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00:00 Hey, I can't do Jack. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Sunday, March 30th, 2025. This is your Warden and Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 1751. This is no agenda. And broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here in FEMA Region Number 7 or 6. Good morning, everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where we're watching Canada. I'm John C. Dvorak. So this morning, one of our church ladies comes up to me and says, Adam, I have a question for you. What's that? Why do you always say FEMA region number six? And I realized there's a lot of people, and for some reason that was in my head and I said FEMA region number seven just a minute ago. I don't know what I was thinking.

00:51 And I realized that goes back to the Obama days. Yeah? Yeah, I had to explain it. People don't know what we're talking about. I think a lot of people don't know what we're talking about. That's what I told her. In general. Most of the stuff. You probably don't realize what we're talking about. Exactly. No, we just take stuff for granted. We do take stuff for granted. Hey, I had a dinner the other night. I had a dinner. Which was rather interesting this dinner. Well I guess so, you wouldn't brought it up. Well you're always asking me after the show, got any dinners? Got any dinners coming up? Yeah, something interesting, gets me out of the house. We need some dinner stories. This was a good dinner. The international arms dealer was there.

01:35 Ah, yes. He didn't really have anything new, although the entire fleet of African C-130s is now being outfitted with glass cockpits. But also there was the new CIO of the Department of Energy. who used to be on some kind of secret doge team. At the dinner at your house? No, it wasn't at our house. It was at one of our friends. It was like a 20 people dinner. We do these dinners. Oh, it's a big dinner. It's a Hill Country get-together. Oh, a gathering. Yeah, and this is... we'd never been to these people's home before. A nice house, big house, you know what I mean? Like big house, like one of those Texas... those Hill Country mansion houses.

02:19 And so the CIO, he shuttles between his home here and Washington DC, comes back for the weekends. Now he's given up, I think he's taken a 300% salary cut or something, but he's a patriot and that's why he's doing it. And so he's now the CIO of the Department of Energy and he says, this place is crazy. I said, what do they do with Department of Energy? He said, well, that's a good question. You know the Department of Energy owns Area 51, you could have grilled them on that. I didn't know that. You should have prepped me. I told you, I mentioned it on the show before. I completely forgot. I visited Nellis in Vegas and I got the tour of the place and got some training and

03:07 I got to sit in on some training it wasn't for me. Were you flying a saucer? Yeah, hold on to this stick. And the guy mentioned he says you know he just has one of these curiosities you know we got nothing to do with Area 51 it's owned by the Department of Energy. I always thought that was interesting. Well good because now I have something to ask him next time we have a Hill Country dinner. And I said, you know, what do you guys do? He said, well, that's a good question. What do you do? That's a good question. Excellent question. He was telling me about, you know, because he has a badge, he's got a badge. And so he shows up with his badge.

03:44 And they get... I mean he shows up with his badge. He's wearing a badge on his jacket? What are you saying? Well, that's what I said. I said, I mean, well, your badge to get into the building. He has a badge. He's got a badge. To get into the house for the... No, no, in the Department of Energy, you fool. Of course not. Also, he's wearing one of those badges around his neck or something. Does he know that he's not in Washington or what? No, no, I'm saying when he goes there, he was relating a story to me. Oh, I'm sorry. I misunderstood. Clearly. So he has his badge and he goes to the front entrance and he gets two guys to escort him. And he says, what is this about? I said, oh, no, sir, you with that badge, you're the equivalent of a two star admiral here, which sounds impressive. And so he goes on to tell me. Did he have the badge on him? No, no, no, no. He's like a little picture snapshot. He says what they mainly do is they run 12 labs

04:48 Labs, what do you mean labs? Well all the labs what these labs do mainly military stuff and it's very unclear what these 12 labs do They do stuff that has to do with energy stuff Yes, he says mainly military and he says there was some and I forgot the name of it there was some Organization some council inside the Department of Energy which I guess is gone now. I And they could, they were made up of military contracting companies and they could determine what stuff the labs would work on. This is a sweet deal these guys had going on over there. So he said, well, we got in one week $380 million in savings. Just chop some stuff up. He says, we'll see what happens in week two. It was unbelievable.

05:45 But the cool thing about that was just one of the minor brushes with greatness that I had. So this home where we were at, I had not met these people. Well, yeah, I knew them from church, but I had... By the way, these are all church people. These are the people who... Oh, they're all churchies. Oh, they're all churchies. Oh, yeah. No, this is my people. It's my spiritual family, John. And so they moved from Houston, and it's a nice house. You walk up to the house, and the house goes, you are now being recorded. Hi, welcome. What? It does? Yeah, you walk up to the house. Actually, it's the other way around. You're being recorded. Welcome. No, hi, you're being recorded. So anyway, I said cameras all over the place. Oh yeah. I say so. Hey man, what do you do? He says, oh, I sell a data centers. Oh, oh. So who do you sell them to? The hyperscalers. Oh, I got some questions for you. And, um, and he was, he has a free email account. That guy.

06:47 The hyperscalers are the AI companies. That's really who the hyperscalers are. So his company builds data centers to sell them to all the AI companies. And he was very open with me what's going on and why it comes at the end. So I say, hey, is it true? Because I heard about it and then CNBC, they were saying it wasn't true. Is Microsoft canceling contracts? He says, oh yeah, oh yeah. Plenty of companies are canceling contracts. Okay. I said, well, what is the problem? He said, well, there's a little bit of a downturn in the expectation of what they'll actually need for AI data centers. And he says, the biggest thing is now that the training of the models turns out might be a lot cheaper based upon the deep seek. See, all this got down. Yeah, the Chinese. That's what my son tells me. The Chinese thing has changed the way people are looking at this. Well, it gets worse or better in my case.

07:47 So, you know, having your data center out somewhere like at the oil barons former ranch that he sold for $15 million, it was worth three just because he had a transformer there and there's no one around. And I told him he'll be able to buy that ranch back for pennies on the dollar. It's going to come true. He says the big problem is the training, it's fine, you don't need to be anywhere, you can just be out in the middle of nowhere for training models. But now that that seems to be slowing down or the expectations are much more limited, he says now people need inference. Are you familiar with this term, inference?

08:23 Yeah, inference is a thing called an inference engine. Yeah, so that means when you need to query the system in real time, he says it's no good. It can't have latency, it can't be too far away, you need huge data pipes. And he says you can't do that with a Starlink satellite. It was fine for training the data, but now when you got to ship that data to end users, he says they're all in the wrong place. And I'm like, okay, so... How much delay? What amount of delay is acceptable? I use these things. If I have to wait five extra seconds, I don't care. Hey, are you going to argue with the guy who's living in the big house from this stuff or are you going to argue with me? No, the guy with the big house always wins. Don't argue with me, you're being recorded. He says the good news is a lot of Bitcoin miners are stepping up and they're taking over those data centers because we have liquid cooling.

09:20 And so I'm like, man, you know, do you care? He says, oh no, not really. Why not? Well, we got bought out by KKR and BlackRock a while ago. So everybody already got their money. It doesn't matter. They can blow that up at any time. They don't care. We don't care. Everybody got paid. Look at my house. Nobody cares. Have you seen my house? Nobody cares. Have you seen my house? Nobody cares. Nobody cares. So I'm thinking, I'm thinking there's trouble on the horizon. I said, well, how about quantum? He almost choked on his wine. Quantum. Quantum. Oh no. Oh no. Well, anybody who's anybody knows what's what. Yeah. Well, and so, you know, you can take that to DH Unplugged maybe. Give your fans over there some inside intel.

10:14 Well, it's not a stock pick. The hyper scalers are a big stock pick. Now they're bought by BlackRock. No, but he's not the hyper scaler. He sells to the hyper scalers. So yeah, but is he a public company? No, no, but the point, no, you have to understand the point is that when the picks and shovels aren't selling, that's the bottom of the mine. Everything up on top is falling apart. Take it all the way up to the top, up to Microsoft. With their Co-Pilot. Co-Pilot? Have you ever used it? Oh!

10:49 No, but Dave Jones has used it because you know he works I've never used it. I'm not you mentioned it. I keeps cropping up I find it to be a nuisance well if you if you say yeah, I'll try it then the first thing it tells me is all right Well, you've got to have your one drive set up. I'm like okay. Click. Oh, no. This is classic Microsoft I'm not gonna log in I am NOT going to log in no Dave Jones works in an accountancy firm CPAs and And he says, it never works. Nothing works for anybody there. They said, OK, co-pilot, draw me a pie chart. OK, I'm done. And there's no pie chart. There's nothing. It's just nothing.

10:14 Well, it's not a stock pick. The hyper scalers are a big stock pick. Now they're bought by BlackRock. No, but he's not the hyper scaler. He sells to the hyper scalers. So yeah, but is he a public company? No, no, but the point, no, you have to understand the point is that when the picks and shovels aren't selling, that's the bottom of the mine. Everything up on top is falling apart. Take it all the way up to the top, up to Microsoft. With their Co-Pilot. Co-Pilot? Have you ever used it? Oh!

10:49 No, but Dave Jones has used it because you know he works I've never used it. I'm not you mentioned it. I keeps cropping up I find it to be a nuisance well if you if you say yeah, I'll try it then the first thing it tells me is all right Well, you've got to have your one drive set up. I'm like okay. Click. Oh, no. This is classic Microsoft I'm not gonna log in I am NOT going to log in no Dave Jones works in an accountancy firm CPAs and And he says, it never works. Nothing works for anybody there. They said, OK, co-pilot, draw me a pie chart. OK, I'm done. And there's no pie chart. There's nothing. It's just nothing.

11:33 It just tells you it did it. It drew it in its mind. Well that's a good bit. It drew it in its own imagination. It's dumb. Well then let me get this out of the way since we got on this track just about AI because I think this warrants a little bit of conversation. I think this is a very interesting move. Elon Musk just made an announcement on X that that XAI has acquired X in an all stock transaction. It values XAI at $80 billion and X at 33 billion. Keep in mind, Musk bought X when it was then Twitter for $44 billion back in 2022. For more, we turn to Bloomberg's Max Chavkin who covers all things Elon Musk for us. So Max, he suggests that the combined company blends XAI's advanced AI capability and expertise with X's

12:22 massive reach. Are you surprised by this one? Well, in some ways I'm surprised because we have this, you know, late Friday news in which one Elon Musk company is buying another Elon Musk company. Not totally clear how they came up with the valuation. In another sense, it's not surprising because these two entities, XAI and X, have been kind of operating like one company. So X, which is the name for Twitter that Elon Musk gave it, has this chatbot inside of it, Grok. That Grok was created by XAI. XAI is training off of data from X. I know it's a lot of Xs there, essentially all your social media data. And it's also seemed like one of Musk's plans to make this Twitter acquisition pay off. He paid $44 billion

13:11 and then promptly lost a lot of the advertising was to kind of pivot to AI. So you did sort of think how is he gonna do this while having XAI as a separate company and I think now we have the answer. Well it was poor reporting by Bloomberg first of all it was really 45 billion but they carry over 12 billion in debt. This is a great way to keep everybody hanging in there. Hey man, Your $44 billion valuation just almost doubled. Congratulations! Now you're a proud owner of XAI stock. Nobody has any stock. It's privately held. No, it's... Of course they have stock. It's internal stock. He has like 40 shareholders. Oh, you mean the investors? The 10? Yeah. 40? I thought there was only 10. No, no. It's a huge list.

13:59 Huge list that list is public. This is the kind of creative accounting that you run into when you This is again an example of Musk. He must have some like King. He can't have superstar Yeah, he doesn't know how to cook the boy doesn't have time to do this someone else But he's got he found the guy the guy hello. I'm the guy and The guy who can do this and that, he's a juggler, you know, he's going to look at this, watch me act, watch this, whoa. It just turned into two balls. Woo! It's amazing. It's amazing. Magician. And so he found a magician and he did his magic and there you have it. But the best part of that report is that, uh,

14:44 XAI Grok is trained on X. Oh man, how can that be any good down the road? It's just gonna be slop. I mean, X is also learning about those TikTok nut jobs that you always bring clips from. So it's learning all that stuff. It's learning. It could probably create a TikTok maniac. This learning term, I have one more clip here, this learning term is a very tricky term. It's not copying stuff. No, no. It's learning. Open AI is urging the Trump administration to loosen regulations on its industry surrounding one of the most controversial aspects, copyrighted material. The tech giant submitted its proposal to the federal government Thursday pushing the need for speed in AI innovation and to remove guardrails against tech companies, pointing to what it considers dangers posed for AI coming out of Beijing.

13:59 Huge list that list is public. This is the kind of creative accounting that you run into when you This is again an example of Musk. He must have some like King. He can't have superstar Yeah, he doesn't know how to cook the boy doesn't have time to do this someone else But he's got he found the guy the guy hello. I'm the guy and The guy who can do this and that, he's a juggler, you know, he's going to look at this, watch me act, watch this, whoa. It just turned into two balls. Woo! It's amazing. It's amazing. Magician. And so he found a magician and he did his magic and there you have it. But the best part of that report is that, uh,

14:44 XAI Grok is trained on X. Oh man, how can that be any good down the road? It's just gonna be slop. I mean, X is also learning about those TikTok nut jobs that you always bring clips from. So it's learning all that stuff. It's learning. It could probably create a TikTok maniac. This learning term, I have one more clip here, this learning term is a very tricky term. It's not copying stuff. No, no. It's learning. Open AI is urging the Trump administration to loosen regulations on its industry surrounding one of the most controversial aspects, copyrighted material. The tech giant submitted its proposal to the federal government Thursday pushing the need for speed in AI innovation and to remove guardrails against tech companies, pointing to what it considers dangers posed for AI coming out of Beijing.

15:42 The proposal is part of OpenAI's efforts to influence the Trump administration's AI Action Plan, a tech strategy report initiated by an executive order from President Donald Trump and being drafted by the Office of Science and Technology Policy, which must be submitted by July. Open AI's push for influence comes after the Trump administration announced the company as part of its Stargate initiative, which gives billions of dollars to big tech for AI infrastructure investment. Open AI, however, is currently in a legal and PR battle with Elon Musk, who owns rival AI startup XAI and is one of the president's top advisors. In its

16:21 proposal, OpenAI expressed frustration with regulations that restrict large language models from learning from copyrighted content and expanded fair use material to train with, claiming it needs the freedom to innovate in the national interest and a voluntary partnership between the federal government and the private sector instead of overly burdensome state laws. This is truly the only danger of these types of people running around in our government is our president, he has no idea. He trusts, he tru- oh yeah, that was great. AI's gonna run the world, it's phenomenal. It's just, what could go wrong? And it's crap. Microsoft is not a dumb company. When they say, eh, I think we're gonna chill out a little bit on this stuff. Yeah, it's the same thing they do with the internet, I might add. Oh, of course. Well, at least, well yeah, you're right. But then, maybe Trump will say, I invented AI, like Al Gore. It's just, um,

17:21 And now OpenAI wants to broaden fair use. Oh, okay. Well, that's great. Can I just play songs on the podcast? Can I play songs on the podcast now just to broaden up the fair use clause, which is already kind of open to interpretation. It's like, this is going nowhere. It really is. I know you keep saying that but keeps chugging away. Well, okay, let's just presume it's really going somewhere. It's really great. Allow me to play a clip from our new CDC director Susan Monarez. A lot of people not happy with her.

18:08 No, this is this is this reminds me of the situation with the which I don't have any clips I hear I hear chimes again John I'm hearing China. I just I'm kicking it cuz I got my feet up on the desk. I'm here is it me is It's you Jesus is coming. I hear chimes. I can yeah you said probably for you so I got my feet up on the desk and leaned back in the chase and I And I got the chime thing is at the foot of my feet. It's right there so I can kick it like this. Yeah. And it makes a ding, but I'm using a highly directional microphone. You don't understand. Because we have a noise gate, if it was there in the background the whole time, people wouldn't notice it that much. But now whenever you talk, you just hear these chimes in the background. No, that doesn't change my...

18:57 That doesn't change my attitude about this. I'm using a highly directional mic. The chimes are at the back and a mile away. And the fact that this mic is picking it up, it has to be a reflection. You should be using the Curry One microphone. Oh, I'm sorry, you can't buy it. So no, never mind. But it's coming. Yeah, it's coming. So we're going to go back to the CDC director, Susan Monaris. This is when she was over at DARPA giving a little presentation. What we can expect, I presume, from her as director of the Center for Disease Control. fifth

19:53 empower them to make great decisions. We also think about AI from the provider side. How can we help providers better understand their patients? What happened to doctors? It's just providers. It's just some... That's because a lot of the doctors have been pushed aside for these nurses and these other... There's a second one. Yeah, nurse injectors. Nurse practitioner there's another thing is a provider It's just dudes named Ben who press a button on the AI but I don't know anything Well, they know how to press the button on the AI bar. Can we help providers? Optimize their time within the health system as they're seeing patients as they're trying to make complex decisions to create the conditions for improved patient health outcomes improved patient health outcomes How about I don't die is that is that an outcome I can?

20:43 choose that option please. We also think about AI from the defensive side so we understand that there is a great vulnerability. The defensive side? The defensive side... What? What? What? What does that even mean? Well, let's see if she explains it. We also think about AI from the defensive side. So we understand that there is a great vulnerability within the health ecosystem. More and more is coming online in the Internet of Things that are going to have an incredibly positive effect. All she does is buzzwords. The Internet of Things. That's so... Who hired this woman? RFK Jr.

21:20 Well, he's got his head up his ass if he gave her a job. But we also know it creates vulnerabilities. And so we're using that same AI technology to help defend against those vulnerabilities, to anticipate the negative implications that are happening within the health systems. Negative implications like you died. And to try to stay ahead of it. ARPA-H takes on the entirety of the health ecosystem. She's the buzzword machine. Yeah, internet of buzzwords. She has said nothing. No, it's the internet of buzzwords. She's perfect. Try to stay ahead of it. ARPA-H takes on the entirety of the health ecosystem. Entirety? The entirety of it. Biomedical research. It's not just resilient systems. It's not just investing in the tech of the future.

22:03 It is all of those and what we do is we actually... It's all of those. It gets better and better. It is all of those and what we do is we actually go out and we seek these incredible innovators. We call them our program managers. Program managers. Now there's a new position. They're incredible innovators by the way. Yes, the program managers. Not just an innovator but they're incredible innovators. Incredible innovators. They're great. We actually go out and we seek these incredible innovators we call them our program managers we call them our program managers and they come to us and they say you know here are the big problems that we're seeing in the health ecosystem space the health ecosystem space.

22:47 It's got it. What's the acronym for that health ecosystem? Yes, that's not good. We will fund anything across the health ecosystem so long as it helps further our mission, which is to improve health outcomes for everyone. Oh, everybody, your health outcomes are going to improve. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Croc a crap that is. I knew you'd love it. It's great. It's great. Hold on a second. You played this as some sort of slam against AI. It's got nothing to do with any of it. Well, about the hype of it, it does. She's yammering about nothing. The problem is these types of people believe this stuff.

23:29 I mean look, Queen Ursula is already talking about investing in quantum. Oh, we need to have quantum systems. You make me laugh. She's taking European money and blowing it away. That's burning. Yeah, that would be one way of doing it. I guarantee you that Susan Jamoche will be talking about quantum soon. I can guarantee, put it in the Red Book. Quantum. I don't have to put it in the book, you're right. Right now you're right. And where's Larry Ellison? He's Mr. Healthcare. He should be talking, oh, you know, we got it. We have to be prepared for quarantine. He's almost died. I mean, the guy's, you know, accident prone. So he's like very health oriented. He's, oh yeah, he crashed his plane and stuff, doesn't he? Well, no, that he's gotten into the surfing wreck, I think. He's just, he's out in the oceans all the time. And he's just a couple of, he has had issues. Well, speaking of wrecks and then I'll get off the Elon stuff.

24:23 This report made me think of something that I remember as a kid. Now the lithium ion batteries like the ones in EVs are completely changing how fire departments are responding to these emergencies. I talked to an expert who is traveling all over the country training fire departments. I think that this is probably one of the most, in the fire service career, you know decades, hundreds of years, This is probably the most challenging time for the fire service in history. And it has barely even, we've barely touched it at this point. So while these batteries have more power and they're lasting longer, the big concern is the design of the car and then if that battery is damaged, nothing like a crash. These fires and end up burning faster and hotter as much as 2000 degrees.

25:10 firefighters carry 500 gallons and if you're not near a hydrant, let's say you're in the middle of the highway or somewhere rural, that could mean rotating out engines or bringing in portable water. And if there's one thing firefighters hope you take away from this is that a lot of EV car doors are electric and that can go out during a fire and then you are stuck inside. There's actually a manual way to open up those car doors. You just have to know where it is. That information would be in your emergency guides. Ask Mitch McConnell's sister.

25:55 You know, that's the one thing about these cars I don't quite understand is why do they have to make it so everything's electrified? I mean a mechanical door opener. Yes. It seems more logical, so practical because if the electricity goes out you can't get out of the car. Oh yeah, there's some mechanism but nobody knows how to use. I think it's pure cost. I mean that what is the beauty of the electric vehicle? that it has far far less moving parts you just slap yeah moving parts do cost more but how much more does it cost well that so that's the question. A buck? Five bucks? Ten? This is the question what is the cost of safety so now we all know without a doubt you crash your electric vehicle you have a chance of

26:41 that not only will your vehicle ignite at 2000 degrees, it can't be put out easily, and they'll have to have the jaws of life because you can't figure out how to open up your door. And it reminded me Of this. In the 1970s, Ford's Pinto had a major defect. The gas tank was prone to explode in rear-end collisions. What made this controversial wasn't just the flaw itself, but Ford's internal cost-benefit analysis that revealed that it would be cheaper to pay off lawsuits than to fix the design, resulting in an estimated number of 180 deaths. Do you think they've done the cost-benefit analysis of the battery igniting in electric vehicles?

27:22 I think all these car companies, all they do is cost-benefit analysis. I don't know where you got that old clip. I had to go look for one. Boy, I'll bet you did. I had to search. I had to search. But yeah, they do cost-benefit analysis on everything. That's probably why they don't have the mechanical door opener. Right. Although it is kind of cool the thing comes out and everyone thinks everything's cool, but it's still dumb. Yeah. Well, it's not cool. It's literally not cool if you're frying alive inside. But that was such a big deal. You should have one of those ping You know, you have these things... Yeah, the hammer, the hammer pitch. A little bitty hammer with a piece of... it's got a little tip on it that's diamond. With a razor blade to cut your seatbelt. Diamond tip, yes. It's true, it does that too. Because that's not going to unlatch either. But you're moving beyond the point. How can... this was a huge deal in the 70s. This was a big deal. My grandmother had her pinto. She's like, uh...

28:23 It wasn't that they were blowing up left and right, but it did happen. But it was the as the clip just explained it was the fact that they said well it's cheaper just to solve the lawsuits than to fix the problem. I'm sure it is with these with these cars. Now the 50,000 gallon thing what bothers me. 5,000 not 50, 5,000. Or 5,000 as opposed to 500. Yeah. And it was a factor there of 10. Yeah, 10. So is that If somebody, and I don't understand why this can't be done chemically, because it's a chemical reaction. A flower. I hear flower is a good way to put out fires. I don't think it's good on this. There's got to be some chemistry that you can employ that would put this fire out. There has to be. I don't think so. These things are just, these are nuclear generators. This is a lithium fire. This is like sodium does the same thing. Well, let's ask Grok.

29:19 I don't think Grok would know because I don't think it's in the literature. What chemical compound can extinguish a lithium-ion battery fire? Answer the question, go! Well, nothing. Oh wait. Best compounds to extinguish lithium-ion battery fires. Lith-X, which is a graphite-based powder. Lith-X. Never heard of it. I think Grok is making something up. Hey, it's another good product. Lith X. Yes, got an X in it. Must be something. Class D dry powder extinguishers, which often contain sodium chloride or copper based powders. Fire suppressant gels.

30:13 Or tetra potassium pyrophosphate. Now you're talking, now it sounds like something that would do something. TKPP is what they call it. Tetra potassium pyrophosphate. What not to use? Water. CO2 or halon. Halon, definitely not halon. Anyway. Well the problem with water is that it, you know, like for example sodium, And they've talked about sodium batteries too, which are just explosive. Is that sodium, when it comes, metallic sodium comes in contact with water, it begins to

30:56 Form hydrogen it breaks the water down yeah into hydrogen and oxygen and then they catch on fire explodes nice And that's a lot of kids used to do in certain colleges and high schools when we had labs certain college well some labs Some jerk would grab a chunk of sodium if you could get a hold of it throw it down the toilet and flush it oh like it's like a cherry bomb plus So somewhere down the line, the thing would explode and blow up to the sewer. Not a good idea. No. Anyway, another reason to keep kids away from chemistry. Yeah, keep them away from chemistry and don't drive these battery cars. They just don't seem like safe products. I don't care what they tell me. It's not a safe product.

31:45 Coming in over the transom this morning from your gal with the manhands. Is Welker the manhands lady? Yeah, Welker. Welker, Welker the manhands. President Trump called her personally this morning, called her and told her to Tell America the following. Just hours ago, President Trump called me to tell me he is, quote, pissed off with Russia's President Putin and threatened to impose secondary tariffs on Russia's oil. Quote, if Russia and I are unable to make a deal on stopping the bloodshed in Ukraine, and if I think it was Russia's fault, which it might not be, but if I think it was Russia's fault, I am going to put secondary tariffs on all oil coming out of Russia.

32:31 Mr. Trump said 25% tariffs on Russian oil could happen any moment and told me he plans to speak with President Putin this week. The president told me, quote, I was very angry, pissed off when Putin started getting into the election. She likes saying that. She likes saying it. This is the only, because it's a quote. She would never say it normally on TV because she's not like, you know, a cussing Democrat. She's a Democrat but not a cusser. But now this gives her the excuse to do it. It's like shithole countries. It's perfect. I get to say pissed off. The president told me, quote, I was very angry. Pissed off. when Putin started getting into Zelensky's credibility and started talking about new leadership in Ukraine. Wait, but wait, there's more. On Iran, the president said he's also considering secondary tariffs if Iran doesn't agree to a nuclear deal. Quote, if they don't make a deal, there will be bombing. And it will be bombing the likes of which they have never seen before. Bomb them, bomb them, and bomb them again. Woo, baby!

33:32 President Mad, Mad, he's mad. Pissed off. You know why? He looks hungry man. He's lost a lot of weight. Have you noticed this? No I have not. Oh, he must have dropped 25 pounds at least. At least. I wonder why. Bobby. Bobby is probably right. Bobby is like, hey Donald, Mr. President, you're a fat slob. You really... this is not good. The president sets the tone, so everybody's cussing. That's good. Good work, Mr. President. You got everyone cussing. You got that part done. You got everyone cussing. You got Welker saying pissed off. That's good. That's good. You got everyone shaking in their boots. You're gonna bomb the Iranians like they've never been bombed before.

34:15 But you got to get America healthy again. Aha! You got to get America healthy again. You've got to lose some weight. You know you might be right because Trump I think is amenable to the idea that he sets the moral tone and that and it's more than a moral time is it's a moral tone basically, but it's also the you know like JFK is the one who initiated the five-mile hike yeah, everyone should go on a five-mile hike and they everyone was going on five-mile hikes yes, I'm reason yes, yes and And the president looks happier for it. His face looks good. He probably has much less inflammation.

34:58 He looks good. Yes, he's his his his triglutarates or whatever is I'm sure they're all down. He's got glutarate. His numbers are down and America loves this president. This is CNN. He's basically more popular than he was at any point in term number one and more popular than he was when he won election back in November of 2024. What are we talking about? It's net favorable rating right now comes in at minus four points. Compare that to where he was when he won in November of 2024 when he was at minus 7 points or March of 2017 when he was at minus 10 points. So when you compare Trump against himself, he's actually closer to the apex than he is to the bottom of the trough. And of course, that's so important because Donald Trump

35:42 Historically speaking, his numbers are underestimated. This is great. I love it. He's close to the apex. This guy comes on CNN all the time and he's jumping around and he's going nuts. He's good. He's closer to the apex than the bottom of the trough. Nice. So here's an ABC report on the H since we're talking about Bobby the HHS cuts job cuts And so I'll play this report and then after that out of the horse's mouth himself on the kid Cuomo show So listen to this report tonight the Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F Kennedy jr Announcing a massive overhaul the agency that oversees America's health supervises Medicare and Medicaid and monitors food and drug safety

36:23 It includes cutting 20,000 people from the department, a quarter of its workforce. This will be a painful period for HHS as we downsize from 82,000 full-time employees. to around 62,000. I wanna promise you now that we're gonna do more with less. But experts including Dr. Richard Besser, former- Did you notice there was a little edit there? Director of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, insists you can't cut that many jobs without people in America, quote, suffering. I worry that in this drive to cut positions and save money, critical programs that impact on people's lives are going to be cut as well.

37:17 This is a jobs program that's kind of overlooked in all this. No, you're correct. It's a form of welfare. What the media has been doing, the M5EV, has been continuously getting people on who are, if not outright saying it, insinuating Your Medicare is gonna get cut, your Medicaid is gonna get cut, your Social Security, you might as well kiss your check goodbye. Trump's in town, it's Musk, scratch a Tesla. Critical programs that impact on people's lives are gonna be cut as well. Kennedy also plans to consolidate agencies within HHS. We're gonna eliminate an entire alphabet soup of departments and agencies while preserving their core functions by merging them into a new organization.

38:01 called the Administration for a Healthy America or AHA. The FDA will lose 3,500 employees and the CDC will lose 2,400. That agency also narrowing its scope to focus on preparing for and responding to epidemics and outbreaks. For decades, the agency has handled so much more, monitoring nationwide health trends, including chronic diseases, firearm injuries, and overdose deaths. So this is all just negative spin. all negative spin and they've even cut out the part where he says the following on the Kid Cuomo show. We're not going to cut services, we're not going to cut Medicaid, we're not going to cut Medicare, we're going to continue, we're going to provide services but more efficiently. We have, thanks to Elon, and by the way, what Elon did with our agency is going to help our agency, so I'm very grateful to him for me. He came in for the first time with a real org chart for the agency

38:55 The agency org chart when I arrived was incomprehensible. There was no chain of command. There were people operating in all these different silos and fiefdoms, and they were so territorial and so self-serving that they were selling patient information to each other. So I tried to get to see them as patient information which belongs to the American people and belongs to HHS. And the sub-agencies said we have to buy it from them. And it doesn't make any sense. There are some agencies that refuse to give us patient data. This is depersonalized data. We need to make American healthy again. What we're trying to, what Elon is doing is he's using AI to improve health, to improve efficiency, to improve delivery. And he had a bunch of geniuses come over to the department, create an org chart that worked and consolidate.

39:51 Many divisions that are doing the exact same thing we need to consolidate them and give them a sense of mission to invite them to participate in making our country healthier again and I think that's why we're getting you know a very very strong enthusiastic reaction on people within the agency yeah, well so they didn't really tell you all that he had to go to Newsmax and to get that information. That wasn't Newsmax. That was NewsNation. Oh, I'm sorry. It's right next to it on channel 735. It's not, yeah, it's a completely different operation. NewsNation is done by the Chicago Tribune. Right. Newsmax is done by some right-wingers. But I think they still have the same amount of viewership, I'm just guessing. Yeah, none. Yeah.

40:42 So what I thought was a very interesting piece and it showed that it was good because you really, I've been monitoring since Friday, not a single M5M, like an MSNBC, CNN, or any of these outfits have used any clips to say these guys are, they suck, they're no good. And that was the executive Doge team on Brett Baier. Did you have a chance to watch that? That was dynamite. I have a couple of short clips if you want to hear some. I'd love to. I mean, I have to say that it's, this is another example of Musk's real talent. Yeah.

41:19 Which is picking guys like this. He just had a bunch of heavy hitters. He had like the co-founder of Airbnb, a billionaire, you know, one guy's CFO for five public companies or something. All these, yeah, heavy hitters. And they're all sitting there and like, oh yeah, well this is what we do. And did you notice the milieu in so far as at least two of them on the group Talk just like must. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah fast patter and kind of You know the kind of this this weird milieu style that is that's Particular peculiar to that group. Well, I hear they all they all go out back and smoke cigars from time to time I can't divulge where I heard that from but I believe that to be true. I wouldn't be surprised Yeah, of course is what you do. Hey boys bonos. Let's crack a Cohiba. Oh

42:11 We routinely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more casually For example, the simple survey that was a 10-question survey that you could do with SurveyMonkey cost you about $10,000. The government was being charged almost a billion dollars for that. For just a survey? A billion dollars for a simple online survey, do you like the national park? And then there appeared to be no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey. So the survey would just go into nothing. It was insane. Now, later in there, one of his lieutenants said, well, it was 860 million, which I thought was, that's not quite a billion dollars. So that was a little reckless. Well, if you listen to him carefully, I listened to that again. Must says almost a billion. Yeah, I know. Almost a billion. Well, it's almost a billion. Well, that's a little over half a million. By his calculations, I mean, the guy's worth 300 billion. So it's like almost a billion, not quite. Oh, I dropped a billion. Whatever. Who cares?

43:14 So here is the big social security fraud which rings very true. The two improvements that we're trying to make to social security are helping people that legitimately get benefits protect them from fraud that they experience every day on a routine basis and also make the experience better. I'll give you one example is... This is one of those milieu guys. This was the guy sitting next to her. At social security, one of the first things we learned is that We get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information. So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security. We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters.

43:56 40% that's right almost half yes, and they steal people's social security is what happens is they call in they say they claim to be a retiree Then they they and they convince the first the social security person on the phone to change the where the where the money is flowing It actually goes to some fraudster This is happening all day, every day. And then somebody doesn't receive their Social Security because of all the fraud loopholes in the Social Security system. Now I want to believe this, but I know that Tina just recently changed her Social Security bank information and she could not make a phone call. So maybe, I mean, she hadn't tried it previously, of course, and she had to do it online and they said it would take two months, which seems like a long time.

44:44 But I can, if you indeed can call in, then I'm sure that's probably true. So let's go back to HH. Yeah, we're getting fraudsters on the phone. This is a situation that, you know, why don't we get to the heart of this? You can complain about this. Oh yeah, these fraudsters are calling this way and that way. This whole, all these phone scams, whether they're fraudsters stealing somebody's social security or they're trying to get me to buy some dumb thing that doesn't exist or get my bank account number. I just don't get it why we can't put a stop to this once and for all. Oh, I can tell you. I know, I know, this and that. There's a system the way it's set up. No, no, no. You don't know. You can jump all over me and say I know, but you don't know. You know nothing.

45:35 I know something. Well, you know a little. What I was going to say is what will come out of Musk's mouth will be there's no other way we all have to have a digital ID. Oh well, that doesn't surprise me you'd say that. Or at least an X account. If everybody gets an X account we'll make sure that you'll never be defrauded again. That's I don't see any other way to do it. You can clone phone numbers. So that's easy online. That's the problem right there. That's the yeah cloning phone numbers is easy. You just said it. Yeah, but that should not be the case. You shouldn't have to have a digital ID. You should be it should be impossible to clone phone numbers. That's the kicker.

46:20 You're gonna get a digital ID. It's just... It's not gonna help. No, but... I'll have a digital ID and then some fraudster will call me up with a phony digital ID or whatever. Doesn't make any difference. They're gonna clone a phone number they don't have. The next thing you know, they're gonna be trying to scam me. How about this? You just have to show up in person at your office and you get cash. Nobody will do that. I'm telling you, they gotta do something. It's the phone system at at writ large, let's use that term, there you go, writ large. The phone system itself is flawed. Yeah, but the Internet's any better? A web browser? I'm worried about the phone right now. Okay, well you don't even use a phone. Well that's beside the point. Okay.

47:09 Let's go to HHS. And so when you think about making great medical discoveries, you have to connect the data. Time out. You said 27 different chief information officers? Correct. Correct. And most of them are non-technical. So there's a lot there. There's a lot of opportunity. It will make science better, not worse.

47:45 All right. They had similar complaints about the IRS. Brad mentioned 27 CIOs. If you kept going with Brad, he'd probably talk about the communications office. I think you've got 40 distinct communications offices in HHS. I love that. Communications offices. That's marketing departments. That's wasteful. 40 offices. So you've got that, you've got overstaffing. A good example of overstaffing would be the IRS has got 1,400 people who are dedicated to provisioning laptops and cell phones. So if you join the IRS, you get a laptop and a cell phone, you're provisioned. So if each of those IRS officers or employees provisioned two employees per day, you could provision the entire IRS in a little more than a month.

48:57 That's always great. That's great. And then this one, this is one that I would look at in my own company when we had 700 employees. This is an easy one. And just the one that just is in my head right now, which is a fairly mundane one, but I think is very illustrative is credit cards. There are in the federal government around 4.6 million credit cards for around 2.3 to 2.4 million employees. This doesn't make sense. And so one of the things all the teams have worked on is we've worked with the agencies and said, do you need all these credit cards? Are they being used? Can you tell us physically where they are? I hope they're getting frequent flyers.

49:38 On a different note, the rewards program the federal government has is actually not very good. That's a whole other negotiation. Yeah, exactly. But so far the teams have worked together and they've reduced it from $4.6 million to $4.3 million. So we're still taking it easy. But clearly there should not be more credit cards than there are people. Oh man. You know, in Think New Ideas, That was the company I mentioned with 700 people. We had one guy with one credit card doing all the travel. And we started noticing that his wife had nice jewelry and they had all kinds of cool gadgets at home, brand new vacuum cleaners. And turns out he was taking all of the rewards points and cashing them in for himself.

50:31 It was a classic. Oh yeah, I think a lot of... I think that happens everywhere. I bet it's happening in government. They're guffawing about the rewards program. I'll bet you there's lots of people like, oops. Oh boy, I was taking those points. getting free flights everywhere. I think that's what you would do if you had the opportunity you have this card you're centralized something or others or you're doing a lot of charging and reward points for building up not for the company but for you. For you, yes. Yeah, what would you do? What would anyone do? And here's my final pitch for digital ID the minute you pop out of the womb people.

51:08 that the government has defrauded is that the computer systems don't talk to each other. So if the computer systems don't talk to each other, then you can exploit that gap and exploits that gap to take advantage. For example, there were over $300 million of small business administration loans that has been given out to people under the age of 11. What I'm trying to add to it is 300 million under the age of 11 and over 300 million to over the age of 120. Definitely small business loans. Yes, the oldest American is 114 So it's safe to say if their ages are 115 or above if they're they're fake Or they should be in the Guinness Book of World Records And we we should not be giving out loans to babies so the

51:56 The youngest recipient of a small business administration loan is a nine-month-old, which is a very precious baby we're talking about here. So obviously it was just fraudulent. And they do terrible things. They actually will see that a kid's been born, they will steal that kid's social security number and then take out a loan and leave that kid with a bad credit rating. There's literally a baby. The terrible things are being done is what we're saying. I'm telling you. It's either that or a tattooed barcode. They gotta come up with some ideas here. It's not gonna fly. Barcodes. Yeah. And then, uh... And then this'll be the final one.

52:37 Because of course, you know what Elon is doing is he's destroying the government. He's destroying everything He's he's gonna take away your Social Security President Elon. Let's go protest at that Tesla store People are organizing protests across the country against Elon Musk's role in the federal government Several protests took place today in the suburbs and in Chicago WGN's Angelica Sanchez reports on today's demonstration near the mag mile the road. Elon Musk is set to go. Outside the Tesla showroom on Chicago's Rush Street. I'm really upset about what's going on with the government and Elon Musk's hand in it. Protesters urge Tesla vehicle and stock owners to sell. Sell your car. I'm very concerned that someone who was not elected to the federal government has this much power.

53:30 I think it's important that we all show up and say something. Saturday marks a global day of action in the Tesla takedown movement with demonstrations planned outside Tesla dealerships across the country against Elon Musk and his role in the Department of Government Efficiency. Seven of those demonstrations are at Chicagoland locations. He does not speak for Congress and yet it seems like institutions and the administration more broadly are acquiescing to these demands. Fans of Musk are vowing to counter protest the movement and some showed up to defend the billionaire in some cities. Musk is pushing to improve the image of Doge. In a Thursday interview with Fox News he stated he is being careful and compassionate with his overhaul of the federal government even as criticism has been mounting over his previous posts on X and emails demanding information from federal workers. So at 12 noon

54:24 Many of these protests just stopped just stop the people left Why you ask why because they were hired they were only there for hours There was time there no overtime no overtime, and I have a copy here of the chant sheet I shall give you a few of the chants that the indivisible organization handed out to everybody Elon Musk go to Mars. We don't want your swastikas Elon Musk is unelected. Democracy must be protected. The people united will never be defeated. That doesn't even rhyme. What is that? That's a bad one. That's no good. Hey, hey, ho, ho, President Musk has got to go. Or, we will not cooperate with your techno-fascist state. And two more. Public workers work for us. Can't say that for Elon Musk.

55:27 And my favorite, Democrats grow a spine, now's the time to draw the line. So what I find fascinating is not almost walking distance from my house here is one of the regional Tesla repair centers. And on the streets, there's probably 50 Teslas all around, just surrounding that. There's no protests around here. Nobody in Berkeley, which is loaded with Teslas, is getting their cars swastika'd or anything. Nobody in California, at least Northern California, nobody's... This isn't happening. Well, have you ever heard the term, don't piss in your own nest? They're all going out of state. Apparently. Yeah.

56:18 So it's just political, it's pathetic political theater is all that it is. And then you got Chuck Schumer yelling like, we're gonna drag President Trump's ratings down. Oh wow, Schumer. Wow. Wow. But meanwhile- That guy got lucky with the Miranmar earthquake which sucked up all the news. Yeah, you gotta wonder if that was the earthquake machine. I hate to say it. Yes, that's the first thing I thought me too because that was a doozy man because I've been to Bangkok and I've been to well right underneath the heaven Myanmar which they have here, but they had the second town. Yeah, but that's 600 miles away

57:03 That's I know and you see the rooftop pool yeah where all the water's coming off the side like and they went by the time it hits the street they had a there's one video floating around where Because people were talking about over dinner about well, you know water coming down. It's just like rain, but no no way It's the street like of months. It's not like a monsoon. It hits it's like a tidal wave It just whacks the street and just wipes everybody out. Have you seen the video from atop that pool? Yeah, we're sloshing around. Yeah and The floating stuff is going over the side. I thought, because I saw that video on X and like, oh man, is someone going to get sloshed right over? That would, I mean, sad, but that would have been awesome. That would have been awesome. But I mean, and those apartment buildings that were under construction coming straight down, almost like the twin towers is interesting. It kind of reminded me that it literally collapsed unto itself.

58:03 But that is a... Now, is that a known fault line from Burma down to Bangkok? I'd never heard of that. I don't know what that... It hasn't been explained yet, but I do have a couple of clips to catch up to it. All right. This is BBC, of course, and you might as well use your voice. And now time for the BBC World Service. Yeah, this is an earthquake story. Okay, from the BBC World Service. Oh, by the way, this is the only good news. This is funny because they had a... They were just tons of material on this earthquake but this was the kind of the good news story I thought was cute. Oh nice. And now, good news from BBC World Service. The death toll from the earthquake in Myanmar is already up to 1,600 people. This is your good news? It becomes good news. It gets better, okay.

58:51 And that number is expected to rise quite sharply probably as more information comes out. It is hard to get a clear picture of what's happening in the worst hit areas and there are a number of reasons for that. There is a civil war. Communications are for the large part down occasionally as you'll hear we do get some voice notes out. The ability of journalists to do their job is also an issue. Reporters Without Borders says reporters there face the risk of torture, arrest or murder so obviously are very cautious in what they say. Mandalay is the hardest-hit city in Myanmar and in neighboring Thailand 11 people are known to have died and at least 50 construction workers are still missing that's because they were actually working on a building so it wasn't secure and then it... So far great news I'm very happy with this... Hey just play the clip! ...collapsed but there was some good news and this is a remarkable bit of tape what a way to start a life a Thai woman

59:49 went into labor just as the earthquake hit and both she and the baby survived. She described what happened. Luckily I was on the fifth floor. The medical staff were holding both my arms as we made our way down the stairs. The doctor kept saying it's alright. The hospital staff did very well in evacuating us. They did their best. I was telling my baby, don't come yet. But the pain kept growing and growing. Then I was put on a hospital bed and was surrounded by a lot of medical staff where I just gave birth right there and then. It was all a shock to me too. Once my baby was born, the ground stopped shaking. I felt great. I saw my child and the earthquake stopped.

1:00:40 Wow, that is great. Thank you BBC World Service. That's phenomenal. That's what we call human interest. That was a good story. It was the baby that caused the earthquake. That's the way you have to conclude. I got it. Once the baby was there, the earthquake stopped. Boom, done. So here's part two of the interview. Lucky baby, happy mum. Well, the first emergency response teams have arrived in Myanmar now and the UN is trying to coordinate much of that effort. Tom Andrews, is the UN Special Rapporteur on the human rights situation in Myanmar. He's actually currently in Bangkok, having just got back from the Thai-Myanmar border. There he met people from the National Unity Government in Exile. That's the group that was set up after the coup in 2021, trying to replace the military regime. So on the basis of what he heard down on the border, he gave me the latest information on what's happening.

1:01:35 The UN has operations on the ground. Pledges are coming in. The United Nations has a relief fund operation right now that's in place. The ASEAN network of ASEAN countries are making an appeal and putting its emergency operations into play. There are various operations that are in place and that are trying to gear up as quickly as possible. The question is, will that aid be able to get where it needs to go? Will the military junta put up blockades of it going to areas that it just doesn't want it to go, those opposition areas, resistance areas? We know that every crisis that we've seen, every natural disaster that we've seen in recent years, they have blocked aid. They've created very significant problems in getting aid and assistance to where it needs to go.

1:02:24 I am hoping that that will not be the case, but my assumption is that it will be. France 24 clip which explains us a little bit more about the aid. This was the moment a skyscraper under construction came tumbling down in Bangkok. Dozens are thought to be trapped under the rubble. The 7.7 magnitude quake toppled a crane from the top of the building, which collapsed in seconds. In these pictures, water from a rooftop swimming pool can be seen cascading over the side of a high-rise. The tremor sent office workers pouring into the streets.

1:03:19 in search of safety. The earthquake's epicenter was near Myanmar's second city, Mandalay, not long after it was followed by a 6.4 magnitude aftershock. In Myanmar, where the extent of the damage is starting to emerge, a state of emergency has been declared, and the country's military rulers have made a rare appeal for aid. Lines of injured people were filmed awaiting for hospital. I think ABC had the aid clip on a day after that destructive 7.7 magnitude earthquake rock Southeast Asia Rescuers working around the clock to search for survivors still buried under the rubble

1:03:57 Bangkok, this 34 story building that was still under construction collapsing, sending people running for their lives. There was a lot of screaming and panicking, which obviously made it a lot worse. Jack Brown's dash cam video capturing the moment. And it was just horrifying to see that destruction. Drone footage shows the scope of the damage. Garrett Breer from Washington state was in a nearby mall with his wife when they witnessed the moment it crumbled. covered with dust and debris and we couldn't see and there were thousands of people just in panic running away from the building. The epicenter of the quake was in Mandalay, Myanmar, more than 600 miles from Bangkok.

1:04:37 Buildings collapsed, roads torn apart. A media host in the war-torn country describing it as one of the strongest earthquakes in his lifetime. It's getting stronger and intense. So I got to realize that, oh, the earthquake is really happening right now in Myanmar. Footage aired by Myanmar's state-run broadcaster shows the destruction of the historic Mandalay Palace in the country's second largest city. The situation in Mandalay is really bad right now. The clock tower near Mandalay Monastery collapsed and was damaged. Rescue teams from China arriving to assist with search and rescue operations. India and Russia have also sent resources. President Trump has vowed to send aid. There you go. So, what's the BBC guy talking about? There's aid. There's aid coming. It's not getting in. I think the BBC's got this correct. You know, the funny thing about that 600 miles... Yeah?

1:05:32 says there's only 450 miles to LA from here. Most of the quakes in California typically... You don't feel them though, do you? No, never. Never. That's what I was going to get to. But it wasn't a 7.4, whatever that is by the way. We've had big quakes, not necessarily that big recently, but there's been quakes, I think the big one when San Francisco was 8.6 or something along those lines. But of course, these numbers don't mean anything anymore as you know. No, no. We don't know if it's Richter scale to the momentum scale. Now it's bull crap. But the point is that generally speaking in California where there's a lot of quakes and most of the world, you have maybe a 90 mile distance where you can still feel the quake. It doesn't have the effect that it does at this where it took place, the epicenter as they like to call it.

1:06:25 But you can still feel it and sometimes it can cause damage. 90 to 100 miles away. 600 miles away is unfathomable. That's crazy. It doesn't make any... I mean, this like from... It means the entire state of California, if a LA quake took place in half of Mexico, would be affected. That's why I was asking if there's a known fault line there. I don't know of one. Well, that whole area looks like it's been affected by a lot of quakes. That's why it's all scattered. It's a mess if you look at it on the map. Somewhere there's a pot pong ping pong ball joke in there, but I can't quite come up with it. What? Well, you've been to pot pong. Pot pong? Pot pong. No, I've not been to pot pong. You've been to Bangkok. No, I've not been to Thailand. I've been to Vietnam. Oh.

1:07:21 Oh, Patpong. Patpong in Thailand is where there's a club and there's tricks that women do with ping pong balls and lit cigarettes. Target practice part of it smoke. Yeah target practice and smoke rings in smoke rings. Yes. Yes I did a documentary there weren't any more. This is like the donkey act in t01 We've actually talked about this on the show before many many. Yes. I remember you. Yeah, some you were a gassed. Yes I was that was a gas. Is it not pot pot pong pot pong thing was pop pong. Oh

1:08:00 It's a circus act. Go to Turkey. Pew pew. I'm gonna get my turkey updated. I'm gonna get back to BBC and do some international stuff. Okay. Because this is going on, this turkey thing is non-trivial. And here's what I want you to listen for. The people are, they threw this guy in jail. This is a political, this is what they try to do to Trump. And the people are protesting the end of democracy because they put the guy in jail. When Trump, when they tried to put Trump in jail, I didn't see anybody protesting the threat to democracy. They only They only call Trump the threat to democracy. It's like reverse. Well, it's because the people weren't pissed off enough here. We have it too good. Turkey, I mean, the lira is not worth the paper it's printed on almost. I mean, there's real economic repercussions. Yeah, that's actually Erdogan's big mistake was his

1:08:56 economic policies. Whoopsie! Hundreds of thousands of Turkish pro-democracy protesters gathered in Istanbul today in support of the city's jailed mayor Ekrem İmamoğlu. The rally was called by Turkey's main opposition party, the CHP, and that's the party that's nominated Mr. İmamoğlu as its presidential candidate. Well, the BBC's senior international correspondent, Paula Gerin, was at the protest today, so What was it like? It was quite a festive atmosphere. There were a lot of people of all different ages. We saw family groups, some people with young children, children still in prams. We saw some older people who were moving with some difficulty.

1:09:40 one or two people had even brought the family dog. There were lots of people who were carrying posters of the jailed mayor and this was a daylight rally in a bright sunny day so quite a different atmosphere to the rallies earlier this week, the night time rallies that we reported on on Monday and Tuesday but the demands were very much the same. People told us they were coming to demand the release of the mayor, they said they would keep protesting until that happens. Well that could be a very long time. In reality he could be in jail for several years. Many said that they had come to defend freedom of speech, human rights. One young man who was there with his brother told us that he had come to defend democracy before it was too late. He said if we stand by and don't act

1:10:30 then we will lose everything. And there was a consistent message again from the opposition leader saying that, accusing the government of trying to intimidate the young people. He spoke of the large numbers of young people who had been arrested at the demonstrations. He said this was an attempt to try and silence them, to create fear, but he said it wouldn't work. Now, two questions, maybe they're in your next two clips. One, Does the BBC pronounce Turkey as Turkey-ay? No, they don't. You've pointed this out before. And the other one, do we actually know if the accusations against this guy are true? Which they seem like... Nobody goes into it. Why not? They're just accusations and it's like, well, okay, what did he do? It seems unlikely to be true. Yeah, all right.

1:11:21 Well, protests have been going on for 10 days now, ever since Mr. Imamoglu's arrest, and they've been met with a repressive government response that's been sharply condemned by rights groups. Our senior international correspondent, Orla Geren, is in Istanbul for us. It was certainly a massive demonstration and you got that sense when you arrived because it took us a very long time to enter the plaza where the rally was being held because there were simply so many people trying to get through the entrances and worth pointing out I saw something today I have not seen before at a demonstration. There was a long line of what appeared to us to be closed circuit TV cameras

1:12:04 and these were trained on every entrance so it seemed to us as if the faces of all of those who were coming through to attend the protest were actually being recorded by the authorities presumably for use in the future to identify people who've been at the demonstrations. The demands were very consistent, the same kind of message we heard earlier during the week on Monday and Tuesday at the large night-time demonstrations. People were calling for the freeing of the mayor, saying they would keep protesting as long as it would take to get him out of jail. Now that could mean a very long fight, the reality is he could be in prison for several years.

1:12:42 People were demanding freedom of expression, people were demanding protection for human rights. One young man said to us, look I've come to try to defend democracy here before it's just too late. This is filler. So they have this, the idea of having all these cameras makes sense. You have to take the key to success here is you have to paste on a couple of fake eyeballs on your forehead. That's the key to success. Also for job interviews, I'm told. It's very easy. Key to success. There's some some fake you can do stuff to your face that would be.

1:13:23 that would confuse the AI system. But the BBC is giving us nothing. They're just doing colour commentary. There's no depth to this reporting. That's a good point. Here's the last of it. You mentioned there were CCTV cameras there and as we know the Turkish authority have already been cracking down on protesters and journalists in recent days. Can you give us an update on that? Oh, they're talking about themselves. Oh, okay. Yes, it's very dangerous for us. We can't go into Bangkok. It's very... Oh, into Myanmar. It's very dangerous. We can't do... It's dangerous. We're in Turkey. Turkeyye. We can't... It's so dangerous. They never say Turkeyye. Let's get this straight.

1:14:03 Well there's certainly a great deal of fear and we heard that from demonstrators today. Several people said they were afraid of being arrested. Some told us they had friends who had been picked up in these dawn raids that have been going on over the last 10 days. The official figure from the Interior Ministry now is that 1,900 people have been detained just in the past 10 days. We know that among those there are seven journalists and and we've had the first indictment handed down by public prosecutors here against some of those who were arrested and all of these people arrested at the protests.

1:14:39 and the prosecutor is asking for jail terms of between six months and three years. Now press freedom groups and media organizations here are pointing out that among the journalists arrested were people who are simply doing their job. There were photographers who were taking photographs that have been seen around the world and become famous around the world. And human rights organizations are saying that the legitimate right to freedom of expression, to gather peacefully to protest against the government's policies, there is a major attempt here now, they say, to stifle those rights and those freedoms. And it didn't begin 10 days ago with the arrest of Ekrem Emomoglu. It has certainly been a pattern that we've observed here over many years now. This is a regime change. I suspect that we were behind it.

1:15:28 Oh, okay, that would make sense because I've had my quad view on 24-7 and there's not even a story. We're not even running a story about this. They're still talking Signalgate. I know, they are. You're right. There has not been one single story on American media about this and this has been going on for 10 days and is major. Yeah, and it's a NATO member, I might point out. It's not just some fly-by-night operation. Right, he's a NATO member. Also responsible for the mess in Syria. Yeah, they're out to get this guy. And where's the Gulen movement? We know their leader died, but they didn't just dissolve. I mean, did anything happen with them? No reporting on that. No reporting. Well, meanwhile, that's the M5M. Now the T5M

1:16:23 Which is, so M5M is mainstream media, T5M is the truth stream media. Very annoyed. When did that come up? I just made it up. Very annoyed this weekend because at least 15 people are saying there's something here, this is going on, you gotta check this out. So... What? I'm gonna tell you. Even Tina's like, oh there's something going on here with House Inhabit. What? House Inhabit House, you don't know who House Inhabit is. House Inhabit, not in a inhabit, but inhabit, like inhabit a house. House Inhabit. House Inhabit, okay. House Inhabit. This was a mommy blogger who became very successful as a... So we have a, so this is about a mommy blogger. It gets worse. It gets much worse. How can it get worse? And Tina would often, she reads, you know, stuff like Conservative Treehouse and House Inhabit.

1:17:22 I don't know any of this. I never heard of conservative treehouse. That's why there's two of us. Oh, you don't know Sundance from conservative treehouse? No, I don't know Sundance either. Well, I do. I'm listening to the BBC World Service. And now we switch over to the mommy blogger, House Inhabit on the BBC World Service. But this is Tina's beat because I can't... By the way, I should compliment you. That does sound great. Thank you. Thank you. I don't know if you've heard it. Custom programmed. But it sounds just like an old shortwave radio announcer. Well, I used to, when I was growing up, my parents, they would have one of those alarm clock radios.

1:18:09 And so my dad would have this thing at volume 10, because my parents could never get up because I had to be at the bus stop at 10 past 7 to take the bus to then get on my hidden bike to go to school. Oh, yes, it was rough. And that thing would go on and at 7 o'clock. And it's just blasting the news. So it's a trauma for my youth. OK. Yeah. Anyway, so So now I have to go watch 20 minutes of Ian Carroll. Now you know who that is. No. Yeah, you do. He's the guy on X with the long hair with the hoodie and he's always talking like, I don't know. He's always got the green screen behind him. I like these guys. They all have style. Looks suspicious. And then so he goes on for 20 minutes talking about Candace Owens. Oh, Candace Owens. Candace Owens. Okay. So then I have to go watch Candace Owens for an hour.

1:19:07 And I'm like, what is going on here? Basically, they keep talking about a blackmail scandal, a blackmail scandal, and that House Inhabit, the mommy blogger has teamed up with that horrible woman from, was it New Yorker magazine, who supposedly had a sexting scandal with RFK. And now, well, the Maha movement is under threat and RFK can't do anything because he's being blackmailed, blackmailed, blackmailed. And who is he being blackmailed by? Come on, John, you know the answer. Answer the question, go! Soros. Israel, no of course it's Israel. Oh Israel, okay not Soros. Yes it's Israel. That makes nothing but sense on the surface. And you know he's always been a Zionist and he's always been... The Kennedys! Yeah, the Kennedys, big Zionists and he's always been in for Rabbi Shmuley and I'm just saying you know... And that's what people are concerned with here in America.

1:20:12 Rabbi Shmuley? Long story, brother. Long story. Yes, because you know that that's why they don't release the Epstein files is because then we find out that the entire US government is being blackmailed by the Mossad. Hello, where you been? That makes nothing but sense. You need to read the Mommy Blogger. You've got to understand these things. I'm listening to the BBC. But I think there has been a concerted effort And you know, to me it's all spiritual. There's dark forces, there's good and evil. Yeah, okay. Skip ahead. Huh? Look, skip ahead. We know there's dark forces. Don't do that to me. Well, you told me I could. What do you do now? You tell me I can't? No, but you skip ahead is just rude.

1:21:01 You told me I could. I didn't tell you could go yeah, yeah, yeah. Off camera you did. Off camera? Where's the camera? You said I could do that. Now you're calling me out. No. Scammer. You can call me out. You did that on purpose to give me grief. No, you can call me. Okay, Kara, but go ahead. You can call me out, but you can't just say skip ahead. That's not nice. I think skip ahead is pretty cool. And I think you'll agree with me on this. I believe there is a concerted effort to go after influencers, podcasters, mommy bloggers, etc. to make them very fearful to be called out as a Zionist, a

1:21:50 Jew lover, whatever, whatever you... They call you that all the time. I don't see you're not shaking in your boots. But that's because we don't, we don't rely on clicks. We don't rely on views. We rely on people who care about what we're talking about. This is a modern version of cancel culture. It's almost reverse. It's audience capture is what it is. And so they're definitely afraid to be running. See, no one cares about us. No one knows about us. It's true. Only the people who listen. No one else knows. Only the dedicated million plus audience, but nobody cares about them either, except that they're all big shots. Well, there you go. But so, but we'll never, we'll never matter in mainstream culture. We just don't matter. Joe Rogan doesn't have me on and say, man, that no agenda shows the best thing ever. No, he's like, I don't think he's listened to the show once. You invented podcasting. You used to have long hair.

1:22:47 But that's my point. These jamokes, they're all dependent, the T5M, they're all dependent upon clicks and views and algos and outrage. They are literally talking about each other. And that rises up. I know, we both noticed this. Yes. Oh, someone's always going to, Tim Pool's going to talk to Candace Owens, who's going to talk to Steve Bannon, and she's going to be on the Bannon Show, and then Bannon's going to be on, and he's going to talk to, it's always, and then there's the value attainment guys, you got to get on there. Yes, yes, the value, and it's the same little group. Yes, and throw in a little bit of Tucker Carlson, and then, you know, and Ian, he was even on Rogan, you know, so Rogan's getting sucked into this.

1:23:32 And I think Rogan's gotten a lot of pushback on, because you know, if you don't call out the genocide of Israel on Palestine, then you are clearly a Zionist. It doesn't matter what war or what death you call out. If it's not that one, then you're no good. So all this to say, you should be happy with the best podcasting universe and enjoy it for the last three years and nine months. Because what are you gonna do after that? Candace Owen, what happened to her? She's bigger than ever I think. Yeah because she's only talking about gossip and show business. She's Blake Lively. It all deteriorated. Blake Lively. That's all she talks about. She's a psycho. Well yeah, that would be our analysis. Hey let's talk about Blake Lively. She's a psycho. Alright we're done.

1:24:29 That's so it's like it's like it's like everything deteriorates to celebrity chit-chat always Even Alex Jones is tired of it Like if you can make Alex Jones tired of something like this, then you've gone very far So it's just like oh man stop already stop so I have some thoughts on Canada and Carney Oh yes, okay good. I'm interested in Canada and Carney. The appointed Prime Minister.

1:25:07 And now I feel bad about not getting a clip when I heard it the first time because I didn't think much of it. I said, I don't know what is he talking about? It's one of Trump sitting behind his desk is yakking away about turning Canada the 51st state. And somebody calls him and says, well, you know, there'll just be a bunch of Democrats that are going to all vote red. I don't know why you want that. He says, well, I don't know. I think that both parties up there are good and sometimes he makes a comment. He literally says, I think the Liberal Party might be the better of the two parties. Oh, okay. Trump says the Liberal Party might be better of the two. Meanwhile, he keeps goading Canada and he

1:25:52 you know, threatening them with this and that and the other, and it's turned a liberal party into a popular party all of a sudden. It did. I mean, yes, it did. It did. And now I'm beginning to think this was intentional. And let's listen to these. I got three clips. This is the... start with this one. This is Trump-Carney tariffs, NHK. US President Donald Trump says he'll slap additional tariffs of 25% on imported cars from April 3rd. One country significantly affected is Canada. Its new Prime Minister Mark Carney stressed at a news conference Thursday he will hit back. We will fight the US tariffs with retaliatory trade actions of our own that will have maximum impact in the United States.

1:26:42 and minimum impacts here in Canada. Carney said Trump's team requested a phone call and he plans to pick up soon. Meanwhile, Trump took to social media in the middle of the night to lay down a warning to Canada and the EU. He told them not to work together against the US or even heftier duties are on the way. Trump hopes to boost car production in America through import taxes. But if the US and other countries start a tit-for-tat tariff war, the global economy looks bound to suffer. Interesting that it's April 3rd. I mean, April 2nd is Liberation Day. What are we doing on April 3rd? Yeah, I know, this is interesting. I don't know why this is either. I don't get that. But this whole idea that this might be a setup, a plan, a scheme. And the reason I'm starting to think this way is because, first of all, we're not moaning and groaning about Carney never getting one single vote for anything. You're talking about, oh, Mush, non-elected, he's never done anything.

1:27:46 Carney was brought in from the bank. Yes, he is a literal banker. He's a literal bankers the head of the Bank of England. Yeah, and then he was the head of the Bank of Canada and the in the Liberal Party put just Trudeau out who quit kind of quit but he was he knew what was the writing on the wall. We knew there was a blackmail scandal going on. Well, there's something going on and so they bring Carney in and And so Carney's now running the whole place and nobody's making mention of the fact that this guy... Why? Why did they put this banker in charge and why all of a sudden is the Liberal Party becoming popular again? Because Paul is there, but however you want to pronounce his name. He's off the radar. You don't even hear from him anymore. He's off the radar. Now there's a bunch of studies, oh no, the Liberals are going to win because they're going to have a snap election now at the end of April, April 28th I believe.

1:28:43 And so the snap election, you do these things, you can do this in a parliamentary system when you think that you can kick ass. Right, that's sometimes it doesn't work out, but most of the time it does. You do a snap, snapper. Snap election. And then you can take over the place. And so they, so Trump is promoting this 51st state thing and destroying... he's getting Canadians pissed off. And Carney is like, we're gonna fight for our country, we're not gonna take it, he's Mr. Strongman, it's like Strongman against Strongman. I believe, because... and I believe this, and I only get this from memes, you know, you have to get the information where you get it. And you don't know House Inhabit? I can't believe it. You know Pepe.

1:29:30 Pepe the frog? Yeah, you know Pepe the frog. Yeah, of course I do. There are memes after memes after memes saying don't pass this around but Carney spent a lot of time on Epstein Island. Oh yeah, yeah there it is. We're back. We have our own little version of it. Nice. So I think Carney's got they got the goods on him. Oh Epstein files gonna drop after he after the snap election Well, not necessarily or before I or never or never because you want to hold him. Yeah It's the Bunsen burner. So this is this is the

1:30:10 the leverage we have over Carney. This is why Trump was going on about how the liberal, all the liberals are okay up there. This is a great gambit. Hey Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark Carney, what's that in your mouth? What's that in your mouth? It's total. And then you start, so you get these next two clips and it kind of like, is this all part of some grand scheme? Let's play, this will be set up. Adam Chapnick, a professor of defense studies at Canadian Forces College, says Connie is taking a hard line against Trump on the back of rising patriotism among his compatriots. President Trump's threats to make Canada the 51st state have unleashed a wave of nationalism and patriotism in Canada that we haven't seen in years, if not decades in Canada. We're normally polite and relatively quiet,

1:31:02 In this case, however, it is a threat to our very being and it's brought out a pride that I think has always been there but we aren't inclined to show it in the same way as some other countries do. And in this case, whether you lean politically to the right or to the left, everyone seems to agree that we are proud to be Canadian. We don't want to be citizens of any other country. As a result of Connie's continued harsh comments about Trump, the ruling party's support rate has recovered rapidly. In a poll of polls by CBC News this week, the Liberals were more popular than the opposition Conservatives led by Pierre Polièvre.

1:31:41 Chapnick suggests the election offers a chance for whoever is Canada's next leader to turn the page with the Trump administration. I am liking this theory of yours, John. I'm liking it too. Here we go with this last clip. This is the kind of, there's some other kicker information in here which may or may not have something to do with the scheme. Canada spends less than one and a half of its GDP on defense, something Trump has strongly criticized. It seems highly likely Canada will sharply hike its military budget. I think Canadians are united in understanding that we have to go

1:32:20 commit more to defence and we have to spend more on national defence. Both political parties are promising increases to the defence budget. Whether they are big enough to satisfy the United States is not yet clear, but I can virtually promise you that Canada will be spending significantly more on defence over the next 5, 10, and 15 years. Even so, if relations with the U.S. remain poor, Canada will seek to strengthen relations with European allies and other countries. From a Canadian point of view, Canada's national interests are best served when we work with allies. So in some ways, the challenges with the United States might actually bring us closer to our European and Asian allies because we will need more friends, more than we ever had in the past. I think that much of Europe is responding the same way, that Europe has to get more serious about its security because it might not be able to rely on the United States.

1:33:20 in the near future. So this isn't ideal, not the ideal situation, but if something good can come out of it by closer cooperation amongst like-minded allies in the West, that would be a great thing. So if I understand what you're saying, the real win here is our manufacturing base in the United States is going to grow significantly because Europe has nowhere to buy all this war stuff for at least the next couple of years. Canada has nowhere to buy it. Meanwhile, everybody's ramping up their money and we're going to take it. Yeah, exactly. We should... We're like North Korea, South Korea here. We should drop American flags and Kid Rock CDs over Ottawa.

1:34:09 We need to help him out. Well, there was another little extra bit on Truth Social. The president posted, I just played a round of golf with Alexander Stubb, president of Finland. And it turns out he's a very good player. We won the men's member guest golf tournament at the Trump International Golf Club in Palm Beach County. And I look forward to strengthening the partnership between the United States and Finland, and that includes the purchase and development of a large number of badly needed icebreakers. They're beautiful ships, I hear. Now that, of course, is on Russia's border. Maybe this whole, I'm pissed off at Putin, maybe that whole thing is to prolong things a little bit. Let's keep the money train going here. That pissed off at Putin thing could be a scheme. Could be. Between him and Putin. And Putin, yes.

1:35:04 Well, the whole thing that Putin is saying is... This whole thing... We're watching theater. Yes. Everything. Canada, 51st State, letting this Carney guy, who's not even, you know, this crazy guy who's never gotten a vote in his life, run Canada, and then we're all kind of like pushing Canada to get pissed off. They get so damn mad that they buy stuff from us. The whole thing is ridiculous. Well, let me bring in Putin and Russia and Ukraine into this. This is from...

1:35:40 Where is this? This is, I think, First Post. And moving to the war in Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin... I like that. The war in Europe. Now it's just, it's not Ukraine. It's the war in Europe, people. It's just the war in Europe. And moving to the war in Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed placing Ukraine under temporary UN control to pave the way for new elections and key peace agreements. Claiming that President Volodymyr Zelensky's leadership lacks legitimacy, Putin insisted bringing in a third party to be a viable government that quote-unquote enjoys the people's trust. In principle, of course, it would be possible under the auspices of the UN, with the United States, even with European countries, and of course with our partners and friends, to discuss the possibility of introducing temporary administration in Ukraine. For what?

1:35:04 Well, the whole thing that Putin is saying is... This whole thing... We're watching theater. Yes. Everything. Canada, 51st State, letting this Carney guy, who's not even, you know, this crazy guy who's never gotten a vote in his life, run Canada, and then we're all kind of like pushing Canada to get pissed off. They get so damn mad that they buy stuff from us. The whole thing is ridiculous. Well, let me bring in Putin and Russia and Ukraine into this. This is from...

1:35:40 Where is this? This is, I think, First Post. And moving to the war in Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin... I like that. The war in Europe. Now it's just, it's not Ukraine. It's the war in Europe, people. It's just the war in Europe. And moving to the war in Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed placing Ukraine under temporary UN control to pave the way for new elections and key peace agreements. Claiming that President Volodymyr Zelensky's leadership lacks legitimacy, Putin insisted bringing in a third party to be a viable government that quote-unquote enjoys the people's trust. In principle, of course, it would be possible under the auspices of the UN, with the United States, even with European countries, and of course with our partners and friends, to discuss the possibility of introducing temporary administration in Ukraine. For what?

1:36:30 in order to hold democratic elections, in order to bring to power a viable government that enjoys the people's trust and then begin negotiations with it on a peace treaty. However, the Russian leader's proposal has been met with skepticism. The White House National Security Council emphasized that Ukraine's governance is determined by its constitution and its people. There has been no immediate comment from Ukraine, however, President Zelensky has repeatedly rejected any notion questioning his legitimacy. And he insists that elections are impossible under martial law, which he imposed in response to Russia's invasion back in 2022.

1:37:08 You know, the idea that this is we're watching all theater is highly possible and probably very likely. If you add one more bit in, remember, we have to flood the world with American stablecoin, with dollars, dollar dominance through stablecoin. You can't get around it. That is now being said by the president, by the As Secretary of the Treasury, flood the world with stablecoin. This is from the Defense and Aerospace podcast. All the European Union members were just advised to stock 72 hours worth of food and shortwave radio and all this type of thing because of potential catastrophic events to come, including war. They're getting quite serious here. I think they are beyond now the insults that's coming their way left and right.

1:37:56 They are absolutely moving ahead in terms of trying to figure out the European defense without the United States, helping Ukraine without the United States. And so they are putting some meat to those bones with the idea that not only is it important for European security that Ukraine is protected, but that this is something that they hope will buy themselves a seat at the table. I think what will buy them a seat at the table is the fact that there are not going to be sanctions lifted on Russia like SWIFT, which is one of the demands that Russia has levied on everyone if they're going to agree to this Black Sea and energy infrastructure ceasefire. But to do that, to lift SWIFT and to assist in terms of the agricultural trade and banking resources that the Russians are asking for, the Europeans have got to be part of that.

1:38:47 New Swift is done out of Brussels. It's not done out of Washington. There is a lot happening here and there isn't this, is the US with us or not anymore? If the assumption is that the US has walked away, every day something happens to make them feel that and to know that. And so they're beginning to act along those lines. There is an energy here and a direction here and a drive here and an anger here that I haven't seen ever. And so it's moving. I don't see it turning around anytime soon. So you freak the people out like you better get your shortwave radios and your tuna fish can and a flashlight because, you know, Putin can strike at any minute.

1:39:27 And so you've got to give us your money. We need to take your money because it is in effect taking the people's money in advance by borrowing and carving out 150 billion right off the spot and giving that to the contractors, the military contractors, which for the foreseeable future is us, and then You want to... they control Swift. I didn't realize that Brussels controls Swift. Well, that's great. Meet the new Swift. It's called Stablecoin. It's a beautiful stablecoin. And you can trade that. It's its own networks. It can trade on any network, on any blockchain, any layer 2, level 2 system. This could be a very big game.

1:40:16 Big theater. Well, something's up. Yeah, well, yeah. I think we're a little deeper than something's up. These pieces are coming together. I'm not sure how, now I'm not sure how Finland fits in. But then, out of the blue, out of the blue, Afghanistan pops up. Yes, it does. Did you catch this? Yeah. This is the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Abdul Kahar Balki. Abdul Kahar Balki, thank you so much. This is on CBS. This is a legitimate CIA broadcast systems. Abdul Kahar Balki, thank you so much for speaking to us. The Taliban has been clear that it wants a new chapter with the US. What is a new chapter? It's a new chapter means that we end the, close the old chapter.

1:41:08 of 20 years of warfare, of being adversaries and looking forward to the future. The common goal of a stable and prosperous Afghanistan for the benefit of the people of Afghanistan and we believe that having an Afghanistan that is integrated, that is prosperous, that is stable is also in the interest of the United States of America. So now the Taliban pops up and says, hey baby, Want to talk? Deal, no deal? You got an idea? I got an idea. What do you got on your side of the table? What do I got on my side of the table? But as you know, President Trump is unlike other presidents and wants to make a deal. The one he's outlined is pretty clear. Give us back our military hardware worth billions of dollars and we will unfreeze these assets which rightfully belong to Afghanistan. Will the Taliban take that deal? With regards to the assets of the Central Bank of Afghanistan, just

1:41:57 as the title says, they're the assets of the Central Bank of Afghanistan. They're not the assets of my government or any other administrations that have governed Afghanistan previously. These are the assets of the people of Afghanistan and the state of Afghanistan. They have been withheld wrongfully, illegitimately and unlawfully, and they need to be released without any conditions. Okay, so this doesn't sound like it's about the money at all. I mean first of all what do we really there's nothing? They've already gotten rid. They sold everything they crashed all the helicopters the planes are no good all that they give away the pickup trucks are scattered all over the country all over the world and Probably then the asset the frozen assets. It's a whopping get ready for it seventeen and a half billion dollars That's an Elon Musk couch

1:42:48 Now that's not a problem. So there's something going on here. And again, is Afghanistan what country do they border on? Pakistan. Nice India, I think. Maybe China. Yeah, I'm thinking one of those. It's clear the Taliban wants a reset with the US despite this 20 year history of pretty brutal warfare. President Trump made a deal with the Taliban which ultimately saw the end of America's longest war and indeed the withdrawal of US forces. The Taliban has been in power ever since. And now Mr. Trump is back in office. Now he said that what he wants to see... Whoa, that was kind of... that was interesting.

1:43:28 I missed it. Well, they made it sound like Trump did the withdrawal. Thank you. Oh really? Yeah, listen again. Obama has been in power ever since and now Mr. Trump is back in office. Wait, let me play the, you gotta hear the full bit from here. President Trump made a deal with the Taliban, which ultimately saw the end of America's longest war and indeed the withdrawal of US forces. The Taliban has been in power ever since. And now Mr. Trump is back in office. Now he said that what he wants to see, at least initially, is the return of billions of dollars worth of US military equipment and hardware back to the US in exchange

1:44:06 he will consider unfreezing foreign currency reserves that President Biden froze after the withdrawal. Is that a deal the Taliban is willing to take? Currently, the best way to engage is through normal diplomatic means. Engage, talk, find common spaces that secures the interests of Of both countries and that addresses the common concerns now, so I've got a sound borders on all the stands Turkmenistan Uzbekistan Tajikistan Pakistan China most importantly Iran Yes, that would be that would be the most important one. And so this is this is a part of the show I think we need to have an is just called the show. This is a show and

1:44:54 This is not all of a sudden the Taliban goes, hey Trump, you know, you kill our guys, but let's do a deal. Deal no deal. There's a lot going on here that your M5M is not exploring. Signal Gate! Homie bloggers! Hexeth. Hexeth. Oh, actually, what did I have? I had a Signal Gate clip here. Yes. Brennan. Brennan lets it slip who he's really after. Brennan's back with Katie Turr.

1:45:31 Who has two moms? One mom is a dude in a dress. If you were the CIA director and you were included on a signal message chain, I know it didn't exist when you were CIA director, but something of that like... Message chain? Did she say chain? Let me see, chain I think. A signal message chain. I know it didn't exist when you were CIA director but something of that like. Would you have spoken up and said hey listen we shouldn't be having this conversation here? I know John Ratcliffe has said that he didn't release any classified information on that chain. He's trying to absolve himself from any wrongdoing. But did he have a duty to speak up? Well I think it's certainly there would have been should have been questions raised when Mike Walsh

1:46:15 informed the group that there was going to be this signal discussion at the principals level. He was the one who put together this communication chat forum. He was one who set the agenda. So it's the national security advisor who chairs the principals committee meeting, which this was a virtual committee meeting. And so there should have been questions raised from the very beginning. Well, wait a minute. is a pending military operation, why are we going to be doing this on signal? So it should have been redirected early on into classified systems and networks. So yeah, this is something that in my experience we never would have done. Again, sometimes someone will pick up a phone because you have to convey some type of message to somebody and the only way you have to do it is with some type of unclassified system, but you do it cryptically.

1:47:02 You do it in a manner that's not going to reveal the operational details. And despite what Secretary Hexen says, there were operational details included in that chat. So it sounds like Brennan's going after Waltz. They're all going after Walser. Now the latest is this guy Wong. Oh, the Wong guy? Yeah. Burl Lafong, capital L small a. That's all Laura Loomer posts about all day long. I've already solved it! Yeah, Laura Loomer. Breaking news, big news coming! Yeah, but she digs up some pretty funny stuff. She's got this... and the connection of course is Guilt by Association, which is this Wong character who is Walser's undersecretary, I guess.

1:47:40 It was married to a woman another Chinese Chinese American who went after the jay-sixers thus There you go, there's a jay-sixer. Oh man, that's what a quagmire. Oh boy Well, then allow me to bring in Jesse waters. That's right. I'm doing it. I can't oh, you're oh, okay Hold on a second. Let me make a note. Yes, make a note make a note I figure this is the three for one. It means I could do three for the one What in what universe you get three for one of anything you promise me? off camera Off camera we should stream cameras. Yeah, man. We should YouTube live when we do this show. Oh

1:48:28 We should stream it on X. So this is the latest in the JFK files, which went away... By the way, I'm not going to interrupt. Now that you mentioned streaming live video on X, you mentioned earlier in the show how we're like not in this group of people that are changing, you know, the value-tainment guy interviewing Tucker, who's interviewing, you know, the band who's interviewing. Megan, Megan, Megan, Megan. Don't forget Megan. They're a big circle jerk. They're all video. That's why. Well, praise God. Can you imagine? I'll give you that one. We have to do video.

1:49:11 Hey, what was it? Someone had a good nickname for us. It was Tick and Twitch or something. Gone is Buzz, Crackpot and Buzzkill. No people, we're not going to do that. All right, so this is the latest twist in the JFK files which just went away within days. Within days I tell you. All this big talk, the Epstein files, the JFK files, And now we learn this. I'm

1:50:11 an inclination as to what we are saying, but we never had the hard evidence until now. And so it's important to note that in a free and fair society, how could you operate or have an agency operating in the shadows? And so kudos to President Trump, also Director Radcliffe and Tulsi Gabbard for pushing for this transparency. It is going to be generational changing that they've done this. And we hope to bring forward legislation to ensure that this never happens again for future generations to come. This is very unclear to me. Did this information come out of the JFK files drop. This whole thing is a confused mess. That's bull... whatever she said, oh it's gonna be generational, it will never happen again. How do you prevent something from ever happening again when it's just illegal to begin with? I mean, what are they talking about? Well, apparently all of a sudden there's a picture of

1:51:00 Oswald, coincidentally, next to the car. Hey, how you doing? I'm Oswald. It's film! And Oliver Stone had it too! You're saying NBC has been keeping this tape of Oswald under wraps? Correct. In fact, Director Stone actually told us that he was showed this tape, that it was a secondary copy and that he said that this could blow open the entire JFK investigation. What I will also tell you, though, Jesse, is he said the NBC has been very, very much so guarding this tape. And so I believe that that tape belongs to the American people.

1:51:35 We are going to be sending a letter asking for that tape and I would encourage everyone to ask and she's a Florida representative Luna. Oh, this Luna is the lunar bathing suit model. Oh, hold on a second. I mean, I didn't issue a bathing suit model. She's the one that looks good in the bikini and they made a big fuss about it. Luna. She's kind of a Luna tick. Anna Paulina Luna. Yeah. She's the bathing suit girl. Is there, let's see. I don't see any bathing suit pictures. Well just type in a Bannapolino Luna bathing suit. How about bikini? Bikini. Bikini. Yeah, same thing. Alright, alright, alright, alright. Oh, oh. Back to the video tape. We are going to be sending a letter asking for that tape and I would encourage everyone to ask NBC to release that tape to the public. It's important not just for our investigations but so the American people know the truth as to what happened with John F. Kennedy.

1:52:35 Newsflash. We're never gonna know the truth. Newsflash, people. Newsflash. with Johnson, the House Speaker. She's trying to do something and I can't remember exactly what it is. Somebody in the control room might know this. But she's making a big fuss about something. She wants it brought to the House floor or something and she can't do it without Johnson. But there's some bypass mechanism she's working on causing a stir. This is... Everything is a show. Everything is a show right now.

1:53:13 But my favorite was the Save the Spook operation over there at Columbia University. So SIPA, what's the, what does that school stand for? School for International Political… Public… School of International Spies Public Kids a spy administration like that spy school spy spy school Diversity graduates today tore up their diplomas to protest the school's cooperation with the Trump administration Graduates of the School of International and Public Affairs Chanted free Palestine as they destroyed their sheepskins. It was alumni

1:53:52 day on campus. The protests are in support of Mahmood Khalil, the Columbia grad student and protester now held by ICE agents. And they also object to the concessions made to curb protests on campus. Some protesters also calling for the dismissal of several Columbia University teachers and administrators. So these are alums who came by, tore up their sheepskins, which just looked like cardboard to me. It looked like cardboard, just paper. But they're all former spook school students. They didn't get a job in an agency, so now they're pissed off. I don't know, the whole thing could be a scam. The world has gone crazy, man. The world has gone crazy. That's a good one, I didn't know that story. Well, with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Saying good morning to you, the man who put the C in his chimes. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. DeVore!

1:54:50 89, 90, 2,291. Okay, now you're low. Yeah, we're a little low. The last 10- Little? The last 10 show averages- We're 10% low. The last, uh, yeah, the last 10 show average was $25.69. That's so yum. But why is that? Is there something going on? Because donations were short. Yeah, donations are lousy. We're losing support. I don't think people are inter- We're not talking enough- We're doing the same thing we always do. It's a big mistake we make. Yeah. Yeah. Which is we don't talk about

1:55:45 what everyone else is talking about as if it was something important. Yeah. In this case, this spiral gate or whatever it's called. Yes, and we also don't have video. This is a... And we don't have... Well, the video I don't think is crucial. I did have a... It is to get us on Valuetainment. They keep trying to get us on value tainment. Well, they're trying to get you on. No one's ever contacted me. Well, I did have a thought about this as we're, you know, we have said four more years and we're in that right now. The final days, the final days, the final days. I did have an exit strategy, which you're going to roll your eyes when I tell you this. Okay, let me pre-roll. Do a pre-roll because I finally like, oh,

1:56:29 And it was there was some other bullcrap award show the 50 over 50 or something for podcast blah blah whatever it was and then I'm like there is here is an award show an award that only we can give this show And it's completely valid and will be revalidated every year because I'm on the Rogan show with, you know, with Grace. I'm on once a year. Yeah, I've been on that show six times. I thought it was five, but it's six. Yeah. Diminishing returns. Are you ready? Are you ready? Yeah. The Podfather Awards.

1:57:06 Oh, I like it. I knew you would. No, you said I'd roll my eyes. You didn't say... What do you mean? What do you... change your mind out of it? Oh, I knew you would. No, the fact that I... You prefaced it, oh, you're gonna roll your eyes. No, no, I knew you'd like it. No, the fact that I'm in on an award show. That part I've always been against, but then I thought, why don't I exploit this? And there's people always on X yelling, you idiot, you nerd. He's not the Padfather. Adam Curry's the Padfather. And I have proof! And I think it's possible. I want to stop you right now. I have been saying that we should be doing awards for a decade. Yes, there's the eye roll. But I never considered the podcast awards. You never considered it since it was... Once it's named after you, you're in. Yes, I'm in now. This is... I'm in. This is it. No, you can't... Look, this is no time for ego, John. There's no time for ego.

1:58:06 It can be no, you know, it's not makes sense. Ted Grouch awards just doesn't cut it. All right, then we can do those later It does not the same thing Ted Grouch awards will be great not to mention it But here's the trick it has to be a gala. It has to be a gala or as I like as I like to say a gala Yeah, America, they always say gala. It has to be a gala I think the Brits say gala too for some reason somebody says gala somebody says gala, but we're gonna say gala. I And I think, because he never shows up, he never accepts an award, I think if we have the right award, I can get Joe Rogan to come. And, and we can do it in his club. How about that? You're liking it, right? Well, I like it except for the fact that I may have to travel. You don't. You just have to write stuff and just post memes. You don't have to come.

1:59:01 If you don't want to, if it's too much trouble for you to come to the gala, if it's too much trouble to come to our Podfather Awards, and we need to come up with categories, but they have to be funny, fantastic categories. They have to be good categories. Yeah, well yeah, like best value tainment. Not joke categories. How about best value tainment? See? Okay, well you give me some ideas. How about longest podcast with no information? Candace Owens ladies and gentlemen, the Podfather Award. And what do we call them? Do we call them the Poddies?

1:59:42 No. The Potties. That would be the nickname that we would rail against. People keep calling these the Potties, but it sounds like potty training. Yeah. So it would be, you can get an Oscar. Actually, the Potties is not a bad name. You can get an Oscar. It's part of the, now it used to be a trifecta, but it's the Oscar. You get the Grammy award. The Pergot. Oh, so the Pergot. So now you need to add the Podfather Award. You are not complete unless you all... and everyone has a podcast!

2:00:18 Yeah, they can all win. All those actors have podcasts. Best comedy podcast, that's one category for sure. Then you get some hot, you get Dana Carvey or somebody to come out and fix up New York. And we get those Libtards from the, what is it, Jason, what's his face? What's the Libtard show? The one that held all the presidencies? J. Cal? J. Cal? Oh, J. Cal, he gets an award for sure. Oh yeah, absolutely. Best all-in podcast. Yeah, we can have best female podcaster. Think about that. No, we don't want to do a sexist stuff. Yes, we do. What are you talking about? Then best trans podcast. Nah, nah. Best gay podcast. There's a hit. There's a hit. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Well.

2:01:06 It's... I just want you to think about it, you know, since I've... No, I got... I'm in, but... I'm triding you. Well, the categorization, I think you're already taking it too lightly. All right, well, then where's your ideas, Brainstorm? I... What? Yeah, where's... I've had nothing but ideas about this for a decade. Well, then spout them off. What are we doing? First of all, you have to pay to enter. No. Well, then that's what all the podcast awards you have to pay to enter. No. Okay. These are real awards. You don't pay to enter the Academy Awards. You don't pay. You have to be a member of the Academy, but you don't pay to enter. We have an Academy you have to be a member of. Well, maybe that's not a bad idea, the Academy of Podcasting. That actually exists and it's a horrible leftist organization. We want no part of it. Really? Yeah, the Podcast Academy. Oh, okay. Well, forget that. But how do we make money?

2:02:08 Oh, you want to make me that dude? I thought it was a promotional idea. The money making is part of is a promotion for the show. Oh, okay. Well, value for value. Oh, boy. Okay. Oh man, you just wanted to cash in on some fees? Yes, exit strategy. All of a sudden, fees? Exit strategy. Can we get a sponsor? Strategy? Collecting fees? Can we get this thing sponsored by SquareSpace? Now you're talking. We could do that. Can we get it sponsored by SquareSpace and Roe? We could do that. Underwriting, sponsorships, advertising, whatever you want to call it.

2:02:48 Yes, boner pills we can do something. There's something in there for us. Yeah, that would be fine with me Okay, in fact, that's what I think is necessary to make the event work at all. Yeah, because we have to have a budget Yeah, so you get a budget from the from the underwriter. We give it away for free. I mean people get it for free They're just gonna have to you know, yeah, no, I can I can I can see that's not a problem fastest talker. Oh Boom there's Ben Shapiro. He's oh yeah, but then that's yeah Ben Shapiro, there's maybe one or that that girl that used to work for Ben Shapiro's operations She's who sounds and looks like Ben Shapiro that girl. Yeah. Yeah, she she could win that What's saying I'm selling out? shoe on head needs an award shoe on head

2:03:37 Well, I have come up with the concept. It's up to you to take it over the finish line. Yeah, we'll make it happen. Oh yeah, sure. Jay's working on the website as we speak. Well, she could be. She's getting pretty good at that. Thank you to these trolls who are with us and contributing nicely. By the way, every troll gets free entry on the website. We should have the troll room just scrolling by during the Podfather Awards. Huh? They could do that. Yeah, just big screens where they're just saying horrible things. Yeah, cussing. Ben Shapiro comes up, Zionist! Pig. Zionist chill. We could get them all. I think it would be a hootenanny. You do it in Austin. Everyone wants to come to Austin. There's always a flight to Austin. You do it in Joe's Club.

2:04:29 I think I could get Joe to do it. I think he would be okay with it. Well, if Joe would let the club do it, then he wouldn't be a problem for him to accept an award. No, of course not. Because he's there anyway. Yes. Best comedy podcast. Boom. There he is. He's done. Well, it's not a comedy podcast. Best interview show. It's listed under comedy. But you know, he can be listening to anything he wants. I'm not categorizing him. Anyway, so I don't watch that show and crack up. I'll expect a business plan by 3 p.m. You're not getting anything by 3 p.m. Thank you very much, Trolls, for being with us there at trollroom.io, noagenda.stream, and of course, in the modern podcast apps. These are the ones you want to get.

2:05:13 The Podfather Awards will only be streamed live on the modern podcast apps, of course, and NBC this fall. You can get one of those at podcastapps.com. And as you just heard, we're about to sell out from our extremely successful model that we've been running for over 17 years, Value for Value. Although I do like the idea of just using the whole show as promotion, the whole Podfather Awards as promotion for no agenda. I think that's pretty good. But then we would have to kind of switch the video. What? Yeah, we'd do video. The awards could be videoed. Yes, yes. Yeah, well, they have to. Yeah, but not doing the podcast video. No way. No way. It's not going to happen. Can you imagine? Then we'd be in that same circle jerk. Although, well, let's think of all the podcasts we could be invited on. We finally get on Valuetainment. You can get on any time. They'd love to have you. No, that's not true. No, they don't want me. They don't like me. I can tell.

2:06:13 Why don't they like you, you think? I don't know, but everyone's always saying, get Curry on, get Curry on. And they'll post on X, who should we get on the podcast? Who do you want to see? Curry, Curry, Curry, Curry, Curry Dvorak, Dvorak, Curry, Curry, Curry, Curry. Never. Never. It's totally valid. I'm also baffled that Tucker Carlson hasn't invited me. Let's see you on Tucker. Yes, I do. I'm an interesting guy. I think Beck, go back to Beck. Beck has got a better audience. Yeah, but Beck wanted me to work for him and I kind of turned him down. Yes, you keep saying that, but so what? He still thinks you're his brother. He'll be glad to put you on the show. He can't pitch you again. I gotta have an angle, man. He's all in. He just did this whole thing on AI and Beck's like, you know, this is happening. This is the new God. Oh, he's all in on AI? Oh, he talks to AI.

2:07:11 He talks to AI. Yes, he talks to AI. He really believes that it's the new Gollum, if you know the story of Gollum. Yeah, Gollum mud. Yeah, okay. The Gollum character. Anyway, value for value, that's how we continue to roll for as long as we can. It was definitely shorter today than expected, but you're right. It's probably because there's no video and we're not talking about all the important stuff. We're not harping on that one thing. Like RFK Jr.'s blackmail scandal.

2:07:53 Yeah, because it's all bullcrap. We don't talk bullcrap. That's the thing. It's a problem. They're not used to getting good material from us because we don't talk about nonsense. I met a cool guy yesterday in Fredericksburg. No, yeah, Saturday. Yeah. He's gonna do some work with me. some development work and I said, well, how long, he's 47, how long you been listening? He says, oh, I've been listening almost from the beginning. But then I fell overboard for a long, long time. I didn't come back until 2018. Why'd you fall overboard? He says, well, you know, I worked in aerospace at Space Force for 20 years. And when you started talking crap about the moon landing, I got upset and I stopped listening. Like, wow, I had no idea.

2:08:39 The people got mad about that and would rage quit. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Leo Laporte felt the same way. Yeah, he still does. Time, talent, or treasure, that's all we ask in return. Whatever value you receive from this program. And I think we do deliver the goods. We do give you value. It's definitely not what you're getting anywhere else. And maybe you look smart at a cocktail party around the water cooler or on the company, you know, the Monday morning Zoom meeting. There's things, there's intellectual, smart things you can say and people will go, wow, I guess you don't read Home and Habit, do you?

2:09:18 And one of the ways that we always enjoy is our artwork from our artists. And these artists, you know, I've noticed the artists are actually tricking us into believing that they're doing AI, but they're not. Just before we thank our artists for episode 1750, Sir Shug, who did Flexible Eyes on 1749, He said, thanks for the props and choosing one of my art pieces. Again, just to confirm, old school jazzercise artwork was indeed my inspiration. The listener involved in that original art was correct in her assessment. I hope it gave her a smile. But just so you know, no AI at all in that one. If I thought anything was AI, it was going to be that one.

2:10:06 So now I'm questioning Nico Seim because he did a dynamite piece which may and it may not be AI this this could just be a well-done piece with the Liberty juice I think that's the idea so we had a dinner table conversation because JC is an AI and Talking about your complaint from the last show. Mm-hmm, which was he could have Sorry, which which complaint there's a lot of complaints. I have well the main complaint that you tried to get a I do some coding for you Oh, yes, big coding. Oh coding. Mm-hmm, and he said that this is a known problem with AI Oh that unless you know what you're doing to begin with in other words You can code in the language and you're adept at it. Hey, I can't do Jack. I

2:10:55 All it can do is help you a little bit. And I think it's the same thing with these artists. The guys who really have an artistic temperament that use AI, and I would put Darren O'Neill in that category, they know how to prompt, they have a sense of it, and they have a sense of everything that's artistic, because Darren O'Neill, for some unknown reason to us, he's a very artsy guy. And so, and other artists, like Scaramanga's a good example, and there's others that know how to, Scaramanga can do, he can do animation in AI to the point where it's attracted Brunetti. Yes, I know. And so we have, it's the same thing. If you, if you don't, I can do some AI stuff with art, but I can't do anything compared, I mean, compared to what Darren can do, because he's,

2:11:49 More of an artist than I am so and it's the same thing with coding so that was his comment Okay, well so then then the the promise of AI is bullcrap is what you're saying So unless you can actually write a book AI won't be able to write a book for you Exactly, and if you can't do art, AI can't do art for you. Now the exception to this may be Comic Strip Blogger, but Comic Strip Blogger maybe is an artist in some way and he just got pretty adept at using the prompts. Because he has AI butt art? He's just a butt guy. Well, I mean, he's the AI and he gets AI to do it. I mean, that's his specialty. He's a butt expert. Okay. It holds true. That was kind of the point. So it's an augmentation rather than origination. Augmentation, not origination. Boom. So is that really worth $100 billion per company then? Of course not. Oh, okay. Thank you. But it's too late now.

2:12:48 No, you wait. The data center scam's falling apart. So, we thank, who are we thanking again? We were thanking Nico Sime, yes, for his artwork. Now, we both liked Tante Nils Splesch, but we kind of really wanted that for a title. I didn't think the art was that compelling. You really liked Darren O'Neill's Freedom Sap. Well, yes. The ultimate choice came between Liberty Juice from Nico Sime or Freedom Sap from Darren O'Neill. And I even like the fact that he had a better can description. The Taste of Freedom 33 ounces versus Nico Sime just had 12 ounces on there.

2:13:37 But you have a problem with SAP. You just don't like SAP. I thought SAP as an associative word and anyone who listens to NO Agenda shouldn't be seen as a SAP. And I was going to use it for... Wow, that's taken it far. Oh, okay. Sorry. And so I was thinking of using it, well, I could use it for the newsletter because it's very attractive. But then again, then I saw this little screaming meme-y thing by Dr. Kelly. Yeah. And I said that I just saw that image. I don't know if that was AI or not, but it says the screaming liberal. I mean, I just, that, I had to use that. So I ended up using that. By the way, just on that, uh,

2:14:17 on that idea of it being a tool. So many people believe that they know how to write a song and they go into AI and then they say, AI, write a song. They might give some lyrics or a snippet of lyrics and then they send it to me and say, this is the best song ever. It's always a country song. I'd say 90% of all... Why is that, by the way? I've noticed this too. Because the least people in the world understand what a good country song is. Most people will think, oh, that's great. That's my feeling behind it.

2:14:54 And the most people will know what a good hip-hop song is and it's all atrocious. It's no good. And people, just because it's in tune and it rhymes and it comes up with a chorus, be like, this song is the best. This is actually killing Spotify. Well, the inverse, Spotify is making tons of money. There's hundreds of artists, amazingly, in Sweden who are just flooding the... so the whole business on Spotify is playlists. You have to get on a popular playlist. That's how you get a hit and you can buy your position. It starts at $5,000 and these playlist makers, they know what they're doing. They know how to make playlists and Spotify promotes the playlists. It's all incestuous, believe me.

2:15:42 So now Spotify is promoting all these different play- oh, Sleep at Night, Soft Jazz, Piano Jazz, Classical, and it's all AI generated muck. And because it's AI generated muck, they take all the money from it. They don't have to give it to the music publishers. Anyone, yeah. And I think it's a very dark road they've taken by doing this. People are starting to notice. Yeah. Dark road to the bank. Well, we'll see. Anyway, was there anything else we needed to mention? I kind of like the Boomer Pills. It wasn't good enough for art. Also NicoSign. I like comicstrictblogger's Liberty Juice can. I thought that was pretty good. Yeah, didn't tickle my fancy.

2:16:36 No, I didn't recommend it. You liked Signal Trap. Well, I said it was interesting, but the signal, it had to be blue. It had to look more like a signal. It was too obscure, too obscure. Sir Shug did that one. Anyway, thank you, Nico Syme. Good work. Thank you. We appreciate it and we appreciate what everybody does to support the show because that is actual money in the bank for us, money we don't have to spend on doing these types of things. But we do need to pay bills, strangely enough. So for that we thank all of our financial supporters who delivered value back to the show, $50 and above. And we like to give a special thanks to our executive and associate executive producers. These are the ones who come in $200 or above. Now if you do that, you get an associate executive producer credit just like Hollywood. In fact, go to imdb.com. You can see many Hollywood bigwigs like Dana Brunetti, known from Fifty Shades of Grey and Fifty Shades of Greyer.

2:17:36 and Gran Turismo and House of Cards. I mean, it's no lightweight this guy. Yeah, it's non-ending. Non-ending, that's right. And we'll read your note. $300 or above. You get an executive producer credit and we'll read your note and we kick it off with Commodore Mech. That is because he becomes a Commodore today, I believe. No, maybe not. Was he already a Commodore? Let me just check for a second. I think it's today. I could be wrong. I can double check. Yes. Or maybe he wants to be knighted. No, he wants to be knighted, but he becomes a Commodore today, so he already gave 100. I mean, whatever it is, Commodore and a knight. He's from Cherry Hill, New Jersey, home of Eddie Murphy.

2:18:18 and comes in with $500 and says, karma please. I finally looked over my previous donations and with this donation I have surpassed 1,000. That is the magic level that means not only will you become a Commodore of the No Agenda Show but also a Knight of the No Agenda Roundtable and we will knight you Cermak later on and he asks for a karma. Here it comes. You've got karma. And then we go to Poland of all places and Sir Mark comes in from Poland, 500 bucks. Wow. He's in Warsaw as a matter of fact. He wants to be a commander. Commodore is what you're going to get. Just sending karma to everybody. So we put a karma. All right. You've got karma.

2:19:01 Eric Kessler is in Kansas City, Missouri. $3.50 and 93 cents. Must be with some fees added there. Thank you, John and Adam, for your courage. It's provided me with a better education than all my years of higher education. Cheers. How about that? We don't have video, but we do deliver some value. Proof right there. That's because we're an actual podcast. Yes, we are a podcast. Indie No Agenda Meetup comes in from Greenwood, Indiana. They sent a note in and a check and $333 and they have with the raffle, the witcheroo. And this one goes to Sir Ripper.

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2:21:29 I thought it... We've done these many times. No, I know, but I thought it was 200.1, .2, .3, .4, .5. It's real simple. That's where you explain it. Well, anyway, we have that not going to explain it people should listen to that episode. Yeah, I'll I think it's either 100 or 200. No 100 is when I quit. That's right. Oh, that's right. You quit at 100 200. We did this the series 100.5 200.5 is what everyone says 200.5. Yeah. Okay. So I was right to begin you are you're always right. I am. Yep. See podcast awards.

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2:25:14 Oh my head! And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the kind of comedy you can expect at the Podfather Awards at the Mothership in Austin. So, you know, there's a nut... I don't know if this guy's aware of what's going on, but Macron seems to be going nuts. Yeah, I've noticed that. Well, you know, he's married to a dude, so that's part of the problem. I think he is. And Candace Owens is not letting up on it. No, this is her main thing. She also thinks Schumer's married to a dude. Wait, but has she said yet that Mother Teresa was Fauci's mom and that she's a dude? Because that, that is the best one I've heard. No, I have not heard that one. It's exclusive right here on the show. Let's play a couple of clips. I got the France-China climate crap from NHK.

2:26:11 Okay, let's do that. China says it has agreed to bolster cooperation with France in maintaining multilateralism in global trade and combating climate change. The two sides met on Thursday in Beijing against the backdrop of Washington's America First policy. Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi and his French counterpart Jean-Noël Barrault issued a joint statement marking the 10th anniversary of the Paris Agreement on climate change. The responsibility of our two countries is also to jointly propose solutions to global challenges, as we did ten years ago to contribute to the conclusion of the Paris Climate Agreement.

2:26:50 The two sides of China and Europe should insist on being mutually beneficial and win-win partners and open up new prospects for bilateral cooperation by properly resolving the specific problems that exist through consultation. In an apparent reference to Trump's decision to pull the US out of the Paris accord, the statement says The regression of certain countries from scientific consensus and the withdrawal from multilateral institutions will only strengthen our determination and actions. Oh well, there's more money you can spend, France. Don't I recall that when China joined the Paris Accords that they said, yeah we're gonna do all this and that and the other? In 2035. Yeah, something or 2030 or 2035 and they said that's when it's gonna happen.

2:27:36 And so what is the... Can you get away with that forever? This bullcrap that you're just, oh yeah, we're all in, but in 2030. Well, yeah, because no one cares because they're all in it for the money. Even Al Gore, he's back again. He's running around. Is it too late, Vice President Gore? Well, no, it's never too late. No, I'd be out of a job if it was too late. It's not too late, but you know, a lot of damage has been done. And so here's Macron going on and on about Ukraine now trying to set up shop. French President Emmanuel Macron says a Franco-British delegation will soon visit Ukraine to plan for the deployment of what he called a reassurance force. The troops role would be to guarantee a reassurance force. I gotta write that down. What does that even mean?

2:28:28 I have no... It doesn't mean anything! A reassurance force? Hmm... Alright... ...plan for the deployment of what he called a reassurance force. The troops' role would be to guarantee an eventual ceasefire with Russia. Macron hosted a summit of leaders of about 30 nations and organizations in Paris on Thursday to discuss support for Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky also attended. Macron told reporters after a meeting that participants unanimously agreed that time was not right to lift sanctions on Moscow. White House officials said Tuesday Washington had agreed in separate talks with Moscow and Kiev that safe navigation would be ensured in the Black Sea and the use of force would end in those waters. But Russia has insisted some sanctions must be lifted before the agreement can take effect.

2:29:26 Speaking after the Paris summit, Zelensky said Russian President Vladimir Putin is not ready for direct negotiations. The Ukrainian leader added that he's ready for negotiations in any format. Force armes? No, it would be force reassurance. Armes reassurance. This doesn't sound right. Reassurance of what? Of force. We're going to reassure that we have force? I don't know. Reassurance. Sounds like something Warren Buffett sells. That's reinsurance. Oh, reinsurance. I came across a crazy ad that I'd like to share with you. And it just, I guess it comes on the heels of, you know,

2:30:21 There's a producer who I donated too late for today's show. Sent me a really long note. Did you see that note come in by any chance? I'm sorry, what? A producer sent a really long note that came in too late for today's show. I didn't see it. And it was about pharma advertising. Yeah. And let me see if I can find it real quick. Hmm. The crux was, please stop talking about RFK removing pharma advertising. Why should we stop talking about it? Because that's going to kill my business.

2:31:03 Oh, well what's it got to do with... we're not working for him. Does he send us enough money to stop talking about this stuff? Get on that Linda Lou Pakin train. Well, you know, he says this is one of the biggest businesses. It's so much money for people who are advertising creatives that it's going to kill their industry. But that's just the advertising industry. There's other things that need advertising. Well, no one wants to lose their job. Let's understand that. But... No, but why would you lose your job if you lose... It's called losing an account. Well, but it's the biggest accounts. The point of the... The producer's point was... Oh, the biggest account. There you go. Now you're talking. It's the biggest accounts. Yeah. You guys don't talk negative about Coca-Cola and Pepsi, which are other big accounts. So we don't. That's correct. We should.

2:31:56 You know, did you know there was a whole influencer campaign for sugary drinks that a whole bunch of right-wing influencers were on the money train for? No, tell me about it. Yeah, yeah. Another thing we missed out on because we're legit. Because we're legit. There are people apologizing like, oh, I'm sorry. It was because they're talking about taking sugary drinks off of Snap. And so then some genius in sugary drink land, which could either be Coca-Cola or PepsiCo, I don't know if there's much more, came up with an idea I know what it will do. We had a whole bunch of those MAGA people to talk positive and say, oh, don't take that off Snap, it's good. It's good for children. And they got paid, and they got paid, and good money apparently. Anyway, I think there's, my point would be I think there's plenty of room for

2:32:51 imagination and creativity in advertising. Have a listen. Imagine a toilet so striking it inspired a couture dress. That's right. Kohler's Vale Smart Toilet in honed black actually inspired fashion designer Laura Kim to create a stunning black chiffon dress that debuted on the runway at New York Fashion Week. The Vale Smart Toilet with its curved design deep deep, rich textural color, touchscreen controls and customizable cleansing features can transform your routine into something extraordinary. That's the power of design. Design changes everything. Vail Smart Toilet in Honed Black. Only from Kohler. Discover the Vail Smart Toilet and go behind the scenes of Kohler's partnership with creative director Laura Kim at Kohler.com.

2:33:36 I'm telling you. When the runway model came down the runway, did anyone try to jiggle her handle? There it is. I was waiting for something. That's very creative. How do we do an ad for a smart toilet? And now I want one of these. Smart toilet? Yeah, why not? It has a... Everybody's got one but me. I don't have a smart toilet. Horowitz has got one. He's got a smart toilet? Brunetti's got a couple of them. What do these smart toilets do? Well, when you walk in the bathroom, the toilet opens up and greets you. Wait, wait, does it do like this? You are being recorded! Let's do one of those. Not yet. Kohler smart toilet. Really?

2:34:20 How come everyone... Oh, well I see what they're talking about. This is some... It looks like a box that you poop in. This is a smart... Exactly, it's a box you poop in. It's amazing this thing. It's a square box with a seat and you poop in it. But it reminds me of haute couture. You still have to jiggle the handle no matter what you do. Yes, I would like to get a report from you from Andrew Horowitz exactly what his... has this toilet been discussed on DHL? Yeah, it's been discussed on the show but I don't think it's the box, it's just a, you know, it's a toilet. Well if you're gonna get a toilet you might as well get a designer toilet and that apparently is a square box. It looks like, yeah, it's just a square box with a hole in the top.

2:35:08 Even the Liddy Square. It's called an outhouse. To poop in. Then you go in the backyard. Okay, I have a series of clips on incels. Oh, all right. Which became a topic of conversation on one of the networks. I remember it well. And this is called Black Pill. And I got just a bunch of clips and if you want to hear them and talk about this because I think this is bogus. They make it sound as though it's a club. I'm going to a book now, it's just been published, it's called Black Pill. Wait, is this the BBC World Service? I won't do the jingle. Yes, it's the BBC. I won't do the jingle. And it looks at the incel, by which I mean involuntary celibates movement and draws on interviews with incels around the western world. It's a movement, yeah. The movement should check out the new smart toilet from Kohler. It's been written by Maeve Park.

2:35:59 And the idea is to help explain incels and the culture that creates them and what they believe. I spoke to Maeve Park earlier and asked, first of all, just to do a definition of terms, as it were, what does the title Black-Pilled mean and how does she define the term incel? The term blackpilled is the name of the ideology we're seeing subscribed to in cells. It's a nihilistic worldview with misogyny as well and the term in cell literally means involuntary celibate. However, the term is used within this group of people mostly congregating online who subscribed to the beliefs of the blackpill so they can believe in the nihilistic version of life or the misogynistic

2:36:41 wrapped into one kind of ideological worldview. Very bleak, very much about men being suppressed and very much about if you're not attractive enough, your hope in life is you don't really have a lot of hope in life. So kind of a fatalistic, catastrophic, nihilistic worldview with misogyny very much attached into it as well. Okay, hold on a second. So you have Five clips from the BBC about Blackpill, yet they can't fill three clips with any information about Turkey? Turkey A. Turkey A? They can't even pronounce it right. I'm very familiar with Blackpill. This has been a term that's been around. I'm unfamiliar with all this. Well, you should ask the kids at the table. They're all married. I mean, I don't think any Blackpillers are around.

2:37:30 You have to have a black pillar in the family it seems to me. Well there's this is a real thing I'd never really heard about how it was filled with misogyny though that's that's an interesting take so I'm excited to hear the rest of your series. I think I've heard that part. Because these guys, you know, they can't get a date, they can't look a girl in the eye. But Blackpill is not necessarily incel. Blackpill is you see no future for the world and you're just... Well, according to this woman, Blackpill is incels. So age isn't part of the definition? No, age is not part of the definition. In the online world for incels, they actually tend to be in their mid-20s and they tend to kind of start around 19 and the oldest incels I've come across online would be in their mid-30s. So there is a kind of a broad age group there as well. And the basic idea is they've never found a girlfriend and they blame the world for

2:38:26 This is the second time this guy's done that. And I don't know that it's part of the British accent, I've never noticed this before, but he did it the first clip, he's done it again. What did he do? He says, idea. Oh yeah, that's a very, you know, that's a New England thing too. My mom would say idea. What's the idea? It is a derivative, it is a British thing, idea. There's no R in idea. But BBC also can't seem to say Turkey yay, so. And the basic idea is they've never found a girlfriend and they blame the world for that. Yeah, basic idea is that, yeah, that is true. Yes, they believe that because they haven't had any romantic partners or even gone on dates or had any success

2:39:13 in that kind of arena, that they feel that there's something either very much wrong with them or wrong with society and they're kind of taking that out in a very much a resentment-billed ideology and a very kind of fatalistic manner as well. And that can get violent? We have seen violence coming from this kind of ideology in this worldview and we've seen some mass shootings and mass homicide coming from it. One of the earliest mass shootings was in the 2014, the Isla Vista shooting in California. carried out by a young man called Elliot Roger. He was 21 at the time and he shot and killed six people including himself. And then from that we've also seen other types of violence coming out of the world view as well. We've seen sexual harassment, stalking, abuse, abuse online and there has been a wide variety of harms coming out. And then some of the violence that we're seeing is also suicide as well.

2:40:08 Well, this is no laughing matter and there's a lot of data to back up this problem that young men have a very hard time finding a mate, just someone to date, mainly because... Can I... Yes? Well, you would say what you think is mainly because, because I have a mainly because. Well, the problem is from two sides. On the female side, many young girls are only interested in a very successful, they want influencers, they want money, you gotta have money, you gotta show cash, you gotta have money. And I'm generalizing, but I think it's true in general.

2:40:49 On the young men's side, there's no place for them to go meet girls, so it's only online. And the only online experience they have is an overabundance of porn. So when they finally meet or have a date, all they can think about is porn. And I was talking to the barista here at Java Ranch, nice girl. She says, Adam, I can't, you know, these are all young kids. I can't find a man to date. And I said, well, what do you mean? When you meet them, this is horrible. All they want is one thing and it's all like aggressive and it's just it's horrible. So that's what's going on here. I don't think so. OK. I mean, I think that's that is the result of the real problem. OK. When I was a kid. Here we go. Yeah. Here we go. Yes.

2:41:39 When I was a kid in the second grade, the third grade, the fourth grade, even the first grade I think, we were forced to learn different dances. We had to dance with girls. Yes. We were dancing the cha-cha, they would teach us the cha-cha-cha, the rumba, every stupid dance imaginable and you had to dance. And square dancing was also a big thing, you had to learn how to do that. And so by the time you're in the sixth grade, you knew how to at least, you know, step around and you were handling girls because you had to dance with girls. You weren't dancing with guys. And so, and there was always a class that was about half and half. So you'd get a, you know, and you'd switch partners and you'd always, you'd be very familiarized. And then by the time he got to high school, they had the sock hop, which I bitch about and moan and groan about constantly. This is another old thing that's long gone. And the reason for the sock hop was in the gym and he had to wear socks because they didn't want to scratch up the gym floor as a reason for being socks. But they had all these dances and people would stand around and then they picked

2:42:38 There was forced socialization at the school level when you're a little kid that has disappeared. That is causing all the rest of it. That was John C. DeVorex. Boomer Update. Yeah. Well, there was also something called cotillion. That was more a southern thing, I think. Cotillion. Yep. Same idea. I think you are absolutely right. Now, you have to add to that that the schools have become exactly the opposite. Oh, oh no, you know, you have to ask permission and you can't look at anyone and it's toxic masculinity and the whole society... You're right, society is screwed. You're right. You're right.

2:43:28 And so these boys, they fall into a black hole of gaming and if they're unlucky they get hypnotized into trans stuff, which was covered on the show, and they go all goth and then they turn into women. It's the whole thing. We're doomed. People were doomed. Go to school and get your dance on. Yeah, the homeschooling doesn't do this, the forced socialization quite like real school used to do, but they don't do it anymore so you might as well homeschool. Let's go to clip three. Now one of the striking things seeing your book was that the people you interviewed were UK, this is where they were, UK, Canada, USA, Australia, France, Germany. Is this a Western phenomenon?

2:44:15 It's not a Western phenomenon, but I was going, I was researching the Anglosphere in cell communities, which was an interesting finding to see that there were people who came from non-English speaking countries taking part in the English speaking in cell communities. However, we have discovered that there are non-English in cell communities. communities. There are French communities, there are Indian communities, there are South Korean. It spans the world. And now we're seeing even some African communities coming up. So it's not just a Western problem or a Western issue, but we are seeing maybe the Western Insel communities being, they're probably the older communities. They have a lot more of the worldview established

2:44:52 and they really resonate around the media messages of the West, mostly coming from an American kind of media culture. You know, it's not just from your generation, but when I was growing up at the Dorpshaus, I grew up in a small village south of Amsterdam, we had a like a little community, what do you call that? Yeah, where the community comes together as a whole. What do you call it? Community? When I was a... Back to you. Just to back that up. We had a boys girls club kind of thing. It was called the Community Center. It was in Newark. And the Community Center would have these dances every Friday and Saturday when you're in grammar school. Well, what happened? And they had other situations. There was the... They were dancing with

2:45:39 Forced dancing because it was a socialization thing And I would say it's forced. Forced dancing, we never had incels. We didn't have the idea of somebody living with their parents until they're in their 30s because they can't get a date. I mean, this is all new and it has a lot to do with the lack of socialization as a young adult, as a young, no, not young adult, a kid. Well, I was going to add to that that we had once a year there was dance lessons. And everybody would sign up for dance lessons. And you'd all go there and that was a version, it wasn't school organized, but it was village organized. Like, hey, let's sign up for dance lessons. And everybody did it. You didn't want to be the schmuck that didn't go. And no one could dance. That's why you went to dance lessons. And it was the same thing. And of course I didn't go to dance lessons and I became an incel. But then I got on the radio and things changed. You've been married three times. You're not an incel.

2:46:47 Wow, you had to go there. Onward! So do you think this is one of those things that's happening because of the internet? You know, these people like this have always existed, but they've been isolated and now they're not, they're part of a group. I would say yes, that is definitely true and that is why we're seeing kind of a community build around people who couldn't find community. I often say that the incels online are the most exclusive club in a very strange way. They're very clear about who is incel, who is not incel. and who would fit in their criteria. However, they are all a bunch of people who did not find community outside of these groups. So, in a strange way, they are the outsiders now building a group for themselves online. However, as you said, yes, there have always been people who have been left out, ostracized. And in cells, not all of them would be misogynistic, not all of them would be violent, many of them are nihilistic.

2:47:38 very much self-hating and would not take their vengeance or resentment out on others. But yes, the internet has allowed for this kind of ideologies to spread around and people who may not have found these ideologies before to find them and that's what we're seeing with the internet. You've used the term nihilistic quite a lot. So can you just talk us through that? When you interview one of these young men, how does that manifest itself, that nihilism? Very much a feeling that nothing will ever work out for me, that there is no hope for me, that I may as well drop out of society, meaning if you're young, dropping out of university, dropping out of school, not attempting to find a job, not leaving your house.

2:48:18 not going outside or having any conversations with anyone, becoming very reclusive and feeling like that is your kind of fate at a very young age which is very difficult but also very damaging for their life, for their sense of well-being. I've met many people in their mid-30s who have gone through that in their early 20s and are now kind of seeing the impact of that where they have no social circle They have no financial they have no ability to get a job a salary and so their their situation has become very bleak They can always and they can always become artists for the no agenda show again We have that no explanation for any of this is just a phenomenon Which is again, which is your complaint about the BBC from the earlier clips? Yeah, but but you know, you didn't have to stretch it out for eight minutes and

2:49:12 I'm sorry, but we're gonna wrap it now. So you can complain later. There's no complaining. Let's hold hands and share a secret. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy in many ways. And very damaging for young people getting involved in that for that reason as well. Always male or sometimes female incels? Interestingly enough there are some women incels. There's a group called femme cels. However, there are not as many of them and incel, the term incel is only male. So only men can call themselves incels according to the communities and according to the people online who define themselves as incel because the outgroup for incels are women. So the resentment is there around women and so that's why it's important for them to keep that in only men as well. You've described

2:50:03 that this is a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy and people in their mid-30s can get into a very bad situation because they've had this thinking in their 20s. Are there people who are incels who get out of it, you know, and they find relationships and they move on? Oh yeah, well that's always the hope and I speak about it in the book how a couple of the interviewees I met, so I was interviewing them for over a year, and during that time a couple of them found ways out of the ideology or out of their situation One of the best success stories was a man in his later 20s returning to university after initially dropping out in his early 30s in the UK. And that has kind of given him a new lease in life, a new goal, a new feeling of self-esteem. And he's having a good time enjoying it and finding people through it as well. So that was a success story in itself. Other times, some incels can just leave because they find potentially a partner or friendships

2:50:58 But we have to be very careful about when we talk about whether a relationship is your way out. A lot of incels will believe, if I find a girlfriend, I'll leave the ideology. But the evidence is showing that sometimes when that happens, the ideology doesn't go away. You don't become less misogynistic or less nihilistic just because you have a date or had a short term relationship or a girlfriend. That doesn't solve the problem. Well, I think this is self-correcting. We're seeing it already. I mean, this is really a millennial problem. Sorry, gens, yeah, no millennial problem. Younger millennial problem. The older millennials were just close enough to Gen X that they kind of, you know, they got a clue.

2:51:39 And I'm seeing Gen Z. Gen Z is kind of rebelling against technology, rebelling a bit against the phone stuff. They're playing chess, they're going out, they're doing other things. They are getting together in groups. I think it's self-correcting. It just gives the BBC another opportunity to fill 10 minutes of airtime with dreck. Dreck. It might be self-correcting, but the problem still exists that the schools are not doing their jobs of socializing the kids properly. And until they start doing that, which you're not going to do the way they're going about things. No, but the schools are complicit in transing children and putting odd

2:52:18 books in the library and then highlighting it by putting right lock and key. The schools are the problem. Always. The schools are the problem. There it is. And that's why we need to dissolve the Department of Education, give it back to the states and Texas will be number one baby, phone finger. You know, Texas is one of the states along with a lot of the states that is like they always bitch about California doing this with the Texas California's Johnny come lately when it comes to not telling the parents that your kids trans is going trans Yeah, Texas is one of those states really yep. Yeah, well, how does that work? I don't know I don't know I was not aware how you get Jasmine Crockett

2:53:04 Good point. All right, I'll I need to add a new word to our vocabulary as the Oxford Dictionary has added it so that means besides saying Turkey a properly we now have a new one. Let's talk because the English language is changing the folks behind the Oxford English Dictionary added dozens of new words to its pages this week. The new entries include many of Spanish origin like Cubano, referring to anything Cuban from individuals to the famous sandwiches. Also in there, slang phrases such as real talk. meaning honest and direct conversations and British slang like the word faffy as in over complicated and time-consuming. Faffy, faffy, f-a-f-f-y, faffy? Yes, faffy. I've never heard that I used Cubano coincidentally in the show today. When you're talking about somebody a person of Cuban origin you call them a Cubano. No I was referring to the cigar.

2:54:01 But faffy, F-A-F-F-Y, I've never heard this phrase or term or word. It was new to me. It was new to me. It sounds like they're just throwing it in for no good reason. Well, it's amazing you can say anything in public in the United Kingdom. Man, did you hear about the WhatsApp thing? This was interesting. Some parents got arrested for posting something in a private group on WhatsApp. Six police officers came to my house and arrested me. Why? Because I'd been talking about my daughter's school on a WhatsApp group. It was the morning of Wednesday the 29th of January, about a quarter to twelve. I was on a Zoom call for a work project when on my Zoom screen in the little window where I saw my own face

2:54:44 I realized that two police officers were standing behind me. Another two police officers were arresting my partner, Rosalind, in front of Francesca, our three-year-old daughter. They bundled us into the police cars and took us off to custody at Stevenage Police Station, where we remained for the next 12 hours. He arrested me on suspicion of harassment and malicious communications. And it was to do with a dispute with our daughter's primary school, which began with posts on a WhatsApp group. Are you interested to hear what horrible things they did in the WhatsApp group? You know, this has been going on now for some time in England and it's discouraging and you have to wonder, you know, about the mentality of the police who are enforcing these laws. They seem to be doing it with some relish. Oh yeah. Which I find disturbing. They enjoy it. Well, it beats going after people with guns and zombie knives. I mean, hey,

2:55:44 Might as well take the squad down and arrest these two parents. to appoint the deputy head as acting head ten months later without even advertising the job. So I made some inquiries. I contacted the chair of governors in private and in good faith and asked her to explain what her rationale was and what was going to happen. Her response, in my opinion, was rather

2:56:20 evasive. So I asked again and I wrote to all the governors asking them to explain what was happening and why they decided to do that. I posted that letter in a WhatsApp group. It's a private parent's WhatsApp group. On that WhatsApp group, like most parents, we chanted about a few things. One thing we talked about on that group was a letter from the school commanding all parents not to talk about the school on Facebook or social media or WhatsApp groups. We thought that was a bit off. My partner Rosalind made a handful of vaguely spicy comments. She referred to one school leader as a control freak.

2:56:59 She said the chair of governors didn't know much about anything. Out of the blue, on the 12th of July last year, the chair of governors wrote to Rosalind and me. She accused us of posting disparaging and inflammatory comments on WhatsApp and Facebook. Boo. Yeah, thought crimes. You can't do anything anymore in the UK. And you can't even say you have a wife, you have to call it your partner. I never understood that. They never say my wife, they say my partner. Maybe they're not married. No, they're married. They're married. They're married and they're calling her the partner? It's a very standard thing in the UK and Australia as well. It's a bit of a woke thing.

2:57:46 I don't want to see my wife. Well, what are the odds my partner here is going to read off the supporters, financial supporters who sent us back value in our value for value model, $50 and above. Remember, we do have John's tip of the day coming up. Some kick-ass mixes from the Clip Custodian and David Kekta and some real ISOs to end the show with, along with nice Meetup reports and more to come. So, John, take it away. My partner. Sure. Sure. Partner. Partner.

2:58:30 Sean Holman, maybe a relation to Noblesville, Indiana, 148-48. And this is, I thought was interesting, he's calling out D-Nice as a juice bag. Juice bag. We got a juice bag for that. Juice bag. I don't know what that is. Sir Beboop, 111-11. 111-11. He's the knight of the frozen tundra. Jennifer, what do you think, Fivy? Fivy? Fivy, yeah, Fivy. Fiver or Fivy? Fivy. In Calgary, Alberta. I have to read this note. She's in Calgary. $100.33. We love you guys up here in Canada. So there you go. Yeah. Can we get some IVF?

2:59:24 Baby making karma for our daughter and her husband? Let's do it right away. Let's not delay. You've got karma. Remember, you gotta name the kid after us. Yep, it's gotta be one. That's the rule. That's the rule. Brian Warden in Cumming, Georgia. 100. I'll leave the note to itself. Then I have a blank line. Well, for a hundred somebody was there. I wonder if it's... This happens all the time more recently. There's no name. How does that work?

3:00:05 Sir Kelly and Dame Andrea in Rocky Mountain House, Alberta, Canada. Another Albertan. They love us, man. They want to be part of us. No jingles, no karma. $100. Jason Marrerer, Marrerer in Vancouver, Washington, the smart money area. $100. You don't have to pay taxes for anything. Aaron Weiberg in Roberts, Wisconsin 8438 there he is Kevin McLaughlin. He's the Archduke of Luna lover of American boobs 8008 Brandon Locklear in Sugar Hill, Georgia 73 73 73 73 is kilo 5 alpha Charlie Charlie could have put his call. Yeah, where's your call? Where's your call sign man Dame Dana Carroll in Laughlin, Nevada 72 27

3:00:52 Jorge Alvarez in Pontevedra Beach, 7171. Sir Andrew Walker in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, 6678. I got a birthday call out for March 30th. It's not too late. No, it's not too late. Craig Kohler in Evansville, Indiana, 650... There it is! The chip donation, $6,502. That's the third one I think and that great promotion. Fantastic promotion. Jamie Buell in Vista, California, $6,006. Sir Dr. Sharkey in Jackson, Tennessee, $5,678. Anything there? No. Sir Lucas in Federal Way, Washington, $5,510.

3:01:45 Cameron Ling in North Branch, Minnesota, 5452. Surprise, surprise! In Yukon, Oklahoma, 5444. The Window Washer in Annandale, Virginia, 5393. With the comment, nothing funny here. Sir Silverin in Silver Spring, Maryland, 5150. And now we're already to the 50s? By the way, this Silverman is a late Saturday, don't they? Okay, that's a birthday, no, it's not. Okay, here's the 50s. Name and location, starting with Simon Shong, who I have no location for. Bobby Bowe in Bluegrass, Louisiana. Leaf Thompson in Meridian, Idaho. Then we got

3:02:39 Schoonzoon. Schoonzoon, which means son-in-law. In Amsterdam, 50. And last on another short list today, Joshua Johnson in Omaha, 50. That's the end of it. That's the end of it. I want to thank these people for show 17. 1751. Yes, thank you all for those of you who supported us and those who came in under $50 we never mentioned those for anonymity reasons for reasons of anonymity. And of course, to sustaining donors, we appreciate everything that you have done by going to noagendadonations.com, filling out a recurring donation, any amount, any frequency, and of course, you can always make up your own number. We love the numerology. Please support the show. Keep it going for another four more years. Noagendadonations.com. Thank you for your support.

3:03:33 We say happy birthday to Hope Wicker. She turned 8 on the 28th. Sir Andrew Walker celebrates today. Evan Mackey turns 19 tomorrow. Sir McBarfie wishes Sir Thomas McKean a happy one on April 2nd. That is Liberation Day. Also celebrating on Liberation Day is Sir Cane Break Commodore of the Cane River Lake. And Justine wishes her husband Carl a happy birthday. He turns 34 years old. We say happy birthday on behalf of everyone Have a great day.

3:04:14 Congratulate Commodore Mech and Commodore Sir Mark. Both of you are now Commodores of No Agenda. Go to noagendarings.com to get your official certificate. Give us the name you want and the address you want your certificate sent to. It's a real one. It's a doozy. It's beautiful. And as always, Commodores arriving! And we have one knight, so let us see I got a sword here. Do you have a sword for I got this one in the special sheath? There it is Hey mech mech m-e-k mech hop on up you're already a commodore so you might as well give an official knighting thanks to your support of the noah jenna show in the amount of one thousand dollars or more and I am very proud to pronounce the k-d not just as sir mech but as

3:05:00 Commodore Sir Mech, that's right. And you are now a member of the Noahj and the Knights and dames of the round table. For you we have cookies and vodka, warm beer and cold women. Oh, forgot the hookers and blow and the rent boys and chardonnay. Also geishas and sake, vodka, vanilla, bong hits and bourbon, sparkling cider and escorts, ginger ale and gerbils. And we got some fresh milk and pavlon, but as always people always love the mutton and the mead. head over to noagenderrings.com. It is a real ring, it's a signet ring. You can hit people in the mouth with it, it will leave a mark, or you could be kind to your fellow human beings and just send them a letter and seal it with the wax we provide for all of your important correspondents. And that also comes with a certificate of authenticity. Welcome to the round table, Commodore Sir Mech. No Agenda, Me-ow!

3:05:49 Yeah, baby, the parties are always happening at the NO Agenda Meetups. They're happening all around the world almost every single day of the week. Apparently we had a couple of problems with the noagendameetups.com website. I know Sir Daniel is working on that, but we do believe we have a complete lineup for you. But first we have some reports. This is the 61st meetup from the flight of the NO Agendas. Leo Bravo always taking care of that in somewhere in California. Hey, everybody. It's Leo Bravo at meetup number 61. I'm passing the phone around. My friends have things to say. This is Toast, ITM. Sir Toast. Jim, new to Fullerton. I'm here. Dot, enjoyed your meeting. James, why are your friends? Train's good. Plane's next time. Hey John and Adam, Sir Lincoln, Full Pop, just checking to see if code Bongino still works. Yep. Jim, better say 10-4 to all these nice people.

3:06:42 In the morning, answer the question, go. Steven of the Orange Curtain, John, you'd be interested to know there are very many young foamers here at the Fullerton train station. In the morning, this is Angie from the ranch having a great time at the Fullerton meetup. No comment, nano nano. Sounds like you missed a good foamer meetup, John. You can't, you gotta get to those foamer meetups. Big One as always from our indie group. They are big, they are large, they are in charge and they always include their server in their meetups reports. This is Dei Maria. And Sir Mark here. Having a great time with our No Anto Enda family here in Indianapolis. Drinking some beer in a converted Catholic church. Thank you St. Joseph. Hey it's Gary here. Look out people, the brains of the DNC are out on tour. Yes that's right, AOC and Bernie Sanders are out there to rally the troops. Look out!

3:07:33 I'm out! Then I realized I am a fed. Hey, this is Emily in the morning. Brewski here just drinking some beer in the church. Anetski here just drinking some bourbon in the church with the feds. Hello, this is Volodymyr Zelensky and I can do tariffs too. I'm going to put tariffs on prostitution, drugs, crocodile, marijuana.

3:08:12 AK-47s, all those things. So take that Trump. Hi, this is Katie from St. Joseph's Brewery in Indianapolis, Indiana. It's been a pleasure to host the No Agenda folks and I look forward to seeing them again. Hey, this is Carol. I am in training at St. Joseph's Brewery and I also have been a pleasure hanging out with this crew. Live from Indy, in this moment. We'll fix it in post. Not one but two servers in the report. I love those guys. Thank you, Indiana. Indy Meetup. Those guys are good. I'm glad we got Zelensky. He finally came up. He finally showed up. I can't believe he's putting tariffs on hookers. Oh, that guy.

3:08:55 There is a meetup underway, the TMI EVAC Zone Crossword Puzzle Meetup. It started at 3.30 at Evergreen Brewing in Camp Hill, Pennsylvania. I'm sure they're still going strong. Tomorrow, April Fool's Day, meetup not for fools at 5.30. That'll be at Barley's in downtown Knoxville, Tennessee. Also on April Fool's Day, Springfield, Missouri, ain't no fool meetup. See, that's the theme here, six o'clock. Bears All-American Sports Bar and Grill in Springfield, Missouri. Then on Thursday, ooh, Nothing on Liberation Day. Oh, what a missed opportunity. On Thursday, our next show day, the No Agenda New York City Meetup. Yes, there are still normal people in New York City. Five o'clock at the Perfect Pint West in New York City, New York, New York. And finally, also on the third Thursday, Northern Wake Public Slave Gathering. That'll be at six o'clock

3:09:44 at Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina. Many more meetups to come, including Osaka, Japan on April 5th. Make sure you check that one out. I know there was a big meetup in the lowlands. I got pictures and everyone's having a good time, so I expect a meetup report from them, which is usually quite inebriated. We love the meetup reports. We love the meetups. They are producer-organized. You get out of it what you put into it. Go to noagendameetups.com. Guaranteed, though, you will always Have a party. If you can't find one near you, start one yourself. NoagendaMeetups.com.

3:10:34 And yes, thank you trolls. I made a mistake. Of course tomorrow is not the first but Tuesday is the first and I was incorrect in my crib sheet. There's a 31st day of March. So yes, that was my mistake. Kind of. I should have known better. Where's my partner? Where's my partner correcting me? What? I said Monday the first. It's Tuesday the first. Yeah, yeah, that was a mistake. Yeah. Alright, ISO time. I've got three. They're real, they're not AI generated. Let's see how we do. I think there's some real evil out there. Okay, no. I can delete that one. How about this? There's a good side and there's a dark side. Just like Star Wars. Too long, kind of. How about this one? I think you'll like this one. You guys are freaks. How about that? That's pretty good.

3:11:27 There's nothing very complimentary about this show. Oh, you would... How about just fun and humor? No? No good? Okay. So what are your AI-generated ISOs? My AI-generated... I got two. Any better? The show can't be any better than that. Yeah, how can I beat that? Where's the yo-yo yo, what's up? I'm still working on it Mimi's actually working on it too, and she can't this is not as easy as it looks Can can can some of our hip-hop trolls just send me a yo-yo yo, what's up, so I can just What up? Yeah, so we get this off our plates, please great shows the other one great show boys

3:12:13 Yeah, I think I think this is obviously complimentary the show can't be any better than that I mean that's you have to go with that. It's kind of self-serving and kind of pathetic because yeah Not pathetic the result you yes Bob, you're saying it's not pathetic, you're saying it's pathetic because it's AI generated. It is the result of a $100 billion per company industry, ladies and gentlemen. Well, hey, think about the money we saved! There you go. And now, ladies and gentlemen, not AI, it is John's tip of the day. I'm gonna do an off-handed tip of the day that's not the tip of the day, just a suggestion for people like to shop at Costco. The grass-fed butter in the green packaging... Yes, Tina loves that stuff. ...is excellent. I think it's as good as the imported butters. She loves that stuff.

3:13:20 In fact, all the carnivores love that stuff. They just eat it out of the pack. It's a great product. Carnivores, man. The carnivore diet is like they eat butter like a stick. Yeah, there's a piece of butter. I got a butter popsicle. That's pretty much it. That's your entire tip? That's it? No, that's not. That's just a side tip. Oh, side tip of the day. Okay, sorry. Perfect Glass. I'm telling you, this company hopes This is a cleaning product again, a cleaning product company, but I'm telling you, Hopes, perfect line of cleaners and there's a bunch of them. Perfect Glass is the one I'm going to mention here, but there's also Perfect Sink, which is a stunner. Perfect Sink, Hopes is the brand, a very advanced product. They're using, I don't know what tech they're using, but they can

3:14:15 polished stainless steel sinks with this hopes perfect sink you wouldn't believe what you end up with it stainless steel the funny thing about stainless steel is stainless steel stains and stainless steel stains easily yes and this is for stainless steel sinks Not, no, perfect glass is for windows. Oh, okay, yeah. Perfect sink is for stainless steel sinks, but they also have a stainless steel, perfect stainless steel for other appliances that are made out of stainless steel. Wow. But the entire Hopes line of cleaning products is world class and for example, the perfect glass is not like Windex, which

3:14:55 You know Windex, it's like they've been coasting for years on their ammonia-based squeeze. It's no good! Windex, you know Windex here in Texas, all the Mexicans use Windex for everything. Yeah, you got a scrape. It's got a lot of ammonia in it does clean. Yeah, you got a cut but if we're glasses it for glass It doesn't clean well, it doesn't really do the trick hopes I'm going to get some Tina's always complaining about the glass always well Then she'll love perfect glass perfect glass from hopes hopes perfect glass. I am do they have it for toilet bowls? Well, you already did the toilet bowl one with Lysol. That's right. I thought it was a competing product. I'm not doing any more toilet bowl stuff. Actually, I talked to Mimi about these suggestions. She had another toilet bowl suggestion. What is Mimi's? Mimi, get your head out of the toilet bowl. We got to stop this. These are serious tips of the day. Check it out at tipoftheday.net, noagendafund.com.

3:15:54 Created fast for you and me, just a tip with JCD. And sometimes Adam. Created by Dana Brunetti. Wow. But these are good tips. I mean, we actually wind up buying some of this stuff because we trust you. You're a trustworthy guy. I am. I'm very trustworthy. I wanted to do a series of books called Honest John. Right after the Podfather Awards, the Microphone Company, the Vinegar Book and many other great things. You know what? Why don't we just do another show on Thursday? Why don't we try that? If there's an idea, let's do that. At least we can get that done. We can get that produced. Thank you to everybody who helps produce this show monetarily and otherwise. It is all highly valued and highly appreciated. Coming up next on the No Agenda Stream or in your modern podcast app, Random Thoughts.

3:16:49 That's another good show. All these shows are good and no agenda stream. It's just got great shows also excellent and outstanding end of show mixes from David Cacta and the clip custodian Neil Jones checks in with a double-header Coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country right here in FEMA Region number six for as long as people understand what that means. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I remain, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you on Thursday, that will be April 3rd. Please join us then and remember us at noagendadonations.com.

3:17:26 Until then, adios mofos, hui hui, and cya tomorrow! News from the revelation, senior Trump administration officials somehow added a journalist to a Signal group chat in which they discuss secret plans for military strikes in Yemen. It's interesting because a lot of your thinking as expressed by your public statements is deeply infused with economic and cultural Marxism. Do you believe that America is addicted to white supremacy? Um, um... Much of my thinking has evolved over the last half decade. I've evolved as a human being because... All the ways he's said over the last half decade... I know, isn't that a great way? What does he mean, five years?

3:18:11 I apologize, I don't recall what I did. I have no doubt that your tweet there is correct, but I don't recall. I don't recall. White people inherently feel superior to other races. This is great. This is your virtue signaling coming back and slapping you in the face like a wet salmon. The wheels on the Omnibus go round and round, round and round, round and round. The wheels on the Omnibus go round and round, with all the EU clowns. I would argue that the new Jesus Christ of our era are Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. That's not true. He's incompetent. Elon Musk, aka real-life Iron Man. He's a Nazi. He's a thief. An immigrant to this country cemented his status. He's a Nazi. Musk is doing things that may revolutionize

3:19:06 transportation and climate change. That's not true. When somebody as staggeringly rich and staggeringly intelligent as Elon Musk talks, people listen. He's incompetent. He's a thief. He's a Nazi. As a leader in science and technology whose name may indeed belong alongside those of Edison and Jobs, Elon Musk is incompetent in his position. Put another way, Elon Musk today showed the world how it's done.

3:19:55 You play the video of a town hall as though it's evidence of some broad anger that's out there, and it's not. We are mobilizing in New York. We have people going to the Republican districts. You just said you're organizing town halls in red districts. Going after these Republicans who are voting for this. You don't actually have to wait for them. You can hold that town hall. They organize, they get loud, they get viral moments. You schedule it, you invite them. If they come, that's great. But if they don't come, have an empty chair. Hundreds of Hoosiers gathered today at the downtown library for an empty chair town hall. Sorry, our party is not that organized.

3:20:36 This is a long, relentless fight that we fight every day. And I am confident that we will bring Trump's popularity, numbers and strength down. What we're seeing when we do this is that these are sold out. People want to come. People want to be involved in the process right now. Our party is not that organized. You can try to bring it up. The best podcast in the universe! Adios, mofo. Dvorak.org slash N-A. The show can't be any better than that.