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00:01 What the heck is a life-threatening skin rash? Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's January 14, 2010. Time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 165. This is no agenda. Practicing crippled epistemology. I am coming to you live from the Minimum Security Containment Cell Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation, West San Francisco, California. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where the sun is in my eyes, I'm John C. DeVore. It's Craig Mudd and Buzzkill. In the morning. In the morning to you, John. In the morning to you. How you doing, my friend? Oh, not bad. Except for your Windows machine is not cooperating. That's going okay now. I fixed it. Oh, alright. So, uh...

00:52 There's lots of news this week. Yeah, no kidding. Should we start right off with this week's executive producer? Yeah, and then I can also bring up the fact that this is probably the worst week for donations we've had since the show started. Oh, excellent. That's real happy news, John. In the morning to you, you bastard. I think I know the reason why, but we'll discuss it later. So our executive producer is Joshua Judd in Tempe, Arizona. $165. He's the executive producer and I want to read his note. I'm donating $165, one dollar for every episode so far. I'm a college student in Arizona and I have a message for the ungrateful listeners. You guys get a hard time when you ask for donations. Shut up!

01:42 I wouldn't care if you guys were billionaires, you do a quality show twice a week for free and the least the listeners can do is quit complaining if they're not going to donate. Joshua Judd, Tempe, Arizona. And the kicker, you can add me to your count of vegan producers. Nice. Wow. An unexpected twist. Yeah, you know I don't get it personally why any vegan will be listening to us at all but okay. You know it is interesting we have we have multiple vegan listeners and I think somehow they appreciate us John. I'm not quite sure what it is. By the way for the vegans out there who typically are animal lovers Hank and Dagny the two pigeons this is now third generation

02:29 Crackpot Command Center pigeon family are ready to fly and they are all I've already got them on solid food as you know I feed them granola every morning and they're ready to go they're ready to fly they are flapping their wings. You know those pigeons would just as soon peck your eyes out as look at you. No that's not true. You know I have Gretchen and I've still got Who do I have? There's like three of them and now they just, you know, when I come out in the morning, literally they hop up and they're on the balcony and they're chattering with me. They're filling a handout like all pigeons do. Yeah, but it's only them. They don't allow any other pigeon to come over. You know, crows are more interesting than pigeons. Yes, they are. But pigeons... Did you know that crows, besides the fact that they can recognize human faces, they not only hold a grudge,

03:20 In other words, if you're going to kill a crow, you better kill it. Yeah, because he... They not only hold a grudge, but apparently they pass the information around to other crows in the murder. Oh, wouldn't surprise me. But I think the pigeons have similar communication skills. I really do. Anyway, so a big thanks to Joshua Judd. Breaks my heart. Well, it doesn't break my heart. It actually makes my heart glow that we've got a college kid here donating $165 and recognizing value for value. I love that. Really appreciate it. You know that you can put this on your resume I think you might actually be able to get extra credit for it at school. You should give it a shot Talk to the dealer. It's like he's going to ASU. That's for sure. Yeah So we have no associate executive producers. That was it

04:12 Yeah, well you don't get him to give me a piece of 165 is executive producer. He gave the most money There's no $200 one. Otherwise, they'd be the executive producer. So you can't have any associates We do have a what did we say? We would call this title John PR executive which doesn't sound no PR associate Oh PR so they can associate is that something that shows up on all on all regular credit rolls yes it's usually one of the if you have a public relations company you have some newbies or interns or people that just work there for part-time that's what their title would be for then they just do a spot work well but but I mean I want something that that is a real title that you know a credit title okay this is a good credit right because we have that we have our very first official you know of course we previously had

05:00 Our producer call up that Boston WTI, no Hartford WTIC radio station and slip in a noagenda show.com. That was before we actually started with the official credit. So PR associate for this program is Maynard who I believe actually works for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. And he doesn't want us using his last name then. No, no, no. He even sent the web page where this interview appears with Lord Lord and Lord Mayor Tate who I think is the affiliated with New South Wales and it is an excellent exercise in in how you got to do this stuff if you want to you know just like mind control was exercised upon us all the time and I can't believe that Mickey is skyping me from Los Angeles when she knows we're doing the show and

06:05 She's doing it because she hates me. No, she doesn't care about the show! Oh, well that's probably true. All your women have been that way. Hold on a second, let me just... Oh man, is Skype gonna crash on me? Please tell me no. Seems to be fine. No, no, no, I've got a spinning wheel of death right now. Are you still there? Yeah. Yeah? Can you hear me? Yeah, hold on a second. Hold on a second. I am live on the show! She should be listening to the show and not Skyping. Yeah, she said she was gonna listen to the show while she was in the gym. Ah, hold on a second John this pissed me off. Hey, baby. I'm live on the show. Hello? This sucks. Now of course Skype crashed. What do you expect? You can't do that. You can't you can't you just can't do you just can't do anything cool anymore. Now if I can jack good old Johnny boy back on back in. There we go.

07:12 Alright, you there? Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear you perfect. Oh man, it's like... It's like I specifically said... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep griping. It pisses me off and then Skype crashes. It's a spit-ass player that this thing even works at all. What? And I say this thing is just jerry-rigged. No, it's not jerry-rigged. Skype is shit. Skype is a piece of crap. It's deteriorating, I think. What is? Skype. Just the quality of the program itself. The Skype program, not ours. Yeah, yeah. Alright. Okay, so go back to your tome, I'm sorry. Well, I don't know where I ended up because I got cut off somewhere along the way. Well, you got cut off where I said, hold on, I'll be right back. So Maynard works for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation and he was interviewing Lord

08:12 Lord Tate of New South Wales and listen to how he slips in not one but two massive pieces of mind control and programming that will get more Australians to listen to this program. Are you ready, John? You gotta listen closely because he slips it in. It's beautiful. Go. Now with parks around Newcastle, and by the way I'm just talking to Mayor Tate for really no apparent reason. I've just met you many a times through my work at the ABC and I just thought I'd have a chat to you about being Lord Mayor with no real agenda. Actually, are you a bit of a no agenda show person or not? I know, look I certainly have an agenda, but I keep it. Did you hear it? That was fantastic! I love it because you know he's this guy, this obvious, you know, this obvious egomaniac, because they all are.

09:02 is like he's always gonna talk about my agenda I've got to get ready prepare my answer for above my agenda you know this is and he just he launches right into it but I'm gonna play that again now listen for the second piece which is even funnier a bit of a no agenda show person or not oh no look I certainly have an agenda but I keep it general at times because I My agenda is to fit in all of the competing needs and opinions. But occasionally there comes a time... Wait for it! ...when you've got to take a stand or express an opinion, which may not be popular or be seen to be popular at the time, but you know it's the right decision. And that's what part of the job is. When you meet people out and about, do you find that most people have an agenda at night or most people would have an agenda in the morning? No, look, people will...

09:51 How good is that? He needs a special award. That's why I'm asking you. Make it public. Because he suspected he would slip that no Jewish person in the morning. You have to make it, let's see, if you say public relations associate with commendation. Okay, hold on, let me just write that down. That's so inside baseball, it's hilarious. Yeah, but this is one of our biggest memes and someone's, you know, this works, this is a subliminal one. I really believe it works. So hey, I've heard that in the morning thing somewhere. Let's listen to that. The setup is beautiful and it's like, it could not be taken the more piss out of this guy by doing this, which I just love. Let me hear that last bit again.

10:47 part of the job is. When you meet people out and about do you find that most people have an agenda at night or most people would have an agenda in the morning? No, look, people will often tell you about specific things. And the question is so stupid! Do people have an agenda in the morning? Like well, let me tell you look this guy takes it like he just takes as a cool as a normal question It's funny One of the things that we're doing which is greeting each other with in the morning as opposed to good morning Yeah, I think could be a meme that people get you identify fellow travelers Oh, yes as you just passed by and running in the morning in the morning. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like our who is John Galt?

11:35 You're not buying that? No. Okay. Alright. Did you know that Ayn Rand was given the orders to write that book as part of a scheme to, as code by Philipp Rothschild when she was his mistress? Oh really? Are you talking about the book... Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Yeah, in fact I think the Rothschilds also ordered John Stossel to do a whole hour on the book. Ooh! He complied with their order. Let me just say one thing about this because you're always scoffing me about Atlas Shrugged. It's a fantastic book to read. I was talking about this book on this very show months, months before anyone else was bringing it up in mainstream television.

12:33 And this whole objectivism thing, I don't give a crap about that. It's a great story. It's very relatable to today, the world we live in. And there's lots of hot sex scenes in it. It's a good book. It's a long ass read. But it's a fantastic book and you just sit there and go, huh? Wow, this is like now. This is the Obama administration. Exactly like that. Everybody's burning up their coal mines and we're heading up to the hills in Denver. No. Just like now. It's exactly the same. We're not quite at that part in the book yet, but that is next. That was the funny thing. That's fine. That fits in with the clip I have, by the way. Okay.

13:20 Let's go, one of the big things, the big news item, and it borders on both real news and in the morning news. Is the announcement and then immediate appearance of Sarah Palin as the Fox News analyst. She even said she's, but what was interesting about her announcement is she says she's happy to join the talent and management of Fox News. I didn't hear that. Yeah, yeah, whoa interesting and the management. Well, maybe she's got something to do with the management now now everybody knows I'm Generally tend toward conservative politics and I do not think much of this woman even though I Early predicted that she would be picked before anybody else even knew she wasn't before they picked her because I had seen some bio of her at some point like early in the last year and

14:21 And I said, wow, this woman's got the kind of credentials that could be great for a national political. I never heard her speak if I had actually listened. You actually, I recall that you mentioned her. I was still in Gitmo Nation East. You actually mentioned her as a possible something or other. Yeah, it's a vice president. Yeah, but way before anyone had ever mentioned her. February, March of 2009. It's because I ran it, but it was a fluke. But as soon as I saw it on paper, and I think this is what happened with the McCain campaign, when you see her on paper, it's like, holy crap. You know, I mean, she just had every, it was just a check boxes one after the other. And I think that still, she still does look good on paper, except for now the fact that she couldn't even finish her governorship. You know, she's a quitter and yeah, that's what we want for president. I'm telling you it's Ayn Rand. She, she, she, it's Atlas Shrugged. She quit her job. So yeah, but she didn't move to Denver. She went to Fox kind of a switcheroo. So, um,

15:23 So I, you know, so there was a big special on 60 Minutes about her. Maybe we should play that clip first. and uh... it's a big special sixty minutes about her and uh... because this is a new book that came out that talks about all the campaign crap that went on including the fact that hillary jim pretty much thought she had in the bag in bit essentially coasted to usually they're doing the tortoise in the hair kind of thing which which book is this job i said no i'm not a good title it just alludes me to some issues you know who wrote it was the uh... there's a couple of journalists are high overall and then some other guy let me look it up because i saw the um it's like the big bad this is a big hot book this week oh well dude we gotta go read that book uh yeah i think if it's a yeah if it's a big hat if it's a big hot book then we've got to read it yeah okay go read it well and you know you know our mantra

16:25 Yeah, that's part of the service we provide to our listeners so they don't have to read. I did see one of the campaign managers for the McCain-Palin ticket. I think it was on CBS. Real creepy looking dude and he was just lambasting her like, oh yeah, yeah, she really ruined it. It all sucked because of her. It was really kind of weird. Hey, did you Twitter by the way that we're live? Yes, I did. Okay, thank you. just check somebody in the chat room should know the name of this book right off the top of the top of the uh off the top of their head oh you're not in the chat room yeah i am the ottoman game change yeah game change that's it game change by john heilman and mark halperin yes okay wait a minute is this the one that has uh harry reid uh

17:23 Calling Obama a light-skinned African-American without a Negro accent? Almost everything that we had over the last week or so comes from this book. Okay, gotcha. I mean all the media distraction you mean. It's a great, it is the media distraction and everybody who's you know, read, ah you know there, that there was a mention in the book that Sarah Palin didn't know the difference between North and South Korea or I guess it's hard to dig. No, no she didn't even know that there was a North or a South is what I heard. Couldn't figure out that you know why there was. I gotta go read this book now. All the right-wingers on Fox, oh, that's not even possible. She's a genius. She's a genius. Why would she be that way? Well, anyway, so they had this, they did a, Anderson Cooper, who's gay, and I don't like a gay reporter reporting on a woman who is anti-gay because there's an agenda on his part immediately, because he's not going to like her.

18:20 And so I figured this story would be slanted, but he kind of went out of his way not to. Although, by the way, he's not officially gay, but if you watch... You know, if you read some of the gay stuff, you'll find out he is. In fact, he's an inquirer. Gay? Who cares? I'm just saying, I care when a guy is reporting on someone who's openly anti-gay. Okay. That's why I care. I don't care otherwise. But I think he did a good job of being neutral, which I admired him for. Okay. This part of the story though anyway, so they brought up the fact that she was a dummy But this part of the story is the funny little segment here, which I have Which is the one? Schmitt whatever the guy's name is this campaign director on Sarah. Yeah, I think this is that scary, dude Yeah, he was the guy the bald guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's with it with a really I

19:15 He has like a plasticine type face? Yeah, that's it. Ooh. You know what's funny? Just this story is hilarious. Okay, you ready? Get it. The prep. So Schmidt and campaign manager Rick Davis sat in on the debate prep and Schmidt says Palin seemed overwhelmed. Rick Davis and I sat in the back of the room for a few minutes, suggested everybody take a break, asked everybody to leave the room and we had a conversation with her. What did you say to her? I said to her, I said, Governor, this doesn't seem to be going very well to me. And she assented, she agreed, she said, you know, I think that's right. They flew her to John McCain's ranch in Arizona. Schmidt said he took over the debate prep and simplified it. And Palin began doing well, except for one persistent problem. She kept confusing Joe Biden's name with Obama's, calling him O'Biden. She did. She did. Over and over again. It was a verbal tech and it was subconscious.

20:12 But when you had gone through the Tina Fey parodies, you certainly cannot be in a position where you walk out onto the stage and, you know, refer to him repeatedly on national television as Senator O'Biden. It would have just been, you know, devastating beyond words. So how'd you get around that? It was really, it was multiple people. And I wasn't one of them who all said at the same time, just say, can I call you Joe? Which he, which he did. That is so interesting because she corroborates that in her book. Yeah, well here's the thing, play the rest of this clip because we have the caller Joe thing and then apparently Carter's saying, oh Biden anyway but only once. But play the rest of it because I have a thought on this. Okay. Nice to meet you. Hey, can I call you Joe? So the, can I call you Joe, which people at the time thought was some sort of strategy, was really just a way for her to be able to say his name without messing it up. Correct.

21:04 Absolutely. But one O'Biden did slip out. Barack Obama and Senator O'Biden, you've said no to everything in trying to find a vaccine. Still, McCain's staffers were delighted. So anyway. Yeah, well, first, she does corroborate that in her book. She says that is the sole reason why she said Joe. But she says it was her own idea, so that's a little different. That's funny. Well, there's apparently a lot of evidence in this book that she's that way. It's my idea, which is another bad sign about her and I believe that probably wasn't her idea. But anyway, if I was going to take sides, because I don't think these guys have a really, the guys who wrote the book are biased in that regard, but the, because they were slamming everybody. Anyway,

21:55 Here's the thing that was kind of interesting to me is I remember the debate when she says can I call you Joe? The question I have is why did they have her mic up in the first place? She was mic'd up when they were bringing them out and they were doing a audience Normally you mic up the audience. So you have the applause the two people usually exchange some, you know pleasantry I mean like even when Letterman has a guest on he whispers to him. They don't have the mic up and They had her mic up to make it apparent that I think somebody was trying to embarrass her. But then it seemed like a strategy rather than just a kind of a dumb trick. And so nothing ever came of it. But I thought it was suspicious that the networks had her miked during when she asked about it. Yeah, I do recall thinking the exact same thing. So I'm not sure because I obviously

22:42 I don't recall if the mic was up on other debates and if there was any pre-chatter, but it does of course fit in line with the whole charade that are the debates. I mean, let's be honest, is it not painfully obvious that this is theatre? Oh yeah, no it's totally theater. Now, anyway, the whole Biden thing cracked me up. Now, the more interesting, or I don't know if it's even interesting, but we got to see Palin on the O'Reilly show where he claimed, I missed it, I only saw clips of it, but he claims to have been giving her the hard questions. But meanwhile, then she did Glenn Beck's show, I think it was either last night or the night before, and

23:27 And they're in some house someplace with a view, I have no idea where this place is, it's got to either, I don't know where this would be. It's like some sort of a set or a house or something and the view out the window, right? You know, you have Beck in a big comfy chair and Palin in a comfy chair sitting across from each other in some sort of a home and through the window, Just next to Beck is the Statue of Liberty at the in the distance. Yeah, because they're actually on Ellis Island So I'm looking at this going what is this? Of course, it's a set that's always a set and Beck is just she's getting so pompous It's getting ridiculous, but but he takes her kind of seriously, but he's he's interviewing her or have bringing her in as her for her consulting prowess and

24:16 And then kind of agreeing where he agrees and you know and then quite grilling her words and leading her He's like leading her the whole thing. It was the worst interview I've ever seen but Beck is of course he can't interview. He's a top 40 disc jockey and I quit watching him a couple weeks ago, and I would tune in from time to time It's 11 o'clock at night. We just kind of late when he had What's the was that he had Michael Buble on and it the whole for a whole hour? Oh And it was just like... Oh right, you told me. Yeah, you were really irked about that. Yeah, it would have been more exciting if he just blew him. You know, if I just watched gay porn between Beck and Buble, that would have been more exciting than this interview. Because he can't interview! He can't!

24:59 Yeah, and what's the point? It seems like a jock sniffer from, you know, the celebrity jock sniffer type with having this character on in the first place and having him on for an hour is ridiculous. Okay, so let's play the Beck. There's about three moments in here that it's just total eye rollers. Finger to go that route with the Fed. And it's a scary thing. It's one of those things that we're thankful for, Glenn, that you're bringing this to light. And I don't know anybody else. She's crediting back with starting the movement to audit the Fed. Right now she credits of course is Ron Paul Ron Paul. We all know never gets mentioned on any of these shows so She credits him and I did to her credit. I think she realized it was bullcrap and so she backs off just a notch and she kind of she watched the way she gets out of Painting yourself. You can see the thought balloon above her head go. Oh crap. What did I just say? This is yes, or back it up and let her say that again here to go that route

26:04 with the Fed. And it's a scary thing. It's one of those things that we're thankful for, Glenn, that you're bringing this to light. And I don't know anybody else who is, certainly nobody else who has a platform or the megaphone like you do. Oh, right. No one has a platform like the congressman from Texas. Take a break here. I just want to answer this question. Is universal health care constitutional? I don't believe that it is constitutional. She's a constitutional lawyer? Well, you know, this is a big harping point, of course. Can the government actually force you to buy any product or service? And the answer should be no. I mean, anyone who's read the Constitution understands what the question was. That's not the question. He says his universal health care. What if it was like, you know, they were giving you money? I mean, he said the question is, is universal health care constitutional? The Constitution doesn't cover one way or the other.

27:00 He doesn't say, can the government force you to buy stuff? He asks just a generalized question. It's out of the blue. And she, as he's asking her a constitutional question, she starts mouthing off about the 10th Amendment. Well, you know, this is how it goes with television personalities who actually don't know what they're doing. They're just fed questions. I can just hear the producer saying, alright, so you've got to get into the whole constitutional issue about this health care bill. And of course the producer fully well knows that there's something else behind it, but instead of really grokking to what the point is, he just blurts it out like that. It's a question about his paper!

27:46 I don't believe that it is constitutional. I believe it violates the 10th amendment. I believe it usurps states rights. I believe that it is aside from the unconstitutional aspect of this I think it is the most wrongheaded thing that Obama is trying to cram down our throat and I cannot believe I know that people are out about it, but I cannot believe that those on Capitol Hill are still not listening to the outrage of the people and still want to see this thing get crammed down our toilet. So you have to ask yourself why they're all throwing themselves on the altar of this. The bribes, the corruption, the coercion, the S- The bribes, the corruption, the coercion, you've really got to ask yourself what is going on here. CIU, you break your kneecaps kind of stuff. Do you even, I said a year ago, it was a year ago Christmas, a year from now you will not recognize your country.

28:48 Put yourself back a year ago last Christmas. What does he think he is, Barbara Walters? It gets even better. You won't recognize a year ago. He asked him if he was in a coma for one year, you wouldn't recognize your country. What the hell? They changed the name of my streets and painted the pavements red? And there's blood everywhere. Go into a coma. Wake up. Do you recognize your country? Already this change is creating this unrecognizable system that we're a part of. But yeah, especially with the health care. When incumbents are even willing to give up their power, their seat, when they're saying, hey, if it costs me my seat in commerce, it costs me my seat in commerce. I'm going to cram this thing through anyway. That's a scary, scary thing to consider.

29:39 If they're doing it on principles, it is if they're doing it on for bribes, money, power, position. I want to know what their principles are then. I want to know why they think that this is principled at all. Exactly right. Okay, back in just a second. Exactly right. You're right. You're exactly right. So the notion uses the word cram or cram down your throat about three, four or five times. Yeah. What is that all about? I think. suggestive there and there is some some side tracks that we could take from here that is quite interesting regarding the health bill itself as you know the Ted Kennedy's seat is open and I guess there's a there's a real fight going on now because

30:31 and you'll have to jump in here and help John, the Democrats need 60 votes, and they have exactly 60 if they keep all current seats, in order to have a filibuster blocking vote in the Senate. And perhaps for the benefit of people who are not familiar with our our governmental system such as Americans. Maybe you could explain exactly what a filibuster is and how that works. Well, filibuster, if I'm not mistaken, was invented by southern senators some years ago, like maybe in the 30s or maybe even before then. The idea was that you get a hold of the floor. If you're like, you say you got a bill you want to pass and somebody, the Democrats want to pass it and the Republicans don't. And but they're not going to get the votes. The Republicans are not going to win.

31:27 So they, and this by the way, I think, I think I don't look into it, but I think it was an invention of the Democrats to begin with. But so you get the whole of the floor and not for just a minute or two, you get, you get, you get the whole, you get to speak for as long as you want. And so you just start speaking forever and you just never stop. And when you get tired, you pass it on to somebody else. I like to have so-and-so from South Dakota to finish a thought and he goes, Oops, it was on our school for seven. Just keep talking and talking about you never Stop well, there's a cloture law that came that into play which is this which is stops the filibuster you can actually stop it and make everybody only speak for a limited amount of time and But you do pass that by rule you need 60 votes now the curious thing about this

32:16 According to the people I've been reading is that that 60 votes is arbitrary. They could change the rules to make it, you know, simple majority, but they won't do it. They want to 60 vote thing. I think the whole thing is something of a scam. Now, they need to keep the one extra guy, obviously, to keep 60. Because essentially what happens when you have 60, you can pass anything you want if you get all 60 people to agree with you. It's not that easy. Well, the thing that I found interesting is, and it's actually not an extra guy, it's an extra gal, Martha Coakley, who's intended to fill this seat for the great state of Massachusetts. And so they're kind of like running around saying, oh crap, we've got to secure this seat. So there's a fundraiser.

33:04 that is, that has been put together by the following host committee members of Pfizer, Merck, Amgen, Sanofi Aventis, Eli Lilly, Novartis, AstraZeneca, etc. The entire healthcare industry is coming to her aid. What does that tell you about who actually is writing this law? Yeah, no, I think that's what's giving the Republican a shot at this. And also the fact that I guess a reporter was not quite beat up but intimidated and thrown to the ground for trying to ask Oakley some questions. She apparently had some goon as her bodyguard and it's become kind of an issue, although it hasn't been getting as much traction. I haven't seen that at all.

33:57 It's on the YouTube, it's all over the place. And that's kind of weird. But mainly because I didn't get any traction. The media is obviously on this woman's side, they're going to try to ram her through. Right. I will say though that I was doing some investigation last night. I came across a documentary that I've put in the show notes along with all of the stories we talked about on no agenda no agenda show calm and I was blown away because this you know, I love to read stories about Tesla. I would love to read you know, we've talked about Orgone energy, you know, it's some of the scientific shit then I I kind of get excited about it and

34:41 I'm, let me just see where is my... While you're looking at that I want to mention that the first filibuster in US Senate history began on March 5th 1841 over the issue of the firing of Senate printers and lasted six days. That's gonna be hard for some of these guys. Okay the documentary is called... I think not. The documentary is called The Rise and Fall of a Scientific Genius. It is about Royal Raymond Reif. Have you ever heard of this gentleman? No, so Raymond Reif in the 20s developed Microscopes and there are still some around today He initially developed microscopes with which he could zoom in to such an incredible magnification level with live images not just like so

35:30 An electron microscope basically takes a snapshot. I think they may be a little bit more advanced than that today But he was doing stuff in the 20s and 30s that basically blows away today's technology and this documentary I think is good John. I know brother this already sounds bogus. This should be for the second half of the show No, I've got something else for that 1920s blows away today's technology. That's not even well when you well it gets even better he developed a Very simple concept first of all he was able to isolate a cancer virus There we go, which is Which of course kind of no one else has done since correct and and there's a reason for it And that's really what the documentary is about which is why I liked it so much so just briefly about his technology he discovered that a certain frequency of

36:25 Just like shattering a glass at a certain frequency which was in the kind of the 11 to 12 megahertz range if you beam that into the cell structure then these cancer cells would essentially shatter like glass and And he made these machines and you know there's there is Documented and and this is this you can actually look at John you'll love the the documentation of this because it kind of went away around 1938 1939 when anti-court quack laws were instituted exactly and this was and the anti-quack law was really focused on his invention and

37:01 because he was he was curing cancer sure but then they go on in this documentary to show how the AMA got involved and there was this they had a health czar his name eludes me for a moment who later was convicted of being corrupt and and of course it was the Rockefeller Institute that discredited all of this but when you see this documentary you will get so angry particularly if you know just for the concept that it might work If you have anyone you know, a family or friends who have had cancer or died of cancer, so I'm particularly emotionally involved in the topic, you just get really angry that this very simple technology... I have to see this. Yeah, it's in the show notes. And next week's documentary will be about the pill that you drop into a barrel of water turns into gasoline, right?

37:57 Well, John, you can be as negative as you want, but I like the documentary. They had tapes, they have audio tapes. that were recorded of Reif that resurfaced in 1999 and so there's a lot of interviews with him, him speaking, a lot of talk about at the time of course the National Cancer Research Institute was started, they were taking in $127 million and they had spent about $50,000. I've always suspected those guys of being phony-bloney anyway. So what's the guy's name again? Reif, R-I-F-E.

38:37 and what's his first name? Royal R-O-Y-A-L, it's three R's, Royal Raymond Reif. And the documentary is The Rise and Fall of a Scientific Genius. And there's a link in the show notes at noagendashow.com. Fantastic! I was riveted, not so much about the technology, which just sounds so completely logical, but about the depth, the documentation, all the historical news articles about his invention, Which really it was unpatentable because it was just a frequency generator It was you know This was part of the problem is everyone wanted to jump in and and make money off of this and of course this is how it always goes with great inventions, but there was no way to make money so they had to build these machines and hide the way the The waveforms were created and it's it's just fascinating. It's a fascinating story, but I I totally believe that

39:37 And I've always had this this suspicion is that the the health care industry is pretty much keeping us sick you know because it's a lot better to be treating people with With drugs than to actually cure them because you don't make any money when someone's cured You don't actually want to cure the problem because then you know there goes your revenue stream. Well your logics impeccable Thank you. So, okay, we'll look into that. Alright, so let's get back to... And there's a good article on Wikipedia about this character. Oh yeah, Wikipedia of course is so incredibly reliable. I'm not saying it's reliable, but I'm saying it's a good article.

40:18 Alright, and you can buy a rice machine for you know you know there's some guy got in there usually it's a pro character. I mean you know you So I mean you usually get You don't usually get a negative side to the story because there's always some like you I want you to know is The science is in my friend everybody agrees the science is in Yeah, all right. So you want to get back to Palin because you still have No, we're done. I'm done with Palin. I'm with Pam I just thought that the whole you know, this book, you know makes her look out there I I think it's interesting She came up with the idea of the Joe and they apparently they think that there's a team of experts Did she like blanks a lot? I mean she she quit the governor's office. I think she's a choker. I

41:14 You know, in the true sense of the word. And I don't think that she's very interesting as an analyst. She really doesn't really offer anything but... She's hot looking. That's not the point. Yeah, but when she's thinking, you know, her hotness kind of goes away because you can see her brain, you know, kind of overheating. You know John, now you're just being like every other douchebag. That's ridiculous to say. Why is everybody so jacked up about this woman? I don't get it. I'm not jacked up about her at all. It's not because she's hot looking. Yes, she looks great on television. She's got a big head with that hair and she looks great. That's always successful on television. She's pleasant to look at. She's interesting.

40:18 Alright, and you can buy a rice machine for you know you know there's some guy got in there usually it's a pro character. I mean you know you So I mean you usually get You don't usually get a negative side to the story because there's always some like you I want you to know is The science is in my friend everybody agrees the science is in Yeah, all right. So you want to get back to Palin because you still have No, we're done. I'm done with Palin. I'm with Pam I just thought that the whole you know, this book, you know makes her look out there I I think it's interesting She came up with the idea of the Joe and they apparently they think that there's a team of experts Did she like blanks a lot? I mean she she quit the governor's office. I think she's a choker. I

41:14 You know, in the true sense of the word. And I don't think that she's very interesting as an analyst. She really doesn't really offer anything but... She's hot looking. That's not the point. Yeah, but when she's thinking, you know, her hotness kind of goes away because you can see her brain, you know, kind of overheating. You know John, now you're just being like every other douchebag. That's ridiculous to say. Why is everybody so jacked up about this woman? I don't get it. I'm not jacked up about her at all. It's not because she's hot looking. Yes, she looks great on television. She's got a big head with that hair and she looks great. That's always successful on television. She's pleasant to look at. She's interesting.

41:56 How is she interesting? How can Glenn Beck's interesting? She's interesting to look at. She's like an info babe. She belongs on Fox. It's perfect entertainment. I'm not saying that, oh wow, she should be the president, but I will say she does have a tremendous amount of executive experience and she has done quite a bit of interesting good things for Alaska. And if she wasn't doing it, she at least was the figurehead of the people doing it. And I've read her book and I was... which you have not, you have not. And I'm going to read this book and compare them side by side. That's just interesting historical fact. I mean she was the first woman who came this close to being in the West Wing.

42:43 That's it that you can't deny that's not interesting besides the fact that it was great television She's not the first woman that got that close. I watched a man alright Democrat. What's her name? Not Albright? No, just Ferraro Ferraro Ferraro. Yeah, but I think Palin got closer. It felt closer. Yeah to you But don't be... it's unfair to say, oh, it was like her brain was gonna explode. That's bull. That's bull. Oh, I'm sorry I said something like that. It was just symbolic anyway. So I'll give... okay, let's go, let's turn this around. I'll give you credit. My son dug up this piece of information. Apparently, when you're watching a movie in 2D,

43:29 Your frontal lobes go crazy in analysis, but when you watch the movie in 3D, essentially your frontal lobes drop dead. Right, so thank you very much. There's a good article written by Jonah Lehrer. Send me the link. Who is a, well it's printed out so I don't know where the link is. You can leave it on his website. Fax me the paper, John. I will fax it to you. So, but anyway, there's a bunch of experiments done on this and it turns out that you kind of go into a zone when you're watching a 3D movie that's a little abnormal.

44:06 Well, so I guess this would be the two most emailed stories of the week. I got to a point where I almost sent out a tweet saying, okay, I've seen the story about people being depressed after watching Avatar. You don't need to email this. Yeah, that may be a slightly bogus story, but this one here is more realistic. Well, so television is well known. that people actually believe they are relaxed and watching the TV. Of course I'm talking about the 2D version, but your brain is actually working very, very hard putting all the bits and pieces together.

44:43 making the move from an interior shot to an exterior shot from a setup of a story to a sound bite it's a lot of work and I think about today's TV with quick cuts oh and how about all the stuff that's on the screen if you don't think that that news banner running at the bottom of the screen that you're not processing that information you are your brain is absolutely processing that and the whole trick of television and I've been in it all my life I've had these conversations, we all know how it works. Some of it is called the art of the tease to carry you through the commercials, but really your brain is processing. Sometimes if they're really good there's a setup and then boom the commercial hits and that's when the information is put into your head about going and buying something. We've pointed this out time and time again. Not only

45:37 Is it used for commercial purposes? But it's it's there's all kinds of subliminal messaging whenever we play a piece from NCSI or see or CSI where there's all this propaganda that I mean this was known in the 40s This is what Goebbels did. This is what the Nazis were were fantastic at is It's completely used to mind control you and it really works this and it's it's done for fun is done for profit and it's done for not such nice things and And when you go into a 3D mode. And I'd love to read this article. This is where I believe it's very dangerous and we hadn't thank you for giving me credit. I've said I will not see this movie Avatar, although I believe it doesn't affect you if you're over 25. I think under 20, just my unscientific poll has shown that. Well, you know, you have like pundits like Thom Hartmann coming out and saying this may be the greatest movie he's ever seen in his entire life.

46:37 That to me is like the giveaway that something's wrong. This guy is highly analytical. He's a left-wing, or left-winger to an extreme. He's a Tea Party of the Left type of guy. And to come out and say something like that, it was just, it was the thing that all the red flags went up. As soon as he said that, I just said, oh my God, there's something wrong here. I'm looking up some regulation here. So you know this this 3d technology of course and it was a fascinating discussion on cranky geeks the other day about the different types of the you know the shuttering glasses the polarized glasses etc but many many years ago I believe I'm gonna say this in the 60s in the 60s and 70s

47:32 Advertisers were putting subliminal messages in television and movie productions. It was the 50s and 60s. It was a scandal. It was a huge scandal because first of all it worked. So they put in one frame of a great big tall glass of Coca-Cola And you'd immediately go, crap, I'd love a Coca-Cola. And they were doing this all over the place. I mean, this is... I wonder if Mad Men will actually get to this in the series. I doubt they will because that would kind of give up... No, I guarantee they will. You think they will? I'll take a bet on that. So you were around then, John. Do you recall any of this? Any of these... Well, when I was a kid... Oh, give me a break, you bastard.

48:16 Do you recall any of these scandals? I remember the scandal. It was probably, I don't remember seeing it, at least I thought that, but I started looking for it. I actually can spot these things when I see them. I don't know what it is, but I really had very little trouble spotting the one frame. And I suppose I miss him once in a while, but I spotted the one frame of my first viewing of Fight Club. I saw all the little versions of the one guy, Brad Pitt, has a little one frame, he crops up.

48:52 as a little bitty person and he crops up bigger and then he crops up smaller and he shows up as one frame blips throughout the movie. And so if you watch on DVD you can stop it and analyze a little more but I didn't have any trouble seeing that but I remember one time And I think I was, I don't know when, this was at some point, for some reason I got to, it was either in a movie or something I had, I'm not sure. But I remember seeing a one frame word on the television. It just said something, but it was simple. It was like, you know, thirsty or, I or some just a word and it just showed up as one frame and I think there was it was going on for a while but I never my understanding of it looking back on the idea is that it wasn't as successful as they'd hoped. Well in 74 the government outlawed this practice.

49:45 And by then, popcorn sales had gone up by 60%, so it's not 100% effective, but it definitely works. I mean, your brain definitely sees processes a lot more. Well, there's other things similar to this that have gone on historically, and even in the 80s and 90s, I recall, it wasn't Muzak, but it was some company that would play music in your stores That would have a subliminal message sub as some frequency or that you couldn't quite hear but it was in the in the music telling you not to shoplift right and the in Fragrances are used as all kinds of subliminal as a mirage hotel actually Steve Wynn initiated this and

50:30 They did a whole series of studies on aromas and found that, I think it's banana oil, coconut oil, and a few other things. If you got a whiff of these, it relaxes you to the point where you felt like gambling more. And if you go from the outside garage down the escalator into the Mirage lobby, where the check-in is, where you check in if you're staying at the hotel, you will get a huge, and they've never stopped doing this, a huge shot of this really pleasant smell that, mmm, that's nice. Donate to No Agenda show. It's like a piccolata smell or something. And they've also discovered, by the way, that this smell... Donate money to No Agenda. Sorry? I didn't say anything. Oh.

51:14 They also found that the Cinnabon thing is a big deal that that smell is extremely attractive. It's also sexy. Yeah, it is. I get wood whenever I hear that. I get wood when I smell Cinnabon. And also it makes people want to buy more and there's a bunch of this stuff going on and you try to be as aware of it as you can. My approach to all this is just go in there with no money. And then so I'm convinced that this is taking place. I'm sure that there's absolutely no you know and and the whole This all 2d television is based on flicker rate and frequencies and you can put stuff in and just a micro at one frame and I also I see a lot of it too and

52:06 Or particularly Fox has I'm not on the Fox News, but they have this one like transition bumper And it has like a million words on it It's all kinds of you know words that are training your brain to tell you that Fox is great and you got to keep watching and right which is that would do what Stephen Colbert parodies on his opening of his show where he has all the words all over the place and then he had a real quick shot of the, in fact you have to actually stop the tape just to see it half the time. A quick word when he comes up on the screen and says something like, I remember one, Lincolnesque.

52:44 You know, just some stupid word that's just right near him and it disappears. It's just a hell. It's a very hilarious Opening the Colbert show. So I don't know if the if the CNN story is bogus or not So for those of you who haven't seen it, it's in the show notes at noagendashow.com. But what I found kind of funny is the way CNN spun it is, well, you know, so in the forums people are saying they're feeling really down, the real world isn't as beautiful as Pandora is. And apparently the fix to all of this is to make sure you look at everything

53:23 Avatar related and get the 3d games kids Go, but so yeah, and I'll just say it again I mean if you're making a movie that's costing you three four hundred million dollars to make and I'm let's say I'm putting up the dough I'll be like hey Cameron dude. Here's what you're gonna Do in all that flashy crap you're doing in the left in the left eye you're gonna put in tell everyone avatar is great You're gonna put that in there and watch it work. I And it is without a doubt, it may be the top grossing movie of all time. Yeah, I think they're up to 1.4 billion as we speak. So, um...

54:00 Yeah, I'd say I guess I'll put in the show notes again the Zen TV experiment if you really want to know what television does to you You know, I think it would be interesting if somebody could just find something in the Somebody's gonna have to go do frame by frame on this movie. Well, don't take it out now. They'll take it out. No, they'll probably take it out But you can go frame by frame on lots of stuff. I guarantee you it's happening on television I really do believe that they're doing some of that right now. It's just it makes so much sense Who's you know, who's really watching that who even knows about this this regulation? Nobody knows that. Okay, 70s is long forgotten. Ask your kid. He would like what there's a law against that you can't do that. Hey, we don't know that There's absolutely no knowledge of this stuff

54:46 So yeah, I think that's I think it's a huge mind control experiment and the whole push towards 3d in general is just frightening Well, it's not gonna get anywhere. It never does but it is getting butts into theater seats and And just this whole this whole hype about avatar. I mean, it's a movie. Come on. It's a movie the greatest film I've ever seen So anyway, it's just a movie so talking about brainwashing so I have a one of our occasional Drug commercials. Oh, no But this one is this one is so interesting for a number of reasons including a little piece of a little tidbit in there that I Actually only when I was dubbing it that I'd pick it up because I mean, you know You can't you just zone out when during these ads no no John you're not

55:41 You are not zoning out my friend you think you are? This is for shantix. This is two minutes. They can't take some two minutes to do this ad because of all the bad aspects to it. My son did some research on this drug and it turns out to be the most complained about drug in terms of side effects of anything ever put to, given to the public. And the FAA has banned its use amongst air traffic controllers because of the mania that it often causes. Yeah, I don't want my air traffic controllers taking any drugs. Thank you very much.

56:16 So this is a drug that keeps you from, it's like, you know, I'm surprised you're not, I guarantee they're going to repackage this as a vaccine because this is the drug that keeps you from smoking. But not because it satisfies your smoking. It does something crazy to your brain. Wait a minute, is this to stop smoking? Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna have to guinea pig this. You should, but we have to expect you to go completely insane. It's almost like a psychedelic, I guess. Who says I'm not on it already? I think there's a better way to bring that line. Okay. I'm going to open my brain and prepare to be indoctrinated. I need this drug. My name is Robin. I am a wife. I am a mom. And I was a pack of days. Wait, is she hot looking?

57:03 You might think so. Yeah. My name is Robin. I am a wife. I am a mom, and I was a pack a day smoker for 25 years. I do remember sitting down with my boys, but I'm like, promise, Mommy, you'll never, ever pick up a cigarette. And Brian looked at me at eight years old and said, promise me you'll quit. I had to quit. My doctor gave me a prescription for Chantix, a medication I could take and still smoke while it built up in my system. Chantix is a non-nicotine pill. In studies, 44% of Chantix users were quit during weeks 9 to 12 of treatment compared to 18% on sugar pill. It's proven to reduce the urge to smoke. Seeing how Chantix worked, I wasn't so afraid to try quitting again. Talk to your doctor about Chantix and a support plan that's right for you.

57:56 Some people have had changes in behavior, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping Chantix. If you notice agitation, hostility, depression or changes in behavior, thinking or mood that are not typical for you or if you develop suicidal thoughts or actions, stop taking Chantix and call your doctor right away. Talk to your doctor about any history of depression or other mental health problems, which can get worse while taking Chantix. Some people can have allergic or serious skin reactions to Chantix, some of which can be life-threatening. If you notice swelling of face, mouth, throat, or a rash, stop taking Chantix and see your doctor right away. Tell your doctor which medicines you're taking as they may work differently when you quit smoking. Chantix dosing may be different if you have kidney problems. The most common side effect is nausea.

58:36 Patients also reported trouble sleeping and vivid, unusual or strange dreams. Until you know how Chantix may affect you, use caution when driving or operating machinery. Chantix should not be taken with other quit smoking products. I feel so relaxed. My Benjamin, he helped me with the countdown. Ben, how many days has it been? Five days mom, ten days mom. I think after thirty days he got tired of counting. Talk to your doctor to find out if prescription Chantix is right for you. Wow, I feel so relaxed. Now you notice the commercial had the music that we were relaxing as you noticed but it also had, this was one of the few commercials, of course it was two minutes, they had two minutes to give all the bad things but they did a wrap around.

59:20 Did a rap around the woman, spoke about my son, he wanted me to quit so I had to because I'm a good mom which is a piece of propaganda. And at the end... They wrapped it with my son's happy, we have to count me down and blah, blah, blah. So they had a bunch of happy talk at the end too. So they put all the miserable stuff in the middle instead of just at the end. You know, typical commercial runs 15 seconds of sales pitch, 45 seconds or whatever of bad stuff that can happen to you. Now, a couple of things in the bad stuff list. What the heck is a life-threatening skin rash? Well, no, I think that's skin cancer is what I immediately thought of. So you get melanoma from taking this drug? Is that what you're thinking? Yeah, it's awesome, dude. I like the crazy dreams. That's what I want. Yeah, it'll be fun to see you on this stuff. So, here's the thing.

1:00:15 They slipped us in at the beginning. I don't know if they were required to or not, but I thought it was fascinating. And then of course they blew by with all the weird stuff. 44, only 44, you know, this is a dangerous drug, only 44% of the youth. Actually are successful. But 18% are successful just taking a sugar pill. I know. I think I'm going to take both to give myself a 72% chance. Maybe 62 by the way. 62. It's already working! This stuff is great. You know what I noticed? And that's why I asked is she hot? Because she sounds just like Minnow Soprano.

1:00:58 You'll probably see the commercial, you can tell me. No, but I mean she has that kind of New Jersey, almost bordering on Brooklyn kind of accent that is kind of a no-nonsense, very Soprano-esque. Very Soprano-esque. That's what caught me immediately. I think it was maybe designed with that in mind, the commercial. I'm sure this is an actress, it's not anyone who actually quit smoking. Yeah, but the accent is not by accident. This stuff is always intentional. Yeah, I mean that accent is such a defined, you know, and maybe it's tying into some of the reality shows.

1:01:40 And perhaps it's tying into an Italian-American market. I mean, it's not by accident. Whatever it is, that was intentional and it still worked for me. I'm like, yeah, Chantix, yes. Oh, Mommy, don't smoke a cigarette. Good stuff, John. You're my pusher. You're my pusher, man. Gets me on the drugs. Can I get this on a doctor's prescription or over the counter? Yeah, doctor's prescription of course, but the thing that's funny is they always say see your doctor immediately. Has anyone ever just can't see a doctor immediately anymore? Yeah, right. I guess maybe if you live in the middle of nowhere, Iowa, and the doctor lives next door. Will our Mevio healthcare plan cover this? Oh yeah, probably. Really? Yeah, well you're an addicted smoker. Yeah, hell yeah.

1:02:31 If you get your doctor to sign off on it, you have to ask your doctor if it's right for you. But I think the good thing about this drug is you can smoke while you're using it. Yeah, I know. Until it builds up to some horrible chemical in the brain. Correction, it's Meadow Soprano, not Minnow. Meadow Soprano. Also, what was the girl from My Cousin Vinny? Marissa Tomei? Yeah, Marissa Tomei. She sounded like that. Yeah, well Marissa told me is quite that she says a great voice and if she told me to take a drug I'd be like hey, baby right on Let me put one in right now. I'm good to go Loving that all right speaking of drugs then for for a moment John because if the number one most emailed story was about avatar the number two most emailed story of the week of course was about

1:03:29 And I actually had this on the list for Sunday, for this last Sunday, we didn't even get to it. Is the study now that shows that Monsanto products, i.e. mainly their corn, is going to eat your organs inside of your body. So yeah, I know I was following this story too. I mean I this study came out It's kind of interesting because Monsanto usually quashes these things and yeah, well, you know, it makes some sense to me that I have a theory by the way, but go ahead. Well, okay. I'll miss Simon before I get to my tomes, which I actually have printed out discussing Monsanto in the 90s I

1:04:17 I don't know, I forgot what I was going to say. The new corn that they've got out has got all kinds of, they took all the characteristics of all the gene things that they did and put it into one new batch of corn. And if it would screw up your organs or something since it kills bugs, I mean it seems possible. Okay, so let me just lay down some of the facts here. So this is from... The research I have is the International Journal of Biological Sciences. I think this is the origin of the report. Approximately 60 different biochemical parameters were classified per organ, measured in serum, blah, blah. GM maize, that's corn, fed rats were compared first to their respective isogenic or parental non-GM equivalent control groups. And essentially, three GMOs, genetically modified organisms, have side effects that were eating up these lab rats

1:05:17 organs internally and they got really sick within like 90 days. And so I too was going like, well this is really interesting. The story's catching on. We already know that Monsanto is company of the year, because they're so awesome. And then I also found a story, and this is what tipped me off, it's like okay, now something's really amiss. Because NPR, the national treasure, John, had a story about Monsanto on All Things Considered. And so this is, of course, not coincidental, but the story is not about the GMOs killing rats, and of course our DNA and our makeup, rats are used because they're rather similar. Am I correct in that assumption? Yeah, well, they react similarly to certain things, like things that poison us poison rats and back and forth. And I think I found what's going on here.

1:06:16 So you already mentioned that Monsanto is coming out with their Roundup Ready 2 yield. And the reason they're doing this is because the patent for their corn expires in two years. So they're ramping it up now, and I believe what what the what the game plan is and we can track this and by the way We've been right about this shit being bad for you. I mean everyone's saying oh you guys called it you're what do you think the jingle is? Totally nuts here, I got some crazy stories coming up, but I'm not totally nuts I believe that they are going to discredit this and then come out with absolutely

1:06:57 2.0 new and improved this is the stuff you really want because it's expiring and anyone will be able to use this old crap that kills you so now they're coming out with a new crap that is really gonna do you in And this whole story on NPR is about, actually it's about the farmers who can't replant the seeds and the licensing agreements. But Roundup Ready 2 Yield, it used the gene as the original, just placed in a different spot in the genome. It boosts the yield. And I think soon you'll see that we have a new life-saving genetically modified corn seed

1:07:38 that will be drought resistant and it'll fix it's kind of like a Microsoft product it's like Vista it's Monsanto's Vista is what they're coming out with or Windows 7 whichever one you choose that I think is what is happening and that's why they're allowing that would be the fractal so I always like this is a negative article in NPR or positive yeah it's kind of in the middle it's just a factual But the thing that jumped out at me is that their patent for Roundup Ready is expiring in 2014. And we know that this is the big problem with all the drug companies because all of their good drugs, and boy they're rocking, all the good drugs either have or are expiring. And so they've got to come up with new pipelines. That's why this whole vaccine thing is in play.

1:08:34 So there's a couple articles, I gotta get to these articles, organicconsumers.org. This came out in November 1996, an article talking about Monsanto back then. And it turns out that when Monsanto began this process of turning from a chemical company to a seed company, there were early, you know, a couple of, let me just read this. Three of Monsanto, they talked about how Mother Nature's been preventing both Monsanto and Sibagaigi, who was the other big shot in the mid-90s. Surya Monsanto's bioengineered marvels are in the process of going bust. The company's artificial bovine growth hormone, introduced in February 1994, has not lived up to its promise. Although it does increase milk production, the resultant health problems in cattle outweigh the benefits from the extra milk produced, as critics warn they would.

1:09:20 In April, Businessweek reported that Wall Street insiders were predicting that RBGH would be pulled off the market by the end of the year. By the way, if you haven't noticed, all your milk says, oh, it does not contain RBGH. They all say it now because I don't think it, from the sounds of it, nobody except, Somebody in Mexico is even using this stuff. So this is like a bogus sales pitch is all that you're the one milk companies better than the others Anyway, so the RGB edge was a dog that says furthermore pew the pure food campaign signed a letter by ten scientists who have done our BGH research for Monsanto that reveals a 55% drop in sales and

1:09:59 of the wonder drug between February 95 and February 96. So that drug is dead. After two years in stores, the Flavor Saver Tomato is now off the market, which is another Monsanto product. Headed for the dumpster, the tomato, which was developed by a company in which Monsanto has half a stake, had been genetically engineered to taste like a homegrown tomato, which is a positive thing. Yet sturdy enough to ship across the country. In other words, it was why don't they make the tomato smell like Cinnabon? The current grocery store tomato lost its taste in the process of being bred for ease of packing and shipping and they say in parents

1:10:37 The Flavors Savers problem is that it was developed in California and won't grow well in Florida, sandy soils and a different climate. So that's a dog. Now, this is all big, remember, this is all in the mid-90s. Now Monsanto's genetically engineered cotton, Bollgard, is proving a failure. The cotton, which accounts for 13% of the nation's annual, by the way, using these genetically engineered things for things like cotton that we don't have to eat, doesn't It doesn't bother me so much. Oh no, I disagree because you're wearing that. I disagree. You're wearing cotton on your back, dude. This is in touch with your skin. I'm against that too. That could be very, very bad. Are you kidding me? I wear silk. It's been altered to produce a substance that acts as a natural pesticide to three insects that eat cotton, but Bollgard cotton is not working as planned.

1:11:23 So this has been going on. So they just basically throwing stuff up against the wall that fails, it fails. And then when they came up with the Roundup Ready products, that's when this company started to take hold as a player. But now if this stuff is just producing a toxic product, I don't know what Monsanto is going to do next for an encore because they, you know, I think they've They've shot themselves in the foot so many times from a public relations standpoint and I don't know how many people realize that that bovine growth stuff's not even used much anymore. I think you're foolish to think that anyone cares, John. We're way too busy talking about Avatar.

1:12:02 Yeah, seriously. I mean, it's like no one gives a crap. No one thinks about what's in their food. No one thinks this is the scam that is obviously in place. It's the health care industry. These guys make you sick. The health care industry keeps you sick. Ready for something. I got an anecdote then. So my wife's at the store and she watches this person check out in front of her and racks. The person racked up a two hundred forty dollar bill and everything she bought was Hot Pockets. That's the breakfast of champions right there. $240 worth of Hot Pockets. Yeah, sure. Kids love them.

1:12:48 And it's so good for them. All right, let me let me lay a couple other things on you cuz I'm getting bored of this cuz you know We're so over Monsanto. It's like duh. All right, you know, in fact, maybe we should do this real quick Just the third most most emailed story of the week Oh Gee and of course we talked about this this Wolfgang guy who's in European Parliament who was gonna bring this huge Well, it's not a lawsuit, but he was bringing this before Parliament and now even the World Health Organization is saying, hey, you know what? We've got to review this. My gosh, it looks like the

1:13:25 It looks like the pharmaceutical industries hype this swine flu to sell medicine to people and it wasn't a pandemic Oh my goodness while they are completely complicit So this is this is the the wool that's being the genetically modified wool that's being pulled over everyone's eyes blaming the pharmaceutical companies and just to just to review how it works they had all the contracts in place and All that was needed was for the World Health Organization, the very same organization that is now going to investigate itself, I love that, to say, hey, it's a pandemic. They changed the rules to define what a pandemic is. Boom, the pandemic hits. Boom, all the contracts are executed. And now countries around the world are sitting with billions of dollars worth of H1N1 vaccine, which they cannot get rid of.

1:14:19 It's so, you know, done over and out. The scam, and how many people died in total, John? Like 5,000? I don't even think it was, I don't know, it wasn't a lot. In the United States, compared to a normal flu, it was like... Yeah, which is 20 to 30,000. You know, and so, you know, and yeah, maybe we'll get, I don't think we'll get the second wave now because basically... No, they've already predicted a third wave's coming. Haven't you seen those stories? No, but it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen because this is the Hail Mary. This is like, I'll blame those guys. No one, you know, well, everyone will just roll their eyes and go, well, thank God we're reforming health care, so we'll show those guys.

1:14:55 Which of course is... The pharmaceutical companies. So here's the thing I want to remind people about. Sounds like you need some chanting. I need a shot of whiskey. that we spotted this the day it hit the news. You hit as soon as that story hit. I mean, this was way before anything happened. You spotted it immediately. Of course, you see everything is crazy, but you nailed it. And we have to remind people that because we played the tapes of some some some audio about this. The French of all the countries in Europe are the only ones that said this is a bunch of it was a crap and they told their people not to get the shot. Of course.

1:15:41 But now the British are taking credit for being on top of it. The British who put in call centers at tremendous cost and staffed it with people who had no knowledge whatsoever, all you do is call up and go, and they'd say, OK, stay right where you are. Don't go outside. We're going to send over a flu buddy and you're going to get some meds right away. You're set. We're getting you some meds. And, you know, can people it's so hard for people to believe the enormity of the scam and the lie. Let's just say that Donald Rumsfeld, of course, has a financial interest in the company that makes the antivirals that were... What's the name of it again, John?

1:16:26 The Tamiflu? Yeah, Tamiflu, which was immediately prescribed to anyone coming down with the symptoms. I know it's hard to believe that, you know, and, you know, that people would actually do this for financial gain, but please. Coincidence? I think not! There really is no such thing as coincidence. It was a setup from the beginning. I certainly partially subscribe to the they want to kill everybody who knows what they put in the vaccines I mean, I really don't know so there could be some some other group about the adjuvants right away and Regarding the regarding the adjuvants by the way that was kind of interesting. There was a story here about sharks and that Here it is the massive production of

1:17:18 of the vaccine for H1N1 is posing a direct threat. to various species of deep water sharks. Oh really? Yes, according to Simply Green Online, a caveat, a South African website focusing on green news and information, the sharks are threatened because squalene is of course not in the United States but in the rest of the Gitmo Nation, a key component of the H1N1 vaccine, and that comes from shark liver. That's the best source of squalene. I just thought that was interesting that that news would would come out so You just got to follow the money I think I believe that over the past I'm gonna say 20 years and you see this in the financial industry, you know, though and you know now we have

1:18:16 Timmy, little Timmy Geithner is now basically going to have to, I guess he's going to testify, but who knows? There's such arrogance. That people in power set things up for their own financial. It's typically financial gain or some form of power, but you know in many cases money is power and they manipulate systems and markets and they're all you know connected with government and And they get away with it and and we just kind of sit back and go home and And it happens over and over and over again. And I can't wait for people to really start reading this as the pharmaceutical companies are blamed for the financial scam because seriously, it's billions of dollars that your tax dollars, $10 billion of American money was set aside to buy, to produce and to distribute H1N1 vaccine and no one else is going to take it.

1:19:15 And how do you feel now? You got set up, but it wasn't by the pharma companies. And of course, media did it. Oh, media is very complicit. Yeah, duh. That's the whole system. That's the whole idea. Just look at the people who are sitting in the White House and look at the connections with the companies like GE and NBC and who's doing the reporting and who owns these companies. That's all you have to do. Of course you could just Watch the show just yeah, so we do a little plug here cuz we're like way over time for a plug So we're we did a really crappy job of getting any money in this since last Sunday and I had to Deconstruct the possibilities and the only thing I could come up with was the art I

1:20:06 You bastard. Wait a minute. First of all, we both said after last week's show, because there is a post chatter that we do that is not streamed and never will be. Well, depends on how much you pay us. And I think we both said, hey, we were like really, we were really pretty laid back on the donations drive. And there you go. I think the result is that. We were just like, hey, you know, we got some money and there was no urgency and then people like switch right off, don't care. Boom, no donations. But you think it was the art? The art was so dreadful. We used to have, we have a couple of guys that give us art and we don't credit them enough and so they have stopped giving us art. Randy Asher who does the really cool stuff and Paul T who does the conceptual stuff. We even forgot about a guy who used to do those crazy cartoons of us called David Cost

1:21:00 And he hasn't done anything for us for six months because we don't give many credits in the show notes and I don't blame him. And even Chris Engler tries to contribute with photos. We have four people that we don't give any credit to and so we do our own art once in a while and then when we do one that's this unbelievably bad, which is the one you did. It was like a Hail Mary. I mean, what was I gonna do? So there's art backed up in the archive that no there's not look if anytime you want to produce the whole friggin show you let me know okay, you can't where's the CD with all the episodes on it? I'm just saying that the art is all the premiums. You think that was good. That's fine. No, I'm not saying it was good. I'm saying it was it was what I could do. Well, I think that we our problem is that we need to get our artists back. Yeah, well we do.

1:21:47 I just need to chill out for a while. What was that? I just needed some, I need to go get some fluoride. So I can use some. So let's give our call outs to our people who gave us some money anyway. Yes. Including a good old Joshua Judd in Tampa who gave us $165 with a note. A college student. A college student. College student. He becomes executive producer. So he's got a future ahead of him. Then we had a bunch of, not a bunch, we had one, two, three,

1:22:23 for five people who gave us 50 bucks. Gabriel Harper in Linthicum, Maryland, Benjamin Salin in Dover, Delaware, Chris Ruddy, who just wasn't here, his name he says, Jackson Heights, New York, and then Lawrence Froncek, which actually gave us last week, I just have to, I didn't pronounce his name correctly, it's Fronsek. and Otto Gelderman from Amsterdam who wants to thank you for talking to him last time you were in Amsterdam. You, I guess, met him somewhere and chatted. And... I'm not above that. I'm not above talking to people. And then lastly, somebody gave us $51.04 which amounts to $2.552 for each of us which is a two palindromes. And he says his name came from Big Dick O.

1:23:14 Toronto and you don't pronounce the second T in Toronto's Toronto And he told us to buy hookers and blow and blah blah the same old gag excellent excellent Thank you, and he said we should stop calling it donation because maybe people think they're giving to a charity Which it turns out that we're gonna become one very shortly and then finally last night on the street with a paper cup in the Northampton guy Gary Turner gave us a hundred and he's in the UK. That's it. I That is it? Yeah. Geez, Louise. I don't care how much of a financial crisis is going on in the world, and it is getting bad. And it's obviously underreported. It's kind of funny, I've installed the new CNBC app on my phone and it does push alerts. And like four or five times a day it's like, great news! It's like everything's up! Everything's fantastic! It's really funny to watch.

1:24:15 But at minimum, and I do have a concept here John and this will lead us right into the next topic. At minimum we'd like you to get on one of these monthly programs. And I think what we're doing wrong John is we are not taking a big clue from things that we are learning ourselves on this program, particularly about numerology. So we have our $5 a month donation program, which at the rate we're going in about 2019 will be a solid base for us to keep on rocking. We have and I will be talking like that old man. Yeah. Hey, well the number three is is very magical We discussed this the other the other day where we had there was a whole laundry list of how many? Al-qaeda or Taliban insurgents were killed in an attack and it's always 30 or 33 and

1:25:07 It's just the number three is really big and I was reminded about this by one of our producer listeners AJ who says Adam I'm a graduating business student and was just in my presenting just in presenting my training class And learned about the power of three The theory states that people are much more likely to remember things when presented in a group related to or including the number three they use the number 30 because three is too little a number to scare us so fear slave you should be feeling fear and then out comes a request from our president

1:25:43 The request is not that he wants 708 billion dollars next year in the budget for war. No, he asked for an additional 33 billion dollars to fight unpopular wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm like, wow, this number three is really something. So I propose that we change our monthly donation number to 30. Just make it 30. And it's a big number. It's a lot of money for most people to donate, particularly on a subscription basis, but I think we should give it a shot because everyone seems to be controlled into that three number. Three is too low, obviously.

1:26:23 Yeah, because PayPal takes all the money. Okay, well, let's experiment with it and see what happens. $30 a month. This is a lot less than people are going to be paying for a PBS subscription. And it's going to be, you know, typically what you're paying. Now, they're talking about parking meter fees. Berkeley's just put up, get this. Berkeley's just put up a new system in the northern part of Solano Avenue where they have one of those machines that you have to put your money in and grab a little receipt and put it on the dashboard. And the minimum for parking, now you can't run, you know, put in for five minutes, run in and get something and run out. The minimum you can buy is 30 minutes. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Say no more. We need to do three shows.

1:27:11 For that, you must get on the monthly program for $30. The science is in. It's very clear what we need to do. All right. All right, we'll do three shows a week once we get 1,000 people to give us $3 a month. Oh, wouldn't that be amazing? I mean, then we actually would have like... I could do it for that. I don't need a lot. I just need some silk. Some silk underwear like John apparently is wearing. Um, anyway, govorak.org slash NA, channel govorak.com slash NA noagendashow, noagendashow.com, click on the links there and you can help us out, especially after this catastrophic week. Yeah, this is, this is, actually this is the worst ever since we started asking for money. Yeah, it is. It's absolutely the worst we've ever done.

1:28:08 And I've been I've actually been putting in some extra time on the no agenda stream I put new episodes up of obviously the minute I've uploaded this show it goes on to the stream I I put up the Dvorak Horowitz unplugged, which I always enjoy listening to, the Gitmo Nation roundtable. I've been putting some tech fives up there and I'm preparing to do the return of the daily source code. This of course is not very motivating and I'm hoping it's just an anomaly. But will you please, John? And it could actually be the art.

1:28:46 It could be and we should have a big three on the art 30 I mean not three but 30. Oh, and maybe one of them could draw our team artists to reappear You know what the big problem is of course now we're gonna get four pieces of artwork And then I have to choose and it's like it's horrible because then unlike at least one can you guys coordinate amongst each other? I'll tell you what I got all their emails I'm gonna send them a note and they're gonna have to coordinate the art and it should be in 3d Randy'll send something in and he has a certain style and Yeah, I'll T. O. Send something else in and I don't like the Randy when you like the Paul when you're producing the show you run the Paul piece and then the next week, you know, we always try to rotate back and forth and back and forth with these people who follow the show and look at the Album art didn't realize that we've got some guys who are extremely a creative. No, it's beautiful stuff And so then once in a while we have to kind of throw one together ourselves

1:29:43 And because you know nothing shows up, and I don't think you know and these guys aren't working for money So they don't they're not under no obligation. It's all a free will thing everybody in fact who gives us money It's under their own free will. Let me ask you a question. I mean I'm happy of I'm happy to pay these guys for the art I mean we're getting money in this this would be a very valid production expense. I'm happy to pay him for it. I Maybe that's what we're doing wrong. Well, once we get it once we get to the point where you can actually budget I don't mind doing that either. Yeah, because it's a valuable service. I'm happy to pay for it. So what can I trust you to coordinate the art? I mean, this is the problem is like, excuse me. Ah, there he goes. Hey, look away. I'm holding my fork. Would you mind coordinating this with these guys and do not send him a note? We'll pay him. Let's pay them. John, let's just pay them.

1:30:37 And by the way, yeah, but the problem is then we still have this competitive thing where they're going to have to coordinate who gets paid because you know, if they both send us good art, I mean, one gets paid, the other two don't, and then we use it. We'll work it out some so it works out for everybody's benefit. But meanwhile somebody sent us some t-shirts from Norway and I lost track of the guy in my inbox I need to get ahold of him again because somebody took one of the posters one of the art pieces which is a really good one and put on a shirt and it's just an absolutely fantastic shirt, but I got to figure out who did this so Like you know we could also do is you could just put all the artwork we get in if it's if it's decent into the show notes We could just put it all in

1:31:17 Cuz it's all good. I mean, I hate when someone does it like a beautiful job, and then we don't use it I mean, that's ridiculous. I'd rather just put it all in there. Well, I think instead of in the show notes, we should put up a gallery. Sounds like more work. It's just a sub page on a web page. I mean most of these things can be very easily done with a good audience. But you want to have props. You want it to travel along with the show. You want people to see it. I mean that's the whole point of making art. Okay, well whatever. Alright, let's move on. How about both? Yeah, okay, both, fine. DeVore.org slash NA. But you know what? I'm not very motivated after hearing that we got like, you know, 300 bucks. Yeah, well you know, I don't blame you.

1:31:56 So what's your... And I noticed you didn't send me my half this month. What's up? It hasn't gotten to the trigger point yet. Yeah, but I need some money. Send me some money. I'll send you some money. Please, send me some money. So the... Can I talk to him? By the way, the $5 donation slipped too. What, people cancel? We're running at a certain rate, like five or six people a day, and it would cut right in half right after that Sunday show. Now do you think some of these subscriptions ran out after the first of the year where they were an annual subscription or does that keep going? How does PayPal do that? Most people, the number of people that took out an annual subscription

1:32:35 very few. The new number is 30. It's just not 30. Take away the 5 and just make it 30 because that will work. All right, we'll see. Yeah, what else can we do? I'm out of ideas. So, okay. All right, so now let me talk about Yemen for a moment. because we've gotten away from the the crotch bomber and the one thing we really I don't think define perfectly although we have a lot of different theories is what exactly is going on in Yemen. Why exactly is it so important to be in there? We've talked about the contracts that came due for the Yemen liquid natural gas company. Of course everyone's got their hand in that. John you had a pretty good theory about sideways drilling into Saudi Arabia.

1:33:25 Of course just the the general military industrial complex Just with more ways to make money. I mean there's a whole bunch of different of different theories, but I think I finally figured it out Of course this is all happening if you look at Somalia, and you look at Yemen so right there We have the Gulf of Aden right yeah, okay for those of you who are oblivious to what the world looks like fire up Google Earth and Currently there are hundreds of warships right now in the Gulf of Aden and this started with Of course with the Somali pirates and there's all this activity going on and then all of a sudden it hit me now I know it really started to dawn on me when we had this blue moon in December. So we had two full moons which is a very powerful occurrence and

1:34:22 What is happening right now is everyone is jockeying for position to take possession of the Stargate which is seven miles below the surface. It's known as the Aden Stargate and it's starting to activate. It's got a lot of... Where did you get this one? I travel in circles. and what's frightening to the governments and military is that this Stargate

1:34:58 actually can incapacitate aggressive weaponry like nuclear weapons. So that's why everyone needs to get in there. They're all trying to figure out, you know, they're waiting for something either to pop up to the surface or whatever it is. But it is without a doubt the stargate that everyone is jockeying for position. You watch, you're gonna see some really weird crap going down. And right now of course, and the chat room's been waiting for it, We've been using a lot of crazy weaponry and I will say it because I think it is possible that indeed the earthquake machine has been turned on. We saw a relatively large, it's all in the sea now by the way. Earthquakes aren't happening on the earth on landmass anymore. It's all happening underwater, first off the coast of California and now off the coast of Haiti. So what is the time mark for the show?

1:35:56 Because my son had made a prediction that you'd bring up earthquakes in today's show as part of some screwball idea. And what's the time mark? I gotta get it. I think we're at 1...37. Huh. He expected earlier. I waited for it because the chat room was like waiting. Oh, when's he gonna bring it up? What is he gonna be like you all can kill me call me crazy. You can say whatever you want But I know a whole bunch of crazy websites about this. Yeah, I don't read the crazy websites This is a top secrets actually a pretty good site. Yeah, but I I I don't I don't even read above top secret if I can stay I

1:36:33 Have other sources. This is a part of harp and this is gearing up and they and this happens all the time You know watch what's gonna the next big quake I predicted for you right now You know what's gonna hit Iran the next big quake will be in Iran. Well. They do have a lot of quakes in Iran So it's not a bad prediction and if you look at what the response and this is this is all tip-off in in my mind if you look at the response that the US has had The president comes out and says we're going to invest 100 million dollars in Haiti. Invest? The hell is that? Invest? We have the Southcom. I mean immediately, who goes down there? Do you know that the commander of Southcom was in Haiti when this happened? What's he doing there in Southcom? We've got, oh we happen to have an aircraft carrier, a nuclear aircraft carrier nearby. We're just gonna, oh we happen to be here.

1:37:34 No, there is something very, very, very strange going on with this. And it could be a distraction, it could be a number of things, but when you see Department of Homeland Security is going down there, I don't get it. Now we've occupied Haiti in the past in the I think in 1939, before then I think the Marines were in there in 1908, 1909. Yeah, and I don't know if it has any strategic importance. It was great for pirates back in the day. And of course there's always been all kinds of crap going on in Porter Prince. I think this was... Well, and then of course, you know, Pat Robertson came out with a crazy comment. Yeah, do you want to hear that? Because I have it somewhere. It's pretty funny. Yeah, it is rather hilarious. What? I thought I put this under... Oh boy, how can I not find that? No, well, it should have been under crazy shit.

1:38:36 That's a new topic I have crazy shit Here it is Pat Robertson. Okay. Let's play this for you. This is this is him Explaining why? explaining explaining he's just saying he's just explaining listen the reason you know Christy Something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about it They were under the heel of the French. I you know, Napoleon the third or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you get us free from the French. True story. True story. The devil said, OK, it's a deal. All right. All right. Who's crazier? You're calling me crazy with my earthquake machine. Who's not here?

1:39:29 I think a lot of you in Pat Robertson. Someday in the future, this is going to be you. He's making a lot of dough doing it. His audience donates. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me ask you a couple questions. Has Haiti ever experienced an earthquake before in its history? Yeah, 200 years ago. Oh, really? They have a cycle of about 200 years for their earthquakes. Okay. All right. Well, that's well known. It's a big fault. It moves. Anyway, we've got US Special Ops, we've got South Com, the Southern Command in there, we've got Department of Homeland Security. And they actually got there a lot faster than they got to Katrina victims, didn't they? The US Southern Com- thank you, good point. US Southern Command is leading the Department of Defense response. Department of Defense?

1:40:27 General P.K. Keane, deputy commander of the Southern Command, was in Haiti when the quake struck. He was just... was on vacation? What's he doing down there? How coincidental! Uhhhh... Coincidence? I think not! Of course it's horrible because, you know, hundreds of thousands of people have died. And I just don't see the... there's too much coincidence. We've got this... the weather is really weird and of course all of the climate changers are now coming out and saying, oh no, this is all a part of global warming. We're gonna have a little pause, press the pause button, the mini ice age for the next 20 years because of course they couldn't get away with the global warming scam. So they're just gonna switch it and say, you know,

1:41:14 It's, and oh by the way, these energetic earthquakes, that's a part of global warming. I've got it here. Research compiled by Australian scientist Dr. Tom Chalco shows that global seismic activity on Earth is now five times more energetic than it was just 20 years ago. The most serious environmental danger we face on Earth today may not be climate change, but rapidly and systematically increasing seismic, tectonic and volcanic activity. This is all because of climate change. The science is in! Science! Didn't they say the same thing about hurricanes and we haven't had a big hurricane since? I guarantee you the next big quake is gonna be Iran. And it's gonna come pretty damn quick. This may have been a mistake for all I know. This may have been an accident. This may have not meant to hit Haiti. Although I think it's a test. It could have been a test. I think as a test it was probably a valid place to shoot it.

1:42:22 3,500 members of the 82nd Airborne Division is on notice. It's like, wow. You know, I think you made your point. There's a lot of weird coincidences. Why are these all the military guys are all, they were ready. It seems as though they were ready for it. So meanwhile, I'm sorry, I got one more for you. Okay. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, a new executive order signed by our president Establishing a council of governors to strengthen further the partnership between the federal government and state governments to protect our nation against all types of hazards.

1:43:11 When appointed, the Council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of the various states, Homeland Defense, civil support, synchronization and integration of state and federal military activities in the United States. Let me just repeat that. Synchronization and integration of state and federal military activities inside the United States. And in other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, Homeland Defense and civil support activities. Now this I think even you can deconstruct John. This is a setup for a control mechanism should martial law be necessary in the hinterland. Yeah, no, I think so. That's pretty obvious.

1:43:58 And it's just not comforting to read these things. So I got one that qualifies as crackpot. I think, maybe not, maybe this actually makes more sense. Are you done with yours? For now. For now. Play O'Reilly interviewing this Shira guy who's been you didn't want to see this guy a million times He's an ex-CIA guy that blames it, you know everybody for everything Except the CIA which could have done this and could have done that and you've heard what is he a writer? What is it? What is a writer? He's a CIA field guy turned writer and Apologist and I've always find the guy annoying because he always calls everybody sir. Yes support and something's phony about the guy and

1:44:47 But there's something he said on this particular interview that I thought was interesting and I think we should listen to it and I'll tell you what I thought, what it was that was interesting to me based on all the other stuff that's been going on. Author of the book, Marching Toward Hell, America and Islam Against Iraq. And Dr. Shoyer was in charge of the Bin Laden unit one time. And in 1998, Dr. Shoyer and a few other CIA operatives hatched a plot to get Bin Laden in Afghanistan, correct? Yes, sir. That's correct. Okay. And one of the people that you were working with, a CIA agent, a woman, was killed on December 30th in Afghanistan by the suicide bomber, the traitor, who the CIA thought was working for them, got in and blew up a bomb and seven CIA agents were killed. This person you worked very carefully with, very closely with, in 98 to try to get bin Laden.

1:45:41 But you were foiled. You were foiled by the Clinton administration. That operation never, never took off. And you say that John Brennan, the chief counterterrorism guy now, was involved in foiling the plot to get Bin Laden? Yes, that's exactly right, sir. I might just start by saying that the officer who was killed was involved in providing the U.S. government with 14 different opportunities between 1998 and 2001 to kill or capture Osama bin Laden. But specifically, in 1998, Mr. Brennan was our senior officer on the Arabian Peninsula, our chief of station.

1:46:24 and he, George Tenet, and Weish Fowler, who was the ambassador at that time, promised the White House... The ambassador to Saudi Arabia, right? Yes, the ambassador to Saudi Arabia, sir. Promised the White House that the Saudis would buy Osama bin Laden from the Taliban and give him to us and they urged the White House not to do anything to protect ourselves, that the Saudis would do it. And President Clinton acquiesced to that and did not order the CIA, your operation, to get bin Laden. How confident are you that you could have gotten him?

1:47:05 Well, sir, I'm confident, you know, we maybe had two chances out of, or three chances out of ten. But I think the important point on this is we elect people, we appoint people who look for others to do our dirty work. When Mr. Brennan, Mr. Tenet, and Mr. Fowler promised the president that the Saudis would do it, we had a track record. We were attacked in Saudi Arabia in 1995. Well, obviously it was a mistake because the Saudis didn't do anything, and bin Laden hasn't been caught and attacked us on 9th. Well, obviously. So they all made mistakes. What's the point?

1:47:55 and he came on and he made a cut in the reasoning i didn't realize they had pictures of this woman the cia agent that was killed in afghanistan uh... in the number of the news uh... outlets and i didn't know that she was involved with fourteen according to sure schemes to get ben laden she's obviously the ben laden person currently working within the cia and her with the other people that that's a good rhetorical question to the CIA ever managed to assassinate their own people who may want to speak out and say something like perhaps, hey, bin Laden's been dead for the last 10 years. Oh, yes, very good point. I love this place with you, this guy who blew up this doctor who supposedly blew up the gymnasium where these people were staying. He blew the thing to smithereens with some sort of car bomb. But did they ever actually find his body? Do we know that he even

1:48:45 did this? Interestingly enough I saw a report and I didn't I didn't I don't think I saved it and it was a picture of a number of guys carrying his remains in a coffin and I was like and and and I couldn't tell I think if it's Islamic it has to be it can only be of wood or there's some regulation there but I thought like wow I mean this guy blew up a whole bunch of people and they still had bits that they put that they bothered to put in a coffin It was weird. And it was, you know, and they were, and we don't have a true story about how the explosion took place, because we can't get any real information, let's face it. They just tell us something happened. And we know that there's a disgruntled doctor that was maybe turned, or he was a double agent, or we don't even know if that's true. According to his wife, which we discussed this on last week's show, where we got no money for it. We took this- Stop talking about it then, it's not working. It's his last week's show.

1:49:53 the where the wife is going out and you know she had her kind of the almost uh... rehearsed answer to some canned questions i didn't think about the time by this whole thing maybe just a second to reaction leading Either get rid of the CIA guys, maybe there was nobody was killed in the action. These people are going back underground for some other reason to get, you know, maybe get Bin Laden or they were blown up to shut him up. I mean, it's just the whole thing stinks. We have no idea whether any of it's true. I believe that the whole whatever it is. Whatever we're told is completely wrong, but we can't deconstruct it well enough to know what actually is going on. Why do they even do these stories? Why don't we just get out of these places and let it end? Anyway, I found the whole thing annoying, so... I totally agree, John. Just a couple things to wrap it up for my end from back home in Gitmo Nation because we talk about all these desert places with camel jockeys. Oh, we can't be interested in that.

1:50:51 A bit of feedback from one of our listener producers as we talked about the unemployment numbers, the bogus numbers that the government always tells us where really we have about probably now 18, maybe 20% of the workforce is unemployed. And of course, we talked about the bums who And we say that affectionately because it's you know, that's kind of the way they're written off. It's like they're not even those numbers aren't even discussed. 700,000 people stopped looking for work. He's like, if there's no work, I'm going to stop looking. This is from one of our listeners, Mark. Hey, do either of you really want to know where these new bums are coming from? I'm a 55-year-old Vietnam era vet with 27 years of IT experience. I have only 65 days left in my home before foreclosure, three months of unemployment remaining. My two kids left California Friday to live with relatives and look for work.

1:51:46 That ends five generations of native Californians. That, sirs, is where the lost middle class is coming from. Yeah, very aware of it. However, in Gibbon Nation lowlands in the Netherlands, they have a fine solution. Listen to this. They are going to institute... I love this unemployed free zones in Rotterdam. Oh Really? Yes, so these will be zones where there will be no unemployment But of course you can't complain about the job that you will be given when you live there Okay, very nice. Yeah, I love that. Yes unemployment free zones

1:52:26 Yes, very very cool. But again, don't complain about... you may not like the work. Sounds Soviet. Actually he says, it might not be your dream job, but it's a step up. Nice. I did not know, but just to add some fuel to the fire. The food stamps, as we now know that it's close to 10% of all Americans are on food stamps, which is kind of a misnomer because it's not actually stamps or paper anymore. It's a debit card. Right. Do you know who our government has outsourced the debit card food stamp program to? Well, I mean, yes, it would be like Bank of America. Oh, it's better than that. It's JP Morgan.

1:53:14 JPMorgan and of course now that it's debit cards, you know, they're probably creating this fake money in the background Because that's all it is just fake money. So I'm walking in San Francisco yesterday Speaking of JP Morgan walking in San Francisco. There's all these people all dressed to the hilt, you know Just rich-looking people and there was a JP Morgan health 27th annual JP Morgan healthcare conference taking place and at the St. Francis. So I went in there and took a few photos. Oh, excellent. Excellent. That's almost as good as a Bilderberg meeting. Yeah, it seemed like a bunch of, you know, it was a drinking club. I didn't see any, you know, what was going on. I probably could have,

1:53:56 Blowing my way into it, but you know it would have been boring this no, that's the reason It would have been boring now, but what happens here is are if you go to If you go to the pharmaceutical company websites you can download the presentations And they're all like you know exactly this this is what the CEO presented at the JP Morgan healthcare conference And basically this is where I get all my information from where they say oh, we've got a huge Pipeline and vaccines we've got a cancer vaccine an anti-smoking vaccine. We've got you know by the way Let's not cure cancer don't even say you have a cure for anything these days because that's exactly how you get to to the head Goldman Sachs Just blatantly coming out now and saying yeah. Yeah, we were we acted improperly on the sale of securities Yeah, we defrauded everybody

1:54:46 This of course is the now admitted fact that while they were do about it Yeah, we're gonna do buy it that they were hedging So while they were basically hyping up the the credit default swaps They were hedging against it waiting for it to collapse so that I just call that control demolition I don't I don't know how to see it any other way any other way and and the whatever we're just gonna tell you you know we don't give a crap I'm gonna give a crap and then this is my favorite from the Ministry of Truth Department this has been uncovered this is a very interesting guy who I got a look into Cass Sunstein who is a Harvard Law professor professor who is what is he he's in the Obama administration now he's the head of

1:55:38 the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. I think that is the actual title for Ministry of Truth, is it not? The Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. So he wrote in 2008 an academic paper which is titled Conspiracy Theories, Causes and Cures. in which he argues that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via chat rooms, online social networks, and even real space groups and attempt to undermine these groups. Exactly. That's a beauty. Yeah, and I will provide this paper

1:56:30 in the show notes because and actually started, I don't think you caught it, but I started the show off with a word he used. Let me see if I can find this. Here it is. This was published in the Journal of Political Philosophy in 2008. And in it states, quote, our primary claim is that conspiracy theories typically stem not from irrationality or mental illness of any kind. That's a relief, John. No, no, it comes from crippled epistemology. No, we're not thinking right. In the form of a shapely limited number of relevant informational sources. So we just don't have, we're just crippled by a lack of information. But to define that, to redefine that in words everyone can understand, we didn't drink the Kool-Aid. Yeah. Is you don't have the grape Kool-Aid. It would be easier if you just said that.

1:57:33 We have to that this is a scandal. This is a huge scandal and I will give props to Mark Estrin blogger who uncovered this this gem and now it's being published far and wide and of course you'll find it in the show notes at no agenda show calm And it makes a lot of sense because if I look in our very own chat room, I can almost tell you who the who the government shills are and They are deaf, they're in there for sure. We have hundreds of people. I remember during the operating system wars between OS2 and Windows, Microsoft had a team of people that would do exactly this, and it was very effective. Although they seem to have stopped, and it's noticeable, but this is an effective mechanism that's only until you get caught. Although I think Microsoft was caught a couple times and it didn't really make any difference. So it's possible you can do it just in the hell with you.

1:58:31 Attitude and and just keep you know again. Just poison the the conversation why not well it happens Quite a lot and now everyone of course is raising their hand in the chat room saying it's me It's like the horn section on the Letterman show there so And by the way, I do have a Letterman thing. It's a real new thing I want to play at the end of our theme at the end of the show we have a two minutes two and a half minutes of One of the letter part of one of Letterman's monologues that explains the Conan Letterman Leno situation which was a news distraction So you're telling me that it's the artwork that blows our donations? Versus actually taking the most important spot of the show at the very end and playing a Letterman clip That's really what you want to do

1:59:19 Yeah. That's really what you wanted. I guarantee we'll get more money. Alright, then I will wrap up from my side first of all by thanking you brother John for attending the early service I'm currently reading a part three of conversation with God which is a fascinating book and I will I will talk about that in a future episode of no agenda So just remember my friends you actually are God and you create your own reality and anything you wish for you can actually create because we are all creative beings and And this show never existed. Or you can wish that we're hugely successful and make nothing but money. That would be good. Well, this is why I'm reading the book. I'm like, if I can just open up my third eye in my top chakra, then people are going to send us $33,000 a month.

2:00:05 There you go. Coming to you from the Minimum Security Containment Cell Crackpot Command Center located in Gitmo Nation, West San Francisco, California, still in the morning. I'm Adam Curry. And from Buzzkill Bunker here in Northern Silicon Valley where the sun is still in my eyes, I'm John C. Dvorak. We will be talking with you again on another early service Sunday, right here on No Agenda. And now, back to real news.

2:00:52 I still have a show, right? You so far? I hear about this yesterday a corner number. It's so so confusing ladies gentlemen and Jay Leno used to be on at 1130 then they moved him to 10 and then the Conan O'Brien was on at 1130 now they want him to go on at 1205 and then it would put Jay from 10 to 1130 and and Carson Daly now I got to get a show in Mexico or something you don't know what to do I mean he's just Hey, what about him? It'll make you dizzy. So Conan O'Brien yesterday said, well, I'm not doing the Tonight Show at 12.05. And you think about it, well, he's right. The Tonight Show, that's the next day. It's not really the 10th. That's right. It's like the day after or what used to be the Tomorrow Show. Right. So he said, forget it. I'm not doing the show at 12.05. Well, NBC went back to him, and they decided to sweeten the deal. They offered him 12.04.

2:01:56 Maybe you don't get it, but now the buzz is that Conan may leave NBC to start a show of his own at another network. And I thought, where'd he get an idea like that? And the whole idea of this was NBC wanted to get a thing going whereby they wouldn't make the same mistake they made when Johnny quit and retired, that there were a lot of bad feelings. They wanted to avoid causing more bad feelings. Well, mission accomplished.

2:02:36 I miss Johnny Carson. I mean, by God, when Johnny quit, he quit. And my mom, bless her, she's so confused. Last night she actually watched me. Seriously, I have a show? You're so far. Good. Oh, now this was good. Last night on ABC, Jimmy Kimmel did the entire show as Jay Leno. Yeah, hi. Oh, hi, everybody. Nice to see you.

2:03:19 some headlines for you? Yeah, headlines. Headlines. Jimmy Kimmel was so convincing as Leno, today NBC canceled him.