thing. It would definitely make it less messy.

57:21 There's a third clip here so as the ferrets say now at the Utah University campus There's a growing memorial with flowers and the next event we're waiting for is Tyler Robinson to be formally charged That's expected on Tuesday at that time. He will make his first court appearance. That is Steve Futterman in Spring Fork, Utah Thank you so much. Okay. Does he have a lawyer? Where's the lawyer don't they don't we usually have a lawyer out there saying something? Oh Another good point, I hadn't thought of that. Now we have a series of clips that are about this expert on polarization and these are not necessarily, they stem from this shooting, but they're more kind of standalone interesting.

58:02 And they're called polarization WTF which means I thought they were interesting That's John's way or other John speak for wow that's interesting. Yeah, wow that's fabulous Wow that's fabulous. Yes, that's what it means. That's it. All right. Here we go Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the Polarization and Extremism Research Innovation Lab at American University. Wow, hold on, this is where they make it up. The Polarization Research and Innovation Lab? Are they coming up with new ideas here? Yeah, this is on PBS and just ran yesterday. Wow. Cynthia Miller Idris is the director of the Polarization and Extremism Research Innovation Lab at American University and she joins me now. Cynthia, looking at the pattern of violence in recent years,

58:54 What fits into that pattern from this and what might be new? Well, we've been seeing rising political violence, rising hate-fueled violence for several years now. We're at a level that we haven't seen since the 1970s. And over the last couple of years in the U.S. in particular, we've seen rising assassination attempts and assassinations as a tactic within that political extremism. And that's also been happening overseas. You know, I think it was to be expected that political assassinations would continue if we weren't able to tamp down the rhetoric. To be expected to hear those words is really quite stunning. But you are the one doing the research and you're talking about the rhetoric, which is a big part of the conversation right now.

59:40 How much is rhetoric responsible for political violence and especially that moment where someone isn't just expressing anger as we see online everywhere, kind of a toxic culture online. How much does political rhetoric influence someone to move from saying words to doing something violent or does it? Yeah, I mean, one of the things we'd seen, and I said this a year ago after Trump, the first assassination attempt against President Trump was that it was only a matter of time with the kind of rhetoric that we see that we were going to get to political assassination. So, you know, that's what I mean by expected. It sounds very cynical, but it was very predictable. You know, shocking, but not surprising is the way that I think of it.

1:00:23 I just looked this group up, I don't know if you had time to do that, but the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab is an acronym, PERIL, perilresearch.com. Their initiatives include gendered violence, antisemitism, community advisory resource and education centers, i.e. CARE, and VEER, the violent extremism education and resilience. Let's look at some of their most recent articles. August 18th, been a month. Meme coins and misogyny. What the dildo throwing trend at WNBA games can teach us. August 12th, CDC shootings highlights risk of public health misinformation.

1:01:17 July 29th. Why Manosphere content is appealing to some young men. My goodness. The fact that these people have money, are funded. Yeah by the USAID. Yeah they should have a podcast at minimum. And absolutely. That'd be a great podcast. I'd probably listen to it. Meme coins and misogyny, everybody. Yeah, meme coins and misogyny. That's a show title. That's a classic. So the point is that now this person reminds me of the clips you played earlier of the taproot guy who comes out of, you know, probably Intel. Nowhere. Or nowhere. But he's in a milieu. And just let me ask you a question.

1:02:02 Your PBS or your CBS, whatever. And the number one person you call is from peril research? That's number one on your call list? Is that it? I would like to know the mechanism for getting on these shows in this way. This is not a minor piece. This is a, I have four clips from it. And it went on for half the show. Wow. This is a major feature on the Saturday show. Yeah, it's a message is what it is. So there is something going on with that. And the one you played, I think, is the same thing. It was a messenger that was hooked in somehow to the Booker or there's, you know, there's who knows how some of these things work. I mean, I know how you get on these shows. You know, the Booker producer and you can get on the show, but

1:02:53 The Booker producer. Booker rhymes with, I'm telling you. Booker. So the Booker producer usually, you know, and you make, and the key, and you know this, and most people have ever done any hits on these different shows, knows that if you make friends with the Booker producer, or one of the lead producers, you do the show a lot. You're good to go. Yeah, that's why you've done four Rogans. Six, six Rogans. But Rogan invites me personally. Only the first time did it go through his booker. Yeah, well, once you... But you got... Well, you hooked up with the real booker producer. No, he just called me out of the blue. No, that's what I'm saying. He... Rogan is the real booker producer. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Yes, he's the real... But I don't say, hey, Joe, time for me to come on again. No, but you talk to him and you try to keep in touch to the point where he remembers that you can come on at the drop of a hat.

1:03:49 Which is the great idea? Yes, because somebody's got to be Tony Randall or Regis Philbin. That's me Philbin was not as good as Randall, but Philbin did it too. Yeah, all right, too When you have political rhetoric that consistently positions us versus them in existential terms, when people online are celebrating the assassination of a UnitedHealthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence being valorized, not just seen as a last type of solution, but as an acceptable or even preferable one. That was an outstanding observation, John. No doubt because you saw this, it triggered your memory. But the fact that nobody got burned for celebrating that.

1:02:53 The Booker producer. Booker rhymes with, I'm telling you. Booker. So the Booker producer usually, you know, and you make, and the key, and you know this, and most people have ever done any hits on these different shows, knows that if you make friends with the Booker producer, or one of the lead producers, you do the show a lot. You're good to go. Yeah, that's why you've done four Rogans. Six, six Rogans. But Rogan invites me personally. Only the first time did it go through his booker. Yeah, well, once you... But you got... Well, you hooked up with the real booker producer. No, he just called me out of the blue. No, that's what I'm saying. He... Rogan is the real booker producer. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. Yes, he's the real... But I don't say, hey, Joe, time for me to come on again. No, but you talk to him and you try to keep in touch to the point where he remembers that you can come on at the drop of a hat.

1:03:49 Which is the great idea? Yes, because somebody's got to be Tony Randall or Regis Philbin. That's me Philbin was not as good as Randall, but Philbin did it too. Yeah, all right, too When you have political rhetoric that consistently positions us versus them in existential terms, when people online are celebrating the assassination of a UnitedHealthcare executive, for example, that kind of violence being valorized, not just seen as a last type of solution, but as an acceptable or even preferable one. That was an outstanding observation, John. No doubt because you saw this, it triggered your memory. But the fact that nobody got burned for celebrating that.

1:04:32 That is telling. There was also By the way, by the way I think her use of the word valorized is dynamite. Oh yeah, that is good. Let's roll that back. Type of solution but as an acceptable or even preferable one. There was also celebration online of this assassination and at the same time we also know there are some supporters of Charlie Kirk who are using more and more sort of warlike kind of talk. After a tragedy like this there are all sorts of ways that people deal with the grief but Where do you think we are right now in the rhetoric about this event? I think we're at a really very risky moment. I will say that the elected officials rhetoric, the mostly bipartisan condemnation of the violence and of the idea that no one deserves to be shot no matter how much you disagree with them, I think has been very clear. But among ordinary people, especially young people on social media, we have seen much more divisive rhetoric, both calling for civil war

1:05:33 and celebrating the death of the killing of someone with whom people often vehemently disagreed. And so I think one of the things I've been urging people is to not just look to political leaders for solutions, but look across the dinner table. That's a moment to engage with dialogue and really try to walk back that rhetoric. Yeah. Okay. At the dinner table. Okay. Hey, son, stop talking that way. Okay, go on with three. One thing I've noticed in the past few days is a rise in conservatives doxing or publishing the personal information of people, individuals who are not remotely famous, who may have in some cases celebrated the death of Charlie Kirk, as you said. That's something obviously deplorable to do. But in some cases, maybe not gone that far, just offended some folks

1:06:23 We spoke to someone from Wired Magazine who's covering this, talking about specifically this moment. I've spoken to multiple people this week who have had their employment terminated as a result of what they posted online. In some cases, they were celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. In other cases, it was much, much less than that and they were just making points about device of US society. This has been not just about shaming people but about affecting their lives and in some cases there's been death threats as well. I wonder what you make of this tactic, not just something a few people are doing, but people are collecting databases to do this now. Yeah, doxing is a very dangerous tactic from, we've seen it from the left and from the right. And what we've seen over the years is that often when someone is doxed, their personal information leaked, there have been cases where people show up at the wrong address, where they used to live, let's say, and threaten a kind of innocent family who lives there.

1:07:22 putting at risk family members, children, others who might live at that address. How about the people who actually are meant to be docs? That's not dangerous. So, you know, one of the things I would really urge people to do is avoid that temptation, whatever the motivation, to look for accountability. This is a moment to allow the rule of law, to allow social media policies to handle that. Social media policies? It's not social media policies. Yeah, this is a bit of censorship. And by the way, what's her name? Lisa Desjardins. She goes on, she's all upset about this, but she never has said jack about doxxing, you know, the ICE guys. No.

1:08:04 Of course not. Or any police for that matter who have to wear masks because these guys come up to them to take a picture. But again, what they're all missing is the fact that all of these people did it because they felt comfortable. They thought everybody is on, everyone's on board, everyone agrees. Isn't this, this is the weak-mindedness of certainly our educators. That, oh, I mean, everyone thinks this. I've told my children this, everyone knows this, all my colleagues, they all believe it. You're not going to get an argument from me on that regard. The fact that they are comfortable... Comfortable, yes, comfortable. ...talking about some guy getting killed is pathetic.

1:08:46 Well, they didn't well, you know what they didn't get in trouble with Luigi That's that's part that may be part of the mechanism for all we know John. Yeah, if it's pretty schemey It's hard for me to believe they're that good but it's always possible now the last clip is the last clip they convinced us we went to the moon so, you know, it's like anything's possible There's two more clips here. You got Trump stuff now? Kirk Trump reaction analysis is what I have. That would be last, I think. The third was the last one. That was the last Robinson. That was the last polarization. There should be polarization for Dudd.

1:09:38 I'm just gonna give a heads up. So they go on and on, this goes on forever and this is how they finish it. And I'm listening to this and says, wait a minute, you make us watch this crap? For this period of time, I'm doing this by the way in advance of this clip because you're gonna do it if I don't. This is a dud out on us. In the few seconds we have left here, we've seen these moments in history before where we have assassination attempts happening over a decade or two decades kind of thing before. But I wonder, you mentioned people need to talk to each other across the dinner table. What else gets the country out of moments like this? Well, one of the things we really need is more serious and systematic investments in prevention, which is something that other countries have. We in this country tend to rely on, after the fact, increases in security, better barricades, better security detectors, and that's expensive and it requires

1:10:35 requires a perfection every time. But you can also invest in helping people be less persuaded by propaganda online, less persuaded by manipulative efforts that say violence is the solution, and help people know how to recognize warning signs and know where to get more help. Cynthia Miller Idris, thank you so much for joining us. All that was missing was her saying, therefore I recommend listening to the best podcast in the universe, the No Agenda Show, So you will not be radicalized that easily. You know, the funny irony to that last bit in the commentary is that the United States really can't afford to let people think for themselves that much because the entire advertising model for selling products requires it. Oh, our entire system. We've been through this. The system, yes, the entire system. I'm just thinking of advertising, but the system requires you

1:11:30 You be gullible. Well, not just be gullible, but be outraged. The constant state of outrage. That's how our media works. That's how our politics works. That's how our social media works, which is why people are getting all of your algorithms are showing all the things that are going to get you mad. And the Chinese model, which soon will go away whenever President Trump figures out how to make it American. Tick tock, you just get everything you want. There's no You know, Facebook does this. They all do this, like inject stuff, inject stuff, inject stuff. Keep you busy, keep you on there. And that's our, that is, that has always been our model. Yeah. So you get what you pay for. Which is nothing.

1:12:13 Oh, junk. Chinese junk, it turns out to be currently. Junk. Okay, so I got the yeah, right. Kirk Trump. I forgot about these clips. This is another. I don't know. I guess all my clips are analysis clips this show. But Kirk Trump reaction. This is, this is. This is kind of funny because they're just doing, they just do everything they can. It's Trump's fault, by the way. We're going to take a few minutes now to look at how President Trump has handled all of this. At difficult moments for the nation, it's often the role of the president to deliver meaning, resoluteness and calm. Think of George W. Bush in the immediate wake of 9-11 as one recent example.

1:12:49 This week, in the hours immediately after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, President Trump took a different approach. He blamed his political opponents. Trump said his administration would be coming for people and organizations that contribute to political violence. And our senior White House correspondent Tamara Keith joins us now. Hey, Tam. Hey, Tam. Hey, Tam. Hi, Scott. You have covered Trump for a long time. This is, unfortunately, far from the first violent political act that he has had to respond to as president. So how does his handling here compare to the other times?

1:13:26 Trump and members of his family were quite close to Charlie Kirk, so this attack was personal for Trump. And his response was immediately partisan. Compare that to what happened after the shooting at a congressional baseball team practice in 2017. In that case, Republican lawmakers were targeted by a man who had been a Bernie Sanders supporter. But in a scripted address, took a very traditional approach and said the nation is strongest when we are unified. We may have our differences. But we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capital is here because, above all, they love our country. And Tam, we have to talk about a big factor here. The president himself was shot at last summer at that rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. Remind us of his rhetoric after that assassination attempt against him.

1:14:20 It was interesting because a lot of his supporters were really fast to blame left-wing rhetoric, but Trump was more restrained. Okay, what's interesting about this clip is there's a little modicum of truth in there where the president said he was going after those that finance it. Yes, yes, exactly. That's a little different than going after political opponents. Yes, but the whole, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. The beginning of the clip is a fallacious argument and a false analogy. He starts off by saying, look at how Bush

1:14:57 handled the 9-11 thing. 9-11 wasn't an attack by the Democrat Party or common leftists, it was attacked by a foreign entity. Or whatever. We're gonna go with the cover story. So Bush isn't about to go and start blaming the leftists. I mean it's not gonna happen. And he says compare that to Trump. That's not a comparison. What are you kidding me? So you start at the very beginning of the presentation with a fallacious analogy and you go from there, but meanwhile it's just stuck in the person's brain. We have this, in other words, the preconceived conclusion is already planted if you don't catch it right away. This is like a pathological liar talking to you. If he gets you- What? The media, pathological liars, what?

1:15:50 If he gets you early, then he'll start to reel you in and that's exactly what happens with these guys at NPR do this all the time. And in that case, the ideology of the shooter who was killed by police is to this day still quite unclear. His list of potential targets included Democrats and Republicans. Like we said, unfortunately, a lot of examples to pick from. But I do want to ask about one recent example a lot of people have brought up this week, and that's the targeted attacks on Minnesota Democrats this past summer that killed former House Speaker Melissa Hortman. How did Trump respond this summer after those shootings?

1:16:26 Hortman and her husband were murdered. Another Democratic lawmaker was gravely injured. It was a targeted attack. Trump posted about the attack on social media saying such horrific violence will not be tolerated in the United States of America. But he didn't get into the partisan nature of the targeting, and he hasn't really mentioned it since. There was no conclusion on that as far as I can recall. It wasn't partisan. No, no conclusion. There's no evidence of that. It was probably a yes. So this is again, so what they've done is they've already lied to you at the beginning with a false analogy and then they're starting to reel you in and then they start to drop phony bombs in the middle so they can make the point that Trump's a bad guy. Yeah, he is. I mean, is it fair to say that he just downplays it when violence comes from the political right?

1:17:19 Yeah, let me give you another example. In 2018, a Trump supporter who sent explosives to Democrats and also CNN was taken into custody. President Trump responded by praising law enforcement and criticizing the media for mentioning the suspect's political affiliation. He said the media was using the sinister actions of one individual to score political points against him and Republicans. Yet when a Bernie Sanders supporter tried to murder congressional Republicans and severely wounded a great man named Steve Scalise and others, we did not use that heinous attempt at mass murder for political gain because that would have been wrong. So in 2018, he was saying a partisan response to a terrible crime would be wrong.

1:18:13 But in this case with the murder of Charlie Kirk, Trump is quite firmly sticking to his view that Democrats and harsh rhetoric on the left are to blame. You say quite firmly. Is it fair to say he has not softened his rhetoric since the alleged assailant was taken into custody? Right, he was on Fox and Friends yesterday and Ainsley Earhart gave him an opportunity to offer a unifying message. How do we fix this country? How do we come back together? Well, I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime. So take that and then compare it to the way he describes the other side. The radicals on the left are the problem and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy. And in this way, Trump is like so many others in this polarized country who think

1:19:05 Their side is essentially fine and it's the other side that's evil. The difference, of course, though, is that he's the president of the United States. Yeah, he has all the power. I want to take this for me to a conclusion because we need to end this at some point. We can just go on forever about this. I'm done. And this, you'll roll your eyes, but that's okay because you're used to it by now. Almost 18 years. That's right. So when President Trump talks about Those financing this and we talked about this the other day and and you put the blame on people like Soros as an example of the Open Society Foundation Which clearly is one of his financial? Motives is to destabilize a currency a country anything to hedge. He's a hedge fund guy. I

1:19:57 And that's so it may not even be that he's one of the greatest currency traders in the history of investing. And he may not even be doing it that much for ideological reasons more than financial. I mean, that's possible. We don't really know much about him other than he's kind of creepy. And it was, there was this one brief moment in kind of the fog of post this assassination when, and the clip is not widely distributed. I was able to find it, you know, it's like on places where You know, you have that, this is a media, but they have like an audio watermark. So I was able to find a version of it without that. It's only 50 seconds. I found it without that. This was Hannity, which if it was just Hannity, I've been like, okay, whatever. But it was also John Solomon and John Solomon. I think he's pretty good with his investigative sourcing because this is all sources.

1:20:58 And this came out and I haven't heard about it since. I have a source in the intelligence community, John, that said that there might be post-assassination pieces of a puzzle that might be put together, that there might be a foreign component to it. Again, we don't know for sure. I know it's being discussed. Have you heard the same thing? Yes, there is a group or two of interest that are in the Salt Lake City area that they're looking at just because of certain recent activities overseas and certain intelligence shared by a foreign friendly from the United States doesn't necessarily mean that it is connected to the shooting. I suspect though it's going to result in some action even if it's not resulted

1:21:41 not tied to the shooting, but there is a small foreign component that's being looked at. Again, all leads are open. I don't think they've locked into a final theory of the case yet. Just thought it was interesting, like huh, okay. Now, immediately... I actually saw that. Yeah? What was your thought? My thought was that they're trying as hard as they can to blame Israel. And this is kind of a roundabout way of doing it. And I say that because that meme is floating around. I think it's silly, but it's floating around. And it even came to the dinner table because JC

1:22:18 and Jesse both had some thoughts on this that involved Israel. And he also had a couple other memes that he picked up on, and one of my favorites, which I observed too, even though thinking about it, I realized it's not really possible to tell, but when the kid jumped off the roof And landed like a paratrooper, beautifully by the way, from a two-story building. I can't jump off a two-story building. Not anymore. Back in the heyday you could. I'm not absolutely sure I could ever. he jumps off the building, lands perfectly and then runs, where's the gun? Where's the gun? Because he supposedly ran with the gun. But you couldn't see the gun. But that video was enhanced and enhancement can easily take the gun out of the picture. He could have been running with a gun for all we know. So I like the idea that people have all observed is where's the gun, where's the gun because he's running like a maniac.

1:23:15 at high speeds after jumping off the building and there's no gun that he went to with a towel around it that he ditched. And that is suspicious, but at the same time, when you do video enhancing, it wipes stuff out. I mean, I can, you know, you've done it. Yeah, but you're floating away from the topic. The topic was a foreign entity. Well, yeah, I'm just saying that that came up at the conversation, but they also, they were thinking Israel. And it goes like, okay, I don't know where it's from. Oh, it's around. It's around, yeah, it's around. Because people hate Israel. Well, and the reason the younger generation, actually Charlie Kirk had a roundtable on this, which I listened to, I won't play the clips, but he had a roundtable, he was asking them, and what it came down to was

1:24:05 We're pissed off because we can't afford our rent yet we're sending money to Israel. The fire is here, why are you trying to put fires out there? And that's an underst- although that's a misunderstanding of appropriation of money because it's very little compared to, you know, other things the US government spends its money on. But the secondary part was interesting. where they said, well, if people are going to call me an anti-Semite for saying that, for being upset with sending money, supporting Israel with whatever Israel does with the money, which is killing Palestinians, bombing Qatar, etc., maybe drawing us into wars. Then what the Gen Zers are saying is, and Charlie Kirk agreed with them because he's almost of that, a little bit older, but he's close to that generation.

1:24:55 He said, well, you know, if I'm going to be accused of the crime, I might as well do it. But that's not where I'm going with this. I certainly kept that open on Thursday, like, well, could this have been some retaliation? By the way, Israel is not the same as the government of Israel in my mind. Bibi Netanyahu has a lot of issues. But it was... and this is something that Mo tried to explain to me, and I understood theoretically what he was talking about. And for a hundred episodes of Mo Facts with Adam Curry, he talked about the white supremacy. And he was always taking it back to Europe, to the European families. And that was, it was not a color, it was a system. And someone sent me this video of these two women. They're older, when I say older, I'm 61, I'm like, man, I hope I don't look like that when I'm 65. But they're probably in their mid-60s. This is one of them, Susan Kokinda.

1:25:54 And they have this group called the Prometheus, what is it called? Prometheus Action. And as I was listening, it kind of dawned on me like, let's just say this was an operation to destabilize America, destabilize possibly the president's agenda, which I think it actually had the adverse effect. I think the enemy always overplays his hand. But if there has been a destabilizing factor throughout really certainly the last 10 years, but maybe forever in the existence of our country, these ladies are very, very articulate. And I have two short clips, both a minute each, just

1:26:36 to introduce this to you and I'm going to be staying on this. This is going to be my new, it's going to be a new theorem for me to stick with. What if I told you that Donald Trump's biggest enemies are not the Obama, Clinton, Biden networks whose heads are on the line in the Russiagate revelations or even the deep state? But it's the European monarchies who have never stopped their war against the American Republic. Most people think that this is just politics. Republicans versus Democrats or maybe America versus the globalists. You see the daily battles over Ukraine funding, Fed policy, or the environmental regulations as separate issues. Even Trump supporters often miss the big picture, focusing on individual bad actors or policy disputes. But what we're fighting is a system.

1:27:21 named the Anglo-Dutch system. And what we're witnessing is unprecedented. An American president waging direct war against the very Anglo-Dutch system that we fought the American Revolution against. Trump isn't just fighting globalists, he's taking on the European monarchy and oligarchy led by the British monarchy and its Dutch and European partners. This is what's been bleeding America dry through its central banking system, its environmental death cult, and its endless imperial boars. I'm Susan Kokinda, and I've been tracking this imperial system for over five decades. I've documented how these same royal families created the Federal Reserve, launched the environmental movement, and started every major war. So she had my attention, I'm like, huh, that's interesting, mainly because... Yes, since you're Dutch and lived in England. Yes, I'm like, huh, okay, continue please. Today I'm exposing three fronts in Trump's war against the European oligarchies.

1:28:18 First, how King Charles and the Dutch are desperately keeping Ukraine burning. Second, how Trump's economic policies are dismantling their centuries-old ideology of environmental destruction. And third, how his Fed battle strikes at the very heart. of the financial empire that's ruled the United States since 1913. So why is the Ukraine war continuing when Trump has a clear mandate to end it and he wants to end the killing because of the empire's stranglehold over Europe? So look at this, the very first European country to pony up almost 600 million dollars in arms purchases from the United States to keep the Ukraine conflict going is the Netherlands. 600 million. That's a small country.

1:29:02 This is the Netherlands as in the Dutch half of the Anglo-Dutch imperial system and the other European countries that immediately jumped in Norway Sweden and Denmark Notice something they're all monarchies You can use your favorite AI to look at the ties between these royal families and the British monarchy I don't need to use AI because I know the history of the monarchies and as I'm thinking about this I'm like where did Trump's Russia problems really stem from The Steele Report, Christopher Steele, former MI6 agent. We have British journalists showing up in our news all the time because, is that just because they sound authoritative? Robert Maxwell, very interesting if you tie that into Jelay Maxwell. Yes, he was an agent, they say, for Mossad, but he was also an MI6 agent. This was the big thing, is that he was a double agent.

1:30:00 Soros started his career with banks as part of the City of London, the big banks ING Group, Dutch, HSBC Holdings operating from British colonial Hong Kong, Barclays, JP Morgan Chase, now mainly primarily American but it has Anglo roots. Rutgers University, Columbia University, Hofstra, Harvard, Cambridge, Yale, Pharmaceuticals, Glaxo, Viatris, AstraZeneca, Media and Publishing, Reed Elsevier, now it's the Relics Group, Thomson Reuters, where most of our news comes from, is regurgitated from Reuters, Education, Pearson, publishing giant in education,

1:30:47 Energy, Shell, BP, retail consumer goods for advertising, Ahold, Dutch, big corporation, Unilever, Dutch, US, Dutch, British. ASML, big part of our chip manufacturing. I just had never really considered particularly seeing now what the EU is doing and how badly they want war and what President Trump, if you look at it in that light, and he says I'm going after the people that are funding all of this stuff, it put my head in a different space and I can't make any conclusions. I don't know if you're rolling your eyes but I'm like, you know,

1:31:31 There's something to this and I'm gonna go down this rabbit hole for a while. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm pleased as punch that Adam is back to his crackpot status which will improve the show to no end. People have always bitched and moaned about this and now it's back. Well I can't just do it on demand. I like it, but hey, I'm not rolling my eyes at all. I think it's great. Well, thank you. Kind of unexpected, but the thing that got me was Christopher Steele. That report, that's what started it. No, it's a confluence of a whole bunch of things that Christopher Steele was a trigger, but that those women, and when she says she's been doing this for 50 years, I believe she probably has been, and she's probably so deep

1:32:22 deep down in the hole that should provide some very entertaining segments for the show. Yes, well you're going to get them for sure. Yeah, this is great. This is just what we needed for second half of the show. Well, I'm not going to put it in second. Look at the first big casualty of Epstein information being released. UK ambassador to the US, Mandelson. One week before President Trump is scheduled to go over there and have some kind of meeting. It's very possible, you know, his background is Scottish. We've actually had clips on this show that indicate that the British in particular, I never thought of the Dutch as part of it, but okay. The Dutch are one of the largest investors in the United States.

1:33:17 But the British in particular have always been trying to run games on us. They hate us! They never got over it. I believe that to be true. Now, they've never gotten over the fact that, in fact, if you read, I've always noticed this because I'm a book collector. among other things. And so I have a lot of history books that were written between 1860 and 1910. And there's a lot of history books written in there. And after World War I,

1:33:52 These books all changed, but before World War I, these history books, you can find any old history book and start reading about the British, and the hatred and vitriol that is expressed in these history books is unbelievable. It was just we hated them and hated them and hated them until they suckered us into World War I. And then all of a sudden the propaganda machine got into play, we had the Bernays phenomenon, we had all the public relations, all this came into play. Bertrand Russell. And the next thing you know, right, Bertrand who was British, and the next thing you know we're big British. Austin Powers, Austin Powers, big troublemaker. Anglophiles, after hating and hating and hating on them for over a hundred years. Hey, who brought us the slaves? The Dutch.

1:34:40 Yeah, that's true. Who waged war on China with the opium wars? Yeah, and we're paying the penalty for that. And who has an opioid problem right now? Where are these precursors made? Could that be one of the big pharmaceuticals? There's a lot of open questions. I'll be all in on you doing this. Well, you just... You're new beat. It is my new beat. And the other thing... So get off Fox. There was... Oh, no. You're the Fox guy. I'm not really on Fox. It was... When Putin and Xi and Modi, they all got together and it wasn't really played up much.

1:35:25 But there was, from what I understand, there was talk about building energy projects in Russia with Westinghouse. which doesn't seem like you're anti-American if you want to build an energy project in Russia with Westinghouse. But it was, I don't know, it was the finance minister, I haven't been able to find it yet, but he posted two pictures, like meme pictures, like AI, like no agenda art generator stuff. And one was with You know, like the the the panda bear and the Russian bear and what do you have? What is India's symbol? What kind of animal do they have? It's a good question. I forget what it is. Someone in the chat would know. And so they had those three and then one underneath it adding the United States and had the US flag and it was which one would you prefer? And I'm just thinking, you know how Trump really wants to do business with Russia

1:36:26 President Putin, I got a great relationship with him. President Xi, I got a great relationship with him. Modi, good guy. He's impressed with Modi in a different way because if you recall during his first term he went to a rally. Yeah, the big rally in the stadium. Oh yeah, and he loved it. It made Trump's rallies look like small potatoes and Trump had these massive rallies compared to everybody else. Yes, he loved it. He loved it. And he was so impressed with it. Wow, how do you do this? Hundreds of thousands of people in this massive stadium. So just for a moment, I'm just imagining what if

1:37:07 President Trump is completely savvy to this. He's known this from the get-go, and this would be the 5D chess that everyone talks about. And he's like, how do we bring down... Because remember, it's... SWIFT is not run by the Federal Reserve. SWIFT is run out of Brussels. The Bank of the City of London, they're the ones that screwed up the dollar with the trade that kind of, you know, that necessitated all kinds of changes to the financial systems. The Forex trade, you know, especially the Libor scandal.

1:37:42 Which screwed up our interest rates all of these things all came out of the Anglo-Dutch monarchy organizations I got to come up with a better acronym these ladies have the Anglo-Dutch system is no good. Yes, it's like The Limey Gouda head system, whatever we'll come up with something I'm working on it, but what if he really wants to team up with India China Russia and bring those those Brits down with and those in those flatlanders and once and for all. Well you always get the impression, especially during when Trump was out and Biden was in and even before Trump, that Putin has been aware of something like this. Yeah. Because he acts like it. He always, he was blaming for, he says, you know, the people are getting suckered into this and that and the other thing. And it's possible that Putin

1:38:34 is clued in. I mean, it's perfect for the show. Let me just put it that way. It has a lot of legs. It's a bottomless pit. Yes, we're good for 50 years. More years. 50 years. And so. Yeah, I'm totally a subscriber to these sorts of things. And so if you're talking about, just to briefly bring it back to Charlie Kirk, if you're talking about some kind of professional hit with a patsy that is meant to destabilize America's youth, our political system, when you have people fighting each other, that's how you conquer them. It's obvious.

1:39:16 And the fact that the president said, I'm going after the people who finance it, that's, I'm like, okay. And that's clearly, Soros clearly is from the UK banking system. And by the way, these people don't care about the Brits either. They do not care. They just care about the empire. And you know, we've been watching, we watched the Gilded Age. where all of the, you know, it's actually a lot of the Dutch were in New York early, you know, the, the New Amsterdam, New Amsterdam, the Driesmans. This is the early rise of JP Morgan. And of course, after that, we went back and we're watching Downton Abbey, which is actually quite enjoyable, mainly from the historical perspective. And you just see like, yeah, man, I can't believe these Brits, we kicked their butt and that was it.

1:40:08 The pride went away? I don't believe it for a second. Not from these families and the monarchies and how everyone's connected and inbred. And it's only 250 years ago. That's not very long. Amsterdam was the center of... They invented the stock exchange. They invented the whole concept. They invented the Ponzi scheme. Or the... I'm sorry, tulip mania. Ponzi scheme, I think, was invented in Italy. Yeah, the bubble. They invented the bubble. So all of these things, if you go back and we never taught this in school. We never go back far enough into history to even think about these things. Murka, yeah, Murka, 1776. No, it's because to kids, world history is boring, but my experience with history and people who teach it, it's not boring in the least, it's the teachers who are boring. Yes. So this kind of fits in with this latest

1:41:06 This latest move by the president against the NATO allies. US President Donald Trump on Saturday called on NATO allies to stop buying Russian oil while also threatening China with massive tariffs for its own purchases of Russian petroleum. In a social media post, Trump called the oil buying by some NATO members shocking, saying it greatly weakens the alliance's negotiating position. Russian Federation, while attacking... These comments come just days after Russian drones violated Polish airspace, prompting NATO to launch a new Eastern Sentry deterrence program. ...drone-type objects into Polish airspace. The remarks also follow last month's summit in Alaska between Trump and Vladimir Putin, which failed to achieve a breakthrough on ending the war.

1:41:52 Several NATO members including Turkey, Hungary and Slovakia continued to be major buyers of Russian oil after the invasion of Ukraine. Trump also repeated his claim that the conflict is Biden's and Zelensky's war and would not have occurred if he had been president when it began in early 2022. So President Trump is saying yeah sure I'll do sanctions you guys stop buying their oil which would cripple them because we all know that they're buying Russian oil It would cripple them. So this seems like a, like a sli- by the way- That's a pretty good trick. By the way, I was just thinking, wouldn't it be so typical for the- and when I say Anglo-Dutch, I'm talking about the Dutch people or the British people. I'm talking about the Anglo-Dutch system.

1:42:36 to get everyone to blame it all on the Jews, you can just see them laughing about that. We got them to blame the Jews for it. Especially since they're bankers. Yes, exactly! And the Rothschilds are involved. Yeah, oh yeah. Wouldn't it be fantastic? I don't think they're going to do that. But it's happening. It's happening. I don't know what's going on there. I think there's an explanation. I don't think they're blaming the Jews. I think they're really out there. There's something about Netanyahu they have to deal with and they don't like him. Well, there's that too. There's a lot of things not to like about him. He's not a player probably.

1:43:16 Here is a little too short clip breakdown from my boy Andrew Rosoulis on Trump's message here that is, hey you stop buying your oil then we'll put some sanctions on. Joining us now is Andrew Rosoulis, retired official of the Department of National Defense. Mr. Rosoulis, welcome. What do you make of Trump's calls today on NATO allies? Do you think it could make any difference on Russia's stance at this point? Well, I don't think it'll even get there because it's a very weak statement. It carries a very large if. And the if is all European countries stop importing Russian oil. Now, that means chiefly Hungary, Slovakia and Turkey, which import vast amounts of Russian oil.

1:44:05 Their economies are dependent on cheap Russian oil. To now expect that they will do Trump's bidding and stop with the sort of underlying understanding that the Americans will then put some undefined sanctions on top of all the other sanctions that he put on Russia and somehow bring the war to an end I think this is a very illusory statement by the president. I don't think there's much to it. Yeah, well, because it's a troll basically. And of course, we want to know how this might affect China if it does at all. What about China, who he directly called out? What sort of impact could tariffs have there? Well, exactly. He did on India, alright? He did on India and it had no effect. The Indians have said, forget it, we're going to continue to buy Russian oil despite the tariffs imposed on them by the United States.

1:45:01 on China. It's a very different degree. The Chinese import the most of Russian oil and the Americans depend very much on Chinese trade bilaterally. So if they impose tariffs on China for goods entering the United States, This will have a significant impact on the American economy and American consumers. So Trump has never actually followed through on this. He's been saying that this has been going for weeks now, but he's pulled back. So because that is impractical. So basically there are very strict limits as to what the United States and Europeans or Canadians can do to actually affect the Russian economy. Yeah, he doesn't actually want to. Now through this new lens,

1:45:48 Eh, doesn't want to do that. We want to screw those guys over there. And I think if you were to flip the bricks on its head and make it the A-bricks, America, Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, we'll just add them in there, which, I mean, hey boys, guess what? We're all going to use this stablecoin over here. Screw those Europeans with their digital euro. Cue Lagarde! One year on from the release of Mario Draghi's report on the future of European competitiveness, it remains essential to follow up on its recommendations with further concrete action and to accelerate implementation in line with the European Commission's roadmap.

1:46:37 Governments should prioritize growth-enhancing structural reforms and strategic investment while ensuring sustainable public finance. It is critical to complete the Savings and Investment Union and the Banking Union to an ambitious timetable and to rapidly establish the legislative framework for the potential introduction of our digital Europe. Too little, too late baby. You can't catch up. Stablecoin is here. It's much more fun to look at the world this way. No wonder people want to leave Britain. Oh yeah, it's getting bad. You saw the protest? I have a clip. Okay, let me see. London.

1:47:27 Huge protest. Easy to find. A far-right protest turned violent in London today. Vicki Barker has this report from the British capital. Chanting anti-immigrant slogans and waving flags, though marchers, more than a hundred thousand, police estimate, filled the streets of central London. And they heard the anti-immigrant, anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson tell them to savor the moment, to feel their strength. You are part of a tidal wave of patriotism that is sweeping across this country. Britain, he said, has finally awoken.

1:48:12 A few thousand counter-demonstrators from the group Stand Up to Racism held their rally a few hundred yards away. It was like a hundred thousand versus it looked like a thousand. Yeah, that's what they said in the report. A hundred thousand and of course, why even mention the other group? It's only, you know, one one-hundredth away. You guys are racist. Yeah, who had the professionally printed signs? The smaller group, of course. But meanwhile, some of this pressure may be having an effect and this is why a war economy is needed. This is why we're going to, well, we'll get into Eastern Century.

1:48:53 France is teetering. France's sovereign credit score is at its lowest level on record. Previously rated AA-, the country has been downgraded by one notch to A+, by credit rating agency Fitch. The agency explains this is a consequence of continuing political instability. They say the government's defeat in a confidence vote illustrates the increased fragmentation and polarization of domestic politics. This instability weakens the political system's capacity to deliver substantial fiscal consolidation. In its report, Fitch paints a grim picture of the state of France's public finances. According to the agency, the deficit is expected to remain above 5% next year and debt is expected to rise to 121% of GDP in 2027, up from 114% today. For this economist, the downgrade has limited but real consequences.

1:49:47 The impact of this downgrade is a lower quality debt, meaning certainly an increase in risk that could continue. And so this concretely means for France an increased debt burden, which means a higher level of interest that it repays each year. The outgoing Minister of the Economy, Eric Lombard, has taken note of Fitch's decision. The new Prime Minister, Sébastien Lecornu's mission is to present a budget that's acceptable to the opposition. Both those on the left and the right have opposing ideas of how to balance France's books. These divisions will make a consensus difficult to achieve. The difficulty is you don't have your own money anymore. That's the difficulty. Once you went on the euro, you can't inflate your way out of a crisis like this. Yeah, the Greeks taught us that. Yes, austerity measures coming to France and they're not going to like it.

1:50:41 And then we have a new... Well, the French revolt all the time, so this could be like the fifth republic or whatever number it is that we're up to. But it used to be cool, you know, they cut off heads and stuff. They still do that. Well, they could get back to it. We have a new actor on the scene, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO, who I've never... I don't think... I can't recall this guy ever showing up. And there he is next to Mark Rutte. And well, here we go everybody. Eastern Century, we've activated it. Yeah, so a couple of comments. I have issued the order tonight for Eastern Century to begin. The order went out as this press conference began and so operations are being brought together immediately underneath my authorities as SACEUR.

1:51:38 Now, it will take some time for us to bring everything together with the new contributions that have been coming in and we'll continue to work on this and refine the design of the operation moving forward, but it begins immediately. I'll just make one comment on the drone wall, Secretary General. This is very in line with some of our thoughts of fortifying our eastern flank from a land and air domain perspective. And just coming back from the Baltics, the number of states are making investments in technologies, learning lessons from Ukraine about what kind of sensors and what kind of weapons, kinetic and non-kinetic, might be effective.

1:52:14 integrating those sorts of defenses into our daily deterrence activities and into our regional plans is absolutely going to be something that we want to do moving forward. Okay, so why is this guy standing next to Mark Rutte? Because he's part of the sales team. They brought in the closer. This guy's like, hey. Y'all want to get your your eastern flank all squared away. We're gonna help you, but you need new gear You need to buy some gear from us. Do you think it was a highly successful operation? Intercepting the the drones that we did with our with the Dutch f-35s and the other assets that contributed to that

1:52:51 As successful as we are, we always learn something in the debrief, as we would say in the fighter business. And so we are always looking for ways to enhance, to learn from the smallest tactical error to how we're approaching certain problems. In my judgment, the scale of the incursion the other day was obviously larger than previous incursions that we've had. So bringing additional resources to bear on this problem will help to solve that. That's why we're starting this operation the way we are. I'll also highlight the comment I made about working with Allied Commands Transformation and Admiral Vendier.

1:53:30 That is an effort to ensure that we get lower cost weapons that we can use to defend ourselves, to make this a sustainable operation over time. And as SACEUR, one of my responsibilities is to make sure that we don't just defend today, but that we're set up to defend tomorrow. The last comment I'll make is when there's a fighter pilot that's in the air or someone on the ground who's defending the alliance, I don't want them thinking about how much their weapons cost. I want them defending our citizens. Yeah, yeah. Don't think about cost boys. Don't worry about it. Fire away. Fire away. Fox one, Fox two. Oh yeah. By the way, it turns out these were not Shaheed, these were Gheron drones, which pretty much are unarmed. They are, um,

1:54:18 Autonomous, they have... It's funny, one of the reports did say Shahids. No, I know that initially we heard Shahid, but I got a lot of people who know what they're talking about emailing me, saying, you know, these are Giran drones. And then this morning or yesterday, there was a bunch of incursions over Romania. Yes. Yeah, I think I actually have a clip of that. Hold on. Yes, here it is. It was two F-16 fighter jets like these that detected a drone in Romania's airspace. The Romanian defence ministry says the jets were patrolling near the border following Russian air strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure. At 18.23, F-16 aircraft detected a drone in national airspace which they tracked to approximately 20 km southwest of Cilievece,

1:55:04 where it disappeared from radar. The drone did not fly over populated areas and did not pose an imminent danger to the safety of the population. It's the second breach of NATO airspace in just a matter of days after Poland said it shot down several Russian drones earlier in the week. In response, The alliance is beefing up its defences with a new operation dubbed Eastern Sentry, which aims to reinforce its eastern border with Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. The US has also vowed to defend every inch of NATO territory. unacceptable and unfortunate and dangerous development in this regard. With tensions high, Poland's Lublin airport temporarily closed on Saturday after a drone alert was issued. Meanwhile, Russia and Belarus are pressing on with their joint operations near the Polish border. Known as Zapad 2, the two countries had already carried out similar exercises back in 2021, just months before Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Full-scale invasion.

1:56:08 Yeah, the more I think about it, the more genius this is starting to look. Like, bleed them dry of all their money for, not for today's war, but tomorrow's war. You don't want your boys in the sky thinking about what it's going to cost. I love that. That's a great sales pitch. You don't want fighters to be thinking, you don't want, you want those guys to be... They should be making this as a consideration. Going to save money for your government. Yeah. No, you don't want that. The French are shutting down their nuclear power plants. The Germans... No! Yes! Oh yeah, they've decommissioned... The French are all... the whole country is run by those nukes. No, I think they shut down two of them already. No, they may be for maintenance. I can't believe they're gonna shut any of them down. Well, the Germans certainly did and Germany... The Germans did. They're stupid. But that's the green agenda. They've turned it on themselves and we're gonna screw them with their money, with the stablecoin. We're taking away... then you know LIBOR is gone. You don't control that anymore. Now we just got to get those

1:57:11 mainly the City of London oriented banks who are, you know, not to be named in the Federal Reserve, get them out of the picture, which Besant is, they've got plans. You know, this is, well, if Trump can keep himself alive, you know. They don't put those James Bond movies into your mind for nothing. Yeah, we got our agents, they can kill anybody, they can get anybody, they can get their man anytime they want. But we'll make them look like Austin Powers so you're not clued in to what we're really doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we're onto something. Yes. Oh, this... Actually, there was a...

1:58:02 kind of doubling back, but coming back to technology, which is obviously something. By the way, how about all those European Union fining, fining our companies billions of dollars? Yeah, well, that's been going on since the entire show. They hate it. They hate our technology. It started with Microsoft years ago, then Google and then now Meta and then Google again. Because they hate our influence. They want to control it. It's a gouge. It's a rip off. It's a simple rip. They don't hate us. They love us. They can get all these billions of dollars for doing absolutely sitting on their ass. Well, that's true. Let's sit on our ass and do nothing. And then, oh, no, you get fined. Why would they hate us? Sounds like a podcast. Let's sit on our ass and do nothing. Yeah, well, it's both podcasts. Not this one.

1:58:51 So, obviously now we have to bring—this is your girl, Kristen Welker. That's why I have the clips from Meet the Press. And she's talking to the governor, Spencer Cox. Spencer Cox. Is that the guy? Is that— Cox, the Utah governor? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's a very politically savvy guy. He could run for president. Well, what I'm reading, a lot of people think he is a proverbial rhino. A Republican in name only. And you certainly don't want this guy as president. Listen to his thoughts and his ideas about online and radicalization. Governor, I want to ask you about something you said on Friday. You said, quote, there was a radicalization that happened in a fairly short amount of time. How was the suspect radicalized? How quickly did it happen? By the FBI, by the MI6. I mean, this radicalization can happen from anybody, people.

1:59:52 Well, again, those are pieces of information that we're still gathering, trying to understand. We do know, and again, this is... Is he an intelligence all of a sudden, this guy? Yeah, we're gathering this... You know, the funny thing is, he looks like he's from intelligence. He has that look. You're right, as you mentioned, he has an intelligence look. He looks like it. a spook and he says the right things and when they bring up some of these radicalization programs, you know, the intelligence people are the ones who could, you know, they got all these, you know, Quantico and all these people to do a personality analysis and they know your weak spots and they can come in and convince you of something that's not going to happen like you have a whole group of them down there in Fredericksburg that think

2:00:32 I think, you know, the grid's going down or whatever they want to try as a joke. Yeah, exactly. They sigh up our people here. He is, of course, in Utah. He is, I believe he is, yes, he went on mission for the... So he's a Mormon, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Which... Right. And by the way, that's what you're supposed to say. They don't like the word Mormon. No, they don't. That's why I said Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Yeah, I know, I appreciate what you did, but I'm just pointing that out to the audience. Yes, but they are very deeply entrenched in intelligence. They have records on everybody. Didn't Ancestry.com start with them?

2:01:19 I think you might be right. Yeah, they yes because they because they have the belief as a religion that they can Baptize you in death. That's right. That's right, which is appreciated, but it's okay. I already gave it the office It's not appreciated by everybody. I gave it the office. I don't need it anymore. It's of information that we're still gathering trying to understand we do know and again this is this has been well publicized, but this was a a very normal young man, a very smart young man, 4.0 student, I think it's a 34 on the ACT, went to- How does he know all this stuff?

2:01:56 I haven't seen any of his scholastic record. Yeah, that came out. Okay. 34 on the ACT, went to my alma mater, Utah State University, but was only there for a very short amount of time and dropped out after less than one semester. And it seemed to happen kind of after that, after he had moved back to the southern part of Utah. Clearly, there was a lot of gaming going on. Friends confirmed that there was kind of that deep, dark Internet, the Reddit culture and these other dark places of the Internet where this person was.

2:02:40 I take back what I said about him being a potential presidential candidate because of this interaction he's going through right now. He is using a scattergun style of talking, so it's not smooth. He's not smooth. I mean, when he gave his prepared speeches, he sounded very presidential, but here's not... He's all over the map. He doesn't have a structured flow. It doesn't come off well. No. So no, he's out. No, he's but you know and also Utah has all the big data centers. Any place. There's some in Colorado. Yeah, I know but Utah well known. Well known. He's a fan of the band The Killers. Okay.

2:03:21 It was kind of that deep, dark internet, the Reddit culture and these other dark places of the internet where this person was going deep. And you saw that on the casings? I didn't have any idea what the... You saw that on the casings. Again, we didn't see anything. We didn't see anything. He's stammering like a maniac. He's stammering to the extent that he's lying. He's not being honest. going deep and you saw that on the casings. I think I didn't have any idea what those inscriptions, many of those inscriptions even meant, but they are certainly the memification that is happening in our society today. By the way, this podcast, The Noah Jenner Show, is only available on the dark web. Governor, I want to delve into some of the messaging that we have heard from you. Lawmakers, governors, both

2:04:19 Parties across the country have frankly praised what we heard from you on Friday your unifying message You said you see this as a watershed moment How can this nation step back from the brink governor? So he was so good he from the brink He was so good that you even kind of fell for it until you heard this interview because he was good. He had a you know, a message that was needed at that moment, but we needed some details too. So look, um, this is, uh, you, you mentioned it in the introduction, but we have seen an escalation in the- What was that all about? Well, let's- Starts right away with a laugh tale? Let's listen to her lead in again. And by the way, I resent the fact you said that I fell for it. Well, I don't- Because I did, but it's beside the point. It's not- By the way,

2:05:13 I need to apologize for something, not for that comment I just made. Well, what would that be? What else did you say about me that you need to apologize for? It was not about you. No. I said something about Brennan. Oh yes, Brennan. Brennan and Jay were quite upset about you calling him, as I recall, the exact word was a deadbeat when it's anything but. He's a very responsible, and by the way, he's an Eagle Scout if anybody cares, but a lot of Eagle Scouts out there, and a very responsible person. And it was, I think, actionable insult. Well, it was meant as a joke, obviously. Well, Mimi noticed it was kind of a joke.

2:05:53 You make these offhanded comments. It was a joke coming from the love you have for the family Yes, and it came in a conversation where you were making fun of Mimi's voice, so I'm like it's fair game now But that's but I apologize not true. Oh Uh, okay. I'm sorry. No, that's right. It was right before you called me. And I wasn't making fun of her voice. She's, her mic voice is a very sexy voice she's developed. I called her out on it later. I called her and said, where'd you get, where are you developing this voice? Because she wears the cans and she's... Doesn't like her voice and so she's working a hello. It was so she's working on this bullcrap voice. It sounds terrific She could get it work doing that voice It was right before right after you called me a bigot and before you called me an eagle egomaniac about the sound of my own voice so yes, I Yes, that's true, but okay with it, but I'm fair game. I'm fair game of your normal attack of me you went after poor old Brennan and

2:06:55 It was I I said it because I know that you know because of the the departure of What company left of the Chevron run? Yeah, so I'm sorry of course good and by the way I remember Jay when you to apologize to Brennan yes, and also to Jay You know because they're married, and you know I'm sure she got then she had didn't mention anything to me But this got back to me, and so I'm really sorry I'm I've known Jason since she was 15 and I love her working with us. And she does a terrific job. And Brennan's a good guy. I've never met him, but you like him so that automatically qualifies. He's a nice guy. So I'm sorry. This is what you get when you only listen to the NOAA Gender Show once in a while. You haven't heard all the other stuff we talked about you. So I'm sorry. I really am.

2:07:44 I think that they should be listening to the show. Jay was listening to the show with more consistency and Brandon listens once in a while. He was listening in the car, I guess, when you insulted him. And, um... But they should listen to the show. I don't understand this. Did they almost drive their Tesla off the road? I'm drawing a minivan. All right, onward. Unifying message. You said you see this as a watershed moment. How can this nation step back from the brink, Governor? So look, this is, you mentioned it in the introduction, but we have seen an escalation in violence that has been happening across the country. We've had periods like this in our past history. I've mentioned before in the late 60s and early 70s, certainly we saw these types of high profile political assassinations, another dark time in our history. People keep waiting for somebody to lead us out of this. And I

2:08:44 I think that's a mistake. I don't think any one person, certainly not a governor, I don't think a president, I don't think anyone can change the trajectory of this. It truly is about every single one of us. And I can't emphasize enough The damage that social media and the internet is doing to all of us. Those dopamine hits, these companies, trillion dollar market caps, the most powerful companies in the history of the world have figured out how to hack our brains, get us addicted to outrage. Hold on a second, stop. So what social media company has a trillion dollar valuation? I can tell you what companies have. Meta? I don't think they have a trillion dollar valuation. Not a market cap.

2:09:32 I know Apple does, Nvidia does, I think Amazon comes and goes, I think Microsoft for sure. Yeah, but those aren't social media companies. The social media companies to me are... Make no money. Well, no, they make money. I mean, Meta makes money. Meta is a good example. But I don't think they're, I'll look it up, but that'd be the only one possibly with a trillion dollar market cap. But I don't think they have it. They're not the most powerful companies in the world. And they're not. No, I agree. They're not. And people who are on these platforms like Twitter or Blue Sky, your favorite, or any of these other ones. I went on Blue Sky the other day. I had to reset my password, hadn't been on there in months. That guy who yells at me every day is still yelling every day. Every day. One guy.

2:10:22 No, I'm not on that. You should take some of these clips and ever take screenshots and read them because you You know the guy, he's got a certain kind of voice that you emulate perfectly. Okay, let me finish these clips and then I'll give you some joy. Figured out how to hack our brains, get us addicted to outrage, which is the same type of dopamine, the same chemical that you get from taking fentanyl. Get us addicted to outrage and get us to hate each other. I'm seeing it in real time since the tragic death of Charlie Kirk. I'm seeing it in every corner of our society. The conflict entrepreneurs are taking advantage of us and we are losing our agency and we have to take that back. We have to turn it off. We have to get back to community, caring about our neighbors, the things that make American great, serving each other, bettering ourselves, exercising, sleeping, all of those things that this takes away from us.

2:11:20 Okay, you want to hear some of this guy? Well, first I want to mention about this idea of taking social media away. Does he understand what's going on in Nepal? Exactly. You really want to be careful taking... This is the one thing we warned of. Don't even take TikTok away. We'll finish these. He's going to make a great little comparison here. If you could compare social media to anything bad, what would you compare it to? If I was going to compare social media to something bad, I'd compare it to war. Well, Governor, you referred to social media as a cancer on Friday. That's an incredibly strong word. Do you believe that social media played a direct role in this assassination?

2:12:08 I believe that social media has played a direct role in every single assassination and assassination attempt that we have seen over the last five, six years. What happened to gaming? Come on, man. You afraid? There is no question in my mind that cancer probably isn't a strong enough word. What we have done, especially to our kids, it took us a decade to to realize how evil these algorithms are. And we're doing everything in Utah, first state in the nation a couple years ago to pass comprehensive reform. Sadly, these most powerful companies on earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things.

2:12:47 Okay, by the way, and we believe we yes. Well, yeah, this is the funny part. Okay, well before you play I just gonna say meta 1.8 trillion. Okay, I was way off So this is the funny part where he's talking about social media companies and I guess he's on zoom and then he gets cut off years ago to pass comprehensive reform sadly these most powerful companies on earth are suing us to prevent us from implementing these things and he's gone and and we believe we just lost our connection Governor Cox, but there you heard him speaking very forcefully against the- Trying to drag it out to get him back. He never came back. But you know who did come back for the final clip? Mayor Pete. I mean you heard Governor Cox refer to social media as a cancer and the question I think becomes what to do about it. Do you agree with that assessment? Is social media actually a cancer right now Mr. Secretary? Let's get some consensus.

2:13:45 Is he still allowed to be called Mr. Secretary? Yeah, that's a protocol allowance, yes. Well, and of course, Secretary General outpaces Mr. Secretary any day. Yes, people should, the next show is the show 1800, people should contribute their $500 apiece and get those Secretary General ships in for the next show. It's going to be a long, hopefully long, donation segment. Social media is clearly part of the problem in a big way and it speaks to something that's even bigger than the political polarization of this moment. Although I think the internet has played a role, but it's more than that. It's what is it doing to our brains? Look, every time there's one of these killings in a summer that began with the assassination in June of a Democratic lawmaker by somebody with a kill list of Democrats,

2:14:34 and is ending this September with the assassination of a conservative figure. And you go back through so many other cases, political and not of violence. There is not a consistent pattern of left versus right among the shooters, but there is a pattern where we see so many of these people are men, usually young men, who seem to spend more and more of their time in dark and twisted corners of the internet. And I think there is a sickness, not just the sickness of somebody who would pick up a gun and shoot someone, but I think a broader societal sickness that frankly I think you could see and feel

2:15:12 And how many people around America, normal people, not dangerous people, were in a moment when we all should have still been praying for the victim and his family, were busy online praying for some shred of evidence that the shooter would turn out to be from the other political team. That is not healthy and that is not a way forward, but that is exactly what the algorithm pushes us to do. Wow, there's some agenda here. There's some agenda at play. Yeah, there's too much of a... too much... Anti-social media. Well, there's anti-social networks. There's... yeah, Meta's 1.8 trillion. I didn't realize it was that much.

2:15:55 Silly you there's there's something going on. They're trying to do something trying to I think it's to implement censorship before some event or to try this a censorship play they want a digital ID man Digital ID in the dark corner dark corners of the internet discord that that's been a push for Jan It's a push, but they're gonna get it. We're going back to bulletin boards people I got five lines on my BBS and Yeah, people would have the phone companies were making out like bandits during that era Cuz you'd get ten lines of your house. That's right, and you have your modem bank, you know

2:16:39 The whole night going off. Click, click, click. Relays, relays going. It's like a boogie operation. Yeah, running on a single 286. Ah, good times everybody, good times. Hey, with that I want to thank you for your courage. In the morning to you, the man who put the C in Cox for President. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeMora! 2328 at the peak there you go we're almost back to our 2400 I know you say it's 25 but I think 24 is where we actually were

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2:18:21 publish the show and then the chapters are done. Nobody wants that. No, and then, you know, Dreb sometimes listening in real time and he just hits the button and boom, the chapters are there. So looks like Apple's going to do that, which is good because I, you know, of all the legacy apps, I think Apple is probably the one that has the chance of innovating. Everyone else just sucks. So podcastapps.com. Man, 1799 episodes of the NOAA Gender Show. The next one will be our big 1800, our 18th anniversary is coming up. And all these years we've been doing it value for value, which means we just give you the show. There's no barriers to entry. It's like free speech. You literally get our speech for free.

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2:20:01 Wow, okay. What? Yes, you got a good pair of cans. I'm ISOing that. It's perfect. Also, you know, boots on the ground, people sending clips, everything is incredibly appreciated. And one thing people do is, you know, I'm slowly giving up on the idea that I can fight artificial intelligence by myself. I can't, so we'll just wait until it all collapses. Oh, bonus clip time. Bonus clip. Bonus clip ready for a bonus clip. This is a special donation second. I'm on pins and needles so We were laughing on the last show about Oracle how there I think you said this is even more ridiculous than pets calm that they're better you said that no I better bought a pets calm you said no no it's much worse and

2:20:54 I could have said that. Yes, a factor of 10. You know, expecting to go from big operation, Pets.com died on the vine. But going from 14 billion in today's revenue, which missed their quarterly revenue and profit targets to 2029, which is only three and a half years away. where they expected, Oracle expects to have a hundred and forty nine billion dollars in revenue and everyone went, oh wow! Well, our fine friends over there at CNBC have figured out how this is going to work.

2:21:29 And what is powering the AI spending spree? You're gonna love it! Shares of Oracle today falling a bit following that 35% surge yesterday on its massive revenue backlog and we now know where the majority of that revenue will come from. It's OpenAI, that $300 billion deal for compute power among the largest cloud contracts ever signed. Our Mackenzie Sagalos has more on that in today's Tech Check. Hey Mack. Hey Carl. So I am speaking to VC's out here in Silicon Valley about how OpenAI is now bankrolling the AI trillion dollar club. And they're trying to make sense of this loop, the sky high fundraising, spending so fast that it clogs supplier backlogs and pumps up the market caps of legacy giants who have rebranded themselves as an AI play. Now, one investor telling me that the real story is the power struggle with Nvidia, saying that OpenAI feels threatened and wants to diffuse the

2:22:22 dynamic by making some of its smaller rivals a lot stronger. In the last week, OpenAI has fired two shots in that direction. A $10 billion Broadcom partnership to build a GPU rival and then this massive Oracle deal. Both are meant to spread leverage across the stack. Now, other VCs were marveling at Sam Altman's sprawl. One investor saying that he is really trying to out Elon, pointing to his custom chip ambitions and that top secret consumer device being built in a lab under Johnny Ive. Skeptics say the spending math does not work. Most VCs are priced out at a $500 billion valuation. They say that sovereign wealth and Middle East capital is keeping this entire ecosystem afloat.

2:23:05 Another VC underlined the tightrope that everyone is walking here. The numbers look impossible on their face, but the constraint is compute and energy. So yes, it is a gamble for these hyperscalers, but that trillion dollar capex wave has to happen in order for this AI thesis to clear. Now, the next test is whether OpenAI can lock in more funding and nail its agentic strategy in order to deliver on that $125 billion revenue target for 2029. That will be key to turning Oracle's backlog into cash. We just need more money. If you can just give us more money, we're going to make so much money. You're going to be so rich. You're going to get leave your wife rich money. It's going to be fantastic. Just four more years of money.

2:23:53 This is fantastic. Larry Ellison is actually quite smart. He's just going to let those guys raise the money and he's going to take it. I don't know, Larry's always been smart. But this is, but this, it's like, hey, you know what? Enjoy your art generator while it lasts, everybody. Enjoy everything. Every minute. This is the time to get it while you can. Yeah, get it while you can is right. You know, and we're doing a good job of exploiting it. This art generators, all the art that we're getting, and the songs even, and the clips at the end of the show occasionally. Yeah.

2:24:29 It's all free. Someone said to me, hey, can we make a deal? Like I'll give $50 to every artist who creates art that's chosen that isn't AI generated. I'm like, just give it up, man. Forget about it. Just give it up. Bite the bullet. Give it up. Bite the bullet, exactly. Blue Acorn came in with a win. It was a good piece. You know, we ping pong back and forth on a couple of things. But yeah, this wasn't my favorite at first. No, I forgot there was this one. I liked I forgot what it was Well first let me do I like the robot cops. Yeah, so this was the Statue of Liberty yelling at a pudgy Uncle Sam asleep with his teddy bear Wake up, which you know people liked it. You know could be taken cute many different ways. I also got a note from

2:23:53 This is fantastic. Larry Ellison is actually quite smart. He's just going to let those guys raise the money and he's going to take it. I don't know, Larry's always been smart. But this is, but this, it's like, hey, you know what? Enjoy your art generator while it lasts, everybody. Enjoy everything. Every minute. This is the time to get it while you can. Yeah, get it while you can is right. You know, and we're doing a good job of exploiting it. This art generators, all the art that we're getting, and the songs even, and the clips at the end of the show occasionally. Yeah.

2:24:29 It's all free. Someone said to me, hey, can we make a deal? Like I'll give $50 to every artist who creates art that's chosen that isn't AI generated. I'm like, just give it up, man. Forget about it. Just give it up. Bite the bullet. Give it up. Bite the bullet, exactly. Blue Acorn came in with a win. It was a good piece. You know, we ping pong back and forth on a couple of things. But yeah, this wasn't my favorite at first. No, I forgot there was this one. I liked I forgot what it was Well first let me do I like the robot cops. Yeah, so this was the Statue of Liberty yelling at a pudgy Uncle Sam asleep with his teddy bear Wake up, which you know people liked it. You know could be taken cute many different ways. I also got a note from

2:25:23 From our RIA guy and he's who did the the the logo the logo the Austin logo? He says 100% Photoshop. He says no AI. No. No, he said illustrator Oh illustrator. I'm sorry. Yes illustrator. This is sir. Shug. Yes, sir. Shug. There you go. Pho diddly. That's it So here on this particular art... In fact he eschewed Photoshop in favor of Illustrator. He made it pointed. He did. He knew. So robot cops, yeah, it just didn't do it for me. I mean I know he liked it. It was kind of a dark image. It was rather dark.

2:26:01 Which did we talk about anything else that we kind of like I mean dark in terms of luminosity Yes, and then which we might which brings up the point that some people you get these things you hear us complaining or us mostly Adam He's always moaning and groaning Adam has a thing about these this orange ish Art you take the art and take a peek pull it out drop it into Photoshop and and change your right it up. Yeah brighten it up. Yeah, do some work. You can do that No, that hard no they can't they see it's like make it brighter Make it bright like like that cat make it brighter prompting prompting prompting so anyway You also like the xylophone well. I like the simplicity of it and

2:26:48 But it was a little, you actually, I think, said too simplistic, which is, that's Nico Symes' xylophone, yeah. And then you're like, oh man, I love these evergreen logos. The one with no agenda with the microphone and the headphones, yeah, over my dead body. That's like the most over- Yeah, I use it for the newsletter. The most overused elements of any podcast logo. I'm not arguing that. Bah! You're just, bah! That's bigotry. You should look up the definition. Okay, I don't have time for that today. We have the bigotry. I have my bigotry is gruesome art. Yes. I refuse to accept any sort of gruesome art. Very bigoted against gruesome art. And I have, and the reason for that is because it's associative and I don't like it. Yes, I know.

2:27:35 I know, I know. Thank you Blue Acorn. Very happy with your piece. At noagenerator.com everybody can participate. It's easy kids, just go to your favorite AI art generator, make something up. It still needs a good idea. Without a good idea, you can't get there. So there's that. And of course, we always like to thank the people who supported us with financial value for value. We thank everybody. Fifty dollars and above. You can keep score at home. And we have a special bonus for those fortunate enough who are able to just like Hollywood, by the way. I mean, you can pay your your what is a movie ticket these days? Is it 20 bucks now? Oh, it's at least that used to be five. Then it was seven. And I remember what it's like a dollar. And we had a Nickelodeon and we were happy.

2:28:23 Now what was the thing called? What was that, where you put a penny in and... Yeah, there's a thing. ...a kinescope, rotoscope, what is it called? I don't... You got me. You know! No, I don't. You were there! I was, but I don't even remember. It was like a... We still had those things, I think, at Riverview Park in Chicago. Yeah, in the woods, you'd be looking through it. Yeah. So if you are... Fortunate enough to support us with $200 or more. We'll give you a title, a Hollywood credit, which is an associate executive producer. And we'll read your note. And if it's $300 or above, you become an executive producer of the No Agenda show for that episode. And we will read your note as well. And of course, you can use these anywhere Hollywood style credits are recognized. That would be your LinkedIn, your Blue Sky, put it in your profile, your Blue Sky. That'll get you lots of friends.

2:29:14 Or you can put it on IMDB.com, which will make you look very official for putting it onto your resume. And John is going to start us off with our first executive producers, which I believe these are from the Meetup in Albany. Give us a Meetup report. Yes, I went to the Meetup. It was actually in Oakland. Oh. At Violette's, Violette's, Violetta Pizza, Violetta. And that's where Violet, the sucker baby that we first brought into the topic of conversation, she's been a show promoter herself, the little girl, for the last six years. And she was at the event, and this was at Violeta's Pizza, and I have to say, besides being...

2:29:59 Besides being very generous with the free pizza and free tallow fries and whatever else anyone wanted to order, that the owners of Pizzeria Violetta, and there's two of them, there's one in Piedmont and one at the Prescott Market, is, it was Jonathan and Sarah, and their daughter, Violet. Violet was there, and she comes up to me. Violet comes up, she's a fan of the show. She's been listening to the show forever. And she comes up and she looks at me and she's very furtive. And she's looking at me and she's gonna tell me something. Furtive? Furtive, yeah. What's furtive mean? It means it's like, you know, she's like semi-anxious and she's got something to say. Ah, yes, furtive, okay. Like a little kid. She comes up and she looks at me and she goes, I'm six.

2:30:50 which cracked me up. But it turned out to be a backstory to her doing this because she didn't get called out for her birthday a couple weeks ago by the parents who never sent us a note. Oh no. And so Violet was irked about the fact that she wasn't called out and I have a note. I'm six. I'm six, she says to me. And she's the cutest thing by the way. And here's the note from Jonathan and Sarah. And they, besides giving us the hospitality, they donated $333.33. Very nice. So thanks for getting out of the house, they write.

2:31:30 Great to chat. I know Baroness Sarah Rupert and Sucker Baby Violet love the meetup. Trap Baby, not Sucker Baby. I always call it Trap Baby, but then I was called out by Mimi. She says, that's actually Sucker Baby. It should be Sucker Baby. Okay, whatever. One of the two. There's a note here. Appreciate the praise of the pizza. Yes, they do make a tremendous product. and reluctantly making a pineapple pizza. And here's a make good birthday wishes. Violet was very upset to not hear her name on the podcast. So she's currently on the list. So she's gonna be called out today. And other donors, since we're gonna do a little meetup report, we have 8008 from SirFastFast.

2:32:25 I can't read this, of the American, the Island of Boobs, 808, John and Adam, thanks for what you do. Is it Sir Fasta Blarty? No, it says Fast Eddie of Alameda. Oh, there you go. Okay, thank you. 235 from, this is from Sir Lawrence of Dystopia, Baronet of Maxwell Park, Kilo Oscar Six Echo Juliet Echo 73s. Yeah. And he came in with, He says it was 335 cash. Oh, yeah plus fees. Well, I kind of 235 but maybe I'm wrong I'll just assume is 330 330 335 he says I hope this finds you well, I Have three ask Adams answer the questions go. Okay, okay One yes in the troll room. Oh

2:33:22 Who determines if you get karma for a comment that you make during the show? Well, that rarely happens. That's never happened. I can't remember a time, actually. Two. In the song Der Kommissar, after the Fire Falco 1982 song, is Der Kommissar a euphemism for a drug dealer? No. Falco was an Austrian, so he had all kinds of militaristic vibes. Okay, last question. Yes. In the song... Adam the DJ questions. Is the song A-E-I-O-U sometimes Y, 1984 from Ibn Ozzan, is Lola a man? Yes, Lola is... Obviously Lola is a man.

2:34:21 I met her down in Old Soho. Asking for a friend. If you meet Lola, be warned. She's a dude. Thank you for your attention to this matter. God rest Charlie Kirk and may God bless America. God bless America, absolutely. entertaining note, okay, onward with the rest of these donations. I like these ASCAP notes, these are good, these are good. We got $200 from Robert Montoya, Black Knight of Pleasant Hill, that's just 200 bucks, that's that. 200 bucks from Jacene Swisher, J-A-C-E-N, and she says, St. Ives,

2:35:08 Nice meeting. Nice meeting you. There's something about the J, I don't know, this is some sort of trust. It's 200 bucks, just to check, no other longer note. And then another one which is from Sir Recalcitrant Steve, our buddy, 5150, and of course he comes in. And that I think covers the basis. Very nice. And you have to do Dame Janet of TP Wyoming, because you also have the note for her donation of $750. I have to grab a different pile. Okay. So here we go. This is an interesting note. This is $750. This is the next donor, which is named Janet of TP Wyoming. And she wrote a card actually. Okay. Keep up the good work. Okay. We have a knighting. This is a switcheroo. I think it's on there. Yep. This is a switcheroo. She writes,

2:36:15 Donate, she's got a, you know, this is a very interesting anomaly with her. She has unbelievably pretty and readable longhand or cursive and her printing is hard to read. And she'd print this. Donation to bring my, it looks like sucking hot husband, but I think it's smoking. There you go. I think it is. Smoking hot husband. Bill to the knighthood, knight something or other to be determined, or the knight name to be determined later. Okay, we have him on the list, but he's gonna change it maybe. September 15th will be married for 41 years. Hey, there you go. And no one I'd rather be on a journey with than Bill. We both love the show.

2:37:12 and we love the newsletter, especially the memes and hypocrite of the week. It's a fan favorite. Keep up the great work, then she says he'd like Opus One and Spaghetti Carbonara at the round table. Yeah, I got it all ordered for you and all set up. I'll take the next three just to move things along. Sure. Benjamin Malnar in Rapid River, Michigan. $500 no note, so you get double up karma and I believe you will be a secretary general by default. You've got Karma. And we have Matthew Bush from Newport Beach, California. $350.58. Also no note that we can find, so for you also a double up karma. You've got

2:38:00 Karma. And there he is, Sir Scovey from Charlotte, North Carolina. We thought we'd heard the last of him on the last show, but no, he comes in with his standard 333.33 and he says, make good matching donation alert. John Adam and fellow producers, in the morning to Robert Kaminowski for the donation to show 1797. I should have matched that donation based on the chronological order of donations. May it culpa, Robert, and thank you for your courage, he says. That concludes this matching donation campaign, which he went above and beyond the matching campaign, which is yes He did which as a matching donor is what you do and we appreciate it, but he says for done. It's done for real this time Thank you to the eight producers signing off with a reminder that acts of kindness and generosity are always needed Do what you can as often as you can love and light was signed sir Scovey. Thank you, sir Scovey beautiful

2:38:57 You can read the next one because I have a note. Well, this is from about 90 miles to the east of me Georgetown, Texas Randy Wallen And he says in the morning, 333.33, please support the George Pastor Foundation. Pastor was an Austin SWAT officer killed in the line of duty on November 11th, 2023 during active shooter hostage rescue call. To honor his legacy, Pastor's wife Kim established a foundation to provide financial resources for first responders for advanced training, wellness and community engagement. The foundation is a 501c3 and all staff are volunteers. You can support the foundation financially by donating through its website jpastorfoundation.com. That's pastor with an r and an e.

2:39:40 You can also support the foundation by taking part in its annual fundraiser, the Humble Warrior Games, live on November 9th at Revel Peak Ranch in Burnett, Texas. Or virtually if you are out of the area. Registration can be found on the website. Again, jpastorfoundation.com. Thank you, says Randy Wallin from Georgetown, Texas. Okay, now we have another note. Sir Optimus, yeah, this is the last one. Except I will mention that I have pushed off two donations. Kim of the Nutty Fluffers and Archduke of Central Florida have been moved to show 1800 for logistical reasons and they should know, I should note that they're expecting to be mentioned today. And you'll see what that's all about next show. So we have a note here from Sir Optimus. Mysterious. Yeah.

2:40:36 Optimists, God bless you both. Rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, Sir Optimist. Simple to the point. They're beautiful. Kevin G. Mobile, Alabama. $233.99, which I believe is $222.22, so a big row of ducks processing fees. Sir Kevin G. of the Lake Lanier boaters here, checking in after three years of retirement on $9.22. We've traded the Lake Life for Salt Life, moving down to Mobile. That's Mobile, not mobile. Alabama. A solid red state, no longer just puttering, Adam's word, around the Georgia Lake Lanier on my yacht.

2:41:13 What a life. In April this year I took an eight-day trip down the Tennessee River to Mobile. I'm now traveling the ICW, intercoastal water, visiting new ports of call. If the Parents Committee could please update my title to Sir Kevin G of the ICW. Thanks for your attention to this matter. Consider it done. In close is my annual retirement donation, a full row of ducks, 222.22 plus processing fees, and a hearty call out to all douchebags who listen religiously but never donate. Love your work, love is lit and all that shit. No exit strategy. Hashtag no exit strategy. All the best. Sir Kevin G of the soon to be updated ICW. Formerly Kevin G of the Lake Lanier Boaters. The Librarian San Francisco comes in with 22222.

2:41:58 and writes for Charlie Kirk and for all the truth-tellers like Adam and John. Love and hugs from the librarian in San Francisco. Eli the Coffee Guy is here with 20914, always hitting the date 914, Bensonville, Illinois. And he says after the news of the past week, the hits just keep on coming. Whether developments in the Charlie Kirk assassination, drones in Poland, AFD politicians dropping like flies, revolutions in Nepal, to riots in Serbia and citizens taking to the streets of London, one might think the world has gone mad. I urge everybody to keep calm and get back to basics. Just remember good old-fashioned Americanism will save the day. Blue jeans, mom, apple pie, steak, potatoes, hot chicks and cold beer. And of course, good old-fashioned coffee. Visit gigawattcoffeeroasters.com and use code ITM20 for 20% off your order today. Stay sane, stay safe, stay caffeinated, says Eli the Coffee Guy.

2:43:03 200. Jobs Karma. Skip the AI templates. Okay, okay. Skip the AI templates. Skip them. Skip them. For an executive resume that gets results and tells your unique story, visit ImageMakersInc.com. That's ImageMakersInc with a K. And work with Linda Liu, Duchess of Jobs, writer of winning resumes. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote. Well, thank you all very much for your support of episode 1799. You could have waited until 1800, but you didn't and I appreciate that so much. Thank you again to our executive and associate executive producers and we'll be thanking the rest of our value for value donors in the second segment which will be coming up in a little bit. $50 and above. Remember to support the show by going to noagendadonations.com

2:43:57 Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Well, we haven't done that for a while. We need to go back to it. Well, it's your beat, so you need to go back to it. But I do have one to whet your whistle with. This is a doozy.

2:44:37 Prime Minister question time listen to this. Thank you Mr Speaker. Vaccinations were invented in Barclay in my constituency 230 years ago and as a GP I have jabbed literally thousands of children and adults. Could the Prime Minister update the house about our new rollout of chickenpox vaccinations which will further protect our children? And would he also agree with me to condemn other political parties that give platforms for people who spread false rumours about vaccinations? Well, my honourable friend speaks with great authority and I'm proud that Labour are protecting half a million children by rolling out the chickenpox vaccines. In stark contrast, the man who wrote Reform's health policy

2:45:29 has made shocking and baseless claims that vaccines are linked to cancer. And that's been endorsed by reform leaders. They laugh. They laugh at it. These dangerous conspiracies cost lives. And it shows that reform can't be trusted with our NHS. And meanwhile Pfizer Moderna shares fall on report that Trump officials will link child deaths to COVID shots. Woohoo! Go ahead Prime Minister question time. Yeah, that's coming apparently this week. No, I haven't heard that. It's on CNBC which means there's gotta be something's going on. Yeah, because they yeah it's a report from the Washington Post.

2:46:14 Officials plan to include the claim in a presentation next week to a key vaccine panel that advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Whoa, that's quite the statement. Well, they're going to have to have a lot of evidence to back this up, and I'm sure they do. I think they do. I think they have 25 child deaths they're using as an example. So, that's what I got there. You shouldn't be giving that shot to kids anyway. Man, no kidding. So I've got a WTF clip which is uh wow that's fabulous. Houthi attacks listen to this. Houthi attacks all right. This is also reported launching more airstrikes against the Iran-backed Houthi terrorist group in Yemen targeting Houthi military bases, a fuel storage facility and the headquarters of the Houthi public relations department.

2:47:08 So they're bombing the public relations department. Yeah, you got to get them good, man. I just thought when I heard that I said, holy mackerel, they finally figured it out. That's just who you want to, but you should have bombed them in the first place. So who's bombing them? No offense to all the PR people that work, you know, and listen to the work for a living and listen to the show. But who's bombing them? It was Israel. Of course. Of course. And I think it is, yeah, public relations office. Where is that? There it is. Let's get it. It's about time, public relations. Well, of course, we don't want to bomb any people, but public relations. Was that a laptop? The Houthis, they had some good stuff going. They had the helicopter videos and remember that helicopter video? Yeah. It lands on the deck and they jumped out like in a video game. Just like a video game. Yeah, it looked like a video game every which way. Yeah.

2:48:05 Here's another weird clip. I thought this was interesting because there's obviously a lot of people, I'm guessing Americans but it could be international, people with way too much money. Oh, well yes, they're everywhere those people. I wish they would listen to the show and donate. They're not on our donor list. No, not this guy in particular, this is the Star Wars memorabilia clip. Oh, hold on a second. By the way, 18 years no one has ever done like a crazy donation, like a hundred grand or something. No, no, that's never happened. Where's my Bitcoin? And in a galaxy not so far, far away, the legacy of Darth Vader lives on. Your destiny lies with me Skywalker. Obi-Wan needs to be true.

2:48:51 The prop lightsaber he wielded in that father-son battle in the Empire Strikes Back has been sold at auction for $3.6 million. That makes it the most expensive piece of Star Wars memorabilia to be auctioned off. No word yet on the buyer who embraced this bit of the dark side. Oh, I can tell you who it is. That's an easy one. There's only one guy I know who would spend that kind of money on Star Wars memorabilia because he has a lot of it already. Glenn Beck. Oh, that's an interesting theory. I've been in his museum. Yeah, you have you've been one of the privileged few he I mean he has so what kind of stuff does he have that Star Wars? Oh, he has story has three million to blow on a trinket dude. The dude Glenn Beck is not hurting. I mean he has a he outside the building. He's got a custom Bentley.

2:49:50 like a beautiful, I think it's the Continental R. His museum, besides he has a lot of American memorabilia, President Lincoln's door, including the doorknob and the knocker. He has George Washington's compass and then a drawing compass. He has from movie memorabilia, Dorothy's ruby slippers, He's got a full-on Star Trooper. I think he has a couple of Star Trooper, you know, the white dudes. The outfits. He's got stuff from Gone With The Wind. He has from... Who did... I think from Spartacus?

2:50:40 He has the model ship they use for the water scene. Which was Cecil B. DeMille. He has Cecil B. DeMille's chair. I mean, he has one of the first electric chairs, which you know is weird to sit in. Very strange sensei. Go ahead, sit in it. Like, okay, just make sure Glenn doesn't trip over any switches anywhere. But he has, you know, like a rich, he has a lot of original, a lot of original Texas documents. It's traveling. He's taking it on the road. His museum. And he's asked me to do something with it. I think he wants me to show up at some one of the one of the exhibits which I'll gladly do it is a any shares with everybody. He gets a podcasting memorabilia from you. Your cobalt. He has. I'll bring it. Hey Glenn, I got something for you museum buddy. Look at my look at this cube man. This cobalt. He has Rush Limbaugh's gold microphone.

2:51:40 He does? The original? Well, he says it is. I have no reason to doubt him. I know they made a bunch of them. Well... Evie made a bunch of gold ones. I think there's also a number of ruby red slippers. But if this was genuine lightsaber, that has Glenn Beck's name all over it. For sure. He goes all over the world trying to buy stuff. Hey, power to him. At least what I like about Glenn Beck is that you do the, he's a busy guy. I mean, he's got a million things going on. You do the show with him. He's like, hey, want to come see the museum? Want to see the update? Your friend, your friend, your friend wasn't here last time. Yeah, he has needs to see it. He'll take you along right into the museum.

2:52:20 And it's just like an hour and a half, two hour tour. That sounds great! Yeah, it is. He's a nice guy. I'm always appreciative of. And he's saving American stuff. I have like one piece of movie memorabilia. I have the... The kimono kind of jacket that Marlon Brando wore in the tea house of the August moon that was sold at the MGM auctions and bought by somebody who gave it to somebody who gave it to me as a gift. And that's about it. Oh, a friend of mine used to have that little, the Cuisinart or whatever the hell it was, but it was on the back of the car in Back to the Future. There was some sort of... Oh, really? He has the real one? A real piece? Yeah, he's got the one. He bought it at the auction for the... Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Unfortunately, he died. But I guess it's... Yeah, but who... You need to go knock on the door. Hey. Somebody's got that thing. I want my Cuisinart.

2:53:19 And what was it? Was it a quiescent or something? Microwave? Was it a microwave? No, it was a little device of some sort. I don't know, I forgot. It was on the back and you'd put something in it and grind it up and it'd make the car go fast. Nothing but logic involved. Was it the flux capacitor? It was something. Whatever it was. And I don't know too many people that collect movie... Actually, Brunetti's got a pretty decent collection of stuff. Who's René? Brunetti. Oh, Brunetti. Dana Brunetti. Oh, Dana. Dana Brunetti, yes. Yeah, Dana's got a collection of stuff, but it's all contemporary. It's nothing that I notice that is old. No, because he doesn't know what he's doing. He knows what he's doing. You need to give him some advice on collectibles. I mean, he should be swimming and he should have, I mean, the easy one is, I think I have a family guy script. Does that count?

2:54:14 Yeah, that does count. Now, so I was at the meetup, you know, I was at the meetup and there was a woman and her husband and the guy, the guy brought up a new possible Zed thing. He's a, he's a construct, he runs a construction company. Yes, Zeds, go Zeds. They can't read a tape. A tape? Like tape measure. What? You got a tape measure? They're clueless. He says they don't know what the hell it is or what you're supposed to do with it. What do you mean, they don't understand that it's to measure length? Yeah, all of the above. Skeptical. But his wife was there telling me that she has a place in Idaho and they go back and forth and her mom lives up there and her mom, this kind of busted my preconceived notions, her mom had a thrift store

2:55:08 And I was thinking, ah, so she'd like to collect stuff and the first thing you want to do is get it out of the house and you put up a thrift store and you move it out. You get rid of the stuff. But it turns out that that's not what happens if you own a thrift store. You end up collecting more stuff. I believe that to be true. Because all this cool stuff comes in. We got a note from a Zed's note, which by the way, we're not picking on Zeds. No, we're just pointing out some foibles. Anomalies, some foibles, yes. This producer was in the Air Force. No, he is in the Air Force. And they use nothing but Microsoft Office products. And a lot of the Zeds are just so used to using tablets and iPhones, when they sit at a computer, it's like a foreign language to them.

2:55:54 The sitting and staring at the screen is very commonplace. It's like they forget how to read and function when in front of a computer. They say, okay, what's next? And I'm sitting next to them reading the text on screen, which tells them exactly what to do next. He says, you're both right on the money with the assessment. I wanted to add this, the Zeds traditionally did not grow up with a computer in the home. When I ask these kids, they always say no. They had their phones and tablets and did everything and it just makes sense, but they have no idea how desktops work. Unless, of course, they were gamers. The gamers, he says, they're the best because they can actually build the computer right in front of your face. So yes, they understand that. But this, I find this to be a deficit in education, that they're only using tablets and touchscreens.

2:56:42 I mean, you should have, I mean, there's still no evidence that the mouse will actually, anyone wants these mice, but you should know how to use one. You know, and simple, simple thing. I mean, I guess they can probably do Google docs maybe, but they don't understand them. This is a problem for Microsoft. They have a whole generation growing up who don't know how to use their products. That's a problem. Well, I brought this up in the last show. They said, well, do they have computer literacy courses in high school anymore? Apparently it seems that they don't know. No, it's not. I think is a huge mistake. People don't even, I mean, you should not only be able to use a computer with efficiency and effectiveness, but you should be able to understand what's going on. So, you know, when you save a file and you go back to look for it,

2:57:36 It's either if you don't find it, you had this happen to you on the last show, what happened to this clip? You should be able to know how to find it on the machine because it obviously got put into the wrong folder. Well that all changed with iPads and iPhone. You're not really saving anything into a folder structure anymore, you just save it and then you hope that your word processing program or what is it, What does he use? Numbers! Numbers! And what's the... what is it instead of word they... what does Apple use? Lotus 1-2-3! Lotus 1-2-3? No! Yeah, they just look for recent.

2:58:22 You know, there's no concept of a file structure, a file and folder structure on these devices anymore. You should take a look at it. Who am I kidding? That's a mistake. Yeah. Because you need to know this because you're going to, unless you're just so... You're stuck in a very short time loop. Pages, thank you. Pages, yes. Pages, yeah, I know about that. You're stuck in a short time frame and that's not good because you want to be able to archive stuff that you do on a computer so you can retrieve it in the future, like maybe five years later. Yeah, but they just type it into Google, where's this document? And it comes back.

2:58:59 I'm telling you. You hope. Yeah, well obviously. I mean I use, I love this system that I use. What's it called? SFX? Everything. Everything. The everything. I've told you about this. I think you might have installed it at some point. It's free. You can donate, which I do. Everything. It's at voidtools.com. This actually would be a good tip of the day. And man, that thing, it is so fast. That's how I find all of these, when you say, hey, how about that clip from 1783? And I'm talking about the year, not the episode number. And I can find it with this program, because you can really refine the search and what it's looking for. And I have it set for audio files only. I mean, these are important. These are important skills to have. If you want to be a podcaster,

2:59:53 And everybody wants to be a podcaster. They sure do. They all want to be podcasters. All right, we'll give you a couple more because we're running late today. We're over time. Yeah, we went long on the Anglo-Dutch system. Let's just do these. These are the... I could do Baltimore crime. I'm going to push that off. I want to do one of these word things because it's kind of interesting because I actually knew this and learned it in high school, but a lot of people don't know where the word, the word robot comes from and how it evolved into what we, it's a new feature on NPR that I kind of like it. It's about the fact they weren't giving me credit. Oh yeah, right. So the word robot, let me just think, where does the word robot come from?

3:00:42 I'm just guessing, was it an acronym? No. They actually tell you in here, and I learned this, I believe, when I was a senior in high school because we discussed the, it comes from the title of a play. Huh, let's hear it. Everyone has an idea of what a robot is, but do you know where the word came from? No. NPR's Emma Bowman has the answer in the latest installment of our Word of the Week series. What kind of talk is this? Word of the Week series? Emma Bowman? When Melania Trump used the word just last week during a meeting with the White House Task Force on AI Education, she was referring to artificial intelligence.

3:01:25 The robots are here. Our future is no longer science fiction. Who wrote that for her, by the way? You're mean. You're mean to make Melania say, the robots are here. Back in 1920, Czech writer Karol Čapek first imagined the robot in his play R.U.R. Rossum's Universal Robots. In the satirical melodrama, the character Harry Doman runs a factory that churns out mechanical humanoid workers made of synthetic flesh and blood. The robots are not people. Mechanically, they are more perfect than we are.

3:02:02 They have an enormously developed intelligence, but they have no soul. Is this a robot talking? Is that a... You know, I don't know what that voiceover, they drop it in the blue, it may have been a line in the play that was read by AI. I think it was a line in the play. The work is what introduced robot to the English language. A negative connotation was built into the word from the start. Modernity is turning us all into machines. That's kind of the message. Tobias Higbee teaches labor history at UCLA. He says Chapek's work critiqued the sociopolitical climate of the time.

3:02:40 The rhetoric of the Doman character echoed that of Henry Ford, the industrialist who pioneered mass production with assembly lines. As technology advanced in auto production and elsewhere, the idea of the robot began evolving and talk soon pivoted to... How it would hurt workers by throwing them out of their jobs and denying them their livelihood. So robots became analogous to machines, not workers. That's how we got to Blade Runner, Terminator, and iRobot. Through it all, robot has held on to its same loose definition, says linguist Adam Aleksic. There's always this implication of it is a forced worker.

3:03:19 Well, I think they kind of skip over Lost in Space, going straight to Terminator. Yeah, you're right. Lost in Space is a better example. Yeah. Yeah, with that Robbie. Robbie the robot. I was a fan of Robbie the robot. He was in a lot of movies. Robbie the robot. The Jetsons had, what was their... Hazel. Hazel. Yeah, the robot. You kind of glossed over those. Well, they also gloss over the whole topic here as it falls apart. So here we go. He says, Chapek's army of roboti, which translated to robot in English, derives from the old Slavic word robota, meaning servitude or forced labor. The robot usually carries the looming threat to extinguish the human race.

3:04:06 It all goes back to RUR. You know, spoiler alert, at the climax of the play, the robots gain self-consciousness and slaughter all the humans. Nowadays, robots are being marketed as our assistants, girlfriends, pals, and our equals. Interpretations of the robot that stray further than ever from the word's definition in its 100-year history. Emma Bowman, NPR News. Yeah, that's interesting because you just know that these AI companies will never use the term robot because they don't want you to think that you can control them, that they're your slave. They always want you to think, well, one day it's going to eat you. It's going to take over the world. We just need more money for more compute.

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3:13:14 11 Labs, because I see a dadgum and I'm gonna play it to listen to what it is. Dadgum it! Another doozy of a podcast. Yep, there you go. You should try some different voices. I was using the girl for a while, the sexy girl, Jennifer, and you hated it after a while for hearing it too much, so I went to Caleb. We were in church this morning and you know, church is like a show. They got their music segment, they have a donation segment, they have a video promo segment, and

3:13:51 And it's like, for the women's ministry, I'm like, whose voice is that? They're using AI now. They're using AI for voiceover in the church. I'm like, oh man, we ran out of women? It was somewhat painful. For you, oh no, I, now that's the reason you, and today's show, You said you've given up, you're gonna let AI do its thing. Yeah, I have to. Just, we need to... Because the church has the influence over you. Oh yeah, it's the church that has influence. No, I'll have to talk to Jesus about it, see what he says. Here's my... You could get an AI voice back. I don't think so. Here is my first ISO. Am I living in the Twilight Zone? Yeah, it's not too bad.

3:14:42 Okay, and then I have this one. I could literally talk about this for three hours hours I hate to I hate to say it, but I think my Caleb one is better Then we'll go with the Kayla because I've given up on AI but not giving up on the tip of the day Okay, we're going to a sealant We haven't done a good sealant. We have rotation that we're gonna have a product, there's a product show, the sealant, silicon sealant. From ASI, the ASI 502 silicon sealant. This turns out to be something you can pretty much seal anything with. If you've watched the TV ads with the guy with the black goo and he puts it on everything, leaking boats and all this. This is better. Can you seal your muffler with it? Yes, I think you can. It's a new kind of a

3:15:38 a category of products called RTVs. RTVs? And RTVs are, it stands for room temperature vulcanization. Huh. And vulcanizing, which is invented to make fake tires, it started, and it was always a high pressure, high temperature, sulfur-related process that was intense. And room temperature vulcanization is kind of like, room temperature fusion, you know, it's kind of like, oh, you can't do that. But you kind of can and Mimi's actually used this stuff. If anyone has a Blendtec blender, which is good. Oh, you can blend anything. Will it blend? The will it blend guys? Well, they have these special mixing, the thing at the top, whatever you call it, container that has the knife blades in the bottom. Yes. Those things

3:16:38 Those things are specifically designed and they are expensive. They cost like over a hundred bucks to get one replaced. She had one leaking on her. Well the whole blender is like six or seven hundred dollars. The blenders are overpriced. But it does the job, let me tell you. But she used this RTV stuff on a crack in the thing and it's safe for food usage. It's got a special category, it's safe. Once it vulcanizes and becomes solid. It's a killer product, it comes in a tube, you can get it on Amazon and elsewhere. And once again, the name of that is?

3:17:18 The ASI 502 RTV silicon sealant. It's a winner everybody! Seal it and let us know how it went. There it is, John's tip of the day. Created fast for you and me. Just a tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Brunetti. Alright, there you go everybody. That's it for today. I'm sure there will be something else to discuss on Thursday. No doubt about it. as we've got our eye on the Anglo-Dutch connection, the system. This is my new beat. I'm excited about it. If you stick around on your modern podcast app or knowagenestream.com, you will hear random thoughts up next. Jail Reform Roulette is the title. I don't know what the guys are up to this time. I'm sure that will be fun. Thank you all for being with us today once again.

3:18:16 Be nice to each other and stay tuned for the end of show mix as Professor Jay Jones checks in. David Keck, the brand new end of show mix for him. He's got his studio back up and running and Secret Agent Paul. We need more from Secret Agent Paul. And we'll see you again on Thursday. Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in the vineyards of Fredericksburg, Texas. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley, we're... Please stand clear of the closing doors. I remain. I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll be back on Thursday. Remember us at noagendadonations.com. Until then, adios mofos! A-hooey-hooey! And such.

3:19:05 Beep, beep, beep, beep. Allow me to sum up this week's news. Hitler is back! Hitler! Hitler is back, everybody! How dare you? Let me take you back to 1939. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do. Hitler is back. 21% of Gen Z Americans think Adolf Hitler had some good ideas. Actual American Nazis. It's a Nazi rally. How dare you? Donald Trump has said he would terminate the Constitution of the United States. Out! Praising Adolf Hitler, saying Adolf Hitler did some good things. Certainly falls into the general definition of fascist. It's perfect. To celebrate the rise of Nazism. That Donald Trump would invoke Adolf Hitler. Back home, Donald!

3:19:54 Come to mommy, she goes back home to mommy. How is that casting aspersions? This is next level QAnon stuff? They'll say, you know, Trump supporters have set off a dirty bomb in Philadelphia. They're counting on us to help him win. They're counting on us to propagate their clips. Vowed to be a dictator on day one. Someone needs to calm her down. Hitler did not do some good things. Now, okay, you stop it there. The president just signed an executive order making some news here when it comes to pharmaceutical ads. You don't have to exercise, you don't have to pay attention to your diet. Whatever goes wrong with you, you can fix with it. They're gonna have to report all their side effects. In some cases, that might create an average length that's four minutes long. Prior to 1997, advertising in magazines had page after page after side effects reported. Whatever goes wrong with you, you use with a drug. Pharmaceutical ads.

3:21:11 If you're white, you're a racist. If you're male, you're a pig. If you're cis, you are privileged. Skin is shaving if you're big. And if you're straight, you're homophobic.

3:21:49 Heaven help if you're old So don't have an opinion And just do what you're told The best podcast in the universe! Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash N-A Dadgummit, another doozy of a podcast.