Sebelius Double Speak

00:00 I don't hang up anymore, because you're always bitch about it. Adam Curry, John C. Devorak. It's Sunday, August 16, 2009, time again for your Gitmo Nation audio publication episode 122. This is no agenda. Coming to you from the 17th century Canal House Crackpot Command Center in the heart of Gitmo Nation East. In Amsterdam today, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. Devorak from the fire-filled hills of California. Ah, it's supposed to end with John C. Dvorak. Yeah, I know, I blew it. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Hey man, that Santa Cruz fire, that's pretty wicked. Eh, that's pretty typical. Cause, um, Tony, Tony the ferry pilot, he said he could see it when he was flying into Oakland.

00:49 Oh yeah, you can see all these fires when you're flying around. Yeah, he said it was like a big wall, a big angry wall of fire. Yeah, it was a problem fire because it was one of those you had to let it go for a while before you could do anything about it. And I'm so happy that it happened, you know, like two weeks after I was there, because I'm like, you know, I would totally get blamed for that shit. How do you get blamed for it? Does your airplane have a lot of sparks coming off of it? No, you know someone flicked a cigarette out the window of their car and that's how it happened, right? That's always how these things get started. It was so dry when we were up there. I'm just like, man, this is just not good.

01:27 Well, so you were in the area. Yeah. Yeah totally notice how dry it was right unbelievable I mean it was a worse though There's a worse fire that was in Tracy because Tracy's where all the wind generators are and so and it's all grasslands And so when they start when the fire starts there the wind blowing 50 miles an hour, and they just have nothing but trouble Yeah, I mean it's it seems like it's impossible to to stop Impossible. So I'm in the 17th century canal house. Connection seems reasonable. Of course, not provided by AT&T, so we should be good to go. They won't try to unplug us. And I flew through the night.

02:07 I did sleep a little bit so I'm a little shaky. So what carrier did you go on? I took KLM which I am liking more and more. That's the Royal Dutch Airlines. It's Royal Dutch Airlines Air France I must say. Oh did they buy Air France or did they merge or what's the deal? Air France bought them yeah and Air France lost I think half a billion euros in their most recent report. I gotta tell you though, first of all it's about, it's almost, it's $2,000 cheaper to fly with KLM. Okay, granted you don't get the nice little duvet. And in fact, if you were to look, if you would Google

02:51 Virgin Upper Class. I wonder if there's a picture because I was thinking of, so I'm kind of off my Virgin Atlantic trip for a number of reasons. One, just the price was so outrageous, of course, they hedged their fuel which means that they should actually be able to provide a much cheaper service but instead it looks like they've just kept it the same. I mean, if you call within a month to book your round trip, they literally charge you Upper Class 7,000 pounds. $7,000. That's $10,000 or more. No, it's more like $12,000. It's ridiculous. $12,000 for what? Is that around the world? No, that's round trip. Anywhere you want? All the time? No, that's San Francisco, London, round trip.

03:33 $12,000? Yeah, and if you do it... Oh, I'm sorry, you have more? Yeah, 7,000 pounds. Yeah, that's about 12,000. And if you do it outside of a month, then it's like, you know, they give you some break, like then it's like 5,200 pounds. I mean, it's outrageous. In KLM, you fly business class, they don't have a first class, and it's 2,200 euros. So that's like, you know, $3,000. But if you can Google Virgin... Upper-class we see diagram. Can I make a make a comment about that the virgin price? Yes, please It seems high. Yeah, and they're arrogant. I'm looking for a diagram because The way it's set up in in virgin upper-class, you know those diagrams of slave ships and how the slaves were all packed into a

04:25 Into the ship? Yeah. That's exactly what it's like on Virgin. And the more I thought about that and the price, I'm like, it's ridiculous that I'm paying to be transported like a slave with a duvet for $12,000. I wish I could find one. Virgin class, maybe it's seating diagram. It's it's really it's eerie. It's just eerie when you see it. I should I should for the show notes I should get Yeah, get a copy of it or you should take pictures when you go away. You're probably not gonna fly him anymore Here it is. This is it. This might be it. Yeah, hold on

05:02 Let me just, well it's not exactly the depiction I wanted to give you but when you see it you'll understand what I'm saying. Here check it out. I may have seen this kind of layout before. There's a bunch of these, holy crap, what kind of a link is that? I don't know. It's like war and peace. I'm sorry. Oh this is the Airbus. Okay so now look at the upper class and you see it's just like you're packed in like slaves. Look at the front. Holy crap. You see what I'm saying? So that of course is your own personal suite. You don't get any more, any less. The seat on KLM goes almost vertical. I didn't sleep any worse. And the food is superior on KLM to Virgin. Oh really? Oh, far superior. I'm always amused by the fact that the food varies so much from carrier to carrier. Carrier to carrier, but it also varies over time. A friend of mine was the consultant for Delta for a while for both the wine and the food, and he was great.

06:00 I ate because the food for a short period of time on Delta was absolutely spectacular. But then I went in the back and it was kind of complicated. They actually had to do more than just throw it out in front of you. And I'm talking about in first class. And so I went and talked to the... uh... flight attendants about it and they would when i you know they make us put poor this and sauce on it and they were moaning so i had an actual work yet because i think she's going to work you know that the so i can do some with a flight attendants are not there to serve you john that there for your safety you know yet that's what they may i know they make that point it is true that it is true we know if if you need to get if you need to have back to it out of that plane you know

05:02 Let me just, well it's not exactly the depiction I wanted to give you but when you see it you'll understand what I'm saying. Here check it out. I may have seen this kind of layout before. There's a bunch of these, holy crap, what kind of a link is that? I don't know. It's like war and peace. I'm sorry. Oh this is the Airbus. Okay so now look at the upper class and you see it's just like you're packed in like slaves. Look at the front. Holy crap. You see what I'm saying? So that of course is your own personal suite. You don't get any more, any less. The seat on KLM goes almost vertical. I didn't sleep any worse. And the food is superior on KLM to Virgin. Oh really? Oh, far superior. I'm always amused by the fact that the food varies so much from carrier to carrier. Carrier to carrier, but it also varies over time. A friend of mine was the consultant for Delta for a while for both the wine and the food, and he was great.

06:00 I ate because the food for a short period of time on Delta was absolutely spectacular. But then I went in the back and it was kind of complicated. They actually had to do more than just throw it out in front of you. And I'm talking about in first class. And so I went and talked to the... uh... flight attendants about it and they would when i you know they make us put poor this and sauce on it and they were moaning so i had an actual work yet because i think she's going to work you know that the so i can do some with a flight attendants are not there to serve you john that there for your safety you know yet that's what they may i know they make that point it is true that it is true we know if if you need to get if you need to have back to it out of that plane you know

06:40 I would say their training does kick in. If you're saveable, they will save you. I'd rather have that than the food, but it's nice to have the food. But what was more interesting was the fact that they had a really amazing selection of wines. And then, you know, the guy went and he did the consulting for Singapore for a while. Who actually run Virgin Atlantic. It's run by Singapore, you know. Oh, that's interesting. So then the food there was really outstanding for a while. Now I know what he's doing now, but he's doing a magazine or something. But the point is that it fluctuates and it goes from consultant to consultant and these bean counters come in there and say, this is so expensive, we should be able to save 50 cents a head. Yeah, of course. And they do the calculation and the next thing you know, the food is crap again. Or like Alaskan used to brag about their food up and down the coast and then just all of a sudden no food. No food for you.

07:35 You will get no food. No service for you! What I like about KLM is they, even though there's a crunch, even though they lost half a billion euros, still at the end of the flight, everybody in business class gets to choose a nice little canal house. Have you ever phoned KLM where you get this, John? Yeah, they give you that little bowls thing. Message from Mark Vantage. What the hell was that? Message from Mark Vantage. Someone's Skyping me. uh... had so they give you the latest coming over the broadcast what's going on so that uh... yes nice delce blue uh... canal house that they have eighty nine of them

08:12 I have one. I have about, I probably have about 40, although I don't know where most of those are, so I started the collection anew. You could make a whole wall of them. You could make a whole... Make it look like a little... Yeah, you could play like Little Holland. You could have a little train set. Yeah! Oh, it's so cool. Anyway, so the food was good, selection of wine was good, stewardess is very, very kind. and they have 110 volt in-seat power which is also very nice I like that. So in other words what you're saying is that you know if this was an American carry those little those little houses little porcelain houses filled with liquor would be the first to go. Of course they're out of here we're not we'll have none of those perks no it's nice you know and in fact when Mickey and I flew together they gave us two you know it's like oh you're special here why don't you take another one

09:07 That's cool. Well, they do that once in a while in United with a good die of a chocolate and that's about it. Woo! So anyway, on the aviation tip, two other things. One, so my aircraft arrived in Oakland and Tony, the ferry pilot, flew it all the way over from London. He took about, well, it would have been five days. He took six because the vacuum pump broke somewhere between Canada and and Vermont and so uh I he did he said you know I don't need it I don't really need it to fly so why don't you just get it repaired Tony that's okay

09:45 And so this guy is he's almost 70 and I stand corrected. I thought he had done a hundred and fifty of these crossings He has done five hundred and fifty of these crossings Wow, he's retired and this is what he does He'll also he flies airplanes to you know from Europe to Alaska He flies him down to Brazil anywhere in the world and I was tracking him on Google Earth I put a link on my on my site curry calm and So he was going over the Rockies and I'm looking at him, you know doing like 16,000 feet for hours on end I'm like, you know, that's that's pretty impressive. Of course Turns out he didn't have any oxygen with him He was literally flying for like four hours at 16,000 feet with no oxygen. I'm like Tony dude Yeah, I did get a little bit of a headache That's like highly not recommended

10:38 You say, well, it beats flying into the mountain. Yeah, okay. I'll take that. This guy was full of stories. You would have loved talking to him. I took him out for dinner. After he landed and he just had he had some amazing story. This is one of these guys like well, you know I was flying this this beach out of Brazil and I got struck by lightning and he was a whole the size of my head in the wing You know, he's got all these great stories, you know, yeah, like you feel so completely inadequate as any as an aviator like yeah, okay, you're like that's pretty exciting so So it's in

11:16 Good yeah, I'm very happy. I have a little plane to fly around. It's not just a little plane. It's my escape pod It's actually a pretty nice plane. It's a it's a 182 right yeah retractable so that's and it has the the long-range tank so you can fly for seven hours and Doesn't nice hundred and fifty knots Sounds like a road trip Vegas here we come Yeah, Vegas should only be about under two hours. I think oh Because you know they're changing the way they're changing the Vegas airport structure. They're supposedly moving the general aviation down to the middle of nowhere somewhere. They're rebuilding that airport which has already been rebuilt. But the thing is with this economy going the way it is, I think Vegas is putting itself into a bind. Yeah, they got some problems.

12:06 It's not going to get any better. This is what the World Trade Organization has been working on for a decade at least. It's like, is it fair competition that Europe and the U.S... They don't want any cheaters? Well no, because these guys fight for every single sale. The exact amount. Anyway, so I guess my point is now that Europe has pumped a couple hundred million into Airbus, it's time that Boeing brings one of them down again. So I wouldn't be flying Airbus if I were you. So the, you ever see one of the, they documented this on some show years and years ago that the actual sale of one of these big, like a $50 million airplane.

13:08 to a big company and how they actually have to do it. They have keys. I might have to dispute this because I've seen this happen too. You tell me what your story is. Well my story is that they hand over the plane officially when they have a computer confirmation of the money being sent. There's all kinds of security based on getting this money from point A to point B so it's in the hands of the company at the time that the plane is officially turned over. Well, there's a couple of different steps. First of all, you have to pay a deposit. Then you pay for certain steps along the assembly line up until the aircraft is what we call green. So if you've ever seen an aircraft right at the end just before it rolls out of the factory, it's actually green. It's like this puke.

13:55 pukish green color and that's before that you know that's like the primer and then you get to do a number of test flights. Actually it's not really a primer, it's my impression that it's just to protect the aluminum shell. Yeah well I don't know if it's protecting you know American Airlines has no paint on it. No no no no it stays underneath. Anyway, they just call it when the aircraft is green. And then there's a number of test flights that are done. So you pay a certain amount of money all along the line. And then indeed there is an exchange of money and keys and they have special crews that go over and then they fly these planes back to wherever they're supposed to go. And I think there's all kinds of regulations if they find something they don't like. I mean it's a huge... I mean you think you can get a shitty Monday morning car? Imagine getting an aircraft that was built on Monday morning. It does happen.

14:47 So, I'm always flying in and out of Boeing field in Washington State. And I always hear about these guys, in fact I've talked to a couple of them, oh yeah, I'm a pilot for Boeing, I fly the 777 over to Japan or do this. And I'm always thinking, can I get a ride on this thing? I mean, why not? The thing's empty. Probably not. It's probably insurance. Why not? Insurance issue. What insurance issue? Insurance is... Insurance is fucked, John, around the world in general. In fact, that's the whole problem. Instead of talking about health care and death panels, why don't we just talk about insurance? Insurance is supposed to be when disaster strikes. It's not supposed to be like a layaway plan for your aspirin.

15:32 When did that happen? When did that change? When did the insurance companies become like a financier for health care instead of for an emergency when you really need like a you know a CAT scan or something really huge you know it's just it's a whole system it blows. So I can't get a ride on an airplane and you think it's because of insurance? It totally it's 100% because of insurance. I'll look into it. Okay, don't trust me must be a pilot out there one of these types of pilots listening to the show we got enough listeners We almost have somebody in every category except apparently in grantsmanship Normally hear about stuff from everybody and we have heard nothing from anyone that could get us a great Of course not because anyone who knows how to get a grant is too busy getting it right now from grants gov They're getting their own grants. They don't want to help us. There's so much money floating around and

16:25 I ran into one called the Bradley Foundation, looks like some sort of a right-wing think tank that throws money around. Well, we would gladly take a grant and then... I'm wondering if the right-wing think tanks would give us money. I don't think anyone is going to give us any. You know, I'm reading this awesome book which is based on a true story I started reading on the plane called The Informant. I think it was made into a movie. It's about Arthur Daniels Midland. About that huge scandal they had with price fixing. What a shocker. So this was in the late 90s I guess? You didn't know about this? You've never read this book?

17:13 No, I know about it but I didn't read the book. It is a page-turner. So everything in this book except for the whistleblower's name who was an executive at Arthur Daniels Midland is true, it's from transcripts, 800 hours of interviews, FBI tapes. Oh my God, this really shows you how fucked America really is and how it really works. How Warren Buffett's son calls up and says, well this senator needs like a thousand bucks for his you know, for his campaign and they're like, well, we've already maxed out, we've already given all we can. Well, just give him a thousand, we'll pay the $9,000 fine, no problem. And it's just, it's all about just, it's buying politicians and these guys, they literally say, we love our competitors, we hate the customer. Because all they were doing was price fixing with this, this microbe, this germ that makes cattle fatter.

18:09 Um, ah shit, let me grab the book. You have to take notes when you read these books. Yeah, the informant Kurt Eichwald and the uh, it's uh, what's the name of this uh... Sounds like it'd be a good book on tape. Actually, I mean it's a page-turner. I'm just I'm just ripping through it. I'm almost halfway through it's it's it's only like 500 pages But when you read about how they have this microbe and it makes So, you know, they they grow this in the lab and then I'm looking through the book to find that name of the microbe while we're at it and they actually they stole it from the from the Japanese firm and then they all you know price fix but not just price fix but also limit the production

18:56 You know, of course, because otherwise the market just starts to work on its own with supply and demand. So they all decide exactly how much they're going to produce, who's going to have what markets. And of course, this is a fine Chicago company. Yeah, well, they know how to do business right. They really do. So when we're talking about wine and food, we should at least bring up some of the restaurants we've checked out, because people always complain that we're not talking enough about food. But while we're talking about food, we might as well talk about the tomato blight going on. We want to talk, we want to review a restaurant first or talk about tomato blight? Let's do the restaurant first because I think we're off to a casual start. We don't want to like, you know... What was it? The last one we had... You get more letters than people. Your show is so informative. I never hear this stuff. Okay, well we won't be hearing much then today.

19:52 Noodles. So what was the restaurant we went to? Noodles Incorporated. Noodles. Oh no, that place. Yeah, I forgot about it. That place was actually decent. No, the other place we went to with Mimi and Jay, we went to, it was unmemorable. I can't even remember the name of it. Well, you reserved it. I mean, I could look it up on Open Table. You know, that's kind of bothersome when I don't remember the restaurant. Well, it was memorable for me because I was just like, I'm just looking at your wife going like, now I understand it. So many things clicked in place for me that night John because of course this is the first time I ever met your wife It's like okay now I get it She's gonna wonder what you're thinking because she listens to the show religiously the only thing she's ever paid any attention to that I've ever done well the she told me right off the it was the absent Brasserie and bar

20:45 on Hayes Street. Absent. And the reason why she listens to the show is she said, I had no idea John is such an asshole to other people. I thought it was only me. She uses that as her line. She's like you with these stock lines. No man, she meant it. She came out with the truth. She says this to everybody. It's the truth. Dude, I was sitting across from your daughter and you two are going at it. You're just back and forth, back and forth. And I'm looking at Jay going like, wow, you want to learn how to smoke? She's like, no. It was entertaining. Mimi could certainly sit in my spot and do the show. She's a bigger crackpot than I am. Well, that may be true. But one of the reasons that I, you know, when we came up with the model for this show was because of these conversations I'd have with her. And then one day it dawned on me, I said to myself, this is just way content. Why don't we just...

21:46 I mean, in fact, you and I have the same relationship now. It's that we get together and we're like really sketchy about actually talking because... We don't want to blow the show. We don't want to blow all the good material. Because it's, you know, people don't realize that there's a lot of people out there, I guess, and I don't think we're the only ones, that actually have content in our conversations that might be of interest to somebody else. And it's kind of crazy. It's certainly not interesting to ourselves. It's kind of crazy not to at least, you know, make it, you know, professionalize it and make it a something people can listen to. But anyway, so the restaurant absent, which was always blistering, I yelped it, I did everything and I thought it was going to be better than it was. I thought it was actually kind of in content. I think the drinks were good, the wine list was okay, but the food I thought was just nothing.

22:38 Um, the, you know, the, uh, the cheese or the meat platter we had as an appetizer. That was kind of... The appetizers were good. This place is really a bar where you'd get appetizers and then get some, you know, something to drink. Yeah, or you pick up some slut. It looks like it's possible. Yeah. Maybe. Uh, I had the risotto, which was actually okay. I don't even know what I had. That's how unmemorable it was. We had, I do know we had the escargot, the snails. Oh yeah, because Jay has never had escargot. Yeah, and they were, they were, they were bland. How do you make escargot bland? There wasn't enough garlic and shallots. Yeah, yeah. It was like bland escargot. You know, it's like what? I wish I could find the name of this microbe. It's pissing me off. And let me get the, uh, what was that? So then we went to this place called Noodle something or other. It was Noodle, uh, it was in Oakland.

23:40 Yeah, noodle theory. Which of course is a take on string theory I presume. I never thought about it. That hit me the other night. I'm like, oh, now I understand why it was called Noodle Theory. Why else, right? It's a little place around the corner of a place we wanted to go to that was packed. So we didn't go there. And I drove past it and I said, well, that's kind of a cute little place. And it actually was a cute little place. The food wasn't spectacular, but it was very edible and dirt cheap. And the thing that impressed me most, though, and I think people who go out to eat a lot have to also be impressed by something like this. I asked them when the place was open.

24:16 And they said, well it's been open for two years and I just made my jaw drop. This place has the look and feel and cleanliness of a place that was open for like a week. Yeah, it did look pretty good. And we had that interesting white wine, which, what was that called? I don't know. All right, here it is. ADM was entering a new era in 1989, creating the bioproducts division. I'm amazed that you didn't know that, John, you as the chemist should certainly be into this. No longer would the company just grind and crush food products. Instead it was veering into biotechnology feeding dextrose from corn to tiny microbes. Over time these microbes or bugs as they were known converted the sugar into an amino acid called lysine.

25:08 L-Y-S-I-N-E. Yeah. As people in the business like to say, the bugs ate dextrose and crapped lysine. In animal feed, lysine bulked up chickens and pigs, just the product needed by giant food companies like Tyson and Conagra. So that's kind of the whole thing. So they basically stole this bug from a Japanese company and then they all, you know, it's price fixing and then the feds get involved. It's fantastic. You read this book, you're like, that's corporate America for you everybody. Right there. That's how it works. Buy off your politicians and screw your customers. And do what you have to do. Screw your customers. Well, that's the way it's always been. I don't think that's new. Well, this of course, was it Herbert, Hubert,

25:53 Hoover? Was it Hoover who invented the anti-price fixing laws? Herbert Hoover? Herbert Hoover, yeah. I don't know. It's possible. Wait until I finish the book. I think it was done during the... I thought it was done during the Roosevelt administration or before then. I can't believe Hoover would be responsible. I gotta look into it. It's just a fascinating book. The informant, Kurt Eigenwald. Interesting thing happening over here in Gitmo Nation East, John, that is worth mentioning before we get into the tomatoes. The Dutch Royal Family sued Associated Press for making pictures available of them to their press clients.

26:43 So they're actually there's oh really yes, and they and they want to not only forbid AP from making pictures available But they want a mandatory fine of 25,000 euros each time they put a picture up and make it available for newspapers or magazines or other media to to grab and got this whole sob story about how it affects their lives the lives of their children and oh boy when I was growing up as a prince I never felt so you know safe because you know people always watching us I'm like well welcome to celebrity hood dude screw that this is it they could actually they could actually win this

27:24 What's the precedent with these people taking photos in public? The Dutch Royal Family rules part of the world. They just don't want pictures of their family published. Well now I guess AP knows what it feels like to have people telling them what to do with stuff that should be either fair use or public domain. It's a fascinating story to see how this is playing out and of course the suit was filed in Dutch court and there, yeah here it is, a fine of 25,000 euros for each day it refuses to remove the photos from their database. Can you believe that? August 28th is the ruling.

28:09 My wife and I feel such photos are very damaging to our family life, Willem-Alexander said in a letter read by his lawyer. It causes unacceptable pressure on our children. Oh, please. Maybe these guys want to be partying and not kind of anonymously. Is that possible? Well, he's known as Prince Pils over here. And Pils is the Dutch word for Pils, P-I-L-S, which is as in Pilsner, as in beer. Oh, for beer, like he drinks beer? Yeah. Oh yeah, he likes to party. And his wife, Maxima, is this hot Argentinian babe. Of course they had to do that, they had to marry the Argentinians because all that... There's a lot of... I think all the Nazis who were hiding out in Holland, they all get sent off to Argentina. I mean, this goes back, man. These are all these families who are protecting each other. This is all bullshit. Well, we know nothing of such things in the United States.

29:13 Let's talk about tomatoes because this is something pretty serious. This comes back to I believe UG99 which we were talking about a couple weeks ago on this very show, John. Yeah, something's fishy. Something fishy is going on with these tomatoes. There's a blight in the northeast that's not only that but seems to have jumped from tomatoes for some unknown reason to potatoes. Yeah, what's the deal? Have you studied this? Have you looked into it? I've just been reading the articles and it's just, you know, pretty straightforward. It seems as though... And then of course they have a super tomato that is resistant to this. Oh, let me guess. Not by any chance treated with something from...

29:53 Well I haven't actually I found it's called a I haven't I actually been looking for the connection between it because apparently this tomato comes out of Cornell and Cornell has a lot of connections to Monsanto but I have not seen a direct connection to this resistant tomato which I'm sure is tasteless but the whole thing you start looking at and you can read that from that letter that we got from a concerned organic grower up there in that area The concern is that, you know, they're actually, it's almost as though, and by the way, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do this if they don't really care. It's almost as though somebody has genetically modified a fungus. Wait a minute! Who could it be?

30:36 and send it out to kill anything but you know to kill these you know that the hot thing going on are these uh... uh... old-fashioned tomatoes these uh... heirloom tomatoes and they can see them all over the place and they're really excellent from the heirloom seeds right which are the only seventeen hundreds or whatever Yeah, and a lot of these are now being overproduced and they're not very good. I mean you'd think they'd be better but generally speaking if you get a tomato that's a little different from what some other part of the world is, it really is tastier. Or you get some really good tomatoes from Italy that are heirloom. This is kind of like the swine flu for tomatoes. The late blight as it's called normally doesn't happen until

31:17 You know like fall and or you know getting close to you know you gotta have damp windy weather it's got to be kind of nasty and now it's happening in you know in summer this is this is new right? That's what they say. What concerns me I think that you know I think there's a concerted effort to to kind of stamp out of these the kind some of these organic food trends and one of them would be uh... heirloom those not that and and is also there's been some evidence that they're trying to keep people from growing their own infected part of the story talks about how well part of the problem is his home gardens they've you know these people are out of control they don't do the right thing and then they go to the reactors actually is actual rules have been put in place now in uh...

32:04 in the United Kingdom about organic farming. Someone's going to have to come by and approve your backyard. Yeah. So here it is. This is actually an article from March 31st, 2008. And this is what I think is related to it. The deadly fungus known as UG-99, which, I mean, what kind of name is that? I mean, isn't that like something straight out of a lab? It kills wheat. It has likely spread to Pakistan from Africa. We talked about this a couple weeks ago. The deadly fungus is being used by Monsanto and the US government to spread patented GMO seeds is the theory here of course. And it's a stem rust. So it doesn't sound like the exact same thing but it's got to be a derivative. It's got to be.

32:52 There's a million of these things that gnaw away at good plants. But anyway, I think there's a concerted effort and I would put the big egg, even though we have some listeners, you know, you guys are wrong. I put big egg in there. I would say, I think the grocery food chains that don't like dealing with the fact that people are going to small farmers markets and buying their tomatoes there or buying anything there for that matter, I think these things are kind of a threat. I mean it's just like what can we do, our sales are down, why are they going to the farmers market and buying fruit there? Sometimes at some farmers markets like the one in San Francisco for example, the fruit is way overpriced but people still buy it. But you go to a typical farmers market like there's one near me.

33:40 that has like some of the, there's a company, there's a lot of growers out there that just essentially market through farmers markets and they'll, if you go to 10 farmers markets you'll find the same company selling their fruit but the stuff's fantastic. And they'll actually deliver right to your door, they have a website, you sign up and they'll deliver a package of stuff to your door. Well you could do that but generally I've never found that to be as good as going to the farmers market and seeing the fruit of the day and see what the You know which was holding it and then feeling it and of course well They also they have samples of everything you don't have that in the store generally And then if you do because you wouldn't buy it you know you sample like with some of these I had a there was some peaches recently one of the one of our gourmet you know ghetto stores regular store You bit into it and it like suck the juice out of your mouth. It was dry and mealy

34:28 So if we were truly evil, John, and we were in fact, if we just were running parts of the world, I mean, of course, what we do is we come up with this genetic seed and these terminator seeds and all this great stuff that Monsanto makes. And then we release UG-99, you know, kind of like swine flu for crops. And then of course you get the Bloomberg article I'm looking at right now, August 13th, just last week. Monsanto Corporation, the world's largest seed maker, plans to charge as much as 42% more for their new genetically modified seeds next year because of the farmers' increased output. Now they have Roundup Ready 2 yield soybeans. Yes, it's Roundup Ready 2.0, ladies and gentlemen.

35:11 That'll be $74 an acre and Monsanto rose $1.57 or 1.9% to $84.03 on the New York Stock Exchange. This is a shares of gain 19% this year. I mean, come on, it's so friggin obvious. It's so obvious. Well, it's too bad that there isn't some evidence that they're like, you know responsible for some of this negative stuff that's happening. Well, there's certainly evidence that that that they're terminating terminator seeds as evidence of that which you know 80,000 farmers have killed themselves over suicide because they've lost in India. Well, yeah still it's a lot, you know, it's Indians but it's a lot. So

35:57 Anyway, it appears to me as though the heirloom tomato is being targeted. And they're also the commercial guys who do normal tomatoes, the normal lousy tomatoes that don't even taste like a tomato but are used on like, you know, the hamburgers that you get at Burger King. You know, because the tomato apparently has a long shelf life. It looks kind of like a tomato, even though it's kind of pale. Against my better judgment, last Sunday after the show, I went out and I couldn't help myself for the first time in 10 months. I bought a Big Mac meal.

36:34 Big Mac Big Mac meal so that meal yeah, so that's the Big Mac the Big Mac wasn't poisonous enough for you No, I had to get the genetically modified fries You know so if they ever jammed this loose on me just in case and and a nice chocolate milkshake And I ate it and John I passed out. I swear to God I fucking passed out. I wasn't tired or anything I just like what I just I passed out, man. I swear that I John I passed out no I you know I think I've passed out from one of these things myself because you would eat one of these things and then within an hour you're like so low key that you pass can literally pass out you wake up a half an hour later that's a good word we got to reinstate that low key I'm low key oh according to the the

37:30 The Express in the UK, milk, meat and egg prices could rocket by 20% because of foreign farmers growing more GM crops, experts warned. UK animal feed which is made mainly from soya could quadruple in price within two years if growers in Brazil and Argentina produce more genetically modified soya which is banned in Europe. I mean this is a total takeover of our food. You know what's annoying to me is that we're gonna have to go to Europe to eat. I bought some heirloom seeds by the way. I hate to admit to it. We're gonna plant them. No, well that's just in case.

36:34 Big Mac Big Mac meal so that meal yeah, so that's the Big Mac the Big Mac wasn't poisonous enough for you No, I had to get the genetically modified fries You know so if they ever jammed this loose on me just in case and and a nice chocolate milkshake And I ate it and John I passed out. I swear to God I fucking passed out. I wasn't tired or anything I just like what I just I passed out, man. I swear that I John I passed out no I you know I think I've passed out from one of these things myself because you would eat one of these things and then within an hour you're like so low key that you pass can literally pass out you wake up a half an hour later that's a good word we got to reinstate that low key I'm low key oh according to the the

37:30 The Express in the UK, milk, meat and egg prices could rocket by 20% because of foreign farmers growing more GM crops, experts warned. UK animal feed which is made mainly from soya could quadruple in price within two years if growers in Brazil and Argentina produce more genetically modified soya which is banned in Europe. I mean this is a total takeover of our food. You know what's annoying to me is that we're gonna have to go to Europe to eat. I bought some heirloom seeds by the way. I hate to admit to it. We're gonna plant them. No, well that's just in case.

38:11 Oh, I see. Remember, I've got the plane, so in case something happens, I grab my heirloom seeds, I'm so out of there. And then you're flying low as they're shooting at you. I can do 50 foot above the deck and they'll never be able to hit me. I'm becoming a separatist. I don't know what's happening. Becoming a nutcase. I think I already was. I think we can still get by. I think there's still the opportunity to eat well in this country, but I think generally speaking the food supply, even though they brag about how safe it is because you have less people getting food poisoning or whatever.

38:46 I'm just not convinced that I mean it's just like you got tasteless food is genetically modified God knows what it's doing to you got all kinds of weird cancers cropping up pancreatic cancer. Oh yeah, there's 50 lawsuits implicating Monsanto in cancer lawsuits. There's all kinds of shit going on. But yeah, of course. You know, doesn't it all tie in though? Doesn't it all make sense when you think about it? We have this horrible hell. I mean, it's one industry helping another. You know, you've got the big ag helping out big pharma because of course we're eating crap so we're getting sick. Well by the way I've got a clip that it has to do with big pharma. Okay. And it because it's the record breaker I'm trying to find another one like it's possible that they're not going to do very well with this drug but there's one on there that starts with an S. Spiriva?

39:38 Yeah, this is the ad. I think it's remarkable. It's a very unusual ad because it's a one minute ad. I've seen this. And they actually go to the 30 second mark. Before they get into the disclaimer about how it will give you nightmares? Yeah, it's a record. It's a new record. They must be test marketing their ads. Because we know that it's usually after 15 seconds the disclaimers come in because the disclaimer is actually what makes you want to buy the product But yeah, this one doesn't apparently hasn't killed anybody yet, so they don't say death may occur I'm sorry, you're ahead with COPD, but I try not to let it slow me down. I go down to the pool for a swim Get out and dance

40:20 Even play a little hide-and-seek I'm breathing better with Spiriva Spiriva is the only once daily inhaled maintenance treatment for both forms of COPD which includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema I take it every day. It keeps my airways open to help me breathe better all day long And it's not a steroid. Spiriva does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. Stop taking Spiriva and call your doctor if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, or have vision changes or eye pain. Tell your doctor if you have glaucoma, problems passing urine, or an enlarged prostate, as these may worsen with Spiriva. Also discuss the medicines you take, even eye drops. Side effects may include dry mouth, constipation, and trouble passing urine.

41:04 Every day could be a good day to breathe better. Ask your doctor if once daily Spiriva is right for you. So this is another restless leg syndrome, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Yeah, well it includes emphysema. Apparently it's a spray. They always have these inhalers, people that have these lung conditions. And this is just a new inhaler, but it's a one shot. You do it once a day and apparently it takes care of you for the whole day instead of having to blast yourself every few hours like the other stuff you used to do. But it doesn't sound safe to me the way they go on it. I've seen the woman, she's doing the backstroke in the pool and she's feeling so great. And this came on at the same time. I wish I had recorded that. There's another non-FDA approved drug which makes you larger

41:50 And it literally say it makes you larger and and feel sexier or something like that It's kind of like a Viagra derivative and the commercial is just so mint, you know It's like the guy's like, you know I really did I have the idea of having fun more often and his wife sitting right next to him Right, that sounds great. But let me tell you the larger thing. I didn't mind that it's like what it's It's like the penis pump. You know, come on, this is bullshit. You know there's no drug that's gonna make your dick bigger. I mean, that's stupid. Take twice as much. How did they come up with this stuff? I think it's a crime that they let a lot of these things... I remember years ago when it was either the FDA or the FTC or somebody busted Campbell's soup

42:41 for having a commercial with, you know, Hardy Meal or Hardy Man or whatever that soup was that they had, where they would show it on the commercial and you see it just looked like a bowl of soupy vegetables. It was just filled and it turns out they had dumped a can of soup into a bowl of marbles. Had to make it look really good. And the marbles lifted all the vegetables to the top. Which I thought was genius. Yeah, of course. That's great. And you know what? Some people might like their soup that way. So I mean, you know, I like I like marbles in my soup. Oh, wait a minute, John. We got a panic. We have a real panic on our hands. Leading U.S. food groups, Hershey Mars and Krispy Kreme donuts have warned the Obama administration the country could run out of sugar and jobs could be lost. This is this is this is a major, major problem for everyone in America who's fat.

43:39 The food producers which include Kraft and General Mills gave the warning in a letter to the Obama administration. They claim that unless import quotas are increased there could be a severe shortage of sugar used in chocolate bars, breakfast cereals, cookies, chewing gum and thousands of other nutritious products. Well you know what? I'm on their side. And you know why? this sugar thing is getting these guys, making these guys crazy because what's happened is that they have a basically, essentially have kind of blocked sugar from coming to the country in favor of high fructose corn syrup. Oh, of course, which is what Arthur Daniels Midland Corporation makes. And so these guys are trying to, although you mock them, these guys are trying to draw attention to the fact that we need actually sugar because with chocolate in particular,

44:28 High fructose corn syrup, if used as the sweetening agent, will not allow the chocolate to set up. But it also kills you. It's like bad for you. Well, besides killing you, but the fact is you can't make a chocolate bar with it because the stuff stays as goo. Okay, well I feel real bad about that. I just think... I don't eat chocolate. But to me it seems like this is probably exactly what I'm reading about. This is political moves where politicians are blocking the sugar imports so that this high fructose corn syrup which is manufactured in the good old USA in Illinois by one of the biggest ones, Arthur Daniels Midland Corporation. Right, in a refinery. Oh yeah, it's nasty.

45:14 in a refinery. Yeah, it's like oil production. Yeah, they might as well have a pump, you know, when you drive up to fill your gas tank, have a pump of this stuff and you can pump a gallon. Just put it right straight into the IV, right into your arteries. That's what you should really do. Well, so let me finish my tale because someone's going to say, well, I had him interrupted you again. Yeah, I did. Anyway, so I've noticed a couple of things recently. They gave Campbell such a bad time, but they still leave these burger companies, because you mentioned the burger, to advertise showing a really delicious looking burger with a big thick slice of tomato and you buy these things and they're just flat.

45:55 and gooey and you can't see the tomato if you took a photo of it. I disagree, no I disagree because I did examine my Big Mac and I my Big Mac meal I took it home with me so it had some you know had a chance to kind of like settle. So it's got to stink up the apartment. Oh yeah, totally. But it did, you know, because of course it's all GM shit. The tomatoes were nice and tall, the lettuce was nice and crispy, the bun was nice and rounded. It was not a shitty ass looking burger because it's not real food. It's basically chemicals, which knocked me out, you know, put me in a comatose state. I think they've gotten beyond that. The food you eat, you know, when the food you eat actually looks like the way it's advertised, that's a good clue.

46:42 That's when you shouldn't be eating it. Okay, well you and I differ on that one. Well, only because I just had one and I examined it before I ate it. It was like a drug. It's not going to look like the photo in the advertisements, I can assure you. Well, yeah, right. Like the car in the ad is the same one you get. But, you know, there's got to be something in there because You're also you can't it's like you take a bite. You know like I need more need more need more. He's gonna eat this whole thing Pretzels at a bar. It's very salty and it's got a lot of fat content And it's it's you know it's pretty probably pretty tasty generally speaking to anybody it was like porn for my stomach I don't know nothing you can do about it

47:30 And that stuff's spreading all over the world. That's kind of the bad news. I mean, when I saw the first McDonald's show up in the Champs-Elysees in Paris, I knew the French were doomed. Although apparently France and Germany came out of the recession. Yeah. How does that work? Accounting. It's EBITDA. They're not really out of any recession. It's a gap or an EBITDA thing. I don't know. So yeah, they had positive growth. I'll be talking with Horowitz about this but there's a chart that's going around showing that it's not the money supply per se but it's the amount of actual species, in other words the coinage and the bills, in the market. And it just had this huge spike. The fact that you can't get a loan is ridiculous considering how much money apparently has been shoved into the system on the sly.

48:26 So you mean the actual paper in the marketplace? Yes, in other words they cranked up the presses. No kidding? This is a chart from the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank. I've seen this chart, yeah. I've seen a couple of these floating around. Yeah, it's just like da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Whoa! Yeah, boom, it flies. So there is a point where, and I think this is just to kind of bring it back to the discussion du jour, which of course is Obamacare, There is a point where you have to watch out that no matter what the government is providing, whether it's health care or social security, whatever it is,

49:05 If the money supply is diluted so incredibly because of the amount of paper being printed or digits being put in the spreadsheet, if we get super duper inflation, well yeah, then we're going to have to make some tough decisions as we call it. I think there's a real valid point there that that's the danger of the government running healthcare. Well, you know, I actually have, yeah, I have some thoughts on this extra, about the printing presses going crazy. You tell. Well, I'm not necessarily against it. Mainly because there's no evidence that we're getting, it's causing inflation. I think maybe we just need this money.

49:46 Because the whole idea of money is a phony thing. I mean you value your gold but gold is just as fake as in terms of it's like why is it make a difference because it's just an exchange thing. I want to buy something from you so you want to sell it to me. I could just exchange my goods and services for your goods and services in a barter sense but to expedite it I'll use this representative value which in this case would might be gold. Yeah, except you can't print up a bunch of gold. That's kind of the point. I know, but essentially you can't print it up. But in 1849 when they discovered gold, it was essentially the same thing. It wasn't done by the government, but all of a sudden all this extra paper, as it were, in the form of gold hit the market to the tune of three trillion dollars, which is today's equivalent of thirty trillion. Sure, sure.

50:39 but yeah so I agree but it's no longer a depression it's no longer 1849 you know so a lot of the world's gold is pretty much known you know we know where it's not it's not in Britain seeing as Gordon Brown sold it all at the bottom of the market for like 200 $200 an ounce douche well I think the most of its in Dubai with it gets turned into chains So, uh, do we, are we going to talk about the healthcare thing this show or the next one? Because I got a couple of clips that are kind of interesting, but whatever, let's go over some of these clips I've got.

51:19 Well, I guess there's your answer. Let's do some of it now. By the way, so this show streaming to you live from the 17th Century Canal House in Gitmo Nation East on Thursday, we will be doing a show but I'm not going to risk streaming it live because I will be on pretty much a deserted island using solar energy to power everything. uh... because it literally is no nope there's there's three g on the island but there's no power where i am three g what does that mean through the g on the island probably could upload but i don't want to risk a stream so even during my vacation we will still bring you a show can i guilt you with that perhaps well let's go to take a look at these clips there's a there's a uh... let's do some real news oh well i'm glad you suggested that

52:12 And now, back to real news. Play the Kate clip. Oh boy. You mean Kate is 8? Yeah. Oh jeez. And now we are hearing from him that he had started up a relationship in May with this young woman, Haley Glassman, 22 years old. Were you shocked at that revelation? Are you trying- what are you trying to do to me, John? What is the point of this? I'll listen to it, but I have little patience for this. It's not long, I'll cut me short for you. I have little patience. ...that he started seeing her in May. You know, I was shocked, but it's... those things, to be very honest, that's his life and they don't affect me directly at this point. Sounds like a diss to me! Well, it is helpful.

53:01 What? Okay, so this is this thing is good. This is the Today Show. Yeah, this is real news. This is the Today Show. So they're playing they have this interview with this woman who is a dingbat and as though it's like important that people know this crap. So then so I'm listening to the Sunday morning, you know, political news shows is a bunch of them. Meet the meet the press so they're harping so that see the CNN is devoting It's all the other all the things going on in the world CNN is like devoting like God knows how long with a bunch of analysis of this including the Including this particular clip and then I want you to play I want you to play the rationale clip This is some guy who's a booze a meat eater

53:46 be a critic who's explaining why this is so important. All right, there is a warning from Erdevera's mind. And why does this warrant time on the Today Show, which is a very fine news program? That's a nice high road sounding argument for Sunday morning TV. Listen, the audience, American people care about these characters. Now, that's not enough just that they care about them. But here's what's going on with Kate Gosselin, at least. People are judging their own lives. They're judging themselves as parents. They're judging themselves as wives. They're judging themselves as families against her. And that's really important. Look it, she is the most talked about, the most discussed representation or image of motherhood on American television. Think back to the 50s with Barbara Billingsley from Leave It to Beaver and all those.

54:36 So he basically just explained what reality television is all about of course. It's about looking at yourself in the mirror That's why it's called reality television. I mean duh But it's just as fake as Barbara Billingsley. That's what he doesn't say. Of course it's fake. It's all put into scene. It's all set up. And they're probably not even separated. Well, this is what bothers me the most. It's just like with a drama or sitcom, like Leave It to Beaver. Unscripted drama. or something like that, at least you can pull back from it and you know it's a scripted thing and you know this is bull, nobody lives like this and you don't expect to be comparing yourself on any real basis.

55:18 When you're making it look as though it's real and there's something to compare yourself to, when it's still the same fake bullshit, I mean this is like, you know, that's why Bernetta always insisted on calling it unscripted drama. Because it was, you know, it wasn't scripted but it was a drama, it was fake. And to start to come up with this kind of rationale like this guy did, is I find it extremely offensive. Well John, this is... yes, of course, the whole thing. Television is offensive. And when I was growing up, when I was six or seven years old, doctors recommended and my mom would not let me watch more than one hour of television a week because it would rot your brain.

56:02 Remember those days? Yeah, you know it was like yeah, right your brain. That was the old theory. Yeah, don't sit here right your boy It's true true I will start watching John and Kate makes eight when Kate says this because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government that I will watch the And by the way, C-SPAN is real reality television and is highly entertaining and I watch it all day long. I love it. I absolutely love it. A lot of people would disagree with the entertainment value. It's so entertaining. It's just like, huh? I can't believe this is happening. Yeah, some of the stuff, well, yeah, I actually listen to C-SPAN too much. I think it rots your brain too, but in kind of a different way.

56:50 So meanwhile, I got another clip here that's kind of funny. Play time, this, you're gonna put the clip you're gonna play is Time's Reporter after I set it up. So apparently some guy died in Berkeley who used to chronicle a street life and they went on and they put together a calendar of all these people who used to live out in the street and or still do and they're basically, you know, bums. Not homeless, they're bums. There's a difference. And this guy This is just a small clip from the longer piece, but it just cracked me up when I heard what he, you know, used to do for a living. Mark Hawthorne, on the streets for more than 30 years, was once a reporter for the New York Times. You know, I was normal for 35 years and then I got bored. For Hawthorne and others who live outdoors with all their possessions, being in the calendar was a point of pride. So, I got bored.

57:40 So, so the New York Times I just want to remind of two or three New York Times people that listen to the show that Don't let this happen to you. I just got the biggest kick out of this guy I used to be a reporter for the New York Times that guys look like He's like pushing a cart. I got bored. He got bored. Yeah, he just got bored. I get it so Okay, anything else well, I want to go through the contributors because we have to we had a Complained bitterly in the last show about our life before you do that before let me get into my story of the week okay, because this is

58:25 I don't know if you saw this, it was on, I think it was carried live on the news. They had this guy and he was like, they were, there was a standoff out in Los Angeles outside the federal building. He was in his Volkswagen Beetle and they, first they tear gassed him, then they tased him to get him out because he had threatened to blow up the White House. Los Angeles? Yeah, did you see any of that? Was he going to blow it up from Los Angeles? How was that gonna work? Well, so of course that's the cover, right? The guy's name is Joseph Moshi. Actually, no, I don't have any of this. I accept the interruption.

59:03 yeah, his full name is Joseph Moshi Barr he's actually one of Israel's top bio-scientists so this is the guy who the real news media says oh he was trying to blow up the White House it's like a serious He's probably into bioweaponry actually. Now this falls on the heels of all these, we haven't gotten into this story which we'll do in the next few weeks I'm sure, which is all these microbiologists that are disappearing and getting killed. Well so this, it may have something to do with that because apparently what this guy was doing, he was surveying the clinics that are happening out there in LA. Have you heard about this? The remote area medical volunteer corporation?

59:49 Yeah, there in fact this started in the deep south actually. This was a trend they would they discovered in Appalachia I guess it's not the deep south but in Appalachia's I think that they could do these clinics and people would come from all over the place and Because you know they couldn't get any health care any other way And so now it's become kind of a trend to pop up all over you know here and there well I don't this is I believe this is the first time ever in the United States that these guys have done this and it was it I'm looking at Reuters. It marched the first time in RAM, which is what they call it, Remote Area Medical Volunteer Corporation, in their 25 years that has gone to a major US metropolitan area. Okay, you're right. So a major US metropolitan area, so perhaps it was happening.

1:00:36 in the sticks. So I understand that what is happening and the reason why this all of a sudden is taking place is that they're actually testing the swine flu vaccine on some of these people and this guy, this microbiologist, he was auditing or observing what was going on and he caught on to what they were doing and that's why, you know, of course the guy will suicide himself, That's why they like, oh this guy's trying to blow up the White House. He's threatening and then you know, and so he was trying to get to basically to the To the Israeli Embassy, which is right around the corner from the From the federal building, but he didn't make it and so they nailed him It sounds like a movie. It sounds like a cheap movie. Yeah, but this shit I think I Think I have to believe it John. I mean this is

1:01:28 Well did he get the word out that that's what he was doing? Did he talk to somebody on the phone or he sent some documents? Yeah, well you know about this letter that was sent from... Oh shit, what is that fucking web page with a lucky seven on it? The senior neurologist who sent this letter about... The Guillain-Barre syndrome and that 25 people have already died from the vaccination and so they're trying to rile up some attention. Gee, I think it's from the adjuvants, even though our friends that do all these virology shows say that we're two boneheads full of crap. We weren't going to talk about those guys. I'm just saying, I didn't say who they were, I'm just saying they're out there. Those guys are jabronis.

1:02:20 Yeah, well there's a lot of jabronis out there. Anyway, finish this story, it's quite interesting. Yeah, so, this is from the Daily Mail, so of course, take it with whatever you want. A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter. The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to the mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins. This is interesting, by the way, I want to interrupt you because I live in a... well, they're not in town right now. I live next door.

1:03:02 to two neurologists. I am going to, when they get back in the town, I'm going to discuss this in detail with them. I'll record some clips. Well, the letter was sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29th. And the letter says they must be alert for an increase in the brain disorder known as Guillain-Barre syndrome, GBS, which could be triggered by the adjuvants in the vaccine. Duh! Duh, I mean you could get this news right here on Noah's Jett. So let's get back to this poor guy that they died. How did he meet his untimely death? Well he's not dead yet. Oh. No he's not dead, but they took him away.

1:03:46 Oh, well he's dead then. He'll commit suicide in the prison. Yeah, he will be dead. But it's just interesting to see that they... They put him in Supermax in Colorado, you'll never hear from him again. No, you'll never hear from him. But it's just interesting to see the headline. Let me get you the link to the story. Dramatic moment! Dramatic moment, man who threatened to blow up the White House is tasered by police after 8 hour standoff. And this is this poor guy just trying to get to the Israeli embassy to, you know, because he saw totally what they were doing at the, I guess it was the Civic Center or something in Los Angeles.

1:04:31 I don't know. Look at this, you just gotta look at these pictures. It's amazing, like this guy, I mean they literally treat him like he was gonna blow up the White House, but I mean this is bullshit. The guys in Los Angeles, okay, not exactly where the White House is, in fact you couldn't be much further from the White House. They got robotic, uh, uh, they got like tanks and shit out there for this guy. They got tanks. Look at it, look at it. They got their gas and the crap out of this guy. They got him blocked in. I feel sorry for the cars next to him. So he's a biomedical expert. So why do they have to taser him? So he can't talk. So all these cameras, the world media is looking at the guy and they don't want him to talk. So they taser him. This tasering is out of control too, John. I mean, they'll taser you for anything these days. Yeah, I know. We've blogged about the fact that a lot of people are very concerned about over-tasering the public, including old women.

1:05:29 Well, they deserve it. Old bags. Here's this guy's bio. This guy's a serious dude. So this is Moshe Bar-Joseph. Yeah, Joseph. So of course they only call him Joseph Moshe in the story. Looks like his first name is Moshe if you ask me. Probably harder to look him up by confusing his name. I thought this was pretty interesting. So again, the story goes that he was auditing and observing the remote area medical volunteer corporation who all of a sudden are conducting a clinic, a quote, clinic in the United States. If anyone says come down to the clinic, don't go.

1:06:25 I like how it makes sense yes and yes it's a clinic and yeah they use it as a test of course the only way we can always tested on the public I mean they've tested LSD on the public they sprayed you know weird toxins in subway systems to see what happens they you know they did military is bit essentially a test tube for all kinds of weird stuff I'm aware feel so sorry for these guys and nobody seems to really care and that's another thing I I would have to say that All these suicides we're seeing of military men, predominantly men I believe, I don't think there's many women in the military who are committing suicide. I mean there's like 40 a month.

1:07:07 Is it really suicide? Is it maybe some shit that's been tested on them and they just say, oh, that was a suicide? Could it be maybe they're working for Blackwater slash Z and they want to blow the whistle and they're getting killed? I mean, come on. It can't all just be everyone's going crazy. I don't know. Somebody that'll eventually, I mean, you have to, I don't have no idea. I mean, it's hard to tell. It seems like a high number. It's a little higher than other events. So anyway, that's the kind of stuff we cover on the show. Now, let's talk about the lead into mentioning people who get contributed over the last week, especially after the miserable few early days of the week. Not bad, huh? It's okay now. We're back to normal. But you know, we didn't get any nights, but we do have a couple of new people that are kind of, you know, a lot of people are doing the night delay program. Yep. Good.

1:08:09 John Traynor, Wilmington, Delaware is one of them. They just do their own accounting. in for 50 this week. Jan, then we got some international for the first time in about at least a month we got a whole bunch of international contributors. Oh nice. So we must have done something in the last show although I don't I think it's mostly about. It was all about Vivek right? Yeah I don't know why the international guys are interested in that but Jan Willikens or Jan. He must be Dutch. He sounds Dutch. He's from Spanga, Sweden, our first Swedish contributor, $50. Andrew Harms from Great Bend, Kansas gave us 51 for some reason. Curiously, at least one person has given us 49 because he didn't obviously want his name mentioned. Probably a Democrat. Don't talk about me, man. I'll give you 49 bucks. Just don't talk about me. I don't want my name on the show. You can have 49.95.

1:09:13 Then we got Tom Diggle who gave us 70 and he's from Maghole, Merseyside, UK. Alright, Merseyside, in the house. Yeah. John Matthews who gave us 50 before he's on another plan, he wanted to say that he's not from parts unknown, he's an Australian living in North Carolina. But no address comes up on him which is interesting, must mean something. And then we have a Belgian guy from it's LEPER Belgium. I don't know. LEPER. How do you pronounce it? I have no idea. L E P U R? ER. Laper. You think so? Pretty sure. He gave us $77.70, which matches and some other people give us 7.77. I think we mentioned, I'm not sure what that means, but Samuel Van Der Plank. Van Der Plank.

1:10:08 Van der Plank. Then we got a, we did get a Netherlands, we got Bart, and this is Grootkerk. Grootkerk. Big church. You know in the Netherlands, when Napoleon took over, everyone had to register. so uh... and of course the dutch as the dutch are they were like the fuck that guy you were just gonna come up with some phony names so you have the craziest names you know so it's all like johnson is john's son you know so they just made up some shit and there's some really really weird name so to say you know how to care could be big church so someone live near the big church or maybe he rang the bell in the big church this a pretty funky ones like flat ass

1:10:51 Yeah, that's some really funny names. I should do a whole funny name show funny and Napoleon. We should do that You're right the Dutch have the weirdest name some are just like what is that? It's hard to believe a family went back that far with that name or no it's a dog Which is never thought never thought it would be you know, just just crazy crazy names. Oh Then we got, and the pronunciation slightly eludes me, but I think it's Mikoya Lachinsky. M-I-C-O-L-A-J, Lachinsky, L-A-C-Z-Y-N-S-K-I from Warsaw, who gave us $146.31, which is obviously a reference to 146.31. No, that's, wait a minute, that's got to be a house resolution. Maybe, but he's in Warsaw. So? That's true.

1:11:43 How about the guy named Alexander Cody Kietka who gave us a hundred bucks and I'm thinking where's he from? What do you think? What's his name again? Alexander Cody Kietka. It's K-I-E-T-Y-K-A. Oh, he's from Austin. He's from St. James, New York. Yeah, I told you. So obvious. I knew it would be something like that. Chris Johnson, Edmonds, Washington, $75. Oliver, here's another interesting one, Oliver Junge, J-U-N-G-E from Berlin. Johnny Green is also recontributing, he's going to build up for the thousand. Lars Sorensen,

1:12:25 from Haslev Denmark. It's an amazing group this week. Yeah, it's a great group. David Roma's in from Calgary, $120. That was a big deal. John Tirada, which I think we did last week from Pasadena and Adam Probola from Bensonville, Illinois. I want to thank everybody for contributing and anyone who wants to get in on these. We need every week to get all these people, which is like... You're forgetting one of the most important ones, which was Mikolaj Lexinsky who donated one hundred and forty six dollars and thirty one cents. Oh, that's not you just mentioned him But you forgot to mention he gave us the whole he gave us the clue and I guessed it remember that right? He said that equals four hundred and twenty one point ninety five Polish Zloty

1:13:13 All right, right. He did send us a note and he said the reason I gave you this amount is because I'll be coming to New York in November to run the marathon So do you know why my donation is one hundred and forty six dollars and thirty one cents? Of course, it said well that's obvious because the marathon is 42 point one nine five kilometers and I was right Yeah, you know, yeah anyone could guess that except you. Oh Yeah, I would have normally done the Zolotys calculation in my head, realize it's exactly the same as some marathon reference and boom. But I, you know, they keep changing the exchange rate so these calculations don't work out for me.

1:13:53 Anyway, if anybody wants to help us, we'd appreciate it. Noagendashow.com. There should be some links there and also dvorak.org. We tend to get nothing after a Sunday show, it's kind of distressing and then I have to like really beg for money horribly on Thursdays and I'm trying to avoid, I'm hoping we get more like a consistent, I mean people have to realize that this is you know a couple hours a week, three hours a week that they're getting good information, they're finding out cool stuff, there's something to talk about over the

1:14:32 cocktail hour and we don't want to get sponsors because the show would be ruined and so we need your help. And I'd like to take a little bit of our kitty there John, I'd like to make it available for anyone who lives in the Washington DC area Or is going to be in the DC area this week because on the 19th the 20th and the 21st There is an international swine flu conference Which takes place at the Hyatt Regency? That's on that Capitol Hill, and I'm looking for it. I'm sure it's not cheap. It's yeah hundred wait What is the full payment?

1:15:20 It is conference plus two workshops $2,785. and I think it would be well worth it if someone wants to register to go and report back. I have the... We should also ask if anybody's actually going to it already. Well, let me just tell you what the... because I have the PDF here, John, of what's going to go on at this particular swine flu conference. This is the International Swine Flu Conference. So there's the breakout sessions. Breakout session number one, Mass Fatality Management Planning.

1:15:58 which helps you develop and maintain plans, procedures, programs, and systems, activate fatality management operations, conduct morgue operations, and conduct final disposition. Then we have breakout session number two, psychological issues, the public's distress of exposure and safety, a breakdown of public services and utilities, and unwillingness to follow government orders. Then we have breakout session number three, business continuity planning. Breakout session four, continuity of operations and continuity of government planning. When the H1N1 flu pandemic unfolds in two or three successive waves in the calendar year, how do we keep government rolling? And of course we have breakout session number five, which is emergency management services. It just goes on and on. Yeah, we need the binder.

1:16:57 Yeah, that would be worth it. That would be well worth it, but you know maybe just get some video And I think we should you know we can transfer the money to your PayPal account Please someone volunteer if you're not already going. I would really like to know about this because this I mean when I see conducting morgue operations and Fatality management tactical operations, you know you got to think Someone's planning something. Yeah, we need the binder and So would you please... It's a binder with all the good stuff in it. Yes, with schematics. Yeah, send some email to us and we'll vet somebody to go to the thing. And if you are going already, and I'm sure there's somebody, let us know and then we'll talk. I think it'll be well worth the investment for us, John, to send someone. By the way, if you work in public health, military, law enforcement or academia, it's only $1,975.

1:18:04 Now that's the conference plus two workshops. So you can only choose two and of course the top of my list would be the Mass Fatality Management Planning. That's the one I want you to go to. Topics include delivery of vaccine and antiviral medication. The world is sick. So we'll continue this on Thursday. Yeah, I got some Sibelius stuff I want to talk about. Oh good. Coming to you from the 17th century canal house in Gitmo Nation, East Amsterdam, the Netherlands, I'm Adam Currie. And from the burning, raging inferno of Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Thursday, hopefully with news from the International Swine Flu Conference, right here on NO Agenda.