The Democratic Industrial Complex

00:01 Hey John. What? That would have been a great show if it had actually recorded. You're kidding me. I'm not kidding you. We're still on the stream by the way. Huh, well maybe somebody out there recorded it. That's why I'm still on the stream. I hope to God someone recorded this show. I can't believe I can't find out surely that's pretty funny. No, it's that's like par for the course for today Yeah, well, it sounds like it. Well, maybe somebody recorded and we can run their recording. I Knew this would happen eventually. Oh my god. I feel like such a douchebag Okay, nerdy dude says he has it recorded sending it. Oh my god. I love you. Oh

00:37 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's December 16, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation Media Assassination Episode 157. This is no agenda. Scanning the C-Span transmissions for the real news, because we can. And coming to you from the Minimum Security Containment Cell Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West San Francisco, California. In the morning, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I thought it was the 16th last week, I'm John C. Dvorak. Oh, you did? Oh, really? You think? Morning to you, John. Morning everybody on the stream and in the chat room. NoagendaStream.com and NoagendaChat.com. For those of you who don't know, we do this show live twice a week, usually around 9 o'clock Pacific Standard Time, Gitmo Nation West. A little bit late today, my apologies for the early service, but even

01:45 Even the holy men have have some other you know I had to have a chat with God this morning We have an executive producer this week Good who we got we got rolling on well. We have our old buddy Stephen Pales and marker oh That's our Dutch friend is he not yeah, Belgian Belgian right cool Cool. He decided to give us a $200.90. Of course, the 90 cents is a let's make a deal number just in case. Just in case someone else came in. Right. Excellent. Thank you very much, Steve. Is that the only executive producer? Yeah.

02:21 and he says because I've made the valiant effort to pronounce his name properly, Pelzmecher. You're doing a very good job. Steven, congratulations. You are the executive producer of No Agenda episode 157. Please feel free to put that on your resume, use us as a reference. It really does look good as a credit right underneath Candy Striper. But seriously, people take note of this stuff and they know what it means. It means that you're in media and you've got a clue. So congratulations and we appreciate the support. It's always good to have a recurring executive producer on the show. So there's a bunch of interesting news this week. In fact, it's like all over the map. Yeah, I agree.

03:19 I'm sure you're gonna roll right into it. Maybe I can help you because I've already seen the clips. Oh, this is I don't have any clips, but the there's not a clip related, but there's a There's a new Boing-boing covered this bit Cory Doctorow if anybody doesn't know is a Writer who is kind of caught up to an extreme with a copyright law He thinks some skammish aspects to it, and he doesn't lack, especially the fair use and public domain. Is he a proponent of the Creative Commons copyright license? Yeah, he's one of those guys, and he's also kind of a proponent of public domain being what it used to be, not what it is now, which is non-existent.

04:06 thanks to the disney corporation well did they want to know but everybody jumped on this bandwagon and now the latest thing and then you can read about this here and there is that apparently canada uh... is being browbeaten by the e u to adopt some screwball majors that are going to change canadian copyright law to such an extreme that the there's actually a provision for the most ludicrous aspect to the taking these things to an extreme. If I have a copy written book, by the way, there's some aspect of this which is in other words if you create content like we do here on this show, you know, a

04:42 It becomes something you can use it as a commodity, you can just buy it and sell it. But let's say I'm a bookstore and I sell you a book, whatever it is. Then that book should be shrugged. Yes, oh what a fine idea John, that book actually should be a. Early in the show, I get it out of the way. So I tell you now if you resell the book, it's my property and resell. No, what? It's now you have to track down the copyright owner and give them a royalty on the sale. This is you're right. This this this started with music first.

05:27 Where you weren't and I remember this conversation when? when DRM and mp3s came out and it was all about you know, okay look if I buy a CD and I play that CD to my heart's content and then I take it to a swap meet and I or if I just decide I want to give it away or if I want to sell it for a buck Then it's my property. I bought it and I remember with digital we slew slew slyly kind of moved towards that direction Well, you know, you don't actually own it You're kind of just renting it and everyone kind of glossed over it and you know, hey who cared right? We had the shit on our iPod and we were playing it and we weren't thinking about that But even with the digital you could not resell that song. I

06:10 This all began in the 70s. Oh late 70s. I was very young then John the this began with a software Entrepreneur named Seymour Rubinstein Seymour Rubinstein who was the purveyor of wordstar among other products had developed a very interesting ironclad licensing agreement and I've talked to see more about this over the years and And he always believed that in some day in the not too distant future or distant future, everything would be licensed, including books and television shows that you watch. So you can't copy them, because you're licensed it.

06:54 and you might maybe can make one back up for personal use which they're always fighting against that too by the way so the idea that everything being licensed evolved into the shrink-wrap license which became law which is that which is that terms of service license that when you open up a CD used to be floppies the end user agreement that is on a piece of paper when you rip open the package you have You have accepted it. Yes, you are now under contract. I always say have your 13 year old kid open it because they're not bound by these same legal restrictions. Anyway, I feel like that's going to help. An interesting John C. Dvorak tip. The John C. Dvorak tip of the day.

07:36 So this evolved into the terms of service agreements that are on websites. And of course, the phone rings right now. Which I'm gonna go hang up. But the terms of service agreement became law, legally binding. So in fact, if you go to barck.org slash blog and look at the terms of service there, you'll find one of the more interesting ones because I have all kinds of weird stuff in there, which is all legal. I'm actually reading your website, I am bound by the terms of your legal agreement. Yes, which means you can't really do, you know, I can't. And the great crazy thing about the terms of service on the

08:15 on the uh... websites is that most of them stay and this is legal to most of them say that i can change this on the fly and you're bound by the changes by the changes even though you didn't agree to them in the first place where do i find your terms of service john we're not going to have to i think you can go to work dot org slash blog slash to us and that's how i would be dole go look at one of the show notes here good and the show notes But anyway, so that's evolved into, you know, it just gets more and more onerous and nobody seems to complain about it. And so the next thing, you know, we've got this situation evolving where you really don't have ownership of anything. And you might as well take it to an extreme, like just license your furniture. You know, I should, we should make no agenda underwear where there's a whole license agreement. By opening this, by opening this underwear, you are bound by the following terms of service and you can give it to your woman.

09:08 You have sexual requirements in there by the way. Yes, of course. No one's done that yet. But anyway, the whole thing is a fiasco. And so the Canadians apparently, I don't know what the point of this is or why they're doing this, but there's a lot of stories about the Canadians capitulating to various demands by the US and the EU regarding the Canadian copyright laws, which are somewhat different than everybody else's. I don't know what the deal is. I do know this, that we get very few donations from Canada. We got none this week. Well, this of course is all probably in the ramp up to the ACTA, which we started talking about two years ago. This is the global copyright

09:56 agreement which is so important to our national security that the Obama administration will not release any information about it. Some bits and pieces have trickled through and we pretty much know that there's going to be a global three strikes you're out law for downloading copyrighted material without permission or payment over the internet. But I think most of that is really just a precursor to censorship, which by the way, this week was completely rolled out in Australia. So just a matter of time before we'll get no donations from Australia either, because I'm sure we will be outlawed.

10:39 Well, we got none this week. Well, there you go. It's really the idea is that if you can create these these these barriers with copyright law against public domain and everything else in between and ownership of books and information uh... you can read some point you just you'd you stop the flow of uncontrolled information other words you do you did just the only people that would be going out information would be government agencies and public relations firms and you know i was pretty much what what mainstream news is today p r firms send out

11:18 a press release, a journalist picks that up, rewrite, or let's say a news wire picks that up usually. There may be a little bit of a rewrite and they'll pull some quotes, you know, so these are quotes that come directly from the news release. And once in a while there's a journalist that will call the organization directly and get a personal quote. But yeah, that's pretty much the way it is and it will be the ministry of truth who is giving you your news and your information, totally. I once had a meeting with some public relations professional who was the only one that was pretty honest about it. She says, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we provide all the news for the public and all you guys do is just regurgitate it. Copy. Well, in France now, we've been talking about the newspaper bailouts, Sarkozy,

12:12 the pre-ell presidency uh... has implement a plan that starts this fall so actually started this fall i should say uh... giving every eighteen to twenty four-year-old uh... citizen of get more nation false give more nation but yet a one-year subscription free to the newspaper of their choice and uh... they say it's to stimulate people reading news but then if you follow along with the Waxman proposal in the US House which would be for tax breaks and other subsidies of newspapers and then we have Gitmo Nation Lowlands where they're actually subsidizing 60 young journalists and there's been many reports of... there was... I should look that up and I should actually translate it. There was a journalist in the Netherlands who we've not heard from since I might mention who said

13:07 Yeah, you know this is actually how it works and I have a meeting and he actually took pictures of the secret meeting room in the courthouse where he would meet with government officials and they would tell him what to write about either certain legal cases or different topics of interest. I mean this has been going on for a long time ever since, was it Roosevelt? who thanked all of the journalists from Time Magazine, etc. He met with them, basically Bilderbergers. Who do this as well in the Bilderberg meetings? There's all kinds of editors from top publications who were invited to this and they never report on it You know because that's basically where they set the agenda and discuss what will and will not be printed and made public to the you know this used to happen with Microsoft Microsoft used to have these meetings at a better one of their buildings on the hood canal used to be called a yearly hood canal meeting and

14:06 and uh... they would invite the top writers in the washington post the new york times wall street journal and you know mostly mainstream media publications and they were they'd should take him out and they do you know the courses guys all have these requirements that they can't take more than twenty dollars in gifts and all the rest of me or they get a you know i i i don't know in audience with the gates bomber and the rest of them along with the you know, overnight stay, which is supposed to be somehow reimbursed the company for it's a scam. And they listened to the propaganda over it, but then they never report on that itself. There's non-disclosed because of the corruption of the non-disclosure agreement, you know, is permeated all the media. So they sign off that they can't say anything. And, you know, meanwhile, I found, I was never invited to these by the way, because I don't, I won't sign a non-disclosure. Yeah. Right.

14:54 I'll sign a non-disclosure if I'm a board member of some corporation, but I'm not. But I won't sign a non-disclosure as a journalist. It just seems unethical. Everyone bitches and moans about the fact that I go out to expensive dinners, but they sign non-disclosures. It seems that's the problem. Anyway, they, so everyone, but somebody told me all the details and then of course I wrote it up in one of the columns and that was the end of it. It killed the meetings. But let's not underestimate what a dinner can mean. A little closer to home just two nights ago, one of our investment firms, you know, outstanding investment firm who really has four major investments in media, they put together an evening at a great restaurant here in the city. I'm going to look up the name of it.

15:41 because we actually, I'm sure you've been there. And they, so they invited the founders of, what was it? Hold on a second, let me just let me find the name of this place. It was, Probacco? Probacco? Herb aco per Baco P er B a CCO per Baco and I've never been there of nice restaurant They had a huge long table private room and they and they got to come the reporters from Time magazine New York Times Bloomberg had a great talk with a Bloomberg guy, by the way You see a US yeah, but you these are stage you actually do but bear with me still

16:24 I can see that yes, it's a staged event, but it was a nice dinner, they were treated well, great food, great wine. If you want to keep getting the free dinners as a starving journalist, you're not going to really slam somebody. You just not. You may be critical, you may have a certain angle. No, I'm not going to argue the point. Now, I go out to expensive dinners, but I don't go to these group meetings, A. And B, I only go to gossip. and with people who like to tell tales out of class about their competition mostly. But the point is that there's a corrupt factor that's all over the place. It has to be taken into account. But nothing to me is more corrupt than the non-disclosure agreement where somebody signs off on saying that they never had this meeting or they can't say they went to the thing. As a journalist, I would say that's pretty much against the entire concept. And it's standard operating procedure.

17:20 Wow. Well, based upon that I think we can definitely make a choice between, I have at least three today for... The Distraction of the Week. Hey! No! So I'd have to say there were three main news events, all of which could have been deemed or can be deemed as the media distraction of the week. I'll start with, and this just blew me away, actually the Bloomberg guy who I had dinner with told me about this and I hadn't heard about it. He knew nothing about Copenhagen but he knew about this. Bloomberg. What, he knew nothing about Copenhagen? Very little. He really, very, very little. I was amazed and I was telling him a few things like, hey, you know, actually I think I went a little overboard. He was like, I have to go home and Google some stuff right now. I'll see you later.

18:14 about another set of White House Party crashers. Yeah And I was amazed by this. I'm like wow these guys, you know, they were so desperate to cover up What I and I actually have a clip of that to cover up the 1.2 trillion dollar spending bill that was rammed through the house One point let me just repeat that 1.2 trillion dollars here We are talking about Medicare for weeks on end which is about it's less than that but about the same amount as proposed but no one As far as I can tell, reported on this. And there was some real discussion going on, some angry congressmen and women. There's a lot of pork in this thing too, I understand. Oh, no kidding. Where are we getting this money? Well, hold on a second, before we get to that. The only thing I could think to myself was, wow, they were so desperate to distract the attention that they said, fuck it, you know, that party crasher thing worked. Do that one again. Pull that one out quick. Let's do it. Then of course there's

19:17 Silvio Berlusconi, by the way in the party crasher thing. I watched one of the congressional hearings on that And it's a scam obviously because the White House won't even send their social people that are under executive privilege the social secretary does not have to speak under the Executive privilege privilege clause the whole thing is either a scam or there's something else going on gee you think John I Well, you know, the other thing that might be going on based on your theories is the possibility that they're going to keep doing this, that he's going to have these people getting close to the president at the drop of a hat as a message from the CIA.

19:58 to tell Obama that he's got no protection. Well this is the way of course it's being perceived in two ways. Many people are scared saying, wow, our president is unprotected and others are saying, hey if we can't even protect the president how can we protect the country? That meme was also discussed at the table. Now of course we have a mantra, we have an entire formula for this program not to be taken literally. Our formula is this, we go out We hit people in the mouth. So Gitmo Nation Italia was listening. Yeah, I know this is a great distraction, but this is more of a European distraction. I don't think America's paid much attention to it. No, not at all, because no one, I mean, Italy is so engrossed with their Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who's one of the richest men in the world. He owns all of the media, literally. He owns the media, so he has a complete lockdown. My sister who lives there, Willow,

20:54 who is a contributor to the program says, you know, I have a theory, don't look over here theory, says up until Sunday the main news in Italy was that a pentito which is a mafia turncoat, had accused Berlusconi and Dell'Utri, which is one of his jabronis, of having very serious mafia connections, specifically when they entered politics in 93, when they founded the Forza Italia political party. So this was the top of the news you know people are really focusing in and they've been trying to get a good to nail bear was going for a long time and you know the with with uh... illegal uh... campaign contributions and also he changes the law so that that is a outside the statute of limitations so he's been real slippery has been fantastically slick yeah he's the he's the teflon and our prime minister so this is top of the news that all of a sudden boom we get some crazy guy who uh... who through a statue

21:55 a miniature statue and I have the footage I put it in the show notes at noagendershow.com it's very violent because most of the media has a bunch of people and they don't really see it but I was watching I think it was Rai Uno And I got a clip from there and you see the guy I mean he throws this thing hard I mean it busted his teeth. I mean it really really hit him, so it's it's quite a way to go for a media distraction Well maybe they said you know pie he's like what statue Anyway

22:34 Our listener there in Italy, Willow, asserts that, she says, oh here's what's going to happen. He's going to go to the hospital, he's going to go to the guy's parents' house and he'll do a whole emotional show of how he forgives him because of course he's mentally ill and the media will be all over it to capture it and then he'll be Mr. Good Guy again. You know, turn the other cheek as it were. So there was that distraction, which... Yeah, that's a gem, especially if it's orchestrated. Well, again, it's quite a ways to go, but these guys will go to any number of desperate measures. Berlusconi is the hero of hookers and blow. I mean, this guy is all about that. He's a party animal. And we had Sarkozy call him up, I'm sorry, Putin call him up and say, hey man, you're real macho, you really stood up to that.

23:24 and of course putin is the guy who has official pictures taken of himself riding bareback bare-chested on a horse yeah on a wild stallion while he's hunting he's hunting for elephants or whatever and then the final one which completely blew me away because you know what is happening today john today uh... in the senate finance committee after the uh... the hearings in the senate the senate finance committee will vote to decide if ben bernanke uh... should be uh... reelected as the chairman of the federal reserve and what happens just just just one day before all of this ben bernanke is announced as the person of the year on top and for time magazine which used to be known as the man of the year is now the person of the year

24:18 and uh... if this isn't a an orchestrated perfectly uh... laid out plan that i don't know what is of course it makes total sense because then bernanke you look at the other choices we could have chosen obama which would have been a very logical choice i mean you get a nobel peace prize you might as well from up on the other chosen michelle mucus michelle would have been an excellent choice i mean there's plenty of people uh... you could have chosen uh... posthumously here's something you could have done you could have put three thousand faces on the cover of all of our servicemen and women who have died uh... in my humble opinion in vain uh... fighting foreign wars which are senseless and that had been good that would have been a really good one you know what is the collages uh... but no of course they choose the actual boss the actual ruler he is obama's boss they choose ben bernanke and put him on the cover that's that's just

25:12 Unbelievable as a move. That's all that people are talking about and you probably will only hear somewhere next week just before Christmas when no one's really paying any attention, oh he was reinstated and congratulations. Business as usual. Well the guy going after him is Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Bernie is not a guy that we would agree with on most topics, but he's really urped about this Bernanke guy. So he gave a big press conference and he brought a bunch of people out to moan and groan. I have a clip from one of the people he brought out. It was a professor.

25:54 who is a professor of economics and law, and I think he's at the University of Missouri. I'm not sure. I don't absolutely know. But anyway, he just blasts Bernanke. You can play pieces of it if you want. But he blasts him for like, it's just a broadside that is like, when you listen to this, you go, why is this guy in this office at all. uh... in the uh... in the in the committee on c-span yeah that has as the guy responsible for everything yeah for a lot of people that agrees with that even though you start to hear a mean that he's saved it all we've got a very little precipice

26:45 Yeah, we would have been, we would have been, you know, nothing has improved by the way. Unemployment is still going up. People are dropping off the unemployment roll, so the numbers are really bogus now, but they're extremely high. Business is not good. People are not getting those. Nothing has improved. One, Iota. And we don't know for a fact, because there's no way of doing a double blind study, that if he had done, let these big companies fail, the ones that are too big to fail, just let them go bankrupt. You know, companies go bankrupt all the time. Airlines go bankrupt. and they stay in business. It's not like they disappear off the face of the earth, but they go through a process, a normal process. But by bailing all these guys out, it's created probably worse in the situation. Did you have a chance to read the Rolling Stone article that I posted in the show notes from last week? Not yet, no. You must read this because then you will see how the Obama administration carefully orchestrated people going in and out

27:39 in order to facilitate this huge bailout which it of course is just a setup so everyone gets the money go up by by some real assets by some land in Paraguay by some airplanes and boats and by your house because you'll be bankrupt and then get ready for the final collapse which is imminent and is probably three years out and you know let's play this professor's clip first and then I want people to hear what's happening in the house with this 1.2 trillion dollars that was spent that no one is talking about. So here's the professor. Let me introduce Professor Bill Black. Bill, do you want to come up?

28:25 I've been asked to be very brief to give you more time for questions, so I'm going to concentrate only on the regulatory side. First thing that you need to know is that the Fed was unique. It had authority under an act called HWIPA during this entire time period to regulate and prevent the subprime lending by otherwise unregulated These are the mortgage bankers primarily that made 80% of the non-prime loans. The Fed under Greenspan and under Bernanke refused to use that authority. And it refused to use that authority even though the FBI warned publicly in congressional testimony beginning in September 2004 that there was a quote epidemic unquote of mortgage fraud developing and predicted it would produce a financial crisis.

29:25 unless it was prevented. And Bernanke's colleague on the Fed, Ned Gramlich, personally warned that there was a housing bubble of immense proportions developing and that there were extraordinary problems in subprime lending and that the examiners needed to be sent in. And this is what the Senator was just talking about. There was never a disagreement on substance between Greenspan and Bernanke. They were the twins on these issues. They refused to send in the examiners. They refused to use their authority under the statute. Shouldn't that be enough for people to understand that this is intentional and that it's set up?

30:09 I think we just might want to remind people that the Federal Reserve, even though it has, and we've said this so many times, even though it has a governmental sounding name, that it is a group, a conglomerate, a cabal, it's a profit-making, I think it actually is a for-profit organization that is made up of private banks. Groups of banks. Groups of banks, and by the way, an unpublished list. They don't even They're not even transparent enough to let us know who actually are in this cabal. And their entire job is to make money. And the way you make money, people just kind of can't understand and we don't have time on this show to get into it. I don't think we could even explain it. But there's plenty of YouTube videos out there that do a pretty good job, is that when a bank lends you money,

29:25 unless it was prevented. And Bernanke's colleague on the Fed, Ned Gramlich, personally warned that there was a housing bubble of immense proportions developing and that there were extraordinary problems in subprime lending and that the examiners needed to be sent in. And this is what the Senator was just talking about. There was never a disagreement on substance between Greenspan and Bernanke. They were the twins on these issues. They refused to send in the examiners. They refused to use their authority under the statute. Shouldn't that be enough for people to understand that this is intentional and that it's set up?

30:09 I think we just might want to remind people that the Federal Reserve, even though it has, and we've said this so many times, even though it has a governmental sounding name, that it is a group, a conglomerate, a cabal, it's a profit-making, I think it actually is a for-profit organization that is made up of private banks. Groups of banks. Groups of banks, and by the way, an unpublished list. They don't even They're not even transparent enough to let us know who actually are in this cabal. And their entire job is to make money. And the way you make money, people just kind of can't understand and we don't have time on this show to get into it. I don't think we could even explain it. But there's plenty of YouTube videos out there that do a pretty good job, is that when a bank lends you money,

31:06 So, if a bank gives you, John C. Dvorak, a mortgage for $100,000, which pretty much about covers the value of your home as I've seen it, they actually then on their books can create, it's an asset, they can then lend out another $900,000 to other people and this is how the system works and because it's a closed loop all of these banks communicate through the central bank which is the Federal Reserve in other countries is called the central bank but that's exactly what it is. This is how they control the entire financial system and this is what you know is not taught in school obviously for very good reason because oh boy no one would want to catch on to their scam

31:55 But this is this is how it works and and they've enriched themselves and their friends and they've all been in positions of bankers So Bernanke was the CEO of Goldman Sachs, you know who's winning right now who is doing fantastically? Well Goldman Sachs, you know, you you can look at it. However, you want but coincidence I think not it's just not that you have to understand in general in principle that All people are very good and all people can be very bad. And sometimes the bad just overshadows the rest. And it's a cycle. The bad is now in power. Do you want to do more of this, Professor? Yeah, yeah. He's got another point that's even more interesting. Go forward in time.

32:41 It is, I think, no secret that the Chamber of Commerce is not exactly a friend of the Obama administration. And the President has just said that he wasn't elected to represent fat cat bankers. Ben Bernanke is the person who delivered for the fat cat bankers in the form of the ABA, the American Bankers Association. Wow, that's the link you sent me, right? About the American Banker Association? Yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second. and for the Chamber of Commerce. Because what they desperately wanted and what Ben Bernanke signaled approval for, picking up even their talking points in the language he used, was to gut the accounting rules this year. And so now banks don't have to recognize losses.

33:36 So what do they do? They report that they're highly profitable. And that produces immense executive bonuses. We have lied at the behest of the people who are in charge of the economy. of entities that are completely repugnant to the administration supposedly and yet the administration seeks to reappoint. That is fascinating because the article you sent me John and that's actually listed for those links are so long that's actually listed under the Dvorak links heading in the show notes and no agenda show dot com called naming the enemy

34:17 where the National People's Action, who I guess every spring they go out and they organize and they go protest something. These are very smart, smart protesters because while everyone is looking at people like Ken, what's his name, what's the City Bank guy? Yeah, the City Bank guy. Ken Lewis. And the media distraction is about the golden toilets. That's actually, that really is gutter journalism. So everyone's talking about the bankers pooping on gold toilets. The true evil is being ignored. That would be the American Bankers Association, in particular a guy named Ed Yingling.

35:12 And so now they're going to protest on his front lawn, which is appropriate. Which is why, by the way, the Goldman Sachs, which has also received Goldman Sachs, had a big, almost many Goldman Sachs executives are being targeted by these, these, uh, which is why, which is why they've all registered handguns. Yeah. They're all, they're, they're armed to the teeth because they think they're going to get their houses are going to be stormed. And by the way, It's always a possibility. I would be armed to the teeth too if I was a Goldman Sachs guy. I'd have more than a few handguns and a couple of shotguns and I'd have a bunch of security guards around my place and I wouldn't let the kids go out alone. You know, I got a quick note from one of our producers, Aman.

35:51 and he said, so I'm at work eight miles away from the Miramar base. I just saw two transport helicopters, Chinooks, three F-15s, a stealth bomber and an AC-130 fly overhead. My guess is they came up from Camp Pendleton on the way to the Miramar base. There is a tremendous amount, and there's lots of reports about this, a tremendous amount of troop movements in the United States, in particular in the Republic of California. And there are many out there, and unfortunately I have to subscribe to it, that are thinking that there is an actual worry amongst the government, unreported, that we could get some form of real public disorder because people are really hungry and pissed off.

36:42 Yeah, well that's been going on for a while. You know, the public is pissed off, but they're not... you know, the problem is that people that have orchestrated demonstrations tend to be socialists, just straight up. And they don't get a good response from the public at large. Because when you start digging around, you find they're always part of the World's Worker Party, which really wants to overthrow the government completely and replace it with a Hugo Chavez character and that kind of thing. So it doesn't, we've managed to divide and conquer. I've been watching a couple different left-wingers now and listening to their complaints about things. And if you go to the complete right wing, to the T,

37:26 party folks and then you go to the left wing to the, you know, the progressives, the most left wing of the progressives. They actually, if you start listening to them, they're, they're both have the same complaint. It's almost identical except for the stuff, the middling things, the stuff in the middle. There's a bunch of stuff in the middle. that they disagree on completely. But the stuff, the big picture stuff, the big economic issues, the corruption and all this kind of thing, they're in total agreement with. Amazing to me, but they've got it. We've got a divide and conquer approach that's been beautifully executed. And these two groups never talk to each other. And if they do, they're throwing fists because they're throwing fists over, you know, abortion rights or right to life or some of these, you know, crazy things in the middle.

38:13 that really are separating the two groups. So you come up with, you know, climate's another one. The progressive far left, they believe in the climate thing, and the ones on the right... Hate them they think it's bogus, but they both agree that cap-and-trade is bad, but they can't just get together on this I find it fascinating that we have this dichotomous, and it's been set up by the by the right-wing Ideologues and I'll put Rush Limbaugh in that group who have a checklist of And they have a checklist of what you have to believe in as a conservative, and this checklist is extremely rigid, which is very unconservative-like if you think about it. It's extremely rigid. You have to, and if you're not part of it, you're a rhino, a Republican in name only, or some other, you know, some other, you know, moniker thrown at you to indicate you're less than a, you know,

39:05 because i i would have to make me know make no mistake rush limbaugh is on board with the program i mean he's he's part of the divide and conquer or what is often called the left right paradigm where you just have people fighting over stuff all the time in the while it's business as usual and the stealing in the corruption continues and this is not to be to the united states i think that it's uh... is pretty much a little bit like it goes way back so do you want to hear a little bit of uh... Representative John Culberson and it was it was interesting because I got this new iPhone app the C-SPAN iPhone app. I'm so happy with this all they need is a little record button. Oh my god, that would be perfect. So you can get C-SPAN 1, C-SPAN 2 and then C-SPAN radio. So I'm listening yesterday morning as I'm shaving it's like you know it's like 830 and of course it's lit later on the East Coast and I hear this guy go off I'm like holy crap

40:02 And I have to say, thank God for C-SPAN. So I went to the website and the entire 10 hours of debate over this $1.2 trillion spending bill, which is disguised as salaries and clothing for our troops fighting wars overseas. but there's a whole bunch of you know all the sudden is that like all kinds of other things in there you know i read to the bill of course that you can now you can download it but uh... that wasn't the case when they started this uh... when they started this debate in fact it was completely the opposite of the transparency that the obama administration promised us and that this is not quite as long as your professor clip it's a little long but listen to this guy go off telling it straight up as it is forget about what's in the bill just listen to how

40:50 Our representatives are working and what they have to do and what it's related to. One of the most fiscally conservative members of the House, Mr. Culberson. How much time does the gentleman yield? Such time as he may consume. Thank you. The gentleman from Texas is recognized. Take it all, John. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Let us just slow down for just a minute and think about what is happening here today. The House is scheduled to vote today on a package of four massive bills spending over $1.1 trillion

41:26 hard-earned tax dollars that will be paid for by additional debt that our children must repay. Worst of all, these bills were only posted on the internet last night for the American people to see about 11 o'clock. Literally 13 hours for the public for the taxpayers for the members of Congress to read these bills spending over 1,100 trillion dollars interesting he misspeaks there cuz it would be 1,000 1 1 100 billion dollars not yet But you remember what the promise was don't you John the promise? Yeah, everything would be posted for a few days

42:11 days or whatever. Two hours, yeah, so he brings this up correctly. And I've scouted around, Madam Speaker, and the only copy of the bill before us, the defense bill, that anybody can find is the one up there on the clerk's desk. These bills were put up on the internet 13 hours ago. They're not even outside in the House lobby. And it's always tradition, at an absolute minimum, that members of Congress would be able to physically read the bill outside in the lobby, but this is all I found. So, let me, he holds up an empty cardboard box. So let me just reiterate what's happening here. That Congress is debating a bill which includes all kinds of new additions, which is known as pork,

42:54 It's all been put into this bill which the members of the house who are about to debate this and subsequently vote on it have not been able to read. It has been withheld from them. This empty box outside the lobby is all we have before us today. $1,100 trillion spent in a little over 12 hours Why the rush? Why? Now this is the good one. So of course the question is why do we have to do this? You know, this is a lot of money. It's very important because it is about supplying our troops. Of course there's all kinds of other stuff and the debate is fantastic if you have 10 hours. I've listened to about six of it. Why are we rushing to do this? So Speaker Pelosi can catch a plane to Copenhagen. We're spending 1.1 trillion dollars

43:42 on top of the 6.7 trillion that this liberal majority has already spent this year. That means in the course of 12 months This liberal majority in Congress has already spent, in this House, nearly $8 trillion in 12 months. It's unprecedented, it is unsupportable, it will bankrupt this nation and crush our children under a burden of debt that they cannot possibly repay without crushing tax burdens and massive sacrifices. We may be the first generation in American history that leaves our children worse off

44:24 than the world we inherited from our parents. It's just unacceptable and outrageous. And as my colleague Representative Brian Baird and I, Madam Speaker, introduced legislation earlier this year to require the House to lay these bills out, every bill, for at least 72 hours before they can be voted on on the floor. And I just would ask the Speaker a simple question. What's more important, giving the American people time to read these bills, to give the members of Congress time to read these bills, or to catch an airplane to a global warming conference. That's really what's going on here today. And so of course I googled that and lo and behold, and of course this is also in the show notes, US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will lead a 21-member congressional delegation to the United Nations sponsored meeting in Copenhagen and she says, oh yes,

45:23 You gotta love it. We see Copenhagen as a meeting about job creation. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs. Arbeit, Arbeit, Arbeit. Do you hear what's happening? Do you hear the whole world using this jobs meme? Do you hear that, listeners? It's how we move forward to create millions of clean energy jobs and new technologies to keep America number one. So there you have it. And of course the way it's supposed to work is yes, that was the whole deal is we get to read it. People like John and I read this stuff and then you get to comment on it. You can call your representatives. This is what these people aren't just like, they didn't come out of the poop. They're representatives, they're elected. You're supposed to be able to talk to them and if you want even lobby them, that's allowed.

46:25 uh... and have input before they go in and now they're essentially voting blind to learn about the loss of food at seven sixty seven that she required the air force to provide for her i don't think it's big enough i think she had to get a seven forty seven because seven sixty seven i don't know if you can make the trek in one go well actually from the soviet and no no problem if you are can't forget that you're right they can so you know that's that's the government at work and You know, you should, it's so unfortunate because the resources are all there. You know, C-SPAN is there. You can hear this in real time. I did a little informal poll at the office today, yesterday and it was… Another poll from the office? Yes, we need a jingle.

47:14 And so these are young kids, but in their mid-20s, some just about to hit 30. And I said, we have a little production meeting. I say, hey, who here knows about Copenhagen? One person. Who is that? Amy. And I said, so what do you know about it? Well, there's something about some global warming thing going on over there. And she gets her news from – she says, I watch headline news. I get 20 minutes, everything I need in the morning. Oops. And I'm good to go and the other ones had never even heard of anything going on in Copenhagen So what's worse is not so these people are not not not being indoctrinated The ones that that the 20 20 percent in the room. That's one person who did know about what's going on got it from CNN headline news in a 20-minute nugget, of course, she knew everything about Tiger Woods and

48:16 and everything about the White House party crashers and don't even bring up Balloon Boy. By the way, he would have been great for Time Magazine's Person of the Year. That would have been a perfect one, Balloon Boy. It saddens me. She did give me a good tip though, and this is something that when we get the stream rocking somewhere in the new year, which is the entire plan when I quit my day job, He said, can you just give me in five minutes what's going on? And I said, okay, here's what's happening. Copenhagen is a setup that Al Gore participated in. Global warming is not true. It was made so that they can put in global rules, global governance and eventually will lead to

49:02 the male sterilization pill so that you cannot have more than one child, if any children at all, to reduce the population and have total control over you. She said, oh cool, thanks. Okay, could you just do that every single day because I'd listen to that. A good buddy of mine, I'll put a link in the show notes to his blog, I like that. He wrote a great blog post. He said, I'm setting up just like the carbon credits exchange that Al Gore has, he says, I'm setting up a child exchange so we're going to have child credits. So, you can sell your birthright. So, if you're a woman of birth yielding age or younger, you could give this for your 13th birthday like your bat mitzvah. Here you go. If you decide not to have children, then you can sell that credit.

49:52 to people who do want to have more than one child. It's a great idea, John. We could be gazillionaires. We need to set up the exchange to do this. Yes. Like Al Gore did. We have to see what Gore did for his climate exchange system, and we can just copy it. So meanwhile, the whole argument there in Copenhagen is, it's been shifted craftily so, because of course there are hundreds of thousands of people are protesting and people are getting arrested and even the Danish are going like, dude, this is pretty extreme. Of course nobody's reporting on any of this correctly. Why would you?

50:32 You've implemented draconian laws to basically stop people from protesting, but they want this. They do want the protesting to take place because the protesters are protesting the wrong thing. They think they're protesting cap and trade because it doesn't actually solve the problem. What they should be protesting is the entire lie. and the fact that this is about ushering in a one world government and to have less people on earth which I would assert also has not been proven as the solution even though China thinks it's a good idea. And this, who's that crazy woman from Canada who writes about it? She's a former reporter. I don't know what you're talking about. I'll have to look that up.

51:19 She's who by the way has two children herself. She's saying oh no everyone's have more no more than one child, but she has two The funny thing is, the only idiots that would adopt this policy are just going to be swamped under by the poorest people in the world who use children as a form of entertainment. They have some of them, six, seven, eight, nine kids, you know? They need them to help. It's cheap labor. Hey kid, dance monkey boy. Make your daddy laugh, will ya? Do something, do something funny. So I think we should seriously investigate that John, the child credit exchange, the CCE. Child credit exchange, CCE, yeah, has a nice ring to it. Yeah, doesn't it?

52:07 Yeah, so we're on this topic of the global warming debate once you play the jingle by the way since we might as well we might as well open up the gate. I'm sorry. I'm a little bit To the gate to the gate to the climate gate It might actually be interesting to play this, I'm very aware of the huge amount of listeners we have in Gitmo Nation East, known as Europe, on Newsnight, which is of course a program that is deemed as journalistically outstanding.

52:53 They had on I'm trying to look for the for the notes here They had on it's almost irrelevant, but listen to this guy who was talking about the climate gate emails and how he is changing the truth maybe we just call it lying and then who he actually accuses of of releasing this just in time for Copenhagen. Listen to this. Oh, hold on a second, why did that happen? That's not correct. Here we go. Exaggerated, it sounds like things have been held back from the public and this sense of distrust has me concerned. And by the way, that is exactly the object that the hackers had in getting into the emails.

53:38 Remember that these emails go back to 1998 so they've been accumulating them. So that's lie number one where this is just technically dumb to say this so they've been doing this since 1998 they've been saving them waiting to release them. This is horse crap. Of course it is. Dude it's like they just got the archive. It's like people save their emails you know you're supposed to. So the guy okay so the guy is does either nobody's talking about her he's just an out-and-out liar. Yeah Yeah, well let's listen to the rest. And they've just released them in the week before Copenhagen. Yeah, but that doesn't take away from the fact. No, no, let me come to the fact. Let me come to the fact, he says. Let me come to the fact. I just wanted to... Who is this guy? I'll look up in a second. I mean, I recognize that. The strategy of these people who are hacking is important. Let me also make this allegation for the first time in public.

54:31 It's an extraordinarily sophisticated piece of work to hack into all of these emails and mobile phone conversations. What agencies have got the sophistication to manage that? I leave you to think about that. All you need is to get to the root of the server. it's incredibly sophisticated it is uh... professor sir david king who is the united kingdoms chiefs who was the united kingdoms chief scientific advisor between two thousand two thousand seven and uh... freezes mobile phone conversations and what the hell is that i think what he's saying because you recall that there was a huge scandal in the united kingdom where the uh...

55:17 The gossip magazines had access to mobile phone conversations, you recall that? Vaguely. Yeah, of course. Is that what happens? Is that the first thing to go, is the memory? Yeah. uh... so he got it he's talking about an agency so we see a certain yeah really good point is he asserting that it's news agencies or zero serving that it's me doesn't say he's obviously just you just making some sort of blanket accusation that you know some sort of hackers and cabal hackers truly against you'd correct oil companies i don't know

55:57 The guy obviously sounds corrupt. The guy's creepy, his voice. Yeah. Let me just make this, let me just point out this fact, this fact I must point out. So meanwhile, of course, at the meeting, the colors of the global warming meeting, besides the fact that people can't get in, it's just a mess over there. People outside the global warming conference are freezing. They're freezing. I love it. You can go to the blog, DeVore.org, slash blog, and look this up, but Hugo Chavez comes out.

56:33 And he's there, and he gives an anti-capitalist, anti-Western speech that apparently gets a standing O. He essentially goes after, I mean he hates us, right? So he goes after us. Of course, he has probably reason to because I think the jackals tried to kill him a couple times and he finally gave up on the West. So he goes after us, accuses us of doing all these bad things. It says capitalism is the problem. We need a socialist state. And the entire place goes berserk. Yay! Ladies and gentlemen, this is what it's all about. They want to set up the equivalent of a caliphate, a world socialist government run by guys like this who just steal money straight up without even having to...

57:20 Forget the 72 hours of getting to read the bill or even 13, there'll be no zero hours. And I think it was the giveaway, and you start to see these guys now coming out of the woodwork because there's been some resistance by the West, especially the United States, about, well, I don't know if we should sign this. Let's do it next year and all this kind of stuff. These guys are getting impatient at trying to steal our money. And so now they're just coming after us with all kinds of vitriol. Could you explain the word caliphate? Yeah, caliphate is essentially what the Turkish Empire was when Muslims had essentially control of a huge area of the Middle East, Turkey, parts of Russia, and the whole, it's essentially like an emperor, only it's run under Muslim law. And the caliphate is the desire to have the entire world under one Muslim

58:20 leader, a sultan or whatever you want to call him, who would use Muslim authority to rule us all in some Kind and gentle way and that alone my friends is a $5 word you can use at the next cocktail party Caliphate CLA F A T E I believe it's spelled. It's got pH. Oh, it's the AI Cali C a I F A T W H a t Lee fate. Okay. Wow, it's even better. Oh And that alone should be the price of admission that we believe you should pay for this program. So this is your transition, I take it? This is my transition because we're about 50 minutes into the show. Well let me mention a few names while we're at it.

59:06 Well, let me... Yeah, go ahead. I want to... We only got donations except for our executive producer from only three countries in the world. I find it fascinating. We got nothing from Australia, nothing from Canada. All of our donations came from the United States, the United Kingdom, which is odd enough. And the Netherlands. And the Netherlands. And the Netherlands, I have to say, I've received at least at least 10 different emails from producers slash listeners in the Netherlands who are playing and I have a couple of Dutch links in the show notes no agenda show.com curry.com Dvorak.org

59:44 They are of course in Dutch, you could do a Google translation and people are wow, they're awake, they're seeing it. I mean the whole, because it's the same playbook. It's the exact same thing taking place in those countries and they're switching on, they're tuning in and they're identifying. It's a fractal, so every country that's going through this process is having seen the same thing in different ways. I mean, although I do agree that the Netherlands is far out in front of everybody else. Yeah, because they're going to get the black box GPS installed in their cars any day now. So yeah, they are. Which of course is happening here. So let's mention a few people. First of all, John Petrucci, Larry, Larry Corpy and John Traynor are continuing their night march tonight. But in the Netherlands, we've got a Yousef Tamayo.

1:00:33 uh... in amsterdam and he said is a note which i'm gonna pass along to you because you need to hear this ready please use it mp3 tag editor mp3 tag to change the cover picture type from other to front cover other is set by itunes this way the great in all caps album art which by the way is great of the show will also be displayed properly on nokia devices Wow, okay. This is very typical because I use iTunes to... so we record the show in raw AIFF which is done for one reason only that is should something crash during the show then I still have that show and I don't do a straight record to mp3 or anything. Then I transcode it down to mp3 and I use iTunes to essentially put in the cover art and there is no

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1:02:26 Zondum. But you have the inflection wrong. It's Zondum, not Zondum. Zondum, not Zagdum. Zondum. Inflection on the first letter. He's honest. I don't want to say what address he's at, but I'll tell you he's on a street, which I'll repeat. Pelican Strut. Is that right? the pitting down the patient of pelicans the pelican struts yeah correctly constructs the right this is a great this is why i do this show but i know what i was offended ralph who i'm sure getting his name straight from pontiac michigan gave fifty daniel she me o s h i m n y l in a story a he didn't give us a bit required amount but he did give us a

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1:04:46 I'll settle. I'll take 125. I'll take that. Well, look at this other than we read you this little clip here from other. This is just about from a salon article. I found out that the Bill Gates Institute Foundation, the Bill Gates Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Melinda. They've been giving money to the Discovery Institute, which is that Seattle group that promotes creative design, creative intelligent design. They're anti-creationism. Yeah, no, they're anti-evolution. Yeah, right. So I'm just going to read a little thing here. Other foundations that have given money to discovery also seem unsure whether the donations may tarnish their image. Still, all insist the money they gave to discovery does not go to fund discovery's intelligent design work.

1:05:39 Alberto Canel, spokesman for the Verizon Foundation, says the five-year, $74,000 grant the foundation made in discovery in 2001 was earmarked for a lecture series. goes on, David and Lucille Packard Foundation gave $200,000 to Discovery's Cascadia Center. And he goes, we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars and we get like about $1,000 a week. So that's one of the reasons. I'm telling you, there's got to be within, and our audience is big and it's growing. It is impossible to believe. There's got to be a patron out there. There's got to be someone who is saying, you know what?

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1:07:07 Just not to pat myself on the back or anything. Oh, why not? But, you know, people have scoffed and guffawed at me in particular, but I think we both sign on to the... to the theory that a lot of what is happening in Afghanistan, besides the general theory that it is for the UNICAL pipeline, there's a lot of big Gitmo Nation initiatives that make that very important. We're pretty sure that the troop surge was sent just in the nick of time to help with the poppy harvest. seeing as of course output production of the raw materials for heroin from Afghanistan is up 120% or is it 120% production level, I'm not sure which one it is. And I have said many times that because the only type of organization in the world, in America that is allowed to send more than $10,000 internationally

1:08:07 are publicly listed companies and I've been saying for a long time ever since we started the show that the drug money is slushed through to Wall Street because you know if I want to send $10,000, $10,001 overseas then I have to go through all these hoops, I have to report it, you know there's all kinds of systems that kick in particularly if you're sending it to the Netherlands then you know then it goes through SWIFT and the US can look at it and you get taxed on it and there's all kinds of huge huge systems in place but if you're a publicly listed company a wall street company and let's face it what are the big ones doing all the business it's the banks they're all listed publicly you can buy shares in the banks the united nations the so those of you who believe that there's global warming that means you believe in the united nations so that means you have to believe this report

1:09:01 that the UN Office on Drugs and Crime came out with saying they have evidence that the proceeds of organized crime, in particular drug money, were the only liquid investment capital available to some banks on the brink of collapse and a majority of the $352 billion of drug profits were absorbed into the economic system as a result. Indeed. So there you have it. We have a link to that article. I'm sure. I have a link to the article in The Guardian that reported on it, hidden of course. And there's also a link to the actual report which is worth reading. By the way, we read this stuff.

1:09:47 People look at even the Bloomberg guy that I was having dinner with you know I was talking about the Lisbon Treaty and I really went overboard with him and I said, you know, I read that you did what? So yeah, dude, you know, it's not that hard except you have to find all the protocols and the subtext and everything because it's all kind of pulled apart But yeah, you know, it's just people writing it, you know, it's just lawyers, you know, I'm not impressed and Lawyers are just paid to speak a different language. We've got Google, I've got a dictionary, I can look up words. I'm always inquisitive about a word means, what the intent is. It's not that hard. You can do this.

1:10:23 Oh, wow, really? And there's links, you can download the house appropriation bills, the four ones they were debating. It's right there, you can download it. It's okay. Scroll right down to the end, that's where the park is all included. Interesting by the way how they've put in recipients of the cash. uh... so the appropriations bill actually list who the money's going to so it's not even up for you know like a tender like uh... you know like any for-profit company can be done by the end of this film no it's already in there it's the other people boom boom yeah crazy all right so let's uh... shift gears a little bit you get them into you want to stop on on the climate gate because there were a couple of very important uh...

1:11:13 piece of news that came out one including what well al gore uh... he uh... he did a little cut closed conference but it was for journalists in their copenhagen is the flu is that g five up there and he claimed I can't believe you missed this, John. He claimed... Oh, about the ice cap? He says these figures are fresh, he said in his speech. Oh, he lies about a lot of this stuff. Some of the models suggest there is a 75% chance that the entire North Polar ice... And he jumped on it for the 7th time. Let me finish, let me finish. Not everyone has a blog.

1:11:52 Some of the models suggest that there's a 75% chance the entire North Polar ice cap during the summer months could be completely ice-free within five to seven years. Unfortunately, the scientist that Gore quoted the research from, Dr. Wislaw Malowski, and I love the way this is written in, let me see what publication is this, TG Daily. rather pissed on his chips by stating, it's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at. I would never try to estimate likelihood of anything as exact as that.

1:12:31 Al Gore spokesman backpedaled furiously saying the figure quoted was merely a ballpark figure that was mentioned in a conversation. He probably had some images of like the polar ice cap. There's a distinctive cycle. You know, what else could it be but global warming? Well, maybe the sun. But there's been a long-term cycle of the northern Arctic ice caps specifically. of it melting completely. I mean, it's been navigated by the Chinese, I think it was a thousand years ago, there's documentation for that. And it comes and goes. I mean, it's better by most people's standards that it goes rather than creates an ice age the other way.

1:13:16 When the Vikings came across there was no ice up there, I mean there was very little. Greenland was named Greenland because it was a green place to make a plant. Exactly. And there's Viking villages they've discovered 70 feet under the ice. Meanwhile, one of the main climate change opponents Live on Danish television got a heart attack Yeah, that was a weird one. We have that blog too. Yeah, some guy who was he was a complainer. He was a denialist

1:13:52 and he's going on about something. Somebody came over and touched him and he dropped dead. Well, he had a heart attack. And it was frightening. And you know what? A heart attack, I thought normally people grab their arm or something. It looked like it was weird, man. It looked like he got an electric shock. That's exactly what it looked like. It was like they switched the chip on. It was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Over on screen 3042, hey, something's going on. Zap him. Zap him now. that and okay it's pretty true it's got worse if they got him off the stage they drug him and you haven't heard anything never heard any follow-up to the even see that on mainstream television no more about it but it was long-term who kind of started off the public debate by going out uh... and uh... making speeches he uh...

1:14:39 went and interviewed some of the Greenpeace, here's your left right paradigm right here, some of the Greenpeace protesters. Have you seen that clip John? No. Oh let's listen to a bit of it. He's interviewing Greenpeace protesters. Well it's very kind of you to come here and join our conference today. May I ask why you have come? I think I've already answered that question. I've just come because I'm a member of Greenpeace and we've heard that there This conference is about people who negate climate change. Right. Now there has been climate change hasn't there for four billion years? Well you tell me, I'm young. So the point of this video, we'll play a couple more interviews, is all these people who were with Greenpeace protesting, who were sent by Greenpeace,

1:13:52 and he's going on about something. Somebody came over and touched him and he dropped dead. Well, he had a heart attack. And it was frightening. And you know what? A heart attack, I thought normally people grab their arm or something. It looked like it was weird, man. It looked like he got an electric shock. That's exactly what it looked like. It was like they switched the chip on. It was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Over on screen 3042, hey, something's going on. Zap him. Zap him now. that and okay it's pretty true it's got worse if they got him off the stage they drug him and you haven't heard anything never heard any follow-up to the even see that on mainstream television no more about it but it was long-term who kind of started off the public debate by going out uh... and uh... making speeches he uh...

1:14:39 went and interviewed some of the Greenpeace, here's your left right paradigm right here, some of the Greenpeace protesters. Have you seen that clip John? No. Oh let's listen to a bit of it. He's interviewing Greenpeace protesters. Well it's very kind of you to come here and join our conference today. May I ask why you have come? I think I've already answered that question. I've just come because I'm a member of Greenpeace and we've heard that there This conference is about people who negate climate change. Right. Now there has been climate change hasn't there for four billion years? Well you tell me, I'm young. So the point of this video, we'll play a couple more interviews, is all these people who were with Greenpeace protesting, who were sent by Greenpeace,

1:15:28 don't actually know what's going on. They have no information. They don't actually know the facts. That's a good answer. That's a very good answer. Can I ask you then, if there's been climate change for four billion years, why are you against it now? Because, well, over the last Well, let's say over the last 80 years climate change has been really, really accelerating and we have a big problem now and we need to act very, very eagerly. Right. Now the UN in its calculations shows that in all but the last 20 years we could not have had any effect on the climate. It's a very recent effect that we might have had.

1:16:12 So, given that there has been warming for 300 years and only 280 years we could not have made any difference. Are you saying that in the last 20 years we have suddenly done something that really changes the climate? Well, if you look at glaciers, if you look at the polar poles and if you look at weather changes, it's very, very obvious. Let me ask you about the poles. Are you saying that there has been any unusual melting of ice at the poles? I think so. And how do you know that? Because I'm reading reports, I'm hearing people talk. Al Gore said so. I'm reading the press. Have you ever checked any of the data from the scientific institutions or in the learned literature directly?

1:17:02 Well, I have checked the reports from, for instance, the reports from Greenpeace because they... And Greenpeace is a campaigning organisation, isn't it? What do you mean by campaigning organisation? Well, it's not a weather bureau, is it? No, of course not. So my question then is, why do you believe reports, whether from Greenpeace or anybody else without having actually checked them? I mean I've seen it because I'm from Norway actually. I'm from Norway and I've seen glaciers 20 years ago and they were much bigger than they are now and I see that fauna and flora is changing in Norway because of global warming. But this has been happening for four billion years as we agreed before you will get

1:17:44 changes sometimes room locked in so you know watch that entire clip montan is great man he's out on the street doing this he just yeah no he's a character oh my goodness uh... i give you shop all by for this guy i mean that's just fantastic not not a lot of people who don't have to worry about shit in life who are kind of set would do this stuff just wouldn't yeah yeah he's a uh... he's good i mean i've everything i've heard from him has been very uh... very interesting and uh... now lots of other little reports here and there that uh... that you can read of course was funny to see that uh... the prince charles and gordon brown both went to copenhagen but they flew in their separate jets they could have they could have made a little statement there is that he had a lot of jenner's i mean who is running the p r for this is a common guys isn't is a slam dunk it turns out that they do because nobody cares

1:18:38 And everyone just believes whatever the PR people tell them to begin with, that they can get away with this. I mean, it was only the reason that they stopped flying their jets. The General Motors flew a jet into Washington, D.C. to do testimony, and then somebody picked it up and made a big stink about it. And then, because they hate General Motors and they hate capitalism, they hate big business, so they made a big stink about it, so the guys had to drive in on a bus the next time. But nobody is going to make a stink about these guys because everybody's already signed up for the global warming is going to kill us all, and you know, we should have one world government and all this, so nobody's going to say anything, because it might detract.

1:17:44 changes sometimes room locked in so you know watch that entire clip montan is great man he's out on the street doing this he just yeah no he's a character oh my goodness uh... i give you shop all by for this guy i mean that's just fantastic not not a lot of people who don't have to worry about shit in life who are kind of set would do this stuff just wouldn't yeah yeah he's a uh... he's good i mean i've everything i've heard from him has been very uh... very interesting and uh... now lots of other little reports here and there that uh... that you can read of course was funny to see that uh... the prince charles and gordon brown both went to copenhagen but they flew in their separate jets they could have they could have made a little statement there is that he had a lot of jenner's i mean who is running the p r for this is a common guys isn't is a slam dunk it turns out that they do because nobody cares

1:18:38 And everyone just believes whatever the PR people tell them to begin with, that they can get away with this. I mean, it was only the reason that they stopped flying their jets. The General Motors flew a jet into Washington, D.C. to do testimony, and then somebody picked it up and made a big stink about it. And then, because they hate General Motors and they hate capitalism, they hate big business, so they made a big stink about it, so the guys had to drive in on a bus the next time. But nobody is going to make a stink about these guys because everybody's already signed up for the global warming is going to kill us all, and you know, we should have one world government and all this, so nobody's going to say anything, because it might detract.

1:19:17 The CIA has come out. The CIA has a center for the study of climate change deeply embedded within the Pentagon or wherever they are embedded. And we did talk about this briefly that yes, climate change is indeed a real concern to our national security. And here's a quote from from one of the air marshals. Well, initially, the main problem we see is people will be fighting for food and shelter. When the migration starts, remember John, the big migration of 2010? Do you remember those days? Every state would want to stop the migrations from happening. Eventually, it would have to become a military conflict. Which other measures do you have to resolve your border issues? So there you go.

1:20:07 We're all going to be starving and burning up and we will have no food and we're all going to be killing each other for food. That's the meme that is being spread. Well, that's a good one. So I think we can close this gate. Yeah, I think so. The problem of course is that the pendulum is swinging in the other direction. So let's talk about some interesting... Here, let me just read this. This is from June. I found this when I was doing some research.

1:20:45 June in the Nation, which is an extremely progressive magazine, writing on the Atlantic's website, Scott Bland and Ronald Brownstein identified the emergence of what they dubbed the Democratic Industrial Complex. Yeah, I like that one. Energy and healthcare companies, automakers and banks all understand that the Democrats control much of their fate, so they've cast their lot with the majority party in a big way. John Kerry got less than 20% of the donations from electric utilities when he ran for president. Barack Obama got almost 60%. So far in the cycle, Democrats have captured two-thirds of the donations from the healthcare industry. So let's play the clip with Howard Dean.

1:20:07 We're all going to be starving and burning up and we will have no food and we're all going to be killing each other for food. That's the meme that is being spread. Well, that's a good one. So I think we can close this gate. Yeah, I think so. The problem of course is that the pendulum is swinging in the other direction. So let's talk about some interesting... Here, let me just read this. This is from June. I found this when I was doing some research.

1:20:45 June in the Nation, which is an extremely progressive magazine, writing on the Atlantic's website, Scott Bland and Ronald Brownstein identified the emergence of what they dubbed the Democratic Industrial Complex. Yeah, I like that one. Energy and healthcare companies, automakers and banks all understand that the Democrats control much of their fate, so they've cast their lot with the majority party in a big way. John Kerry got less than 20% of the donations from electric utilities when he ran for president. Barack Obama got almost 60%. So far in the cycle, Democrats have captured two-thirds of the donations from the healthcare industry. So let's play the clip with Howard Dean.

1:21:28 As promised, we are joined now by Governor Howard Dean, former chairman of the Democratic National Committee and a 2004 candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination. Thank you for your time tonight, Governor. Thanks for having me on. Governor Dean, you have been on this cause of health care reform for decades. There has been no more energetic cheerleader for this legislative crusade this time around than you. You have reached the point now where the Senate bill, which is well on its way to becoming the Lieberman bill, is something you can no longer support and you want to kill it? Tell us why. Well I don't, I'm not going to give up on health care reform. I'm still hopeful that something will happen in the House but it's not very likely because the conference committee could be vetoed by Joe and the other pro-insurance company Democrats. When it comes back

1:22:17 as well. So real reform in the House is a lot less likely given what's happened in the Senate. This is not real reform. It's not health care reform. There are no choices. What the decision has been made without really thinking about it, it's been made because people are exhausted and they want to pass a bill so desperately they're not thinking about what they're doing here. It's been made to commit the United States to health care reform through the private sector. Now I don't think that decision should be made lightly. In the previous bills, the Medicare buy-in, The public option had the choice of a mixture of giving Americans the opportunity to make their own choices. Those choices have been taken away by the pro-insurance folks in the Senate. I think that's a mistake. Are there some good things in this bill? Yes. This is basically the Mitt Romney bill in Massachusetts, except it doesn't insure as high a percentage of people. The exchanges work well, although there's no cost control of any substance.

1:23:07 You're going to be forced to buy health insurance from a company that's going to take on average 27% of your money so they can pay CEOs $20 million a year and so they can have return on equity in their shareholders. And there's no choice about that. If you don't buy that insurance, you're going to get a fine. So this is a bill that was funded fundamentally written by staffers who are friendly to the insurance industry held up uh... so it was friendly to the insurance industry by senators who take a lot of money for the insurance industry and it is not health care reform and i think it's too bad it should come to this okay so he's turned on it

1:23:47 interesting uh... the thing is that i got a few others are trying to get them to courage of although like this at nation article said that health care is remaining mostly a couple of insurance companies that dominate uh... health care insurance uh... an h m always have you been given all the money the democrats of the democrats basically are to talking out of both sides of their mouth and they're not going to do this bill is going to be all this bill is going to do which is the which makes it even more amusing is that if you don't have health care insurance which you've been complaining about now you're going to be forced to buy it and it is running about you know twenty to thirty percent of somebody's annual income is only active yeah and you'll be forced to buy it under threat of penalties and jail

1:24:30 actual jail so really great job on by obama and the boys yeah good one this what this one thing i i should have mentioned this uh... we're talking about donations john because uh... you know we often harp on uh... public broadcasting and uh... and npr about uh... them taking money from large corporations such as So the Associated Press reported on Monsanto as confidential contracts dealer, and these are the seed people by the way, they make genetically modified seeds in case you didn't know. Google them, there's plenty of juice, Google juice about Monsanto.

1:25:08 Confidential contracts detailing Monsanto Company's business practices reveal how the world's biggest seed developer is squeezing competitors, controlling smaller seed companies, and protecting its dominance over the multi-billion dollar market for genetically altered crops. One follow-on article that I'm not going to read, but there is an admission now, Bayer has admitted that GMO contamination is out of control. They've admitted they've been unable to control the spread of its genetically engineered organisms despite best practices to stop contamination. That's what's been shown in all outdoor field trials. And so I thought, you know what? Why don't I just go to the NPR website and see if any of their programming talks about this Monsanto story?

1:26:06 Well, what did you find Adam? Well, gee John, on their website they do have a link to the AP story but in all their programming, which let's face it, that's what NPR is about, is their programming. All I can find in the morning edition is Monsanto to buy a seed producer in deal worth $1.4 billion, Monsanto nicks his new biotech wheat, Monsanto sues dairy over milk ads. They sued another dairy over milk ads? Yeah, let's go to PBS for a second. Let's see if PBS is reporting on Monsanto, a little search on their site. Let me see. Well, there's plenty of search results that talk about Monsanto underwriting the programs. But no, there's nothing about this, John. It's phenomenal. The NewsHour.

1:26:56 which is heavily sponsored by Monsanto, is not reporting on this at all. That's weird because it's our national treasure. Yeah and you know and they are after all sponsored by Monsanto. So you think that have the inside track they can just call up HQ and say hey guys why don't you just give a little comment on this Monsanto story. No, they're not doing it because they're taking money from Monsanto so they're not going to blow blow one of their big, well they are blowing him, but they're not going to blow up one of their biggest resources, one of the biggest sources of money, which is why we don't take advertisements, which is the only way this will work. So I just wanted to say that was kind of interesting. All these search results and the stories are in the show notes, of course, at the unadvertisable noagendashow.com.

1:27:41 Yes, indeed. In fact, it's commendable. So there's a story breaking, we're going to probably talk about it in the next show in more detail. But now the research is coming in that high fructose corn syrup is indeed hazardous to your health. You don't say. It screws up your liver and it makes you fat and it causes all kinds of issues with all kinds of parts of your body. And I wonder, John, who makes high fructose corn syrup? I think it's Archer Daniels. Yes, it will be Archer Daniels Midland Company. Yeah, and don't they big time sponsors of NPR and PBS? Yeah, I think they are. Maybe we should look up, let me, shall I do a little search and see if there's any story on high fructose corn syrup on PBS as an example? Well, you won't find anything there. Oh, come on, let me look. You might find some stuff from the public relations department that has the same kind of, you know, basically the meme that they've tried to put out there is

1:28:41 It's all it is, is just sucrose and a glucose hooked together in such a way that it's very natural. What is more dense, yeast part two. No John, there doesn't seem to be anything about high fructose corn syrup being dangerous to your health on all of the PBS programming. You know what, the giveaway to the whole thing falling apart with this terrible substance which is really pretty much only used in the United States where we've You can almost track the obesity levels when it was first introduced to what it is today. Ketchup is a huge source of it by the way, ketchup. Yeah, you can buy Heinz at Costco. At some Costco's you can buy Heinz organic ketchup.

1:29:29 which has no high fructose corn syrup in it unlike all the other ketchup. Now it tastes like crap. I do want to add that. No it doesn't. It tastes exactly the same. Really? I'll have to try it. I think it tastes like crap. No, it tastes exactly the same. There's no difference in the flavor. It actually tastes better. I've always thought that they put crap taste in the organic stuff. No, no, no. In this case, here's the kicker. You're not letting me get to the punchline. I'm sorry. I've run into this a lot. I've run into this with cereals that don't have a million additives in it, and I run into it with this stuff, this particular product, this Heinz organic ketchup. It comes from Canada. Oh, of course.

1:30:08 They're so smart. We should move up there. Why can't we do it here? But no, no, it comes in. So they have to bring it in from Canada because nobody around here wants to deal with the fact that, well, I don't know, why should we bother? We need to move up there. But the kicker, the whole thing is Pepsi-Cola just announced that they're dropping all HFCS from all their sodas next year and at the end of it. Because it's bad for you. Yes bad for you, but it will do some people should start looking up some articles now You can find it you they're still obscure, but these research reports are starting to come out They're gonna They're trying to be squashed as fast as they can but go to you know type in high fructose corn syrup hit the button and Then click on news and try to get the newer stories and you'll find a lot of this stuff so in our ever never-ending quest to avoid to the head ourselves John be ready for your out there sounds

1:30:59 Of course, after the nuclear cruise missile attack on Denver, which I reported on, seems like they had a little drill the other day, which was announced. This was in case some kind of missile would be sent into the United States. And there was an actual cruise missile explosion, this time over Nebraska. In fact, this happened 9 p.m. local yesterday. Even the explosion even registered a 3.5 magnitude on the earthquake measurement systems and you have a link to this article yes, I do and The cruise missile was shot was fired it came over well What is a cruise missile doing flying over Nebraska? It's on its way to Denver. Oh

1:31:53 This is the whole space wars that we're not aware of, the CIA Obama Cabal, and they blew it out of the sky, John, with a particle beam weapon. The aliens did, you're saying? No, no, no, the armed forces. I thought we were firing at Denver, which has now been taken over by aliens. Am I not getting this story straight? I think you're not. But there's multiple fractions in the armed forces. It's not like everyone's on the same program there. I guess the point of what I'm saying is there is absolutely a space war taking place. I now kind of have to believe that the beautiful circles we saw over Norway were probably part of

1:32:43 a conjugate wave device. So these are all weapons that have been militarized and are being used right now. There is some shit going on that is far beyond what you and I can even comprehend because we've not ever been exposed to it. But it's taking place, it's happening, it's out there, it's up there. And also the tapes were released, I'm not going to play them for you, but the tapes of the Northwest Airlines flight 188. Those are the sleeping pilots. Wow. When I listened to the actual air traffic control tapes, these guys were not asleep. They were freaked out by something and they're not talking about it. I will put a link in the show notes to it. You just, you could, and I've, I've listened to pilots on the headsets, you know, I know how pilots talk and they're like,

1:33:31 Yeah, we got distracted by something here. I mean, just listen to me like you're blown away by what's going on. And it's not like there wasn't calls going out to them continuously. They actually had other aircraft calling out to them trying to reach them. So why no F-16s were scrambled is still a huge gaping hole in the story. And I think that they saw something up there they weren't supposed to. Well, that's always a possibility. From my news item that I'm going to throw out, which is probably not quite as profound as that one. But mine will save our life, okay? So... Police say two dogs fed on Nebraska owner's body. And now, back to real news.

1:34:26 Yum. Two pugs, apparently some owner, some guy killed himself, shot himself and he left the pugs to their own devices. And the pugs ate him over a two week period. Nice. Now, a more interesting story, there's another one, this is on the blog, which is Iraqi insurgents apparently have been hacking US drones, at least they've been getting the video feeds. So these, so it turns out that the, you know, these predators, they fly over parts of Pakistan, Iraq, wherever. And they're, uh, these are the drones. These are the drone aircraft drones, the unmanned flight things. They have a camera and apparently they've managed to hack the video screen, a stream using some Microsoft product. Oh no. And so they've been putting the streams, they found out about this because they got some, they busted some guy and took his laptop and they found all these recordings of the drone flight pattern.

1:35:17 And it turns out that when they designed these things, they never bothered to encrypt the video stream. Are you kidding me? So they hacked into the video stream coming from the drone? Yeah, and when they hack into the actual drone itself and bomb us with it, I'm not sure. But yeah, so now they can say, oh, they're coming over Abdullah's house. Get back inside just in case they see you. Oh my God. That's outrageous. Yeah, totally. And apparently they just it's whatever the software is that runs on these things. It's it's going to be difficult to do installing, which I find it's Windows Media running on NetSuite. It comes out half the time. Get like a kind of a funny display with some animations on it.

1:36:06 So in the last two episodes I reviewed for you National Suicide, which I don't believe you've read yet, John, but I highly recommend it, written by Martin L. Gross. Yes, indeed. A new book which is not available on Amazon, unfortunately, but which I am going to grab a hold on is called Crisis by Design, the Untold Story of the Global Financial Coup and What You Can Do About It.

1:35:17 And it turns out that when they designed these things, they never bothered to encrypt the video stream. Are you kidding me? So they hacked into the video stream coming from the drone? Yeah, and when they hack into the actual drone itself and bomb us with it, I'm not sure. But yeah, so now they can say, oh, they're coming over Abdullah's house. Get back inside just in case they see you. Oh my God. That's outrageous. Yeah, totally. And apparently they just it's whatever the software is that runs on these things. It's it's going to be difficult to do installing, which I find it's Windows Media running on NetSuite. It comes out half the time. Get like a kind of a funny display with some animations on it.

1:36:06 So in the last two episodes I reviewed for you National Suicide, which I don't believe you've read yet, John, but I highly recommend it, written by Martin L. Gross. Yes, indeed. A new book which is not available on Amazon, unfortunately, but which I am going to grab a hold on is called Crisis by Design, the Untold Story of the Global Financial Coup and What You Can Do About It.

1:36:45 What you can do about it? Yeah, I do anything about it. I think put your head between your knees and kiss your ass Goodbye, that would be it so I'm looking forward to receiving that book and this was suggestion by one of our producers which is 450,000 strong and growing by now keep the numbers coming and keep the donations coming no no agenda show calm and Dvorak dot org slash blog na I'm sorry slash na And what do you say my friend? I think we're out of I think we're done. Well, I mean in the way I got one I got one thing that if you want a correction sure

1:37:24 on the last show. The Casper Milk Toast character was a comic strip character created by H.T. Webster in 1924 for his cartoon series, The Timid Soul, published in the New York World. When the world folded in 1931, The Timid Soul moved to the New York Herald Tribune where a Sunday page was eventually added. And I guess he was just referred to by Sinclair or by, yeah, Sinclair Lewis. And anyway, it went on until 1952. Another $5 word you can use at cocktail parties to amaze your friends, associates, and pick up chicks. Yes, because of the popularity of Webster's character, the term milk toast, M-I-L-Q-U-E-T-O-S-T, came into general usage in American English to mean weak and ineffectual. And effeminate. A little bit. Meek. Submissive.

1:38:16 All right, tons more in the show notes at noagendashow.com, curry.com and dvorak.org slash blog. Coming to you from the minimum containment cell in the Crackpot Command Center in Gitmo Nation West, San Francisco, California, I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where it's sunny but it's supposed to be raining tomorrow or the next day or the day after that, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll see you again on Sunday for the early service right here on No Agenda.