Sell Your Kidney!

00:01 Hey, Ricky Ricardo, you ready for me? Hit it. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's August 30th, 2009, time for your Gitmo Nation audio publication episode number 126. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the 17th Century Canal House, Crackpot Command Center in Amsterdam, Gitmo Nation East, straight from the catwalk to your iPod. I'm Adam Curry. And from fogged in Silicon Valley North, I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! Almost not in the morning anymore, it's almost in the afternoon. No, we've got plenty of time. It's only 1030. Yeah, sorry about that. Had a little bit of family biz to take care of.

00:46 That's fine, people don't care. Most people probably aren't even up by 9. Well they are on the East Coast. I'd like 8 o'clock. East Coast would be 11 so they'd be watching football. Oh please. And on Thursday, I'd like to see if we can do 8 o'clock. 8 o'clock? Yeah, on Thursday. Yeah, Gitmo Nation West time. Where are you going to be? Will be flying well I fly back from Chicago back to Amsterdam on Thursday morning and So I got some stuff to do you know stuff Okay, yeah, I can do eight probably 815 cool so anyway I just got back from the haute couture fashion show where my lovely daughter my now 19 year old daughter was on the catwalk and

01:43 She didn't fall? She almost did slip out of the shoes. It's funny when you go backstage in one of these fashion shows, you know, these clothes are not really made for these girls. That's why they're all kind of like one size. So, you know, there's like gaffer tape and clothes pins and all kinds of stuff and shoes. You know, here's some shoes. What? They're too big? Stick some tissue paper in them. Yes, here's my 19 year old kid and she's on this big-ass catwalk and all the nation's press is watching her and the shoe was almost like flying off her foot. I saw it, no one else saw it. It was cool. Every year two or three models take a test.

02:26 Tumble it's always oh, yeah, the best one was on YouTube Yeah, I and Christina I discussed this yet. Please don't become a YouTube clip She's a great job I was very very very proud Papa so yeah, that was so how tall is she where she would be None of your business you dirty old. She has to be at least 5a I just wonder if she's one of the tall tall types or the or the shorts shorter skinnier ones. She's at well. She's uh I'm not quite sure what she weighs. She's she's skinny, but not crazy skinny. She's got beautiful curvaceous Yeah, she would have to be skinny. They won't area. Yeah, but she's five seven. So technically she's a little too short. Oh, she's short Yeah, but she's a celebrity model, dude

03:13 So she gets so she's allowed to get away with it and you know at the end where the where the designer comes out and then he always takes one of the models and takes her up front in front of all the press so of course he took my daughter all the way up front it was cool it was fun and it was a harrowing moment wave and yell hi daddy hi Eddie no but I was there going like looking at me like shut the fuck up dude what are you doing So, anyway, so that coincided exactly with our normal kickoff time for the show. the memos that show that the Iraqi or the I'm sorry the Libyan... Oh in the UK yeah that it's all about oil? Yeah and they mysteriously leaked these documents of course which is based on our theory is just a cover up for the real reason they released the guy.

04:13 and they just basically throw Gordon Brown under the bus, say, oh it was for oil, we screwed up, and then they, let's just forget the fact that maybe they have the real evidence that the whole scheme was someone else. Yeah, I'm telling you, it's pretty blatant almost. I mean, we predicted it, I think actually you predicted it. and it's exactly what happens in the all well we found some memos from two years ago and that of course is exactly why this is a whole oil swap and now you know good doffy son is you know now he's being pushed to the forefront of course he's going to take over eventually you know the typical way it works in the in the world world stage politics

04:51 So, yeah. And talking about that kind of thing, I think there's going to be an interesting situation happening in Massachusetts. By the way, all this morning is all it was for another day at this... Another Ted Kennedy? Ted Kennedy and Ted Kennedy, I mean it's like this guy... Can I just... Before you go on your rant... You're gonna go on a rant, but I'd like to say something before you go on the rant. It pisses me off... I'm not gonna go on a rant. Well, I hope you are because I've got a jingle for your rants. It really upsets me. No, nay, it pisses me off. that here we have... yeah that's old English. N-A-H. N-A-Y. The I's and the NAYs. So I say a NAY. It pisses me off that here we have to have the whole

05:40 coffin with the flag draped over it, yet the American media has expressly been forbidding from showing any young servicemen or women who were killed in the line of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan. You're not allowed to show their coffins, but let's show the drunk. Let's show his coffin. Oh, and by the way, let's put him in Arlington Cemetery. I guess the barrier to entry is pretty low. John, we should reserve our plot there. We could be there now. So here's the deal, here's what I'm seeing coming down the road. They've already talked about who's going to replace him and they're trying to push Dukakis. You're kidding me! No, Dukakis is like at the top of the list but you know who they're going to... I think before all is said and done they're going to try to push another Canadian and I'm thinking that Dingbat Carroll. Well didn't they try that? Didn't they try that in New York?

06:29 Well, they they tried to put her into Hillary's spot and then Carolyn got threatened or something, right? She backed out. She backed out of the deal and I think to be honest about it I think that somebody came up to her and said look it's gonna be a tough go anyway You a lot of flack let him beat the crap out of you Then there'll be some sympathy because Teddy's not long for this world. Why don't you do it in Massachusetts? You can be closer to home And you know they talk that way The old geezers gonna croak man. Don't worry about it. You'll get your spot babes We talked that way. That's the people talk. I I met her I was introduced to her through of all people Tom Brokaw and She's very nice and oh, she seems like a very pleasant person I actually wouldn't really object to this, but I don't think she's the brightest bulb in the in the pack I also met now who's the who's kind of like the loser of the family?

07:26 It is a bunch of them. So it's not her not Her cousin it's the guy who's actually running the Special Olympics who was doing that with Eunice and of course now I'm taking it over Kennedy jr. Maybe I had dinner with him once Yeah, we're still a million. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of them running around But Carolyn Kennedy this was when she was doing the library and she was interested. This is in the late 90s. She was interested in putting the JFK library on the internets and she had asked Tom Brookshaw who Who could help her with that? And I thought I was tickled pink that Tom Brookshaw said that Adam Curry should talk to him Like yeah, cool

08:10 No business. No business whatsoever. I showed her the, you know, here's what we'll charge you. What? You won't do it for free for Camelot? I'm sure that's what they're looking for. Yeah, well, you know what I said there. No service for you! She was totally looking for a freebie. Well anyway, I think that this hasn't cropped yet. I'm just kind of predicting it's a possibility. It's totally possible. But Dukakis is on the other side of that equation and he's going to be trying to get in there.

08:46 I mean, Dukakis of course has a bad rap. I really wasn't following politics that much at the time. In fact, I was pretty much enslaved to the Gitmo Nation system and bought it all with the rest of them. Of course, what killed his presidential run, his career, is the goofy ass picture of him in the tank with the stupid helmet on and no one could take the guy seriously anymore. A classic. It was. That was the Howard Dean scream and you had the Dukakis helmet gaff. sticking out of the tank looking like, he looked goofy man, he just looked like a douche. It was hilarious. It really was. And they ran that over and over and over again. And that's how you don't become president in the United States. It doesn't matter. You know, if you're in Italy, you can be screwing models, you can have naked people hanging out at the pool, you can have questionable romances with 18 year olds, divorce your wife, sue the newspapers, and you're cool man, you're hanging, no problem.

09:44 Yeah, well that's Italy. So anyway, the other thing that's going on, there's a couple of interesting things happening over here. I'll mention one. The US Chamber of Commerce is going to... Yeah, a trial on global warming? Yeah, they want a trial on global warming because they just... But I was reading through some of these reports, especially the ones in the New York Times, and they're kind of... They have kind of a twisted... I got the LA Times version of the story. The New York Times version, I'm sure the LA Times, they've twisted the thing just subtly so people maybe don't notice. Instead of discussing whether, I mean the real issue is there's such a thing as man-made global warming. It's not whether there's global warming or not, but whether it's man-made.

10:33 Right. Now the other, they're twisting this to say that's not, this is weird. You have to really read between the lines to kind of pick this up. But what they're really trying to do is have a trial on not whether it's man-made, not whether it's global warming, but whether global warming is bad. Yeah. I like that one though. That makes sense. Yeah, but it's totally beside the point and twisted. you know, why is it bad? I mean, they can't prove it one way or the other because it's obviously it's not provable. You know, it's like, you know, is, you know, changing the diet going to kill you in 2.6 years. Here's a great quote from the LA Times.

11:16 The Chamber of Commerce proposal quote brings to mind for me the Salem witch trials based on myth said Brenda Eckwurzel which sounds like a witch name by the way who was a climate scientist for the environmental group Union of Concerned Scientists. That's kind of crazy though when your name is Brenda Eckwurzel and you're talking about the Salem witch trials. Well Brenda you might want to change your name okay because you sound like Eucalyptus. Yeah, so but this is they want the EPA to jump in on this right? Yeah, they pay with that arrogant woman that runs it. She'll just tell me Stuff it is that what's her name? I can't remember. I mean, I just remembered I can still see her though Anyway, well that is it that is interesting And of course the reason why the Chamber of Commerce is doing this is because they represent medium and small businesses

12:15 And those are the businesses that will get hit the hardest. Of course. Yeah, because of all the... In fact, I was reading that the Netherlands, speaking of Gitmo Nation East, they... let me see if I have the story here. They have just put out a tender for their carbon trading system. Since they plan to actively trade here, of course, we have euronext the option exchange in Amsterdam, so I guess they're they're on board with the program This is just some W this cap and trade thing is ridiculous

12:59 I wanted to mention, speaking of the Netherlands, that you remember the court case we talked about, about the Dutch royals who sued Associated Press? Over their photos, yeah. Well, the headlines read, Dutch Royals Win Privacy Case! And I found that highly interesting because first of all, I looked into the court documents and they sued the Associated Press for, it's about four pictures, and these four pictures were of them while they were on vacation in Argentina. And they feel that they sued the AP under the European human rights legislation.

13:42 Wherein is stated every human being has the right to privacy and so the judge said well, you know what? Yes, everyone has the right to privacy. So those four pictures had no newsworthiness And they also do not contribute to the broader social discussion Ergo, they are deemed private and may no longer be published. But of course, the judge didn't say you can't take pictures of the royal family, it's just it has to be newsworthy. So it's kind of, it's not really a win. They got no money because they were suing for 25 million or whatever in total. They were? They were suing for 25 million? Yeah, like $25,000 a day that they kept each of the pictures up and then they wanted to do it retroactively and so that came up to some huge number.

14:33 So they got zero money and they really didn't get a win except I guess it's kind of interesting because now any celebrity could essentially say, hey you know this is private, I'm on vacation, screw you, F off. Unless of course it's newsworthy and that is the big question, when is it newsworthy? Well according to the tabloids anything a celebrity does is newsworthy. Right. And of course what was funny is everyone showing the pictures because of course the whole conversation isn't newsworthy conversation ergo you can show the pictures. I mean it's the stupidest thing in the world. It's like okay so but I do like the headlines everyone's like oh Dutch Royals win horrible for freedom of the press screw you they didn't win anything. So here's an interesting one that's that's floating around you read this I'm sure you know the WHO which

15:31 is weird operations as the world health organization this is the year the severe warning they have put out yeah yeah now we let me get this straight now I minor standing is when you'd categorize these various viruses uh... one if you have an h1n1 type x y z let's say and you have another h1n1 type x y z it's the same virus so how do you have a severe version of it? well let me just say exactly what they reported according to reuters doctors are reporting doctors quote some docs from doctors out there are reporting a severe form of the swine flu that goes straight to the lungs john

16:14 straight to the lungs, causing severe illness in otherwise healthy young people and requiring expensive, I love this, expensive hospital treatment. You know it really clicked for me when I read this. I'm like of course it makes so much sense. No one wants to be caught with their pants down with a very expensive treatment from the straight to the lungs version of the flu, so we better ram some health care reform through there. I think it kind of fits if there was a global strategy, well done. A little bit late, but well done. Well, this is assuming that they haven't tweaked the virus just to make it a little more powerful. They spoke about earlier. If you remember that, right? Well, yeah, of course.

16:56 They're even saying, let's make it so it kills everybody. What they're doing is they're now saying, hey this is exactly what happened with the 1918 flu pandemic known as the Spanish flu, which of course is horseshit because that was completely different. That happened in soldiers who were sent over in ships who had been, oh wait a minute, vaccinated. And because of the vaccination and any vaccine, particularly with an adjuvant, and you know, hey, this week in virality, whatever the heck the name of your show is, I may be kind of paraphrasing, but from what I understand is if you have severe stress levels, it can actually activate a lot of shit and it can make it worse and it can wind up killing you. But it's not the same thing.

17:39 as the 1918 flu but they're now comparing it to the 1918. Remember they dug that corpse up and got some DNA? It makes so much sense John. They dug up that dead dude, they got some of the 1918 flu, mixed it up, tweaked it a little bit, then we're off to the races. So I'm looking at this document saying the Spanish influenza epidemic of 1918 was caused by vaccinations I didn't know they were giving vaccinations back then for the flu. Yeah, but I don't think it was for the flu. I think it was for something else, but they vaccinated all of these soldiers. Oh, because they had some other stuff in there, yeah. Yeah, they vaccinated these soldiers that were shipped over to Spain, which is why it's called the Spanish flu, and because of the stress of being packed into ships. It was 1918, you know, it wasn't exactly, you know, the Boeing luxury liner. Doctors, of course, are questioning this, even ABC News.

18:42 As a report on that all this stuff is in the show notes at no agenda show calm by the way All right. Well on the topic I found something interesting because I was looking into this story and I ran it ran to an old posting from Kelly pundit back in April of 2005 discussing who the who's incompetence and Mainly about the fact that they're trying to get baby formula out of Africa and they claim that you know Need it because there's not enough breasts I guess but they ran into this you know what is what what what what say what breasts needs to be more breasts you have my attention so anyways they're just it's just a very interesting article I lost the link I'll send you well it's under Kelly pundit dot blog spot dot com and it's from April 6 2005 someone's got to look it up anyway but they were dish he or she I guess it must be a she this is gonna I

19:40 I found this interesting quote from a 1992 book called Malaria Capers, printed by Norton and coming out of Slouch. She says, read here to find out how radical activists have kept the safe life-saving insecticide DDT out of this paramount to mass out of use that is paramount to mass murder. Oh, I'm sorry, that's population control. Go read it yourself, I'm not kidding. And then here's the quote from the book. Population control advocates blame DDT for increasing third world population. In the 1960s, the World Health Organization authorities believe there was no alternative to the overpopulation problem, but to assure then

20:26 up to 40% of the children in poor nations would die of malaria. As the official agency for international development stated, quote, rather dead than alive and notoriously reproducing. But John, are you now coming over to the dark side? Are you finally believing there's actually a group of people who do believe in population control who are trying to kill us? And I would look at the Bilderberg group. That's kind of the guys that I'm thinking of. Yes, what you do so what me muscle did people should go to the Wikipedia and look up Margaret Chan And this is that that ms. Swan type person who's running the wh-o? Freaky she is freaky. She was initially trained as a home economist teacher in the North Coat College of Education in Hong Kong then she earned her bachelor's degree in home economics and

21:21 and finally got an MD in the University of Western Ontario in 73 and 77, respectively. Oh, actually she got her home economics degree in 73, then got an MD, and blah, blah, blah. So there's two docs I wanted to bring up. She's another lightweight that somehow got bumped into this position. She's a mind control freak. She does whatever. She could be Kim Jong-il's illegitimate sister. Look at her. A white paper published by our favorites the Rand Corporation in March of this year sponsored by Sanofi Pasteur, of course the one of the makers of the H1N1 vaccine, identifies parental consent laws, medical homes and lack of access to medical records as main barriers for immunizing low-income adolescents. But they have a solution.

22:18 Listen to this from the white paper. Many of the barriers we identified, while seemingly distinct, were tied to current consent laws. We found that the requirement that parental consent for vaccination be provided in real time clearly limits the vaccination of adolescents in such venues as schools where parents and adolescents are not likely to be together. So separate them, get the kids in schools, and tutor the arm.

22:59 That's nice. That's really nice, Rand Corporation. Meanwhile, in Gitmo Nation East in the United Kingdom, remember those swine flu call centers they set up? Where you could call in if you had symptoms so they could take you through the skip logic as our friend, we call it skip logic. You did two to the arm. Skip logic and then you could get a swine flu buddy to go get some Tamiflu for you. There's nothing going on, there's no calls coming in. In fact, the managers of these call centers are allowing the people manning the phones to play Trivial Pursuit and Monopoly while on the job.

23:43 Well at least you're doing something valuable with your time. So the ministers are the health secretary Andy Burnham of the UK who of course you know they put a hundred thousand people on the phones and it's a 40 million pound operation and that these folks are basically being paid to play Monopoly and probably Solitaire. their on their PCs way to go dudes way to go hey by the way if you keep people out there are gonna play solitaire on the PC play spider And with a full deck with all with all the suits it's a very it that'll keep you busy You only you know once you learn how to play the game, right? You win about 3% of the time about three games out of a hundred. That's very good time-consuming game another John C. Dvorak No job having tip. Yes. So for you know for those of you listening to us, so maybe you're new to the show you're thinking What are these two jabronis talking about? You know vaccination this you know, I just want to say on this very program about a year ago

24:40 I certainly was telling you, anyone who had daughters, please do not let them get vaccinated with this Gardasil crap. This is the HPV antiservical cancer drug which was poorly tested, was known to only maybe protect a child, against or a female against seven of the twelve possible types of cervical cancer and by the way you have to have sex to actually be infected with cervical in this case with this type of cervical cancer. There are so many stories coming out and this is one from examiner.com which will be in the show notes just to show you that we are not entirely nuts

25:24 There are stories here on this on this one page that are just gut-wrenching when you read about girls that died that it became paralyzed and you know and were healthy 16 17 18 year old girls and they took the first shot They had to come back for the second shot. By the way, these shots like 300 bucks a pop third shot. Boom. They die and And it's just tons and tons of stories from all over the world, all related to this horrible so-called vaccine, which of course was, as far as I can tell, probably not a part of the out-to-kill-us scheme, but more like a way to make up for the Vioxx that of course was taken off the market. They had to come up with another money-making scheme. It's all about the money.

26:23 And to kill us. So do we have some clips there for me? I got some clips from you and I got some clips from me. You wanted to play one of my clips? Yeah, sure. Since we're on the topic talking about the medical system, I got a kick out of this one. This woman, this is a kind of a long clip because she's too chatty and I couldn't really cut it down that much but you can interrupt it as you normally do. As I'm known to do. This woman, Sally Satel, and she just finished a book, she was on C-SPAN, she just finished a book, and book talk, she just finished a book called When Altruism Isn't Enough, and it discusses essentially the idea- Explain the word altruism, John. I don't think everyone knows. Altruism means you do, it's like doing something for nothing. In fact, what she's talking about specifically is people who give away a kidney to save somebody else's life.

27:17 which is really an altruistic thing to do and she points out that you know everybody in the process from the kidney bank to the doctors to the nurses to everybody and their sister in the hospitals they're all making money on this transaction except the person who actually gave their kidney. There's big money in them as spare parts. And so she makes the argument that there should be a market for certain things. In other words, if you feel like selling your kidney for $50,000 because you could use the money and you're healthy, why not? You should be able to do that. Yeah. Well, this is what these guys in New Jersey were doing, right? The rabbis, they were all involved with organ trade. I mean, it's a billion dollar business.

28:00 But the idea is that it should be legalized, she thinks, and you know, even though I know what the counter argument is. Well, if that's true, then everybody in China will be giving up their kidneys because, you know, it's going to be a human, you know, disastrous humanness and that. And the other thing, so she goes on and on, she discusses part of this, and then at the very end, that's why you have to listen to the whole thing, you all of a sudden realize, oh wait a minute, there is a vested interest interest in here in this whole scheme of things to actually keep kidneys off the market. I wonder what group could that be? And you kind of listen to this clip and you'll see this. Sensible saves money and saves lives. Thank you for bringing up the public. In the book, in fact, one of the appendices is... Well that's funny. I love how she slips in appendices. No pun intended by the way. ...covers the literature on polling data and there have been surveys and polls done and...

28:55 The great preponderance of these surveys have found that the majority of people are very receptive to this concept. And surprisingly so, even because they've often been in these questionnaires, have often set up a market system. You know, these are your choices. We pay or we do this or we do that. But cash is one of the, and still people will say, well, something we should think about. So that's, I think you're right. I'm liking this. I'm thinking we need to set up a trading system, John. This could be a complete computerized market. Huh, like cap and trade. Or, you know, like pork bellies. Anyway, go on. The case, I think, with the public is way out ahead of the experts. As I alluded to before, you asked about where the resistance is coming from.

29:46 One major obstacle is the National Kidney Foundation. They're cheapening the gift, a logic that I find kind of inscrutable. What's especially surprising about the National Kidney Foundation is that they were once very much in favor of doing pilot studies on incentives. Up until the early 90s, late, late, wait a minute, through the 90s, excuse me. They kind of changed their tune in 2000. I have theories, although frankly I'm not exactly sure why. I think it had to do with a change in membership of their board. There's someone on it who is a very outspoken opponent.

30:26 And so the National Kidney Foundation is not much of a help to us here. And unfortunately, they are considered a grassroots organization. They're not a grassroots organization. They're an organization of professionals. They have close ties with the dialysis industry, which is fine. You want the dialysis industry to have the best. I'd love for them to be out of business, but not because they're a bad industry. I just wish people didn't need dialysis. Dialysis of course. Yeah, that makes so much sense. You know, I have to say, of course, you know, I think the strongest argument against a free trade in organs is that, you know, the worry would then be that people with no money wouldn't be able to afford the spare parts. But are you allowed to donate your own kidney to your own child or parent or friend or anybody you want to? You're allowed to do that, right? Yeah.

31:30 In fact, there was a hilarious 30 Rock episode this last season where this guy finally finds his dad and then the first thing that dad wants is his kidney because he's got a bad kidney. Anyway, but of course that was the expensive dialysis business. Yeah, of course. That's why we keep it illegal. It is illegal. I presume right? Oh, yes. Yeah, you can't go around selling your kidney at the to the highest bidder, but you can give it away if you want. Yeah, that's okay. And that's what she mentioned, this cheapens the gift quote, which is apparently one of the arguments that the Kinney Foundation uses. No, no, you can't sell it because then it cheapens the gift. It's not, you know, you are giving away the kidney. You don't want a cheap gift.

32:21 I mean, you know you pay you keep selling it as it's just cheapening the gift the gift the gift I'm looking cuz there was I saw a story about the I can find this I actually I skipped the story But now you brought this up. It's it kind of fits right in hmm Maybe won't be able to find it, but it was it was exactly about this and it is a billion dollar industry the illegal trade of organs It's huge and then you honestly if Here it is 42.9 euros per arm. Let me see Yeah, let me see how come this thing I

33:01 You can see the problem here, but the same time That by the way is a cut off my arm. That's a current market price German company Okay, if I go one-armed listen to this the German I'm just I haven't read this the German company is Tutujin's business in body parts is as secretive as it is lucrative. It extracts bones from corpses in the Ukraine to manufacture medical products as part of a global market worth billions that is centered in the United States. Huh. Go figure. You can read through that. I'll put that in the show notes for sure. Yeah, but that's... hmm. Well,

33:43 I'll tell you though if if a loved one of mine needed an organ and And we're on a waiting list you can better believe I'd be scouring Craigslist I'll be looking for him. I'll be looking for some some organs. I don't think you can stop that Craig's list isn't that where they usually show up on Craigslist? Yeah, right you listen with the curse yeah Notice by the way talking about hookers Yes, I have a Timothy Geithner clip ready or are we talking about something else? Oh you have a Timber? Play the Geithner clip. Geithner was interviewed on something by the Fine Murdoch publication known as the Wall Street Journal. And I didn't know this existed. It's actually very cool. It's the Dig Dialogue with Double G.

34:34 So there's like dig questions and then the the questions that get the most digs are then asked in this this Dude, Alan, whatever his name is. He actually starts off. Well, you know, I'm just kind of the facilitator here So in other words all these questions that are really creepy that you're about to get, you know They're not really my questions, but their questions from real people And of course these these stories which are and they're good questions only have like 500 digs So it's not a lot of not a lot of people that actually we actually posted this video on the blog at the bark org slash blog for anyone interested Yeah, so a couple of clips from that And of course the questions we really want to know are, you know, hey, you've got all these, all these like Goldman dudes running around, you know, is that okay? And so I have a part of the question and then Geithner's answer which is just exceptional. That's a serious question that lies behind this. There's another question here. It's the fifth question from KeyTHB with 579 digs. 579 digs. It's like no one gives a shit.

33:43 I'll tell you though if if a loved one of mine needed an organ and And we're on a waiting list you can better believe I'd be scouring Craigslist I'll be looking for him. I'll be looking for some some organs. I don't think you can stop that Craig's list isn't that where they usually show up on Craigslist? Yeah, right you listen with the curse yeah Notice by the way talking about hookers Yes, I have a Timothy Geithner clip ready or are we talking about something else? Oh you have a Timber? Play the Geithner clip. Geithner was interviewed on something by the Fine Murdoch publication known as the Wall Street Journal. And I didn't know this existed. It's actually very cool. It's the Dig Dialogue with Double G.

34:34 So there's like dig questions and then the the questions that get the most digs are then asked in this this Dude, Alan, whatever his name is. He actually starts off. Well, you know, I'm just kind of the facilitator here So in other words all these questions that are really creepy that you're about to get, you know They're not really my questions, but their questions from real people And of course these these stories which are and they're good questions only have like 500 digs So it's not a lot of not a lot of people that actually we actually posted this video on the blog at the bark org slash blog for anyone interested Yeah, so a couple of clips from that And of course the questions we really want to know are, you know, hey, you've got all these, all these like Goldman dudes running around, you know, is that okay? And so I have a part of the question and then Geithner's answer which is just exceptional. That's a serious question that lies behind this. There's another question here. It's the fifth question from KeyTHB with 579 digs. 579 digs. It's like no one gives a shit.

35:36 Exactly. No one cares. By the way, Britney Spears, no underwear stepping out of her car? 10,000 digs. I feel about the revolving door between high job positions in the Treasury Department and Goldman Sachs. You worked for Bob Rubin who ran Goldman Sachs before he was Treasury Secretary. I worked for him as a civil servant. I love how he's like saying, I'm not a part of Goldman Sachs, I'm not a part of those guys, I have nothing to do with them, I just work for them as a civil servant. but while he was treasury secretary. And while he was treasury secretary, not at Goldman Sachs. He wasn't at Goldman. I have nothing to do with Goldman. Nothing at all. Not at Goldman Sachs. Not at Goldman Sachs. You, uh, Hank Paulson. Timmy Geithner. Timmy Geithner. Do you think that kid was like pestered at school with that big head of his? Like, Timmy is a dork.

36:20 And he can't get laid. Am I mistaken? That can't be, that cannot be happening. There's no lobbyists here. I think what you really meant to say was you're gonna have only lobbyists. Oh, okay. I misunderstood. Clearly this makes some people nervous. These are, let me just say, these are deeply honorable men. Okay, that's where I lost it. These are deeply honorable men. Oh yes. These are men who are deeply honorable.

37:13 Great public statesmen. They're deeply honorable, you gotta keep that clip. Great public statesmen, okay? Willing to come serve their country. Dude, if you ask me to be in the Treasury, I'd show up! I'd be there in a heartbeat, no problemo, buddy! I'd be deeply, deeply dedicated and exceptional. In very challenging times, and... Give them a medal, Timmy! Did exceptionally good things for the country. It's very important to recognize that. We're in... I wish he could tell us which exceptionally good things they did for the country, but he kind of skips over that. Well, we have to recognize it besides the point. Yeah, recognize it no matter. We have to recognize it. You shall recognize. Recognize exactly what they did, you fools. Don't you understand? You will obey me. ...position where this government was forced to do exceptional things to save the economy from the brink of catastrophe.

38:08 Which of course hasn't worked because we're still on the brink. What would we be saying? You said save us from the brink. Shouldn't we be saving us from the catastrophe? No, just the brink. No big deal. Just the brink. Just the brink. And the people of this country need to make sure we have people in these jobs here with experience and markets. So as we negotiate with these... Experience and manipulating markets. ... firms. to make to protect the taxpayer make sure we're getting our money back that we have people that understand these markets can actually understand so we will always be as the Treasury has always done we always be looking to people with experience in the financial community in business community come in these jobs because that is important for the American people and so there was no one else of all the

38:50 all the financial wizards in the world, they all had to come from Goldman Sachs because they're exceptional men who are dedicated to their country. It's impossible to find them anywhere else at a... Goldman is... they're the Valhalla of finance. Wouldn't you agree, John? Must be. Just one important fact. We're making some progress in You know bankrupting the country ready in walking back some of the broadened investment Walking back some of the bro. What is I love not seeing the video I love just listening to it because the words have so much more importance importance when he says

39:26 We're having some success walking back some of the... What does that mean, walking it back? Is it like a pivotal satchel? This guy's worse than Vivek Kundra. Is it like a fanny pack full of money or something coming... walking back? Oh, hey, Timmy, here's your money. ...the government had to make in the industry and we're doing a relatively good job at earning a good return for the taxpayer. Just to give you one example... The average return we've had on the $80 billion of capital of investments the government made that we've now had repaid, the average return for us is roughly 16% in annual rate. 16% annual rate, so that doesn't mean they actually...

40:04 paid the money back that's just the six they're paying sixteen percent interest or i don't know it's vague to me it's very somebody's paid back a bunch of us pay back by goldman that did which they use no no no no the gold the gold listen we said it's the goldman deal i think with the goldman thing he calls it can you talk about the goldman sachs investment higher than that higher than six i think the goldman thing is in the in the mid twenties the goldman thing okay i'm gonna think it's the thing all right at goldman we have things But the important thing is that you need to have people in these jobs. These are complicated, difficult in any times. They're exceptionally difficult, complicated in a crisis like this. And the American people need to have people here who understand and can negotiate effectively, can be on the other side of things to make sure we're protecting the financial interests of the American people. And I totally agree. It's just, it's amazing that they're only to be found at Goldman Sachs. Now, I've got another clip.

40:59 which is about all the phone calls that went back and forth between paulson and the c e o of goldman sachs of course this is what paulson was uh... Being interrogated about it is my compulsion didn't do email. I hope this is more interesting than the last clip You didn't like that clip. No, it's kind of boring Well, I think you'll find this one rather interesting because now he actually explains with all these exceptional men did see you've got to listen to these things and sequence a key period last September September 15th Lehman Brothers is allowed to fail Lehman a major competitor of Goldman Sachs next day AIG is bailed out by and of course

41:37 eight billion dollars of that bailout went straight to Goldman Sachs. By the government. AIG was on the other side of numerous credit default swaps that Goldman Sachs was involved in. During that week we now know that Lloyd Blankfein, the head of Goldman Sachs, was on the phone a couple dozen times with Secretary Paulson, talking about their golf game. He says he was on the phone some with you that same week. Are you surprised that that gives people a sense of inappropriate contact between these institutions? Now, listen closely to what he says about these exceptional men, all these great guys at Goldman Sachs, all these statesmen, all these patriots, what they did. Alan, like the things we've been through as a country, we still face, have made the American people just deeply angry and frustrated and... Angly, angly. Skeptical.

42:26 about the quality of judges made by this government. It's a completely understandable thing and we have been forced to do just extraordinary things and frankly offensive things. Thank you. Offensive things. So what is it? Extraordinary? Offensive? What does that mean, much less Goldman Sachs?

43:10 Take it from Timmy. Timmy says, I'm completely confident there was no gambling going on here. I won't play the rest of it. Well, I think that's pretty apparent. He's not going to say anything. You want to hear his answer about his own tax evasion? Oh yeah, yeah that's right, I forgot he's a tax evader. Yeah, like seven years worth of taxes. He, oh I'm sorry, I forgot to pay. So of course the question is, hey is it too difficult to figure out what you're supposed to pay in taxes, Timmy? From Zwent Coast, 690 digs, you failed to pay some of your federal taxes in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004. Please explain. You've explained it before, they're asking you to explain. So he's actually saying, you've explained it before, please explain it again. What does he do?

43:57 He doesn't explain it. you would expect my tax history to be of interest to the American people. It's a completely understandable thing. And one great strength about our system is the people who are asked to do these jobs... This is great. He's already gone off to another topic. He's not answering your question. ...have to go through an exceptionally careful review of their entire financial, personal, professional history. That's good. And a great strength of our system is all that information was put in the public domain, Congress of the United States had the opportunity to go through. Ah, it makes me puke. We're transparent. That's all he's going to say. He doesn't answer the question. Just says it's really good that everyone could find out about it, isn't it? Wasn't that really good? That was fabulous. So of course the reason why Timmy Geithner is interesting is he's part of this lawsuit now that is ongoing about, I think Bloomberg,

43:10 Take it from Timmy. Timmy says, I'm completely confident there was no gambling going on here. I won't play the rest of it. Well, I think that's pretty apparent. He's not going to say anything. You want to hear his answer about his own tax evasion? Oh yeah, yeah that's right, I forgot he's a tax evader. Yeah, like seven years worth of taxes. He, oh I'm sorry, I forgot to pay. So of course the question is, hey is it too difficult to figure out what you're supposed to pay in taxes, Timmy? From Zwent Coast, 690 digs, you failed to pay some of your federal taxes in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004. Please explain. You've explained it before, they're asking you to explain. So he's actually saying, you've explained it before, please explain it again. What does he do?

43:57 He doesn't explain it. you would expect my tax history to be of interest to the American people. It's a completely understandable thing. And one great strength about our system is the people who are asked to do these jobs... This is great. He's already gone off to another topic. He's not answering your question. ...have to go through an exceptionally careful review of their entire financial, personal, professional history. That's good. And a great strength of our system is all that information was put in the public domain, Congress of the United States had the opportunity to go through. Ah, it makes me puke. We're transparent. That's all he's going to say. He doesn't answer the question. Just says it's really good that everyone could find out about it, isn't it? Wasn't that really good? That was fabulous. So of course the reason why Timmy Geithner is interesting is he's part of this lawsuit now that is ongoing about, I think Bloomberg,

44:55 We talked about this months and months ago Bloomberg is suing the Federal Reserve not the Treasury necessarily, but the Treasury of course involved to find out who the Federal Reserve lent two trillion dollars worth of money our money to What banks that was and of course the Federal Reserve says well, we can't tell you that That's your money. You're not supposed to know and then we have Dr. Ron Paul congressman Ron Paul's bill HR 1207 which calls for an audit of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve is saying oh, well, we can't do that We have to separate monetary policy from politics We don't want the politicians messing around with that Do we not in our private little affairs a little bank our little scam that's going on here, but Barney Frank

45:47 Slips up John and he says that HR 1207 Ron Paul's bill to audit the Federal Reserve will actually pass the house in October. What you said would never happen. No, you want to hear him say it? No, I'm not saying that he didn't say it. I'm just saying this this the Federal Reserve is not going to get audited. Barney Frank says it's gonna happen. Barney Frank Twinkle toes Barney Frank says it's gonna happen. Well, his actual words are you'll find the the YouTube hard to understand his actual words in it He's like something. He's got a mouthful of mush. Oh, it's pretty easy to understand. I'll fast-forward to the I'm running a prostitution ring from my house and now Washington DC, but that's okay because

46:41 Yeah, let me fast forward to the bit where he actually says it. Interesting. So the reason why he said it would if It would create an inflationary run. So I guess the whole thought behind this is if they find out which banks were lent all this money, people would have a run on that bank and would pull their money out and that would be an inflationary run. Is that what would happen, Mr. Economist?

47:28 Well, I'm not Mr. Economist by any means, but I can tell you this much. If I found out my bank had a whole crap load of money, I'd feel a lot more secure about the bank. I wouldn't go take the money out. No, exactly. Besides that, all your money's insured anyway. This whole thing is not going to create... If they're starting to talk about an inflationary run, they're trying to set up you know, it's just set up a bank. They're trying to set up a bank to fail. That's what they're doing. They're going to set up some banks to go down. Here, listen to Barney, last 30 seconds. What the Federal Reserve buys and sells, and that will be made public, but not instantly, because if that was made instantly, you would have a lot of people trading off of that and it would have too much impact on the market. Again, I agree with that. So we will probably have that data released

48:09 after a time period of several months, enough time so it wouldn't be market sensitive. That'll be part of the overall federal regulation that we are adopting. The House will pass it probably in October. There you go. The House will pass it probably in October. Barney Frank said it. Yeah, okay, well they probably will pass it maybe anyway byte law just sent me an interesting thing which is a Geithner's notice of resignation what took the job he Here's not of his right resignation to his other things when he took the job Oh, he had to resign from a bunch of things to take the government job, right? Yeah, it was only public service what they are only no public service only he was a public servant He just told us so

48:50 Well, that may be true, what he said, but what it says on this little note that he signed. By the way, his signature is very strange. Upon confirmation, I'll also resign from my positions with the following entities. The Center for Global Development, board member. The Economic Club of New York, trustee. The Rand Corporation, trustee. The Partnership for New York City, ex-officio board member. The National Academy Foundation, board member, director. International Rescue Committee, overseer. The Trilateral Commission, member. The Council on Foreign Relations, member. the group of 30 member, you haven't heard that one, huh? No, those are the people who really want to kill us, I think. The Bank for International Settlements, direct. The Peterson Institute for International Economics, director. And the New York State Commission to Modernize Financial Services, member. I bet you this dude was pulling down a million a year easily in board fees. Says I do not hold any financial interest in these entities.

49:54 For a period of one year after my resignation from each of these entities, I will not participate personally. What for one year? Only one year? For a period of one year after my resignation from each of these entities, I will not participate. Is that, is he saying he's only going to be in this job for a year or what? Well, doesn't that mean that after a year he can hop right back in? That's what it sounds like. Jeez. Here, put this on the show notes and let people deal with it. I don't think people will... Message from John C. Dvorak. Hey, I got a message. That's why you do it, right? John C. Dvorak. Message from John C. Dvorak. Shut up. Stop it. Oh, nice message. Thank you. I think I can have it read. This is great. Mr. Yeah, it's quite... Yeah, this is... Quite interesting.

50:44 Oh, this is amazing. Yeah. Oh, wow. I wish someone would analyze this guy out there doing his public service. Yeah, public service, right? The Rand Corporation, the Rand Corporation, what a lying sack of shit this guy is. I just got to call him on it. So let's go with a clip I've got here since I wanted to get the one thing out of the, One thing out of the way because I think there's a break a breakthrough commercial came out That needs to be discussed a little bit since we were still on medical for a while I wanted to get this out of the way, which is you know, one of our commercials which has the disclaimers the one oh Yes, of course disclaimers as we know look at your pack of cigarettes when it says that you will die a horrible painful death It actually triggers your brain to want to buy them. Oh

51:30 Now, this one is for some, I'm going to get a setup on this. This one's for Cymbalta, which is an anti-depression drug. And if you can listen to the beginning, we might have to play it over, but at the very beginning you hear somebody laughing. And then you hear some birds tweeting, tweet, tweet, tweet. And then she goes into her little pitch about what depression's all about and she says, do you want to meet people? And then there's a dog bark just down the middle of nowhere. It's very interesting, the subtleties behind it. Oh, and you know they researched that shit. You know they've researched all of that stuff. Absolutely. You get your alert to the dog bark. Anyway, so then there's all subtle but then when she kicks into her this girl who's the announcer who's quite good But then they obviously they they've taken the part where she has all the disc and they've sped her up And they've also clipped out a lot of the white space. In fact, there's one spot where she almost talks over herself You know, we could do a three-hour show if we did that if we sped it up and cut out the white spaces

52:26 Exactly now it's what you to play this but the thing that's noteworthy I bring up at the end It's a very short pro and a very long the disclaimers of believable. Okay, this is the commercial for cymbalta When you're depressed, where do you want to go? Nowhere, what do you feel like seeing? No one depression hurts in so many ways sadness loss of interest anxiety Cymbalta can help. Cymbalta is a prescription medication that treats many symptoms of depression. Tell your doctor right away if your depression worsens, you have unusual changes in behavior or thoughts of suicide. Antidepressants can increase these in children, teens and young adults. Cymbalta is not approved for children under 18.

53:14 People taking MAOIs or thyridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take Cymbalta. Taking it with NSAID pain relievers, aspirin, or blood thinners may increase bleeding risk. Severe liver problems, some fatal, were reported. Signs include abdominal pain and yellowing of the skin or eyes. Talk with your doctor about your medicines, including those for migraine, or if you have high fever, confusion, and stiff muscles, to address a possible life-threatening condition. Tell your doctor about alcohol use, liver disease, and before you reduce or stop taking Cymbalta. Dizziness or fainting may occur upon standing. Side effects include nausea, dry mouth, and constipation. Ask your doctor about Cymbalta. Depression hurts. Cymbalta can help. Cymbalta rocks, dude! This sounds like awesome stuff! You might get dizzy when standing!

54:00 So here's the interesting thing about this commercial besides the fact that I like the dog, you heard the dog bark. Yeah, I heard the tweet tweet, I heard the dog and I love the music and how it you know kind of like it is depressing it's like you know you want to it's like a Leonard Cohen vibe there. Here's what's interesting The sales pitch at the beginning, which was very short and it wasn't much of a sales pitch, it was just kind of depressing in itself. You know, you want to meet people you can't, you get it? It was actually very... 20 seconds. The commercial had to run one minute and 15 seconds. 15 seconds, yes. So it was actually... the whole commercial, the whole commercial length is all the disclaimer of all the good stuff.

54:43 Like you might want to kill yourself. They can't even make in other words that this stuff is so weird that they can't even jam it into a one-minute commercial segment and they have to buy a special package because the way TV ads are sold are sold in 30 second and one minute ads there are 15 second packages here and there so they had to buy a special special deal and get a minute and 15 to just keep yammering about what the little bad things can happen to you it's unbelievable but it's not bad John it's really good that sounds exciting to me I mean there's all this great stuff that can happen I mean geez and it's legal I mean why would you deal with the illegal crap

55:20 I'm waiting for the one minute and 30 second commercial which is just laced with it. It couldn't even get to 30 seconds of sales pitch. It was 20 something like 22. But what I never understand about antidepressants is isn't it supposed to stop you from wanting to commit suicide? How come it actually can make you want to commit suicide? Because you looked at your doctor bill. Listen to that. You know what, you're paying for one of these pills? Let's listen to the actual, the pitch here is great. If you're depressed, where do you want to go? I want to go to the toilet. Nowhere. Oh, nowhere. I just want to stay home and be depressed.

56:01 Wait, I want to preface this. I generally don't want to leave the house John this is for you John. This is targeted directly at you and I like it Depression hurts in so many ways. It's true sadness sadness loss of interest no sex drive anxiety Cymbalta can help. Cymbalta is a prescription medication that treats many symptoms of depression. Tell your doctor right away if your depression worsens, you have unusual changes in behavior or thoughts of suicide. Thanks doc. I now want to kill myself. Idiots. Stay away from these drugs. Really? Please. I mean, now I actually want to advocate weed again.

56:55 So, ByteLaw sent us another document which shows Geithner's financial disclosures and in there he did not list the Trilateral Commission. Ooh, missed one, Timmy. Let's talk about our friend Vivek. He's overseeing another fantastic project. Of course. Another 18 billion dollar website? Oh no, much better than that. You know the TSA, the Transportation Security Administration, they have a lot of IT systems that of course, you know, if those were hacked for any reason, that could be serious business. They might not be able to detect your water in your bag going through the x-ray.

57:43 So SRA International is going to help protect the information technology systems from, to prevent cyber attacks at the TSA. 53 million dollars. Wow. For a firewall, essentially. Well, you know, if the public wants to get raped, that's fine. No one reports on this. I'll put it in our list of things to look into. Yeah, there wouldn't be any reports. Why would anybody bother? It's too complicated. So hit my clip just to change the pace here for just hit something, hit mouth or something like that. Our formula is this, we go out, we hit people in the mouth. Obama, change you can believe in. What's the tag?

58:44 So I want to play that every so often. It's a good transit I think that's a good segue clip because it doesn't mean anything. It's actually a promotion for the San Francisco 49ers But I don't think they're gonna run it anymore because it's too light. It's got violence in the So I found this would be a humorous clip play I got I'm watching Clinton Bill Clinton he's he's talking a bunch of liberal bloggers at some big meeting and these believe these people are just like you look at the how would these be like daily Kos and Probably, but it was a huge gathering. It was a lot of people that were just let's just put it this way They're kind of looking at many are shaping and we're talking about we're talking about Hillary Clinton, right? And so Bill Clinton is given no Bill Clinton's giving a speech to these people

59:30 And he just says something out of the blue that everybody eventually clapped for him on this, but I'm listening to it. I heard it a different way. And I know you can just hear it, listen to it and tell me if you're thinking what I'm thinking. Hillary's concluding a trip to Africa now with the only female elected president on the continent in Liberia, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf. But a couple of days ago, She was in Goma in the Congo, the site of one of the most difficult refugee camps in the entire world. I don't know what you think, but I think American secretaries of state ought to be in the places of human misery around the world.

1:00:12 Keep her there is what he's saying. He's saying keep her there. Did I misinterpret what he said there? I'm not sure. I think it's right. Bill, right on. Keep her there. Put her in that refugee camp. She's nothing but trouble. She dissed me. She dissed me big time. That's good. I like that. So for my last presentation, I think. So I'm listening to... I've decided that Law & Order Special Victims Unit, which we've talked about on the show before, is nothing more than a propaganda tool. Of course, we've already connected the producer of that show to be a bestest buddy of George Bush, who of course is still in bed with... It's all part of the gang. So this episode was about teen pregnancy.

1:01:01 and it was a girl, one girl, some gang leader, you know, she decided that everyone in her group should get pregnant so they all got pregnant based on some story supposedly. It turns out by the way the story was bogus. I think the UK had a couple of cases of that. Yeah, and it turns out if you really look into it, there just was some journalist's idea of a good story. But anyway, just play this clip because it has a couple of interesting little cultural tidbits in it that I thought were amusing. Why don't we talk about the father of the baby, huh? So what's your story? Excuse me? You have kids. You're pretty old.

1:01:40 We're here to talk about you. I bet you're jealous. Old chicks are totally jealous of me. Old chi- That's how kids talk, by the way. I have a 19 year old. That's exactly how they talk. Not... Is that it? Could you wait too long? Tick tock. Fidelio, a baby is not an accessory. It is not a bracelet or a pair of earrings or a slammin' pair of jeans. Yeah, just ask Angelina Jolie. Or Madonna, it's not an accessory Not to have one yourself. You got to go get one from Africa This is a living breathing human being that you are bringing on to this earth You think I don't know that if you did you'd be petrified about your future Do you know the odds of a teen mom finishing high school forget college or any other dream that you might have? Life as you know, it is over now. I

1:02:36 going to the mall or hanging out with your friends? Oh bummer! Life is ending! I mean you might see them but if you do it'll probably be in line waiting for food stamps or all of you going to the doctor trying to get an appointment at the free clinic. Danny, make her be quiet! That's enough detective. Do you know the health risks? to babies of teen moms dyslexia, retardation, increased risks of blindness, cerebral palsy. Don't you try to blame my daughter. Oh my god, is she so bad this actress that she actually is stumbling over the list that she's been given to read. You know the health risks to babies of teen moms?

1:03:13 What? When she's reading that list, she actually looks down at the list. She's looking at the list. Oh yeah, cool. Let's do it again. Health risks to babies of teen moms. Dyslexia. That almost sounds like an edit, man. I wonder if the video has an edit. Dyslexia? No, it is look real. Lexia retardation increased risks of blindness cerebral palsy Don't you try to blame my daughter? She's looking down about that read the raft of dyslexia She looks down at something and I just got the sense that it was miss the blindness one. She couldn't remember what it was You know whatever works

1:03:57 Something wrong with our bananas, John. Not ours, but... Oh no, bananas are dying. There are going to be no more bananas in the world. No more bananas for you! Oh, sorry, wrong one. No service for you! That's not what I meant. Yeah, from Angola to Uganda, bananas are dying and the bananas are... Message from John C. Moroni. I'm not even going to look at your message. Bananas are very important food in general, but in places like Africa, and they're dying. Yeah, well we should probably both read about this, but I've been told a little bit about it, and apparently strain of banana is the most popular banana. It's been inbred so much that essentially it has a

1:04:47 a genetic end point where it's gonna be two or three more generations of the same banana and it's just not gonna stop. Well you know, what do you mean? Of course it's gonna stop, John. There's always salvation. You know that, don't you? By the way, this is not the first banana breed that has died off on us. There used to be one that was more popular that we don't even know. You and I have never had one. Hmm, I wonder who could help in this situation. Monsanto! Hmm. I wonder. So I wonder if that what is it so the Monsanto in the story? Let me see I'll have to look at this extra link here I'm sure they are. There's not and we're telling you we're giving you the word up in advance Monsanto get on it. Let me see it's a BBC story scientists from the consultative group on international agricultural research which I think the acronym is CIGAR

1:05:47 Yeah, Hughes' statement saying drastic and expensive control measures were needed. They recommended completely excavating entire banana fields and treating them with pesticides. Not mentioned specifically, but yeah, you know it's on its way. Yeah, hopefully. doing what we can. We need their, we need Monsanto support. I was reading another thing about, I hear the International Paper Company, the world's largest pulp and paper maker, we've been following the paper industry for some weird reason, they plan to remake commercial forest in the same way Monsanto Corporation revolutionized farms with genetically modified crops. International Paper's ArborGen joint venture with

1:06:40 Mead West Vaco Corp and New Zealand's Rubicon Limited is seeking permission from the US Department of Agriculture to sell the first genetically engineered forest trees outside of China. We're doomed. That's called West Vaco by the way. Yeah, well we're doomed. I don't know whether you just can't genetically engineer paper to come out the ground as paper. Well why don't we just use the Sony e-reader with their electronic paper? Yeah, there you go. Just let trees grow. I mean, jeez. I don't understand. We've got plants shutting down in Finland because there's not enough need for paper, but for some reason now the U.S. Department of Agriculture sees a need to put in frankenforests? Yeah. I think there's a good need for that. That way you can make them in a smaller area.

1:07:34 So, I wanted to bring it to do some business that we, you know, our website, for some unknown reason, the PayPal link stopped working sometime around Wednesday, like Thursday. So, our income was off substantially. And I can't, I'm not going to blame everybody for not giving us money when a lot of them went there. But now you can go back and there's a, we also changed a couple of things on there. and I want to go through some of our donors. This is Sunday so we have to do Donor Day. Did we get anyone asking for ringtones? That's the interesting thing. No. How incredibly interesting. It's interesting to me. It's like, you know, we don't want your ringtones. I don't think people actually listen to the show. They're just like, I'll click on this button. Here's a button to click. Oh, it works. Let me give these guys some money.

1:08:26 asking for a donation. That would be okay too. Yeah. But let's go over the donors this week. We had Ian Smith from Cleveland, UK gave us 60. Anyone named Ian is usually from the UK. Yes, typically. John Matthews coughed up another 200. He's been giving us, he's putting together his own program to become a knight, so he's getting there. Oh, he's on the layaway program? Yeah, no, he's on his own. Anyone who wants to do one of their own layaway programs, instead of clicking it just wants to give certain amounts when they feel like it. But as long as they keep their own books, as far as I'm concerned, it's the same thing. And you know, it's all in the database, so it's not hard to figure out.

1:09:07 BC computers or BBC computers, this is BC computers in Bloomfield Connecticut 50. Then we have one from a guy who's given us money before, he gave us another hundred but he doesn't want his name mentioned, he wants John Hawks name mentioned. uh... that's a loss isn't it curb appeal concrete uh... cement i bet you they bank with the mechanics bank his boss needs let's give him another plug john please i think it's a good idea if he's in the cement business john hawk yeah curb appeal concrete yeah DUIhelp.com another fifty dollars tinyempire.com 5150 we know what that means it means we're crazy

1:09:50 Then we got an interesting one from Rodri Phillips for a hundred bucks from Manama, Manama, Manama, Manama. Manama, Manama, Manama, Bahrain. The name of the town is Manama, Manama, Bahrain. Now you can use that in your next market watch column. Manama, Manama, Manama, Manama, Manama, definitely. Alfred Person, and Hamit. I think we mentioned last week from Jackson Heights, the people who send us money on Sunday morning, sometimes they get mentioned twice like Trevor Fosher in Seattle. Now, the one we missed, a couple of people, one we missed, Jake Kelly who sent us some coins, but the one I have to read and it's going to take a little time here, but it's not going to take too long because it's probably worth the effort.

1:10:42 Oh, hold on John, I'm losing you. Okay, Barbara Starr, Senate 16, she wants us to plug Friends of Crowel-Hilaka, which is apparently her old Girl Scout camp. And it's F-R-I-N-D-S, Friends of C-R-O-W-E-L-L-H-I-L-A-K-A. She says that the, yeah, some developers have talked, perhaps have talked the Girl Scouts Council into dumping this place for, Build condos or something and she's annoyed. Okay, and how much does she donate for that plug for that plug 60 bucks? Oh nice. Thank you. So it's 50 for the show and 10 for the plug Since Summit County, Ohio Anyway, but anyway, I would like to encourage people to go check out the new Donation page. Okay, so now it's working. Everything is the buttons are working on the website Yeah, and I added a new button for a five dollar a month subscription

1:11:41 and uh... yet or dot org slash and a and also do you can link to it from uh... no agenda dot square space dot com you click on the shield and it'll jump over to the site we're gonna keep everything there's a so i can fix it when it needs to be fixed i have no idea why those links went bad makes no sense i think you might have to do with uh... a relative link or something And where the domain name change or something like that. That's usually the kind of stuff that happens. I don't know, maybe. I don't know. Just the whole thing seems... I didn't make any changes. I didn't move any of the artwork around or anything. It just doesn't... just died a miserable death. Okay. I do have one more little kind of wacky theory if you're interested. Yeah. Reading through the

1:12:36 At least the published health care bill, which is about the length of Atlas Shrugged. Oh yes, I got it in. It's over a thousand pages. There is a section in there, C11 section 2521, National Medical Device Registry. And I'd just like to read this to you and you tell me how you take it and then I'll tell you my thoughts on this. The Secretary, that meaning the Secretary of Health and Human Services, shall establish a National Medical Device Registry, in this subsection referred to as the registry, kind of like Windows.

1:13:16 to facilitate analysis of post-market safety and outcomes data on each device that a is or has been used in or on a patient and B is a class 3 device or a class 2 device that is implantable Okay So I'm thinking this of course is not language that I can understand because I'm not quite sure what it means to facilitate analysis of post-market safety and outcomes data and why does it say outcomes data and not outcome data. I think this is the mark of the beast getting set up John. I think this is the chip. They've got the chip baked right into the health care. You're talking about heart pacemakers what they're talking about. Well that's a chip too isn't it?

1:14:06 It's not a chip, it's a big clunky thing. Yeah, but your pacemaker will definitely have to be readable. Yeah, I'm not going for this one. Okay, I don't know. I was right on Gardasil. I should be a doctor. Oh God, can you imagine? Yeah, if Timmy Geithner can be Treasury Secretary, then I should be able to be a doctor. Should be no problem. Hey, hit the- play the hit me in the mouth clip one more time. I just want to hear it. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. Alright. That's just the formula. Yeah, just a couple to- That's our formula, this sh-

1:15:07 The United States may refuse a visa to Hamid Karzai's running mate. He of course is the CIA plant who has been running Afghanistan. This dude, his running mate, is so... and I think there may be a rift going on. I think Karzai actually believes in the hat made of lamb fetus skin. and that he actually thinks that it brings him power. Everyone's all over this dude now, of course the elections. He walked out of a meeting with Holbrook, who is the special envoy, whatever that means, the envoy, because his running mate is a known heroin drug trafficker. Yeah, go figure.

1:15:47 uh... so there's definitely some weird going on with the u s and their and their plant you remember that cars i was literally planted there you know bush went over said hey do you hear his your palace you know you just watch it what you take care of everything here so there's something brewing uh... something else that uh... i think we if not specifically discussed alluded to the uh... weirdness of the cargo on that freighter that was uh... hijacked by pirates uh... now from uh... multiple sources are saying hey you know it seems like israel's secret service i'd even less odd was behind the hijacking of this russian freighter because it apparently had uh... cruise missiles that were being shipped to iran yet job there was also city timber so put that in the uh... in the show notes really say lay the wood to on the internet about some else and uh... and of course uh... president obama has uh...

1:16:49 provided some transparency about the search of the US border and customs patrol. They will still be able to search your laptop and any other electronic devices to make sure you don't have any terrorist data that you're trying to bring into the country. Although it should now take no more than five days to scan your hard drive and no more than 30 days for searches by immigration and customs agents. So more of the same stuff. Hmm. Yeah, I know I saw that thing where they can apparently grab your laptop for no good reason Yeah, well that was well I thought that was gonna go away that idiocy, but I guess it's just staying right in there So more of the same anything else. Yeah, the problem is well, oh No, no, right, right, right. You're breaking up. Yeah, I'm watching you sure what? Wow Wow I'm sorry

1:17:59 I think you need to check your machine because there's something seriously wrong with it Yeah, thing is I've done two other things on this machine recently and it came in loud and clear both ways So I think there's just a there's some mismatch or maybe it's this time, you know When we do the show at 8 in the morning, we never we have less problems But we as we go later in the day these things start to crop up. Okay, then then let me ask you this finally John do you sometimes eat tortillas? occasionally do you drink who doesn't do you drink was it to kate or to Kate beer to kate I don't drink to kate I think it's a it's a pee okay it tastes like pee but you might yeah I mean if someone served it to you it smells like pee it smells like pee I don't know what pee tastes like are you are you are you known to play Spanish music sometimes

1:18:56 I have been known to play Spanish music. Well John, then you qualify for the warning issued by the US Forest Service which is investigating and targeting campers who eat tortillas, drink tecate beer and play Spanish music because you might be growing marijuana illegally my friend. And what's the reason for this? Well they issued a They issued a warning and said you've got to be on the lookout for campers in Colorado in the national forests who are eating tortillas, drinking Tecate beer and play Spanish music because you're probably growing marijuana illegally. And they're profiling people who actually do participate in these three activities. Senor, senor, the tortillas are going to give us away. But the beer smells like pee.

1:19:55 It does smell like pee. You know when somebody said that once that the Ticotti, there used to be a story that Mexicans peed in Ticotti because they went to the United States with it. And I said what a crock of crap and then somebody at one of these stores around here, a huge pallet of Ticotti fell over and busted all over the place so you'd smell it. And I can see where that rumor came from. Smells like pee. Coming to you from a rather noisy 17th century canal house crackpot command center where I believe the sushi is being prepared. Someone's hungry. I'm Adam Curry. And from the, I see the veil of fog lifting down northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We will talk to you again on Thursday at 8 a.m. Gitmo Nation West time right here on No Agenda.