Episode 1198 · Sunday, 15 December 2019

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Federal investigators face allegations of document forgery and ideological bias as the Inspector General report exposes systemic failures within the FBI surveillance of the Trump campaign.

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About this episode

FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith stands accused of altering a CIA email to justify the continued FISA surveillance of Carter Page, a move that Michael Horowitz’s Inspector General report identifies as one of seventeen major irregularities in the Russia investigation. Internal communications reveal Clinesmith expressed open hostility toward Donald Trump and his supporters, labeling them as the Tea Party on steroids while lamenting the potential disassembly of the Obama administration’s progress. Senator Lindsey Graham warns that the FISA court risks total obsolescence unless fundamental reforms are implemented to prevent such manipulation by federal bad actors.

Beyond the FBI misconduct, the Inspector General report confirms that the primary sub-source for the Steele dossier admitted to the FBI in early 2017 that the reports were based on barroom rumors rather than factual intelligence. Despite this admission, the FBI informed the FISA court that the source was cooperative to secure additional warrants. Meanwhile, former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko claims Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch pressured him to protect specific individuals from prosecution, contradicting her congressional testimony. In the media sphere, Wired Magazine faces criticism for labeling Fox News a national security threat, a move seen as mirroring the ideological bias found in modern university-educated federal agencies.

Adam Curry recounts the physical toll of international travel, describing a middle-seat flight experience from the Netherlands that highlights the inconsistencies of modern airport security and TSA PreCheck. The segment also touches on the cultural oddities of Sinterklaas traditions, including chocolate letters and rhyming poems, while John C. Dvorak and Curry analyze the digital footprints left by the Strzok-Page text messages. The show concludes with a look at the Jersey City shooting and the media’s hesitation to address the suspects' links to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement.


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CHAPTER 01 / 25 Discussion

Adam Curry Travel Anecdotes, Middle Seat Flight Experience

Adam Curry recounts a recent international flight returning from a service for his father, describing the discomfort of a middle seat between two large passengers from Ethiopia and Nairobi. The narrative details his experience navigating customs in Atlanta without a Global Entry membership and his surprise at receiving automatic TSA PreCheck. Curry notes the lack of stringent security checks for American passport holders returning from the Netherlands.

adam curry· amsterdam· ethiopia· nairobi· tsa· global entry· austin texas

00:00 You know, like ISIS. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. It's Thursday, December 12th, 2019. This is your award-winning GiveOnNation Media assassination episode 1198. This is no agenda. Reading 427 pages of IG reports so you don't have to and broadcasting live from Opportunity Zone 33 in the frontier of Austin, Texas. Captain of the Drone and Star, stayed in the morning everybody. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where I don't have anything to say except I think we beat the sephiroth. I'm John Cena. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill. In the morning.

00:38 We did! We beat the Zephyr even though we're like 20 minutes late? Well I sure haven't seen it go by. Oh boy. Hey, it's been an interesting little week. Well, first of all, before you start off with that, I'm hoping that by interesting you mean the flight back. You just returned from a sojourn. Yes, a sojourn. Yes, for a service for my father. And yeah, so as you know it was very busy for booking flights and it was a last-minute thing so I flew back coach and normally it's coach but oh what the hell no sorry Windows tried to restart on me stop okay Yeah, well you say okay don't update and it opens up the settings window like no no no no no stop

01:38 You have to update. Why don't you change the time? You must update. You must update. I always try to get Economy Plus or what is it? Something with some legroom. It's just a little legroom. So that was not available. I knew I was going to be in the middle seat of three. So my seatmates were both my height, both over six feet tall, The one by the window was a pastor from Atlanta who was hitting the Jack Daniels hard. He's like, I just took two sleep aids, I'm gonna have some Jack Daniels. Don't even let him wake me up for the food. You know, and he's looking at his Bible, he's writing his sermon, he's just getting sloshed. Now he had already been on a flight to Amsterdam from Ethiopia, so he was pretty ripe, shall we say.

02:36 Then the guy on the other side, to the right of me, who I think was a dude named Ben. My dad used to say all this. Right, yeah. I think it was a dude named Ben. Big black guy. And he was from Nairobi. And I don't know what he had eaten in Nairobi, but it was, I mean, I was like, dude, sleep with your mouth closed. The stewardesses were even looking at me going like, oh, you poor man. You poor man. You know, it's like we'd all three have to get up if one of us had to go to the bathroom. It was just a nut, you know, falling over each other. And the armrests, I mean, they're so skinny. So I'm basically, these guys are asleep with a hawk and smell out of his mouth and the other guy is just a ripe mess in my arm. So I can't even use the armrests.

03:25 Anyway, yeah look it's... and you laugh and you just sit there and laugh at me. Oh my goodness. So yeah, otherwise it was quite uneventful but yeah I will say you know I no longer have the global entry system because it's expired and I honestly I really don't have the $450. It's a chip. Yeah well And so that was just to protect, you know, to make everything go faster and easier on everybody. Why should you, you shouldn't be paying for that. They should be giving it to you for free. Well, confirm who you are. I think they actually are, you know, the way it works when you write. And so I flew to Atlanta first and from Atlanta, Austin, then you arrive at Atlanta and you, you know, you have to go through customs and pick up your bag. And I see there's a line at the global entry, but there's almost this no line. There's almost nobody at the regular.

04:23 slave kiosks, so I walk right up. It's the exact same process. It's exactly the same. And then you walk past the customs officer and it's like, okay, nothing to declare, no, good. You're good. You walk in, I got my suitcase pretty quickly, and then you have to drop your suitcase off. And then, this is usually the horrible part, so you've already flown for nine and a half hours, then you have to go through TSA again. And like, ah, you know, I've got all my wires and everything. And they say, oh, and something I typically will scoff at, you know, there was one of these airport agents, so it's not a TSA agent, just an airport security person saying, passports out, passports out, show your passport to the picture page. And, you know, if there's anything I hate, it's being commandeered around by someone with zero authority.

05:10 So I'm just about to say something snide. She says Oh American passport automatic pre-check Like oh how wonderful what a great service I was just about to bitch at her so you got a pre-check nothing checked boom right through nothing out of it You know you can keep your your belt on in your shoes. It was perfect. They don't seem to care about security I don't know what it is Well, that's interesting. Yeah, it was new. So you were off you well, they figured I guess somebody got a clue and they said well You already went through security at the other end. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm sure it was decent The Netherlands were an American and you're less likely to blow yourself up as it were And so they why should you be suffering the medic make the rest of the world suffer exactly. Oh

CHAPTER 02 / 25 Discussion

Lindsey Graham, Senate Judiciary Committee Impeachment Strategy

Senator Lindsey Graham, referred to as "Lindy" by the hosts, appeared on Maria Bartiromo's program to discuss the upcoming Senate impeachment trial. Graham expressed a desire to end the trial quickly to avoid a "circus" and advised President Donald Trump to accept an acquittal rather than calling witnesses like Hunter Biden or Adam Schiff. The discussion highlights Graham's previous ties to John McCain and potential conflicts regarding Ukrainian corruption investigations.

lindsey graham· maria bartiromo· adam schiff· hunter biden· ukraine· senate judiciary committee

05:58 Good for us. Yeah, so I was pretty happy, pretty happy. And yeah, so I'm turned around, but you know, obviously, and I think I was right that they did do all kinds of impeachment stuff on Monday and then again on Wednesday. And then we had the IG report. So there was just lots of reading and lots of, you know, watching it. You know, let me just say something. When the Korean Dvorak Consulting Group handout, you know, clearly useful information about this horrible TV show they've been putting on, which has been ruining ratings for everybody. You know, we made it very clear that this is a problem. And so instead of contracting us and bringing us in and letting us spruce it up, they decide to do it themselves with clips.

06:47 So they decide to play clips now during the hearing, which was... there was no one manning the board properly. The clip started too early, they didn't switch the video feed, the sound wasn't working. They should have brought us in! Yeah, well, they didn't. But you saw this, right? I don't even know why they ran. When it came to the Senate hearings, which were much more entertaining. Yeah, I agree. Because Lindsey Graham was very funny. No, no, I'm sorry. His name from now on is Lindy. Lindy. Lindy Graham was carrying it, is doing a great job, and it was funnier. Yeah, but Lindy has a problem. Lindy has a problem.

07:29 And it came out on, he was doing the show with the original Money Honey with Maria Bartiromo. And he says something in there, because you know, of course, this has to wrap up, then it has to go to the Senate and Lindy, I guess will be running part of that because he's the intelligence Committee for the Senate I think he's intelligence. No no no he'd know that's burr so he's the head of the judicial judicial That's the one you want. Yeah, that's the one you want so listen to what he said about this And there's a couple of gotchas in here which lead me to believe he has a problem But here's what I'm gonna do with the trial. I'm trying to get his over over as quickly as possible listen to what the house case

08:12 Let them present their case and if there's nothing new and dramatic I would be ready to vote and we can do all this other stuff through congressional oversight. So are you saying you're not going to have people come down? I'm saying that I'm going to end this as quickly as I can for the good of the country. When 51 of us say we've heard enough the trial is going to end. The president's going to be acquitted. He may want to call Schiff, he may want to call Hunter Biden, he may want to call Joe Biden, but here's my advice to the president. If the Senate is ready to vote and ready to acquit you, you should celebrate that. And we can look at this other stuff outside of impeachment. Now, so notice what he's talking about here is all the Ukraine stuff, the Hunter Biden, the corruption, which I believe is much bigger than anyone's letting on. And here's Lindy,

09:02 saying, you know, we'll just do all that stuff in oversight. We just let's go right to it. You get acquitted. That's what that's clearly what he wants. He doesn't want a big show trial impeachment is tearing the country apart. I don't want to give it any more credibility than it deserves. Well, it's interesting that you say that because I mean all of this time Yes, they're trying to rush this through. The Democrats want to get this done before the end of the year and before the Iowa caucuses and before we get learn more about the IG report. And yet there seems to have been a wrecking ball thrown at our democracy with Adam Schiff getting people's phone records. I mean, what do you think about that? Adam Schiff getting the phone records of Devin Nunes, of John Solomon? I think it's dangerous. What he did, he was, I think, looking at Rudy and found out Rudy made some calls to these folks. So Rudy's not allowed to make these phone calls? No, he certainly can't. But here's what I would tell Adam Schiff. Do you really want to start calling

09:54 other members of Republicans, members of Congress in oversight. Do you want me to call you to the Senate as part of Senate oversight? What is this insanity? No, I will not. Because I'm not going to participate in things I think will destroy the country. I'm not going to call a bunch of House members to come to the Senate as part of oversight. Now, if you're a House member and you participated, you're not subject, you're not above the law. Ah, and you participated in what, Lindy? Participated in the corruption in Ukraine in the money boomerang listen again How he swallows it and it is part of oversight now if you're a house member and you participated And you're not subject you're not above the law Turn the Senate into a circus and I would tell ship what you're doing is very dangerous for separation of powers remember Lindy was

CHAPTER 03 / 25 Discussion

Kevin Clinesmith, FBI Lawyer Number Two Identity

The identity of "Lawyer Number Two" from the Inspector General report is confirmed as Kevin Clinesmith, a Michigan State University alumnus and former FBI attorney. Clinesmith is described as a millennial whose physical appearance is compared to comedian John Oliver. The report links him to significant anti-Trump sentiment and professional misconduct during the Russia investigation.

kevin clinesmith· fbi· heavy.com· john oliver· michigan state university· ig report

10:46 McCain's butt boy, the butt buddies and they were both involved in Ukraine. They were both there. They know what's going on. And I have some other information and clips later that will maybe lead us down more of the path as to what actually happened. But I know that you got a lot of clips from different, uh, from the IG hearing, I guess. Yes. I thought the hearing was entertaining. I said there's some good stuff. And then there was the revelation, which was not brought up. Until now, about the one lawyer they have, this, oh God, I gotta get his name. Well, he's, Lindsey, Lindy, mentions him and we should probably go over that. This is the, and he's referred to in the IG report as lawyer number two. And I had, and he's a real, and he's a,

11:35 Pretty much, I would say a bad actor if there ever was. And the funny thing about this guy is they have a good article, I referenced it on Twitter, I should have put it in the newsletter. An article in Heavy, there's a... Yeah, we know Heavy. Heavy.com, sure, sure. Heavy.com. Heavy, baby. They found out who he was, they have a bunch of photos of him. He's a Michigan State alumni, graduated from the law school in 2007. He's a very young guy, he's a millennial, looks like it. He's chubbed out quite a bit since he went to...

12:14 to Washington, D.C. was kind of skinny and he looked when he was thin and he just graduated, he was a dead ringer for John Oliver. Oh really? Dead ringer. Wow. And the funny thing is I'm thinking now which is there's some genetic thing maybe that we're dealing with here with this kind of Trump hate and some people genetically look very similar. You're looking at you Jerry Nadler, is that what you're saying? Well Nadler's another example of something else. But So this guy, oh man, the chat room, give us the name of this guy. You must address them as trolls and then they will help you. Trolls, give me a hand here with this guy's name. I can go look at my stuff. Lawyer number two trolls. Okay, keep going. Okay. So he apparently, this guy was all in. They have some good tweets from him talking about how this is terrible and I'm gonna, you know, in fact, I have some of these tweets. Let's see if I can find my own.

CHAPTER 04 / 25 Discussion

FISA Court Abuse, Inspector General Horowitz Report

The Inspector General report by Michael Horowitz reveals 17 "missteps" or irregularities in the FBI's handling of FISA warrants to surveil Carter Page. Senator Lindsey Graham warns that the FISA court risks losing congressional support unless fundamental reforms are implemented to prevent manipulation by "bad actors" within the FBI. The hosts argue that the FBI intentionally lied to a secret court, effectively bypassing Fourth Amendment protections for American citizens.

fisa court· michael horowitz· carter page· fourth amendment· fbi· ig report

13:08 I tried to... You know, while you're looking for that, I just wanted to say, for me the most important things for this show is not so much impeachment, and it's good, it's fun, it's fun to talk to, but Having read this report, when we agreed to the FISA Act, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, this was a very big deal. I'm old enough to remember because we were basically saying the Fourth Amendment doesn't count if it's about terrorism. So if we can prove, and there's all these strict rules, it's a secret court, I know we're not supposed to have secret courts, but it would never ever ever be abused, the process was set,

13:55 That to me is what is is Is out is just outrageous when you know this when you when you read through what the FBI did They should shut this court down and here's let me play this clip IG report Graham on FIS I'm a pretty hawkish guy but if the court doesn't take corrective action and do something about being manipulated and lied to you will lose my support and I know a lot about what's going on out there to hurt us and they're real threats and they're real agents and they're really bad actors out there. I'd hate to lose the ability of the FISA court to operate at a time probably when we need it the most but after your report I have serious concerns about whether the FISA court can continue unless there's fundamental reform. After your report

14:52 I think we need to rewrite the rules of how you start a counterintelligence investigation and the checks and balances that we need. Mr. Horwitz, for us to do justice to your report, we have to do more than try to shade this report one way or the other. We have to address the underlying problem of a system in the hands of a few bad people. It can do a lot of damage. Well, I mean, it's on page 14 of the report and, you know, it's categorized, I think, chicken-shittedly as 17 missteps, irregularities. No! They were lying to get a warrant to spy on Carter Page. Doesn't matter, an American citizen. It could have been me.

CHAPTER 05 / 25 Discussion

Kevin Clinesmith Anti-Trump Text Messages, University Bias

Internal FBI communications reveal Kevin Clinesmith expressed devastation following Donald Trump's 2016 election victory, fearing the disassembly of progress made during the Obama administration. Clinesmith's messages labeled Trump supporters as "crazies" and "the Tea Party on steroids" while calling Mike Pence "stupid." The hosts attribute this behavior to "brainwashing" and an "arrogance" fostered within the modern American university system.

kevin clinesmith· fbi· mike pence· tea party· michigan state university· trump voters

15:39 And you have no recourse. That's what's brought up on the investigation. But I'm going to read Kevin Klein Smith. C-L-I-N-E-S-M-I-T-H. Yeah. Hey, thanks, trolls. Yeah. Good work. Here's an example of a back and forth with him and one of his partners on I am. Okay. FBI attorney to. I'm just devastated. This is, by the way, I was just mentioning, this is Clinesmith. Clinesmith says, I'm just devastated. I can't wait until I can leave today. This is right after Trump got elected. I'm devastated. I can't wait until I can leave today. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Could you put a little acting into it? I'm just devastated. I can't wait.

16:29 I can't wait until I can leave today and just shut off the world for the next four days. FBI employee responds. Why are you devastated? Another FBI employee responds, yes, I'm not watching TV for four years. And then Clinesmith says, I just can't imagine the systematic disassembly of the progress we have made. Oh yeah. We, we, we just got out of college. He just graduated. What are they teaching people at Michigan State? We made, I can't imagine the disassembly of the process we made over the last eight years. ACA is gone. Who knows if the rhetoric about deporting people, walls and other crap is true. I honestly feel that there's going to be a lot more than gun issues too. The crazies won finally. This is the Tea Party on steroids and the GOP is going to be lost.

17:29 They have to deal with an incumbent in four years. We have to fight this again. Also, Pence is stupid. Now, was that your editorializing or was that in the message? That's in there. That's in the messages, okay. Well, but again, that's all true. But again, these guys, these guys have been brainwashed by their colleges. Yeah. I mean, if this guy was older and did this, I would, you know, I'd take a little less of him and a little, but I'm, I'm blaming the schools he went to. He was brainwashed coming out of Michigan state of all places, which has issues.

18:09 I mean, Michigan State was the stronghold where that guy was, the creepy doctor was that examined all the gymnasts. He was out of Michigan State. The school is somehow corrupt. And I'm very, it's just like to see this from this guy, this, this, Clinesmith character, and then to see the article in Heavy about him with all the pictures of him wearing Michigan State gear and goofing around with his kind of six o'clock hipster shadow. It's very disturbing that these kids are out there and they got into positions of power where they could do what I'm going to talk about in the, or I'm not gonna talk about, but Lindsey Graham's gonna talk about it in the following clips.

CHAPTER 06 / 25 Discussion

Carter Page CIA Status, Document Alteration Allegations

FBI lawyer Kevin Clinesmith is accused of altering a CIA email to falsely state that Carter Page was not a source for the agency, which was used to justify continued FISA surveillance. Despite Page's claims that he had reported his Russian contacts to the CIA, the FBI proceeded with wiretaps based on the Steele dossier. The hosts emphasize the danger of a "superiority complex" among federal employees who view the general public with disdain.

carter page· kevin clinesmith· cia· fbi· fisa warrant· christopher steele

18:55 And this is, and I thought this is the worst, this is one of the worst things I've ever heard personally. So, okay, what we got here? Well, okay, let's start with IG report Graham Carter page one. There's a guy named Clinesmith who eventually alters an email from the CIA to the Department of Justice and FBI. And Mr. Horowitz's team found this out, and how they did it, I will never know. I'm jumping ahead here. But when you read this report, what they find is that a lawyer supervising the FISA process at the FBI, according to Mr. Horowitz, doctored an email from the CIA to the FBI

19:46 and he's going to be referred for criminal prosecution. Why is that important? Carter paid... What did he just do? Lindsey dropped a T. Oh, by the way. What? He always does. I think a lot of Southerners drop the T. All right, well, let's continue with the clip. ...to the FBI, and he's going to be referred for criminal prosecution. Why is that important? Carter Page, who's been on the receiving end of all this, the foundation to believe he was a foreign agent comes from a dossier that we'll talk about in a minute. In that dossier provided by Christopher Steele, and we'll talk about him in a minute, they claim that Carter Page meets with three people known to be Russians, Russian agents, people associated with Russia. Carter Page, while being wiretapped by his government, says, I don't know two of these people.

20:39 And to this day, there's no proof that he ever met two of those three. The third person, he says, yeah, I met him. I told the CIA about my meeting because I was a source for the CIA. Here's what gets me. You and I have been talking about this for as long as it's been going on. We've gone over all of this. We knew all this. It was in the original reports. It's taken a year since... wasn't that even in the Mueller report? I mean it's this is so in fact even Andrea Mitchell thought it was egregious and she's at NBC. But there were very clear mistakes made by the FBI in the first approval and subsequent reapprovals submissions for authorization by the FISA court that special security judge who approves surveillance and a particular point was something that is pretty egregious which is the altering of a document to not

21:34 inform the court and and to not inform others that Carter Page who was a former associate Trump campaign associate of the president's was actually also at times a confidential source of the CIA and to not share that information... Wait a second. Her term usage is unbelievable. She says to not inform. What she should have said was mislead. Yes and she said it was a mistake And it wasn't a mistake, it was done on purpose. No, purpose, of course. So who are these people covering up for and why are they covering up for this Clinesmith bozo? John, I think it's so much bigger than we realize. Well, it's definitely pretty big and there's people like, when she says, the words she used were very carefully, she should have used mislead and anyway, back to my flip. Yes, I'm sorry.

22:31 Well that clip was over, your clip ended. Okay well then we go to, okay so now we know what happened was was Kleinsmith, the guy was a CIA guy, he bitched and moaned, he says I'm a CIA, I work for the CIA, I met with this Russian guy but I told the CIA about it and so they, you know, I was working with him. No, they actually asked him to go, he, the guy had a lecture at a conference and they exchanged cards and that was the extent of it. But the point was is that He kept saying this and then so the FBI got wind of it and then eventually they said, well, geez, the CIA excuse is like not going to help us here. And they told Clinesmith, which I think maybe in the second clip he explains this, Clinesmith's told to check it out. Because I'm sorry. Sorry. What? No, I started the clip. I thought you were cute. OK, play play the clip. Because I was a source for the CIA. So they would have you believe that Carter Page is working against our government.

23:28 Not with our government. So Carter Page in the summer of 2017 is trying to tell anybody and everybody, I was working with the CIA, I reported my contact with this person, and nobody believed him. The CIA had told the FBI it was true earlier, but it never made it through the system. Somebody got so rattled at the FBI, they asked Mr. Clinesmith to check it out. He checks it out. He communicates with the CIA. Is Carter Page a source for you? In an email exchange, they say, yes he is. What does Mr. Clinesmith do? He alters the email to say, no he's not. And you caught him. I don't know how you caught him, because you gotta dig into this email chain.

24:22 It would be like getting a lab report from the FBI. The fingerprints don't match and the agent says they do. That's how bad this is. Oh, nice analogy, Lindy. Good one. Yeah, but this is... You know, I think that a lot of younger people, and I'm just going to play old guy because I might as well give into it, don't really realize what all of this means. And it's not being reported on to inform you really what's happening. But again, this was a huge exception to the Constitution to allow this to take place for surveillance with appropriate warrants. And just as you said, to have the FBI

25:09 change that. I mean, even the report from Horowitz, the fact that Carter had worked with the CIA was redacted out. I mean, they're all protecting each other. It's really, it is disgusting and dangerous. Oh, it's incredibly dangerous and people like this Clinesmith and the others that are currently coming out of these colleges right now. And I would put Berkeley... Who, of course, are being recruited in the schools themselves. Let's be honest about it. They don't come... No, no, no. The recruitment starts... No, no. You've got 35,000 students at these schools. They're not all being recruited. No. I'm talking about the average student coming out and going into the workforce, not somebody that's recruited for the CIA, the FBI or anybody else.

26:02 And they come out with these ideas that do well, you know, the right is whatever you do is right, right. You know, you're just doing the right thing for the right reasons because what you think is reality, which was expressed in this guy's little commentary. And by the way, the thing that shows up a lot and Kleinsmith was part of this, was the concept of the unwashed masses. There's a superiority complex that comes out of these schools where the kids come out thinking, oh, Walmart. One of his strucks at it. He says, I went to a Walmart. I think I have it on one of these clips. I went to a Walmart and I could see

26:41 I could smell the Trumpers. Yes. And Clinesmith did the same thing. He had some illusions about calling, I think he called people pieces of shit who worked, who worked, who voted for Trump. I like, this is the kind of arrogance that the schools are creating by, by separating creating a separation between... these are not intellectuals coming out of these schools, but separating these people to make them think they're intellectuals from the hoi polloi. Let's listen to some more clips. Let me play one from Lindy, because Lindy called it, although the analogy is too old for anyone to care. To your team,

CHAPTER 07 / 25 Discussion

Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, FBI Text Message Review

Senator Lindsey Graham reads text messages between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, which include disparaging remarks about "smelling" Trump support at a Virginia Walmart. The messages reveal their fear for the FBI's "organization" if Trump won and references to Richard Nixon's resignation. The hosts criticize the officials' apparent lack of historical knowledge and blame their "propaganda factory" Ivy League educations.

peter strzok· lisa page· fbi· richard nixon· watergate· ivy league

27:29 you were able to uncover and discover abuse of power I never believed would actually exist in 2019. How bad is it? Is this, it was as if J. Edgar Hoover came back to life. Stole my dress. Exactly. People, you should look up J. Edgar Hoover. You might learn something. Now, well, let's just, here's, I got one clip here that's a series of Graham reading the page struck off back and forth. He doesn't do a great job of reading these because sometimes you lose track of who's talking, but it is pretty funny and includes some of the stuff about this stinky voters, the stinky Republicans. August 26, 2016, just went to a Southern Virginia Walmart. I could smell the Trump support. People in charge. October 11, 2016,

28:31 Currently fighting with Stu for the FISA. Stu was a lawyer who thought this thing was not on the up and up. Stood his ground until he couldn't stand it anymore. Eventually got run over. October the 19th. I'm all riled up. Trump is an effing idiot. Is unable to provide a coherent answer. The New York Times probability numbers are dropping every day. I'm scared for our organization. November the 3rd, 2016. Oh my God. This is effing terrifying. Referencing an article entitled, A Victory by Trump Remains Possible. November the 9th, 2016. Are you ever going to give out your calendars? Some kind of depressing. Maybe it should be the first meeting of the secret society. November the 13th. I bought all the president's men. I figure I needed to brush up on Watergate.

29:33 November the 13th, 2016. Finally, two pages away from finishing, all the president's men, page is struck. Did you know the president resigns at the end? Struck. What? God, that would be so lucky. Hold on, a couple of things. One, he said the, it was page is struck and he didn't let us know. The last part was page two struck, which is Lisa Page. He says this would be so bad for our organization if Trump won and he's in the FBI. What does that mean? It was never explained. Well, what I find, here's the problem that we've already passed really. Clearly what was going to be in this report and was known to certain people, directly FBI guys like Comey,

30:29 and that the one line is in there that there was no evidence of bias, no written or testimonial evidence. Well, of course not. No one's going to say, hey, I'm biased by the way. And that was used to jump the gun and flood the airwaves with, oh, please, please, please. Comey had his op-ed ready to go. I don't even know if any of this registers at this point. I think they did a very good job of a protectionary measure. Everybody was on TV. Everybody was talking about how, totally exonerated, all good. And now it's almost how stupid can you get?

31:07 where the Democrats are saying, oh read the report, just read the Mueller report. Now Republicans are going, read the report, read the Horowitz report. And guess what? Nobody except you and I read the report. Well I hope I don't have to guess. Now I just wanted, the last comment I have on that particular clip was The one that really caught my attention, which was Lisa Page was reading all the president's men. Yes. Now I don't know if this was a joke. That he could have been. That he resigns at the end you mean? Yeah. But she says, oh Nixon resigned at the end of all this. Now it's easy to say, well we know what happened, you were there, because I was, you know, it wasn't... I remember it. I remember it.

31:53 What's the age of Lisa Page? What's the age of... it's like this character... You mean they don't even have the basic history? Is that what you're... Clinesmith. They don't have... because they're not taught history anymore. They're taught gender studies. Again, I'm throwing this at the universities. She's stunned that Nixon resigned and then Strzok says, oh that's great, maybe, oh that's terrific. As if he didn't know. Born in 1980. Lisa Page was born in 1980? Yeah. Okay, so Lisa Page was by 19... so she had to be... it'd be 1995 before she was a 15 year old. Yeah. So she would have no knowledge of the Nixon... No, no. No, what... She wouldn't be surprised that he quit because she was never taught any of this in school. No, no, no. She was taught that he was impeached. Trust me, that's what she was taught. Yes, you're probably right.

32:54 Because most people think that. That's why I know it's out there. Oh, Nixon was impeached. Well, no, actually, when the articles came through and he lost the lawsuit, he resigned. But that's not how it went down in history. Well, that way it's taught. It's kind of like, you know, we all know who you're coming at. So she graduated 15 and 95. So she graduated probably from college around 2002. Again, the same group as this client Smith guy. He graduated from, I think initially from around 2002, that era, he graduated from law school in 2007. So these people are all from the exact same era of stupid

33:32 A-holes that the universities misled and brainwashed and they got good jobs because they were probably pretty smart. They got straight A's in gender studies and everything went swimmingly but they were idiots. And besides being idiots, it's this arrogance about the general public. Oh, these people are so dumb. Well, that's your Ivy League schools. That's your Ivy League schools where dumb people go with family connections and they come out and they roll right into the workforce and you know get jobs like on CNN like Cuomo he went to Yale. He was that guy went to Yale I think Paige also Yale maybe Harvard as well These are these are not great schools anymore if I don't know if they ever were but they're propaganda factories

34:24 That's what it looks like. But the result is what we're seeing here. This is the untold story. Are these people, how did they get this way? How did Clinesmith get this way? And he didn't go to the Ivy League schools. He went to Michigan State. Right. Well, yeah, you get what you pay for, I guess. Well, he was higher up than the other ones. I mean, really. You look a lot like John Oliver. I think you're going places. So, yeah, it's very, I find it distressing. So let's go to the debunking the dossier series of three clips. This is again, what Lindsey's done here, Lindy has done is

CHAPTER 08 / 25 Discussion

Wired Magazine, Media Bias in Impeachment Coverage

Wired Magazine published an article by Garrett Graff claiming that Fox News poses a national security threat due to "lies and obfuscations" regarding the impeachment inquiry. The hosts argue that Wired is repeating unproven claims from Adam Schiff as objective truth. They suggest the editorial shift at Wired reflects the same university-driven ideological bias seen in federal agencies.

wired magazine· garrett graff· fox news· adam schiff· media bias

35:13 Do a good narrative. He presents a good narrative. He kind of loses track when he does his... He does a pretty good job, I agree. He does a better job than Schiff. Well, Schiff made some cool stuff up which really stuck. I mean, let's be honest about it. Well, yeah, well he's, yes, as a fiction writer, Schiff would be... Hold on, before you play, before you... I just want to read, I just got to read this because it cracked me up. Just to give you an idea of how insane it's become in media land. This is Wired Magazine. Now I'm sure Wired is a bunch of lefties, a bunch of nut jobs, but when you... No, it has to be. So... Well, by now it is, yeah. I'll just read this, and this... Who wrote this fine piece?

35:58 I can't find it. Monday's split-screen drama as the House Judiciary Company weighed impeachment charges against President Trump and as the Justice Department's inspector general released a 476-page report on the FBI's handling of its 2016 investigation into Trump's campaign made one truth of the modern world inescapable. The lies and obfuscations forwarded ad infinitum on Fox News pose a dangerous threat to the national security of the United States. That's how stupid this has become. Wired Magazine. I used to be proud to be featured in Wired. Like, this is a cool magazine. And now they literally say, the facts of both dramas were clear to objective viewers. In the one instance, there's conclusive and surprisingly consistent evidence that President Trump pushed Ukraine to concoct dirt on a domestic political rival.

36:57 Wow, where did that come from? That's from Schiff! That's why I brought it up. Oh, and he made it up. He made it up! And now that is in Wired Magazine. Who wrote this piece of... Garrett Graff. The bigger question is who's the editor of Wired Magazine that would let that go through? That's clearly inaccurate. Yeah. So I'm just making the point that this is a much bigger problem than just the universities. It's people who've taken... But where do you think these people came from? Silicon Valley. No, these people at Wired Magazine came from that same university system I'm bitching about. You're right, they came from Harvard, I think. Didn't it start in Harvard? Wasn't it Boston? Massachusetts? Wait, you're talking about Wired? The origins of Wired have got nothing to do with the current iteration. Believe me. Okay. Okay, believe you.

37:49 I mean, it's beside the point where it originated. It's the people that are there, staff it today. They all came from these, they're all college graduates and they've all been through the same system that brought this client-smith into existence. where you go in there, you study gender studies and you come out saying there's 72 genders. There's nothing wrong with thinking that way. And whatever other nonsense you get, you don't get any real American history and political science is just all about activism. All right, let's move into the report debunking. All right, start with clip one.

CHAPTER 09 / 25 Discussion

Steele Dossier Sub-Source, FBI Misleading the Court

The primary sub-source for the Steele dossier told the FBI in January 2017 that Christopher Steele's reports were based on "rumor and speculation" heard at a bar, specifically disavowing the "pee tape" allegations. Despite this, the FBI informed the FISA court that the source was "truthful and cooperative" to secure two additional warrants against Carter Page. The hosts call for the abolition of the FISA court system due to these systemic deceptions.

christopher steele· steele dossier· fbi· ritz-carlton moscow· fisa court

38:38 who the sub-source of the Steele dossier is. What you need to know, this is not what Steele found himself, this is what he gathered from one person. They finally found out who this one person is. They go talk to him in January 2017. Five people interview the primary subsource, the guy that provided Steele with everything. And they showed him the dossier. Read pages 186 to 190. What does the Russian guy tell the FBI about the dossier? That Steele misstated or exaggerated the prime subsource's statements.

39:19 that Trump's alleged sexual activities at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in Moscow was rumor and speculation. He went on to say he heard it at a bar. And in the report, it suggests that a Western employee of the Ritz-Carlton confirmed this escapade by then private citizen Trump. When he read that, he says, that's not true. I never told Steele that somebody working for the Ritz-Carlton confirmed this. I heard it at a bar. Primary Subsource stated that he never expected Steele to put the Primary Subsources' statements in reports or present them as facts. They were word of mouth and hearsay.

40:03 conversations had with friends over beers, were statements made in jest that should be taken with a grain of salt. So in January 2017, the person who did all the assembling of the information for the now famous Steele dossier tells the FBI, I disavow everything in there. Just so we don't fall into the same trap as the bad TV show these guys put on I'm going to spruce up your clips with some impeachment Interstitials, I honestly never thought these words would come out of my mouth, but I don't know whether the Current president states with with prostitutes peeing on each other in Moscow in 2013. It's possible, but I don't know Just throwing that in there just to spruce it up. That's call me

40:51 Oh, that's call me. Well, then he did know. Yeah, of course. Of course he's lying. That's why I'm throwing it in. Yeah, good. Well, that worked good and continue. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You can do it with an I'll do the next one when you're ready and do another clip. Oh, we're done with that clip? Yeah, we're done with that clip. Okay, kept him short. Oh, the best part is coming. That's the there's a part in here that is just I thought it was genius. I mean, at one hand, these guys are total douchebags. But on the other hand, there's a moment of genius, and I think it's in this clip. Tells the FBI, I disavow everything in there. Now, what should happen? Time out? Let's reassess. Maybe we got this wrong. What would you hope to happen?

41:36 that the FBI would slow down because this is the outcome-determinative document that's just had a hole blown through it. They don't slow down. They used the document that now know to be a bunch of garbage twice more to get a warrant against Carter Page. I hope Carter Page gets a lawyer and sues the hell out of the Department of Justice and the FBI. Two more warrants were obtained by the Department of Justice and the FBI after being told in January by the Russian guys all a bunch of bull. But it gets worse. Here's how they describe the interview to the court. The FBI found that the Russian-based sub-source to be truthful and cooperative.

42:17 Nothing about it. Oh, by the way, he said everything in there is a bunch of bull. You knew in January 2017, if there was no doubt before, you know by the guy who prepared it that he disavowed everything. It's not true. It's a grain of salt. You shouldn't. I didn't say all these things. Instead of stopping, they keep going. And instead of telling the court the truth, what they're required to do, they lie to the court. I love Lindy man, but he'll do anything to not talk about anything important. Well, this was I believe that there's something very important in here and I think it was one of the greatest Buffalo jobs. I've never even considered this idea and this all a lot of.

43:03 Large part of the problem has to do with these rubber stamp judges that run the FISA, right? Right. Is that did you talk to the source? Yes, we talked to the source and what can you tell me about that? He was truthful Just like Nancy Pelosi is prayerful And it was truthful and cooperative. Oh, okay, that's great. Good to go. But if the judge should have said so he confirmed this report? No, no, that's that's a given. That's part of the rules is the judge shouldn't even have to ask. That's that's part of the system. Assumed that you're not trying to trick the judge. Well, this assumption is bullcrap. They have to pull these FISA courts down. These things are

43:50 They're illegal. Yeah but terrorism. I don't believe this is when this example has got to be only one out of a thousand. Oh well hopefully this will eventually come to light because remember Keith Alexander, General Alexander of the NSA shut down access to the big database because there were all these jabronis, all these FBI consultants and contractors who were doing all of this. They were uncovering everything at the behest of Susan Powers, Rice, Condoleezza Rice, and the State Department. No, no, no, no, Susan Rice, not Condoleezza Rice. Yeah, Susan Rice, I'm sorry.

CHAPTER 10 / 25 Discussion

George Papadopoulos, Alexander Downer and Joseph Mifsud

The Inspector General report concludes there was a legitimate predicate for the Trump investigation based on a conversation between George Papadopoulos and Australian diplomat Alexander Downer. Critics, including Joe diGenova, argue this predicate is "ludicrous" because the information was allegedly planted by CIA asset Joseph Mifsud. The hosts compare the FBI's tactics to "entrapment" schemes used against low-level targets to make agents look like heroes.

george papadopoulos· alexander downer· joseph mifsud· michael horowitz· fbi

44:28 So, you know, yeah, Powers and Samantha Powers and Susan Rice. And it was a lot. I mean, all of this is... Every country gets the government she deserves, and this is what we've got. An entremont from Jerry Nadler. We cannot rely on an election to solve our problems. That's right. Okay. you want to be in rap with the third chip. Why do you think they kept going? Maybe because they were on a mission not to protect Trump, but to protect us from Trump.

45:08 That's what they were trying to do. Protect all of us smelly people from Donald Trump. That's what this is about. Whether you believe it or not, I believe it. And you know what? It could happen to y'all next time. There's some pretty passionate people on our side that I wouldn't want to be investigating any of you. So what happens next? They get a warrant twice more when they know it's a bunch of garbage. They lie to the court about the actual interview. I don't know what McCabe and Comey knew, but I'm dying to find out. And should they have known? Yeah, there were some yes. Yeah, I'm just say this. I mean, there are some other good stuff in there. There's a couple of I have some entertaining moments reiteration of what he brought up. I have a couple of entertaining moments. You know, there was there was always a little bit of strife and you know, Nadler was trying to keep the order and people are yapping and saying you know, Nadler wasn't at this hearing. He's in the congressional. No, this is this is the congressional hearing. Sorry.

46:03 Yeah, but it's still funny. Will this witness be able to cross-examine Mr. Burke like he's being able to cross-examine the opposing witness? Gentlemen, it is not recognized. That's a point of inquiry. I will not shout out in the middle of testimony. You need to call balls and strikes the right way. You don't interrupt either one of them, Mr. Chairman. You're a commissioner or a witness. Bang it harder. It still doesn't make the point that you're not doing it right. Stop the hammering out there. Who's got a hammer? Where is it? Where's the hammer? It was actually sent to me produced. Joe DeGeneva showed up again. Yes, I saw this.

46:39 Here it is, 434 pages of facts, interesting facts, but the denouement, the resolution is pretty bad because Michael Horowitz does once again what he did with Strzok and Page and the email server investigation of Hillary Clinton. He will not pull the trigger on the FBI and senior DOJ officials. He says, with a straight face, that there was a legitimate predicate to run a counterintelligence investigation against the Trump campaign and Donald Trump. And you know what that's based on?

47:18 a conversation between George Papadopoulos and a former Australian ambassador, Alexander Downer. And the information that Papadopoulos gave Downer was information that was fed to Papadopoulos by a CIA spy, Joseph Mifsud. To conclude, as Horowitz does, that there was a legitimate basis for a counterintelligence investigation against the president is ludicrous. It is an embarrassment to the Department of Justice. I don't know how Horowitz can hold his head high. Let me follow up. Yeah, because of course we did not get the thousands of sealed indictments.

47:59 There is something else to point out here. The methodology of today's modern FBI, we follow this throughout the course of this show. What do they do? When there's... because they all want to be heroes. They all want to be the FBI guy. Whatever the... I don't know what it is, what's going on there, or if it's just pure legacy from J. Edgar Hoover. It's got to be some of that. But, you know, they'll find a semi-retarded guy Yeah, who posted something on Twitter like ISIS And then instead of doing something about it, they go, hey, this guy looks pretty retarded. I know, let's give him some fake bombs and let's string him along for three months. It's the same thing. Usually six to nine months. But it's the same thing. All they want is to be the heroes and catch everybody and they'll do whatever it takes to get the outcome that they want.

CHAPTER 11 / 25 Discussion

Nancy Pelosi, Iraq War Intelligence and Impeachment

During a CNN town hall, Speaker Nancy Pelosi admitted she knew there were no nuclear weapons in Iraq prior to the 2003 invasion but chose not to pursue impeachment against George W. Bush. Pelosi claimed the misrepresentation of intelligence was not an impeachable offense, a stance the hosts find hypocritical given the current proceedings against Donald Trump. The discussion touches on the influence of "The Squad" and the shifting ideological landscape of the Democratic Party.

nancy pelosi· george w. bush· iraq war· weapons of mass destruction· cnn town hall

48:57 And so it's not just the FISA, you know, the courts, it's the entire FBI and CIA is just as corrupt and rotten as well. These are embarrassments, embarrassments of intelligence agencies. But I'll tell you something else that really blew me away. Nancy Pelosi, she did the town hall on CNN after she announced the articles were approved to move ahead. And she talks about not impeaching, or she's actually asked a question, why didn't you impeach or vote to impeach George W. Bush when he clearly lied about Iraq?

49:34 And when I heard this answer, and maybe she's just so frazzled, she's messing up the timeline, but it really disturbed me. Speaker Pelosi, you resisted calls for the impeachment of President Bush in 2006 and President Trump following the Mueller report earlier this year. This time is different. Why did you impose it? Why did you oppose impeachment in the past? And what is your obligation to protect our democracy from the actions of our president now? Thank you. Thank you for bringing up the question about, because when I became speaker the first time, there was overwhelming call for me to impeach President Bush on the strength of the war in Iraq, which I vehemently opposed. And again, I, again,

50:21 I say again, I said it other places, that was my wheelhouse. I was intelligence, I was a ranking member on the intelligence committee even before I became part of the leadership of Gang of Four. So I knew there were no nuclear weapons in Iraq. It just wasn't there. They had to show us, they had to show the Gang of Four all the intelligence they had. The intelligence did not show that that that was the case. So I knew it was a misrepresentation to the public. If she knew it was a misrepresentation to the public, why did she let us go to war? People died.

51:04 Oh, I knew it was bullshit. I knew it right away. And then she even says this? Having said that, it was a, in my view, not a ground for impeachment. Not a ground for impeachment. Wow. Hundreds of thousands of people died who destroyed entire countries based upon a lie. She knew it. The Gang of Four knew it. But yet it wasn't impeachable. Yeah, we knew they couldn't prove it, but whatevs. That's the arrogance that bothers me. Get him out. That's really, really horrible. And maybe her timeline is, maybe she's confused, but it sounds to me like she knew it going in. Unbelievable. Yeah. Yeah. Sadly. This is a different situation because as other analysts might have it,

51:56 This is the new era when you have AOC and the gang of whatever the new gang of four, whatever the squad, the squat, the squat, the squat. That is the most misogynistic thing I've said today. The squat. Nice. Now, uh, And they see that they're writing on the wall and you have these new people that are coming up and they would put again, I'll keep mentioning this Clinesmith guy and the rest of the group, the Strux and Pages are all these older millennials that are uneducated for the most part, brainwashed into thinking a certain way about things. They really do think socialism is a great idea.

52:43 And it's because they've been told that it was a great idea. And it's unbelievable that we haven't implemented it already. And capitalism is bad and there's no reason for borders. I mean, there's all this litany of stuff that's coming down that everyone's saying, well, I mean, just, you know, you have a point. It's pathetic. So I think Nancy's just fallen prey to the fact that things are changing in her party to be, the party is filled with these people. I mean, it's like that woman that was, that kicked herself out of office that I can't remember her name now. The one in Los Angeles that was shown naked, you know, massaging her staff head chief of staff of her office, you know, she's there naked rubbing the guy. Uh, and then she has to quit and then she's now she's still floating around saying, but there's more to be done. I want to bring it back to the core issue for me. Cause again,

CHAPTER 12 / 25 Discussion

Yuri Lutsenko Interview, Ukrainian Corruption and Money Laundering

Former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko told One America News that Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch pressured him to protect specific individuals from prosecution. Lutsenko claims he discovered $7 billion in potential money laundering involving the U.S. firm Franklin Templeton but was blocked by Yovanovitch when he sought cooperation from the U.S. Justice Department. The hosts highlight that this testimony contradicts Yovanovitch's statements to Congress.

yuri lutsenko· marie yovanovitch· one america news· franklin templeton· ukraine

53:38 Impeachment or not, honestly I don't care. It's good show material one way or the other. What is a real problem for me personally, Adam Curry, in Texas is the FISA process, that could happen, you know? What a great way to actually de-platform someone for real. And just imagine the stuff I sometimes... Imagine, we thought we should check up on you what you're talking to Pchenik about on the phone. You know, what you don't put on your podcast. Imagine. Just imagine what could be done to somebody. I don't think you have to imagine. Exactly. I think it's actually going on. Right. Yes. But if Jenny's not calling you and talking to you, I wouldn't talk to the guy. I mean, it's because I've got, you know, I've always felt that I was in a long conversation with John Poindexter some years back, and I know the phone was being listened to.

54:29 So then another thing we'll talk about later is Afghanistan because I think that's also, you know, that's not being discussed at all. But I want to go back to Ukraine for just a second because I believe that The reason this has been jumped on so ferociously is because there was a lot of money and everyone had their hand in the till and it's the Bidens, it's Pelosi with her son, it's Kerry with his son, it's John Brennan, it's Lindy Hop Graham, it's well McCain, of course the Kagan's, the Noodleman's, and that goes right back to Hillary Clinton in the State Department.

55:11 And the only outfit that seems to be doing something, and they have this reporter in Ukraine, is One America News. And I pulled two clips because they got an interview with Lutsenko. And Lutsenko is the prosecutor who was told, hey you can't prosecute these people. This is the guy that Biden was yelling about and they got an interview with him. His English is actually pretty good and listen to what he says about what actually went down with Ukraine. In an exclusive interview with One American News, Ukrainian former prosecutor general Yuri Lutsenko says Yovanovitch perjured herself before Congress. Yovanovitch is the former ambassador, the ginger lady. America and he has the documents to prove it. So Mr. Lutsenko

55:56 You inherited Mr. Shokin's prosecutor general office. And describe for us your first interaction with the U.S. Embassy in this position. So everything was good. But then Yovanovitch visited me. Ambassador Yovanovitch. Ambassador Yovanovitch and Mr. Kent, they visited me. for small negotiations or talking. Did they visit you in your office? Just curious. Yes, firstly I visited her in her office and then it was the second meeting but the first in my office. They visited me. And we spoke normally and she asked me to change some old deputies. But then she asked me about too close case of one person.

56:40 then the... No, it is impossible. I couldn't close any case without investigation. So I took a piece of paper on my table and I write these three... not cases, but sentences. Kasko, Leshemko, Shabunin. Okay? Okay? Miss Ambassador, Madam Ambassador. Let's continue your untouchable list. She asked me, why are you so serious? And then I destroyed this list. So while I am general prosecutor, no president, no ambassador.

57:27 could announce me such lists. That was the full story. So she ran immediately from the office and my boy in the office doors asked me, what you told her, his red face, very angry. I didn't agree to receive any orders to open or to close criminal cases. It's pretty clear what he's saying there and it corroborates and you know what you know No one cares to even put this guy in the air except one America News Which is a pretty insignificant outfit and there's a second part to this which gets a little better fast forward to Adam Schiff's impeachment inquiry and Schiff called up ambassador Yovanovitch to testify Lutsenko says he was shocked to watch Yovanovitch's testimony when she said she never gave him such a list

58:20 Technically, says Lutsenko, no, she never gave him a list. The list still came from her. When Lutsenko found a case in which $7 billion went to the US via possible money laundering to a firm called Franklin Templeton, he wanted help from the US Justice Department to track down and retrieve this money. Ambassador Yovanovitch, says Lutsenko, played the obstructor. I was once again shocked when Madame Yovanovitch told two members of the committee that Lutsenko asked me to organize his meeting with American Attorney General. But you know, gentlemen, that there is a procedure for this, he told. The procedure that Lutsenko should, or even must give us

59:09 and a short topic, what points he wants to discuss with American law enforcement bodies. And Yovanovitch said, and he never gave us such an information. I have bad news for Madame Yovanovitch. This is my letter. my deputy letter to request for cooperation in investigation against the criminal organization of Yanukovych and regarding possible investments in the US based mutual and other funds for the purpose of money laundering. I know it's difficult for people to get into the accent, but this is a skill you should learn. I can see the trolls going, I don't understand what he's saying. You know what, maybe slow down your playback.

1:00:01 It's important that you listen and learn to listen to people with accents. People don't listen anymore. You need fucking subtitles for everything. Seven billion dollars was sent through Franklin Templeton Investments through the fund which everyone had an account at. And that was US taxpayer money that went to Ukraine, back to the fund, and that's where everyone started putting their hand in the cookie jar. And that's what he wanted to come to Washington to talk to the president about. And that's when Yovanovitch, the ambassador, you know, started blocking everything. And then the shitstorm started because someone's going to uncover this one way or the other. Maybe not in our lifetime, but it will come out.

1:00:46 Well, if you have to rely on one American news to even talk to this guy. I know, it's so sad. It's so pathetic. And then meanwhile you read that little piece in Wire bitching about Fox. Fox doesn't even put this guy in. Fox is part of the same system. Oh yeah. Of bull crap. Oh yeah, massively. So that's why you need your best podcast in the universe, I guess. Well, yeah, we try. We do our part, actually. I think we do our part. We do as much as we can.

CHAPTER 13 / 25 Discussion

No Agenda Producer Credits, Sinterklaas Traditions

The hosts discuss the "Value for Value" model and thank producers for the artwork "Fossil Fools." They note Jack Dorsey's interest in federating Twitter, which they view as a response to the success of decentralized platforms like Mastodon. John Dvorak describes receiving a Sinterklaas gift from Dutch listeners, including a chocolate letter "C" and a traditional sausage, leading to a discussion of Dutch holiday customs like "surprises" and rhyming poems.

jack dorsey· twitter· mastodon· sinterklaas· netherlands· hema

1:01:23 And with that I'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in courage itself, John C. Dvorak! Well in the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. Also in the morning to all the ships that see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to the trolls who are particularly trolly today, but that's okay, that's what you're there for. Martin JJ did actually know the lawyer's name and so it's not all just trolls. That's noagendastream.com. When the stream is up and running, we had a few problems this morning, but typically it's 24-7 with a glitch here or there maybe, but you can hear some cool stuff, great shows, including Darren O, who does our pre-stream on both Thursday mornings. That's noagendastream.com. And also in the morning, too, Mike Riley.

1:02:15 who brought us the artwork for episode 1197. We titled that one Fossil Fools, and this was the No Agenda Producer Rewards Program. It is the magical larcenous travel tip credit card for which you can use on any aircraft for unlimited beer, wine, and liquor. And he got the joke and he turned it into artwork and I don't think there was anything. We just liked it. That was the best one, wasn't it? Was there something else we were looking at at the time? I can't remember. There was a bunch of them, but there were a lot. There were a lot, but let me see. Ukraine cookies. Yeah, I don't know. We just, we both looked at it and went, that's the one. I think that's pretty clear. And I'd also like to do a quick promotion, a little PR for noagendasocial.com.

1:03:08 We're seeing a lot of new people sign up and new people coming in and using it also a lot of people from other servers You know within the the mastodon universe are Interacting so something's going on. I don't know if we can speak of a tipping point, but it seems like we have more We're taking over we're taking over Twitter tipping point cuz it's gonna crash No man, it's decentralized. By the way, I should mention that Jack Dorsey tweeted out, let me see where is it, he tweeted out that he has a small team of people working on

1:03:50 Essentially what he was talking about was federating federating Twitter. He was confirming my worst fears. I told you that it's federate or die, but what he's gonna try and do, what I'm afraid of, is he's going to try to make his own protocol while there's one that's been out there for 10 years working quite fine and so he's gonna try and you know do... Of course he is. Then he's going to go with the distributed model. Yeah, well... Because they can't handle the load. That's right. That's all it is. You were bitching that you couldn't get Scott Adams feeds. That's right. Yeah, because I only get one out of, I think, one out of... Yeah. Well, no, I probably get two out of three of your feeds. I'm gonna give you the whole load today. Yeah, see, that's what I want from Twitter. The whole load.

1:04:45 Yeah, well you're not gonna get the whole load from Twitter. You're right. I think you're really right. They just can't handle it. For sure, there was something... wait, now we're talking about it. Well this actually, before we get to the donations, this actually works for advertising or for a donation segment. Now screw it, I'll do it later. Let's just do this. I'm sorry. It was about ads. I do want to mention though the Den Haag meeting sent me a card. Oh, how nice. With a chocolate C and a sausage. And that was, I think, largely organized by Janet. Yeah, the chocolate letter is a big deal in the Netherlands. And you hopefully get one that is your initial. Well, my middle initial. Yeah, you got the C. They could riff on it. Yeah, exactly. They also sent a copy of the poem Janet says,

1:05:46 The poem, you know this poem, I can't read it but I want to read you the translation. The scent was thinking of what to give you. Yes, it's typically a rhyming poem, yes. And... It's a very cliché poem. It goes like this, De Sint zat te denken wat die Johnny zou schenken. And that's how it goes. Yeah, something like that. It's also typical to write a poem to someone at Sinterklaas holiday. Is that right? Yes. You write poems? Yes. Well, here's how it works. Usually within families, it's like a secret Santa, so you put your names into the hat, you pull the name out and then everyone has already pre-published their wish list and there's always a cap, so 10 euros or whatever it is. And then you're supposed to make what they call a surprise.

1:06:38 and that means you get creative. Typically it involves boxes filled with confetti and then molasses and then the present is inside the molasses in a plastic bag with the confetti and it's hilarious. Unless it's being done in your house. Unless it's being done in your house. Yeah, that's... Also, they included a sausage because it's a good-shaped box and I thought you'd actually like a handcrafted sausage. Is it from the Hema? Is it a Hema Wurst? I don't have it in front of me so I can't read off the label. It's vacuum packed and it's about the size of a horse penis. It's really big. Well, it's not like a salami. No, no, no, no. But it's curled.

1:07:24 Yeah, that's probably what it is. You got to boil it. It's sealed, air sealed. It's probably made, what's it made from? Probably pork meat. Pork, but you boil the bag. Yeah, probably, by the way, it was probably illegal to send that to me. Yes, but you boil the bag and so that's how you heat it up and then you want to slice it and have a little bit of mustard with it. Oh really? Yeah, you want Dijon mustard though. You want... No, the sausage has the skin on it. Yeah, yeah, you eat that. You eat that. Just cut right through it, eat it. Shut up and eat it. Don't you remember the war? Well, well, that's not the way I was planning on, but I'll consider that a possibility. Sir Luke, there's Johnny and there's a whole bunch of people that, Joni or Johnny, I can't tell. And there's about 20 people that signed this. They had pretty good, everyone from the meetup and a lot of Dutch commentary. I want to thank them for that little Christmas gift. Very nice.

CHAPTER 14 / 25 Discussion

Susan Wojcicki, YouTube Creator Monetization Policy

YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki addressed creators at a gaming conference, stating that the platform acts primarily on behalf of its advertisers rather than its content creators. She discussed new "self-certification" requirements for video content regarding violence and profanity, admitting that YouTube's AI systems often fail to accurately categorize videos. The hosts criticize the "diminutive" term "creators" and suggest users migrate to alternative platforms like Bitchute or Mastodon.

susan wojcicki· youtube· google· monetization· gaming· self-certification

1:24:15 And of course you can participate in the production of the next show. That will be on Sunday. All you have to do is go to... And of course now you can look really smart by knowing what really happens in those hearings. Our formula is this. We go out, we hit people in the mouth. I'm a flawed human being. Shut up, slave. Shut up, slave. I'm gonna play that thing that I was gonna do during the segment because it just kind of made sense. It's Susan Wojcicki. Susan Wojcicki. She's the... YouTube girl, right? YouTube. Yeah, well she's one of the ex... what is it? Sergei's ex-wife's sister. And...

1:25:15 She was on, I think it was a gaming conference or something. Everyone's pissed about the deplatforming and how we making money and how we not making money. I'm always taking that. I'm taking the side. These people, they own these platforms, they run the platform, they're giving you free server space. There's one clip on YouTube recently I saw, 10 hour long clip of Hillary laughing. So of course the issue with the game... It costs money. The issue with the gamers, well they have a lot of problems. The main problem that they have is they don't give a crap about creators. In fact, calling someone who is actually creative a creator in my mind is just insulting. I want to stop you there.

1:26:10 There's also another term called creatives. That's also insulting within an age. I never liked it. I brought this up with, I went to the one of the Adobe, they do this big event in LA every year and I went to one a couple years ago and uh and they kept using this term constantly. You creatives. Creatives, you creatives, you creatives, the creatives want this, the creatives want that. And they're always talking about them like a third party, like just a bunch, just like peasants. I thought it was diminutive. I thought it was like calling people, you know, it's like a Marxist kind of category. Yeah, lepers. The bourgeoisie. And so I actually asked

1:26:53 I won't say who they are, but I asked two very high-end artists that would qualify as creatives and they didn't bother them. It only bothers people who aren't creatives. I guess that's what it is. Well, I don't want to be called a creator, but anyway, the creators. YouTube does not give a crap about you, as will be evidenced in this clip, but what I also thought was interesting is That they really have no way, you know, they recently had to, you have to now start marking your content. Is it for children? Is it 13 and under? Is it family safe? Is there cursing? Is there violence? They're putting all of that on you creators because they can't actually come up with any AI, artificial intelligence, they can actually figure out what's in your videos.

1:27:46 Mortal Kombat was a big release earlier this year. Are we as gamers just expected to just play Minecraft and Fortnite? Fortnite which has gun violence. You see the problem is is that they're kind of demonetizing violent video games which, oh, it's pretty much every successful video game so they're all up in arms because YouTube is running away from them. But is it really YouTube? Oh gee creators! By the way Like, where does that line exist? I want to say that I looked at the stats overall for gaming and for gamers, and I say that in general, and I understand the concerns, and I'm going to get into that and answer more. Looking at the stats, you'll miss it, gamers are actually in a really good position. And so YouTube as a platform, we act on behalf of our advertisers.

1:28:45 Did you hear that creators? YouTube as a platform, we react on behalf of our advertisers. Not you, schmuck. Gamers are actually in a really good position. Okay. And so... YouTube as a platform, we act on behalf of our advertisers. And advertisers come in all different types of preferences in terms of the type of content they want to be advertising on. You have some advertisers who say, we only want to be on the most safe type of content. Brand safe Available and then we have other create advertisers say we'll be on like any type of content as long as the fans love it Like we'll be there and so we have a broad range. I don't want to say all advertisers are the same And so what we've done is we've tried to

1:29:36 John, she's gonna do it for another minute. So we get it. She's annoying to listen to. To enable options for our advertisers to figure out, depending upon who they are, options for them to advertise with the right set of partners. I think what we see is that most of our advertisers, just looking again at the stats, are advertising and interested in gaming. And so I looked at what our advertisers are opting out of. They opt out of issues like sensitive subjects. That would be an example of something that's high up on the list. Gaming is not actually high up on the list.

1:30:17 The other thing that we have done that has been really successful is with enabled average with enabled creators to self-certify themselves This is my favorite since we can't figure out what kind of horrible crap you're putting together Self-certify isn't it's now the word for compliance, which means that we give you The opportunity for you to tell us which what an opportunity. Thank you YouTube which Um, what's in your video. So how much profanity is in your video? Is there violence in your video? Um, and what we've found is that way, um, you know, again, it's not like a free pass in any way, but we're not going to make any mistakes. We're not going to think you have violence when you don't really have violence because you're going to tell us what's in that video and we're going to trust you. Um, or at least we're gonna,

1:31:05 You know she fucked up there because I mean we have systems that can check this sure that our systems say the same thing You know and we have an opportunity to For creators to like we check right if there's a difference like we can see like why is there a difference? Yeah, why don't you all move to bitch shoot or mastodon or anywhere but YouTube because you're going to be disappointed This woman, through, you know, you get lucky in some of these companies. If I'm not mistaken, this woman is worth almost $500 million. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

CHAPTER 15 / 25 Discussion

Ring Security Camera Hacks, Racial Abuse Incidents

Multiple families in Atlanta and Florida reported their Ring security cameras were hacked, with intruders using the devices to shout racial slurs and observe private bedroom activities. Ring attributed the incidents to "credential stuffing" from external data breaches rather than a compromise of their own systems. The hosts warn that the "Internet of Things" (IoT) is inherently insecure and that users often reuse compromised passwords across multiple accounts.

ring camera· amazon· hacking· data breach· atlanta· cape coral

1:31:42 Oh yeah, she was in very early. So I'm just saying, any guys out there who want to like exploit some rich woman, I was gonna say rich chick, but I pulled back from that because she's not a chick. She's not a chicky man. She's a rich woman that probably will squander her money. You might as well help her out. On dudes. On dudes. On young dudes. Well, while we're in this segment, I think there's been a hack at Ring. I got three stories today all similar. The last one came in, I couldn't even clip it. I figured I'd just play it straight from the video. Which of course is only, I hear now it's only one channel it sounds like. Okay, that's not worth it. Here's the report. A couple in suburban Atlanta tonight says the only reason they bought one of these Ring security cameras three weeks ago was to keep an eye on the dog.

1:32:37 Wake up! But on Monday night while the girlfriend was sleeping in... By the way, in the video you see the night shot and the person laying in bed and the hackers are coming in and just starting to talk through your camera. ...bed she heard a strange voice coming from the bedroom camera. I can see you in the bed, come on, wake up! What you're hearing is the voice of someone who had hacked into their device and may have used a stolen password. A digital prowler she recorded with her cell phone. I see the blue light come on and so I'm texting my boyfriend saying, you know, why are you watching? He's like, what are you talking about? Which is also another

1:33:13 Interesting little side note. The couple doesn't want to be identified and spoke with our partner WSB TV in Atlanta. Ring should have the safety precautions already set in place where you never have to worry about it. Police here are investigating and in a statement Ring says this is no way connected to a breach or compromise of their security and they're encouraging customers to change their passwords regularly. And so I really love how people are outraged. Well, this your ring should take care of that man. How can they allow that to happen? This one was the best. This family is fantastic. It's Sunday night cooking and catching up with their oldest son through FaceTime was on this Cape Coral couples agenda.

1:33:58 He's triggering the alarm! And all of a sudden, um, we heard a siren. Until the safety measure was turned against them. Someone was using it to peer into the Browns' private life. What's going on my main man Shaq? It's your boy Chance on Nolz. Welcome to the Nolzcast. The hacker starts talking directly to the husband and wife. He's doing a- He says welcome to the Knowles cast, which is their name. The guy's doing a podcast on their ring system in their house. The hacker starts talking directly to the husband and wife about their son. Wait, wait, so did your child come out black or like kind of like light skin? I don't know. I should mention it's a mixed race family.

1:34:37 What? Nothing. Who never appears on this three minute recording. But Josephine Brown believes the person manipulating their camera was watching for longer than he made known. They've been watching us. That's the only way you know I had a son and the only way you know what he looks like. The hacker focuses only on making racial comments. Is your kid a b****? Baboon like the monkey spewing from their security camera over and over again. Wait, does your child look like an Oreo? It's very hurtful because I mean my son is biracial and the comments he made She's upset about the biracial Racist comments. How about the fact that you've been hacked lady? The guy's been looking at you was really hurtful fed up with the hateful invasion of privacy Can you bring like a web browser up on your phone?

1:35:26 phone and then type in the website that I tell you. The camera batteries are ripped out. Hey, go to know the Browns called ring immediately. The company did not respond to my requests, but did tell the family quote the email address and password of one of your external accounts was exposed in a data breach. Ring believes someone used that information to gain access into their account. Josephine says she is constantly changing the Wi-Fi password and believes the company needs to step up. Fixing it, put more security stuff on there, do more updates on the cameras, making sure everything you know runs the way it's supposed to but I don't know. You don't know lady because this is your life. Welcome to the future.

1:36:11 Someone got a hold, I think they got a hold of the Ring database, but it doesn't really matter. People are so stupid. If your password and your username or email address is stolen from somewhere, there's a high likelihood you've used the same password on everything else you own, and all you have to do is get the Ring app, and then you enter in your email, your password, and boom, you're in. I mean, this is, this is, but there's three reports today. with the exact same thing happening. So I think... It has to be the tip of the iceberg. Yes, and for Ring to say... Because who else is going to embarrass themselves with these reports? Yeah, this is not a native ad, believe me. This is not the good stuff. No, that's what I'm saying. Who is going to come forward and say, hey, I got hacked, I'm an idiot. Yeah.

1:36:56 I mean, and then to play all this, you know, abusive material. But now there is, really is dumb, but it's, there is, this has been predictable for decades. Oh yes. With the smart refrigerator and the coffee pot and oh look, and there's an ad right now on, you know what they say about internet of things, IOT, IOT where the S stands for security. Yeah, I thought that was a good one too. But it's, it's, there is one opportunity here for us. Think about how cool... So you're thinking about money making idea? No, I'm thinking about broadcasting our podcast through everybody's ring doorbell. That's what I want. The guy's like, this is a good idea. I could do a podcast like, you know, like the old, the old Soviet style. It's all the time we come on... Point to point. Hello everybody, it's time for the Ring Doorbell Podcast.

CHAPTER 16 / 25 Discussion

Amazon Echo Auto, Privacy Risks of Smart Devices

Amazon is marketing the "Echo Auto" device to integrate Alexa into vehicles, allowing users to control home lights and music while driving. The hosts mock a commercial for the product, highlighting the potential for domestic spying and the inherent bugs in smart home software. They argue that the convenience of voice-activated technology is outweighed by the loss of privacy and the risk of remote manipulation.

amazon echo auto· alexa· smart home· privacy· surveillance

1:36:11 Someone got a hold, I think they got a hold of the Ring database, but it doesn't really matter. People are so stupid. If your password and your username or email address is stolen from somewhere, there's a high likelihood you've used the same password on everything else you own, and all you have to do is get the Ring app, and then you enter in your email, your password, and boom, you're in. I mean, this is, this is, but there's three reports today. with the exact same thing happening. So I think... It has to be the tip of the iceberg. Yes, and for Ring to say... Because who else is going to embarrass themselves with these reports? Yeah, this is not a native ad, believe me. This is not the good stuff. No, that's what I'm saying. Who is going to come forward and say, hey, I got hacked, I'm an idiot. Yeah.

1:36:56 I mean, and then to play all this, you know, abusive material. But now there is, really is dumb, but it's, there is, this has been predictable for decades. Oh yes. With the smart refrigerator and the coffee pot and oh look, and there's an ad right now on, you know what they say about internet of things, IOT, IOT where the S stands for security. Yeah, I thought that was a good one too. But it's, it's, there is one opportunity here for us. Think about how cool... So you're thinking about money making idea? No, I'm thinking about broadcasting our podcast through everybody's ring doorbell. That's what I want. The guy's like, this is a good idea. I could do a podcast like, you know, like the old, the old Soviet style. It's all the time we come on... Point to point. Hello everybody, it's time for the Ring Doorbell Podcast.

1:37:55 Wake up, wake up everybody! Good morning Ringdoble! Nah, it's just the tip of the iceberg is gonna be. I am loving it! This is the same as my favorite... commercial on TV now, they're pushing, Amazon's pushing the car, Alexa car, I don't know what it's called. What is the device called? Alexa? No, Echo, or what's it called? It's the Echo, yeah, it's the Echo. Yeah, the Echo. Echo Car, I think's the name. And so they have this ad and this guy, you know, just a dubious, this guy driving a big Mercedes or something, and he says, and he says, Alexa,

1:38:36 Stop my podcast. Which I thought was at least a plus. Yeah. Stop my podcast and turn on the lights at home. Oh, he's doing this for his girlfriend or his wife? Well, they make you think it's for him. He's coming home. Right. I mean, it was set up that way. Turn on the sexy music playlist, Alexa. Turn on the lights, turn on the heat, turn up the heat. And then you see just a shot of the door opening. You think it's him, but it's actually his girlfriend, his wife or someone. She walks in and she calls him and says, Alexa called Jimmy, whoever his name was. And he says, yeah, he's thanks for turning on everything. You're sweet. And I said, okay. And he gets out of his garden, goes into work. He's going into work on swing shift or something. But the whole thing is like, I'm thinking, Hey, uh, Alexa turned the heat up to 120 flash the lights for the next half hour. The worst part.

1:39:35 Is in that first clip is that the girl a girl immediately calls her boyfriend says why are you spying on me? Believe me? Yeah Everybody's doing this. That's why that's why especially People put it started with the teddy bear cam and the nanny cam and all and they're spying on each other spying on you Oh, it's so funny. Well, it doesn't come out. Well, I No, no scenario. It won't end well at all. Where this works out. No. If software is involved and specifically this never works out. It's not safe. No. No, and all software has bugs and the Internet of Things, it's hysterically, historically insecure. And it's made in China, so who knows what else is going on.

CHAPTER 17 / 25 Discussion

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Dog DNA Tests vs. Maternity Leave

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez criticized the U.S. market for providing more time for puppies to stay with their mothers (eight weeks) than the average parental leave for humans (six weeks). She used this comparison to argue that the market has failed to treat people with dignity. The hosts link this to a commercial for "Embark" dog DNA tests, noting a cultural trend where dogs are increasingly treated with more importance than people.

alexandria ocasio-cortez· embark· maternity leave· dog dna· minimum wage

1:40:30 People are... John, we're just yelling at the clouds, my friend. Everybody says, oh, I know that, but I don't care. You know, bastard clouds! I caught another commercial which was jarring for a number of reasons. At Embark, we know dog people put their dogs first. Even in the rain. Even at 5am. Dog people share the bed. And the blankets. And the pillows. Dog people do bath time because joy is often muddy and messy. Of all the things we do for the health and happiness of our dogs, Embark's dog DNA test may be the most important. Get it this holiday season. So she said important and it's a dog DNA test. Get it this holiday season.

1:41:21 Yeah, I saw this too. In fact, it's one of the many things I saw that I didn't clip, but it included important. Important. And it's a dog DNA test. Yeah. Yeah. The dog DNA test. So you can know that your dog It's a jip, it's a rip-off, it's a scam. Well this is of course... Dogs are people too. You heard it because you got dog people. Dogs are people too and this came up with Sandy. Sandy was doing a little thing. Sandy OC. And that's why she talks and and Sandy was talking about maternity leave.

1:42:05 And as a good millennial, she brought it right there where we needed her to go. Ms. Gressler, you said earlier that you... By the way, she has the most offensive... She learned this from some other... All the douchebags do it in Congress. But this... Let me see if I can... So, John, are you interested in the molecular biology of the frog? And you start to answer. No, I'm not really. You'd answer differently, but it doesn't matter because she'll say... So I'll take that as a no.

1:42:40 I'll take that as a no. So no, you're not. I'll take that as a no. You'll hear it. Ms. Gressler, you said earlier that you don't believe in a minimum wage. Is that correct? You believe the market should decide? I don't think that we should take a job opportunity away from somebody if they're willing to work at a particular wage that the government is not allowing them to. So, no, you don't believe in a minimum wage. I take it you don't believe in health care as a right either. Is that correct? I believe that we should help provide access to health care. Okay. Do you believe employers should offer health care to every employee that they have? I think that as part of a benefits package, they should determine what is the best way and what do the workers want. Okay, so no, you don't believe it should be uniformly offered? I think it should be what workers want and what employers are going to want. Okay, so the answer is no. What is the most common length of parental or paid family leave that you have seen? In general, it's like six to eight weeks, but it really depends and there's not a great sample that tells us. So, six weeks. Do we know how long

1:43:39 Puppies are allowed to stay with their mothers after a dog has given birth? I don't. Eight weeks. Wow. So the market has decided that women and people who give birth deserve less time with their children than a dog. And I think that that at its core has shown that the market has failed to treat people with dignity and with basic respect. And so when that happens, I think it's our job as the public to redefine the rules of society and to treat people who give birth with the dignity that they deserve. I disagree. I think it's been very successful. This is exactly what we want. We treat dogs better than people.

1:44:25 It's a fact. We've been tracking this. That was the strangest clip I think I've heard for a while. Yes. That's Cassio Cortez dog clip. Back to your point about saying I'll take that as a no. We did have a clip once where somebody said yes and the congressperson said I'll take that as a no. And I can't remember which person it was, but it was one of these left-leaning Congresswomen. I'll take that as a no. No, I said yes. Anyway. I don't take... I'm seeing if I can find it, but that's a tough one. There's no way of properly labeling that clip. No. So I did get a... Somebody's got a new podcast. Just switch a little bit.

CHAPTER 18 / 25 Discussion

Amanda Knox Podcast, Lorena Bobbitt Interview

Amanda Knox, known as "Foxy Knoxy," has launched a true crime podcast where she recently interviewed Lorena Bobbitt. During the live event, the audience cheered when Bobbitt's act of cutting off her husband's penis was mentioned. The hosts find the audience's celebration of a violent act "disturbing" and "corrupt," noting the hypocrisy in modern conversations about abuse and criminal justice.

amanda knox· lorena bobbitt· true crime· podcasting· domestic violence

1:45:23 And this is, since we're bringing this up, we kind of brought it up with the anecdote about the woman pouring a half a shot, getting paid less. I have a couple of disturbing clips. Ooh, love that. So if you remember Foxy Knoxie, Amanda Knox or whatever her name is, she was arrested in Italy, went four years in jail for something she didn't do. I'm pretty sure she didn't do it. Murdering her boyfriend in Italy. And it was some crazy story. It's a long story. People can look it up. She has a podcast now on real crime. A very popular topic in the podcast space. It is. In fact, it turns out there are about 10 of these podcasts and they're all very popular. They're not

1:46:08 Oh, there's more. The True Crime podcast is very big. It's big business and people are turning it into Netflix shows. If you want to go, you want to go True Crime. In fact, there's now lawsuits by magazines, newspapers and investigative journalists against podcasts who are using their work uncredited. That's how big this is. That doesn't surprise me in the least. We credit our stuff. It all started with Serial. And kind of that triggered the, well, everyone does, everyone thinks Cereals, you know, was a pod, it was a podcast, but it was really more of a recording of pretty much of a repurpose. It's a podcast. No, it's a podcast. It's a podcast. So Roxy, Foxy Roxy, who you'd think would probably not call herself that. No, you'd think that not, you try to tone it down a bit. Yeah.

1:47:00 So she brought in, this is a special event in front of a large audience and I have to assume from the response of the audience that's a large audience of women. And to go back to the women thing. Now I'm very disturbed by these two clips. So she brought on Lorena Bobbitt. Who cut off her husband's penis. Yeah, John Bobbitt. And threw it away. Threw it out the car window. Yeah, something like that. Believe me, I know that. Now she brings her on her podcast.

1:47:39 And this is the, we get to hear the response of the audience. This is Foxy Noxy Lorena Bobbitt one. Her name is Lorena Gallo, but you probably know her by her former married name, Lorena Bobbitt. In 1993, after suffering years of domestic violence and sexual abuse by her then husband, John, she did something that shocked us all. She made worldwide headlines and that turned her into a target for abuse, harassment, and the casual cruelty of most of us, especially comedians. And started this long overdue conversation about marital rape and abuse. She cut off his dick. I knew it was coming. So the crowd goes wild. Oh yeah.

1:48:44 That's, that's crazy. And this is by the way a violent act. Do you think? It's condoning violence and it's cheered. There's a hypocrisy here that is a very deep level. Extremely deep. And it's very disturbing and people listen to this and you'd think Foxy Knoxy would have enough, you know, after being, imprisoned, falsely imprisoned, would have a little more sympathy toward this sort of corruption, which is what this is, as far as I'm concerned, this is a corrupt audience. But let's listen to what she actually introduces her.

1:49:20 and brings her on stage. Because she has had the courage to reclaim her identity, her narrative, her legacy, and she's become an advocate for other battered women. So I am honored to share the stage with her. So please help me in welcoming Lorena Gallo. Alright get that microphone Seating on it. Yes, so so um how does it feel to be sharing the stage with foxy noxie? Oh brother Yeah, I hate my invention Podcasting is horrible. What if we by the way that whole Lorena Bobbitt Lorena Bobbitt was not so cut and dry to coin a phrase as it seems there was a lot of stuff going I lived in Manhattan at the time I was on z100 in the morning and

CHAPTER 19 / 25 Discussion

Harvey Weinstein Settlement, Civil Suit Payouts

Harvey Weinstein has reached a tentative $25 million settlement with over 30 accusers, which would be paid by insurance companies rather than Weinstein himself. The deal does not require an admission of wrongdoing, leading some accusers and the "Time's Up" group to criticize the legal system as broken. Despite the settlement, Weinstein still faces criminal charges in New York scheduled for trial in January.

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1:50:31 So it was not as simple as it sounds, but to hear women hooting and hollering like that, but at the same time to not even bat an eye that Harvey Weinstein, the most douchiest of all douchebag a-holes, is going to get off scot-free, no admission of guilt, by just paying $25 million dollars to the- He's not even paying it. Who's paying it? Oh, I have a clip. Oh my god. I mean, I just want to say women I can speak for both of us We know Harvey Weinstein's we know this is the lowest of all low scum This guy is a total dick douche knuckle barf bag

1:51:18 And yet everyone's going to opt for the money, and he'll be doing movies again because of this. Because no one's pressing charges, no one wants to follow through, we'll take the money. What do you mean it's not true? Play the clip. Weinstein update. Okay, let's see. On the same day Harvey Weinstein used a walker to enter the court where he's facing criminal charges, a potential $25 million settlement with the more than 30 actresses and other accusers who filed civil suits against the former movie producer, according to the New York Times. The Times saying Weinstein would not admit any wrongdoing and he wouldn't pay accusers, but insurance companies for his former studio, which filed for bankruptcy, would make the payout. He'll be able to basically walk away from almost

1:52:08 all of those cases without paying any of his own money to those victims. A quarter of the overall settlement, according to the Times, would pay lawyers for Weinstein and his former company. Accuser Zoe Brock tells NBC News, this settlement breaks my heart. I have signed it only because I have explored every other legal option and at this point have found no alternative. The advocacy group Time's Up also panning the deal as too little. If this is the best the survivors could get, the system is broken. There are also women who are relieved, who feel like, listen, there was, as these legal negotiations went on and the pot of money that was going to go towards them got smaller and smaller, there were concerns of whether or not there would be any civil settlement reached. The New York Times reports several high-profile accusers would not be part of the settlement.

1:52:55 Weinstein's attorneys declined to comment on the potential settlement. He has pleaded not guilty to all criminal charges. Earlier today, a judge raised his bail after criminal prosecutors said he tampered with his electronic ankle monitor more than 50 times. A Weinstein attorney told the criminal court he's having back surgery tomorrow and they insist he'll show up for trial on January 6th. So Kate, this is a settlement in the works, meaning it's not a done deal? It's not a done deal yet. The New York Times reporting that it would have to be approved by judges and with some lawyers for accusers already objecting, it's possible it could fall apart. Okay, so, but still people want the money.

1:53:34 Yeah, they're all signing off on the money, which again brings up a number of issues that are unpleasant to discuss. Not for me, and especially not if we do it properly. And now it's time for your sexual harassment update. See, it's a segment now, and we're talking as producers so we can say these things. But I don't like it. I don't like the idea that he basically he does if he gets off with just the money, he just gets away with it. There are still criminal cases. This has nothing to do with that. Okay, we'll see. So where's the where's the line? My money is that he's not going to be doing any more movies. Oh, I'll take that bet.

1:54:25 He will definitely return to the movie. This is this is America, baby. Come back, kid. Yeah, anybody. Nixon is a good guy all of a sudden. Come on now, please. You can be... America loves a good comeback story. Matt Lauer will also come back. They're all gonna come back. It takes years. There's always a way and people forget because people don't remember stuff. They just forget. I'm not arguing that point. For some actual uncomfortable talk, there's a big story which the verge of all publications broke and it kind of flows into Noodle Boy.

CHAPTER 20 / 25 Discussion

Away Luggage CEO Steph Corey, Slack Workplace Toxicity

The Verge published an exposé on the luggage company "Away," leading to the resignation of CEO Steph Corey over allegations of a "toxic" workplace culture. The report detailed Corey's use of public Slack channels to berate employees, which the hosts argue is a result of a "text-based" culture lacking vocal context. They suggest that millennial employees are being "enslaved" by 24-hour digital communication and "cheap trinkets" like office dogs and free food.

steph corey· away luggage· slack· the verge· millennial workforce· toxic culture

1:55:06 and the millennial workforce. And I think there's a real problem that I hadn't realized, but now that I've read this story, I'm talking specifically about the CEO of Away, the luggage company. Have you followed this story? I never heard of the luggage. So the Away company, they're like a specialty direct-to-consumer luggage brand. And it's actually quite affordable. What is luggage really? It's a $5 shell that they stencil out in China, throw a liner in, and then you put a snazzy label on it, you sell it for $150. It's a great business.

1:55:50 So these two women who were buyers, I think they were in one of the big retail companies, they learned a lot about how this process works and they started this company Away. And Away has stores, you can order online of course, but they have stores. And their whole thing is we're all about the customer. The product is secondary. It's all about the customer experience. They have all these bull crap words. you know, customer experience, professional, you know, they're just rife with all of these terms. Sure. And but... You're pouring it on thick is what you're trying to say. Yeah.

1:56:31 But they really try to keep this culture of their company, we're all about the customer, the customer, the customer. Well anyway, she was kicked out. Small batch. She was kicked out of her own firm because of the abusive nature of the company and herself, her own communication. And this is a three-part series that The Verge did, and as I'm reading it, You know, there's just so and I think this is where the main problem stems from. All company communication is done in Slack. So there's no email, you're not allowed to DM, everything is done on Slack channels. And for those who don't know it, it's basically like a message board where you can create separate topic rooms. And a lot of people probably have this in their organization. And because of this,

1:57:27 Everything the workforce, which is really young, it's a millennial workforce, everything the workforce gets has no context. It's just text. So people are really put off when the CEO, Steph Corey is her name, she said the following. So there's suitcases going out that have the wrong initials or improper initials for the customer and so this is a problem, so she's bitching on Slack. And she says, if whoever is doing these luggage tags is brain dead enough to package up and send a tag that clearly has incomplete letters, it seems extremely unlikely to me that a retraining on standard operating procedures is going to be sufficient set of next steps for us to ensure that 100% of our customers are getting perfect luggage tags. Now, when you read that, you can hear it being said as,

1:58:25 If whoever is doing these luggage tags is brain dead enough or if whoever's doing these luggage tags is brain dead enough to package them up, you see you have no context, no voice. But believe me, the kids were getting depressed. They started their own special Slack channel, a private Slack called hashtag hot topics, which was filled with LGBTQ folks. I'm citing the article and people of color And this woman who helped break this case, she was working there, was relieved to find she wasn't the only one who felt uncomfortable with Away's purported mission and company culture. And so what were they discussing in the secret room? I'm quoting, this person did this not woke thing. Those people did something insensitive. In other words, it was a safe space where marginalized employees could vent.

1:59:21 So as I'm reading this, I'm like, oh my god, it's a bunch of weenie children who are triggered by the boss saying, hey, you brain-dead... Yeah, do your job. Do your job! We gotta get to... because that's our culture. But as I continue to read through it, and I just went deeper and deeper, here's what's happening, and it's very dangerous for the young kids. There's so... and by the way, it's like work on New Year's Day, work on Christmas Eve. We have to, you know, everyone has to work. I'm gonna be here, you know, in the Slack. Well, everybody send a picture of you working from home. Here's mine, you know, and she's there with it on her bed with her with a mask on, you know, a facial mask and over because we're all doing it. We're all working hard. I think what has happened is because of the instantaneous nature of communication and email and now Slack,

2:00:13 It is so normal for people to work outside of normal working hours that they have turned into unwitting slaves of all of these companies. And this is why you're allowed to bring your dog to work. This is why you have food on the premises. This is why you have a hairdresser. These companies, which really are pieces of shit companies with shit product, And you know, it's a throwaway item when you think about it. You can get a luggage anywhere. They're working these kids to death and controlling them with this digital ecosystem which keeps you engaged 24 hours a day, and they're burning out and they're making no money. And I have to say, I kind of feel bad for the noodle kids because

2:01:03 This is not just this one company. This is happening everywhere. It is expected that you work 24 hours a day, you're always on the Slack or what, you know, or maybe it's the Google Docs or whatever the hell your company uses, whatever infrastructure. And I think it's really, it's harmful and even though they're not prepared to work hard to start off with, but they're really being enslaved with cheap gadgets, with cheap little trinkets. And just today came in that the CEO of Ford is now letting people bring dogs to work in a bid to lure tech talent. I think this needs to be looked at.

2:01:47 Kids are being abused by the technology and these toxic cultures which are not toxic for the way people discuss, but they're not prepared. It's a text-based company. Does that make any sense? Well, in the context of the Noodle Boy, yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I'm just trying to digest it myself because The missing element here is these, and you said it more than once, you must have said it, repeated yourself two or three times. These kids are not prepared to work. And you can just stop right there. They're not prepared to work in this environment, they're not prepared to work under these circumstances, they don't like this boss, or I found it seems like the boss is just a normal boss if you ask me. But I have been working in work environments with adults, with grown men and women,

2:02:43 since I was in high school and probably before that when I was a paper boy. Yeah, me too. And so I've always been working all my life in one way or another and I found, uh, you know, I could, I can work in these environments and just never, but we'll hear, okay. But if I'm completely like a, like just some kid fresh out of school, I don't know what to expect or what JC has his works for this very unique company now that he is now he's the old man and he talked to talks about like I'm gonna we're gonna take off the next couple of days this Thanksgiving week. We there's no reason to be working this week We're not gonna do get any business done. We get plenty of business done. We get back pretty much did not toe the line with

2:03:34 his younger, uh, supervisor, his younger owners of the company saying, we don't need to be working this week. So let's all go home. And how'd that go over? It went over fine. Well, Because they all said, oh we can do that? They were stunned by this idea. Well, okay, so imagine you come out of school, you don't know crap, we've already established that at the beginning of this show. You have no idea, you don't have history, you've been taught all the wrong things. You have a debt, you need to start paying it off. You realize that there is no job for what you studied in, you know, political science, whatever it may be, you know, gender studies.

2:04:15 But you do understand how to use Slack, you understand how to use the digital communication, you're already enslaved to the phone, and then you're given a few other cheap trinkets but really no big salary, and then you're worked to death. And then you get triggered by someone saying, hey, over this brain dead person. That was actually the first example as used in this article and reported on seriously by The Verge as a toxic culture. Are you kidding me? So I feel bad because not only are they ill prepared. Encouraged by the writers of the, well, you have probably a toxic culture at The Verge.

2:05:00 Yeah, there's that. I wonder who wrote it. I don't know, it just struck me it was a big story and I completely missed it but as I started to read into it, like, you know, this is actually very sad. And it's probably not a toxic culture. Not at all. It's just trying to get shit done. It's just the way it is. You're working for a company, the boss says, hey, you guys are screwing up, stop it. Exactly. And oh, what am I going to do? The boss scolded me. But I see this in many companies.

2:05:38 I see this around town. There are companies and the young kids and when they have a place to communicate that is like the company place and they can create a little secret chat room, that's where the toxicity actually occurs. Because they're all like, oh, this guy sucks, that guy said, oh, it triggered me with this, triggered me. I think that this is a very bad trend, let me put it that way. And it's being reported on as these poor kids, and the woman got kicked out of her own company. Yeah, just for being a normal boss. Kind of. Oh, I'd love to do an interview with her. Let's make it happen. Let's make it happen, people. Now, make it happen, people. Oh, you said make it happen. This is terrible. I'm triggered.

CHAPTER 21 / 25 Discussion

Digital Footprints, Workplace Discipline and Tough Love

The hosts discuss the dangers of permanent digital footprints, citing the Strzok-Page texts and private Slack rooms as examples of technology "biting people in the ass." They argue that modern managers are unable to provide "tough love" or direct criticism due to HR concerns and "social justice warrior" employees. John Dvorak and Adam Curry share anecdotes from their past careers about enforcing office hours and criticizing poor writing without causing "crying" or lawsuits.

slack· whatsapp· digital footprint· hr issues· tough love· workplace productivity

2:06:27 What is he trying to say? Make it happen. Is that something wrong with me? Okay. I think here's what really needs discussion, discussing. I think what really, what really needs discussing is what can you do about it? What can you do about, what can you do to make it so that you don't have these secret rooms and all the rest of it? It's like, what's his name said? One of the Struck or Paid? No, it was this other guy, the lawyer. He says, oh, this is time for the secret society or the former secret society. What we've had today are all examples of the absolute downside of technology. The Struck and Paid text messages.

2:07:18 They never thought about that. They never thought, you know, this will come out somewhere, it'll be used. This will come out and bite me in the ass. Right. So now we have the Slack thing, we have the Ring thing. I mean, all of the stack, all of this stuff on top of each other. And even the BBC reported on members of child abuse whatsapp group arrested in 11 countries. What are you doing on whatsapp communicating about things? It's a head slapper to me. It's just we are going down the tubes

2:07:57 The tubes, going down the tubes with all of this stuff. You know, post the wrong thing on social media, get fired. There needs to be a preparedness for people as to what, and you've been a big proponent of this, as to what your digital footprint is, what you're doing, what you're leaving behind, what you're signing up to, what you're getting involved in. I don't feel necessarily compelled to be the teacher, but I am noticing that this is a trend and it's a trend within companies with young people and it's not working out well for these companies. There's HR issues everywhere. Well, the companies are suffering. Yes. And the problem is you have a bunch of dipshits working for you. You can't call them out properly. You don't know how to do it.

2:08:48 Which I think is the big problem. Yes, that yes. You hire these boneheads, they come in, they're all, you know, they know how to use Word, they know all the tech stuff and they've never worked a job in their life and you, but you can't really blame them for that because there's no jobs available. but they don't, but they have, but they're all social justice warriors underneath it all. And their real expertise is in gender studies. I know I'm beating that joke to death. It's true. It's true. And that's true. And they have, and they have a debt employees and they're all working behind the scenes to really hurt your company. And this article hurt the company. I'm sure. Oh yeah. Got the CEO fired.

2:09:27 You've got to keep these people from getting in the company in the first place. Let them work for a volunteer organization. I have no sympathy for these kids. I actually found myself sympathizing a bit with you. Yeah, I know you do. You have more than I do, that's for sure. You don't have to say that with such an ugly tone in your voice. That's not necessary. I'm triggered. I'm going to my Slack safe space. I'm going into my safe space. Leave me alone, Dvorak. Anyway, just bring it up. They used to call it tough love used to be a big deal. Now it's like no, nobody even mentions that anymore. You can't do that. Yeah, you can't do tough love. You can't go up to an employee and say, you suck, you stink. Have you ever done that? You know what, do you remember? Wait, wait, wait. Remember what I used to do? When I was the editor of InfoWare, there was this writer.

2:10:23 And I was, she came in and... Oh, you would have been in jail if this had happened. I don't know what I said to her, but I told her I was deconstructing one of her pieces and I said, you know, there were problems with this article and this, and I criticized her. And I wasn't gonna fire her, it wasn't a market against her, she was a good writer generally speaking. But there's this piece of it like, so the boss comes in later and says, what did you do to, what's her name? She comes into my office crying. I said, I didn't do anything. Do you remember what I did in San Francisco when we had the Mevio?

2:11:05 Yeah. You and I will be chatting, we'll be standing downstairs. Oh this is you and the clock. Yeah and it's like 10 o'clock and people are coming in I said we start at 830 here to everyone who came in. You're actually scolding these guys as they came in late. Yeah. Which is pretty much the whole company. Yeah I said we start at 830. Yeah, you couldn't do that these days. No. I'd be kicked out for abusiveness. You're too abusive. That was very abusive of you. Yes, that's my story. I'm gonna show my support by donating to No Agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh yeah, that'd be fab. Yeah, on No Agenda.

CHAPTER 22 / 25 Discussion

No Agenda Meetups, Central Texas Sheet Up Event

Adam Curry announces the "No Agenda Central Texas Sheet Up," a shooting event at the Lone Star Gun Range in Lockhart, Texas. He recounts a four-course meal cooked by "Sir Gene," which included butternut squash soup and filet mignon. Other upcoming meetups are listed for Myrtle Beach, North Carolina, and Florida, encouraging listeners to visit the official meetup website for details.

no agenda meetups· lockhart texas· sir gene· gun range· myrtle beach

2:32:36 Again, this is the longest job I've ever held down. It's been this one. Well, thank you to our producers and once again to our executive producers and associate executive producers. It's highly appreciated what you do here. And thank you to everybody who came in under $50. You're on those programs. We must have gotten some 12-12s because that was part of the promotion for today, wasn't it? Yes, that was the low end of the spectrum for promotions. And we did get quite a few. 12, so yeah, we have 96, about 20. Well, I would thank you, but you can really thank yourself because it's your podcast and you're producing it and you should be mighty proud of it. We may not be an award winner anymore. Did you see who won the awards? It's so fake. Let me see if I still have that.

2:33:28 We've discussed that. Yeah, but I wanted to share this one. This is CNBC Kara Swisher who has been awarded podcast of the year by Adweek magazine, but listen to this little back and forth. Okay, that's unlistenable. I'm sorry. I don't know what happened. Could you even hear any of that? Is that from the podcast? Here's the karmas as requested and some job and health for you. Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs. Let's vote for jobs! You've got karma. And remember us for Sunday show at devorak.org slash n-a.

2:34:19 I got a couple of belated birthdays to start off with. We have Sir Convince says happy birthday to his daughter Christina. She turned 26 on December 10th. Dave Stickler celebrated on the 8th of December. Alex Perkins is celebrating yesterday and looking forward Kevin Silverman has his birthday on the 14th. Sir Finch It says happy birthday to his sister-in-law, Nicole. She'll be celebrating on the 19th. That'll be our show number 1,200. Francis Albert Sinatra would have celebrated his birthday today. Thank you, Darren O, for pointing that out. And finally, Baron Sir Arthur Gobert's hugger of kiddies turns 50 years old today. We say happy birthday to everybody here at the best podcast in the universe! And what do we have? Oh, I think we should do a...

2:35:07 Uh, shouldn't we do a quick meetup overview? It's like a party! Cause we got a meetup taking place today, Myrtle Beach! It's the Christmas meetup at 7 o'clock, that'll be at the... Venue in Myrtle. Oh, look for heads on sticks. Meet at venue. Okay, Rusty Jones. Go to noagendameetups.com so you can find out exactly where to be. Saturday we had the No Agenda Central Texas Sheet Up. That's the new name. It's the Sheet... It's the Meet Shoot Up, but it's the Sheet Up. The official black baronet of the No Agenda Armory invites you to the first ever No Agenda Meet Shoot.

2:35:50 This event will be a day-long event held at the Lone Star Gun Range outside of Lockhart, Texas. Come rain, snow, or shine. And I'm going to be there. I'm going with Sir Gene. And we're bringing... I'm bringing some of my stuff, but Gene's got the hardware, ladies and gentlemen. Be on the lookout for Sir Gene, the Duke. Earl, what is he? Isn't he the Sheriff de Marriott? Is he? He's the sheriff. No, he's an Earl or Duke by now. He's something else. Yeah, I think he pushes this. I think it's Earl. So Gene came over Friday. He had promised that he would cook for us. Oh my God. So he shows up. He backs his truck up to the front door. He's wearing a chef's outfit, John.

2:36:37 Right down to the black crocs. I mean he's got the whole thing the whole look He's got the chef's garb on and everything I have to say sir Gene can cook man when he cooks Okay, it was four course meal which he told us about which is a lot. There's a lot of food It was butternut squash soup, which he had first air fried the squash with the onions and the carrots, and then he put them in the Instapot, and then he put it into the soup and put pieces of goat cheese melted in there. That was fantastic. Then he had a pork loin rolled up with walnuts and cranberries. Then a filet mignon followed by homemade, right there, he brought the ice cream maker, hemp ice cream.

2:37:24 Oh, really? The whole meal was dynamite. Now we started eating, or he came at like 630. We didn't finish eating until 11. It was insane. Anyway, come and meet Sir Gene at the Sheet Up. I'm looking forward to it. That's going to be a fun one. It's been a while since we've just gone. And apparently this gun range is, you know, they're not like, they're safe, but you can just shoot shit up. So that's what that's the good gut wrench. Usually the private ones let you do that. You can take your old TV. Yeah. Put it out there and blow it up. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Or somebody's book a friend of yours you don't like put his book there and shoot holes in it. I've shot holes in your book. I think I should take some of my old phones.

2:38:13 Old phones are fun to shoot. That should be fun to shoot. Yeah, shoot those up. A little Tannerite. All right, Saturday the Eastern North Carolina shills. That'll be 630 Eastern and that is at the Cleveland Draft House in Garner, North Carolina. No agenda Central Florida bi-monthly meetup number three. That'll be at the Deadly Sins Brewing in Winter Park also on Saturday and then for next Thursday I'll just shoot ahead for that the Charleston, South Carolina Holiday Time meet up at 530 and that'll be at Edmunds Cast Brewing Company Dame Jennifer Buchanan will be hosting that well-known from Animated No Agenda so go say hi to her and tell her how fantastic she is and well thanks everybody

2:38:56 And that's it. I don't have any more that I have no nights. I've got no No title changes. That's where we're at. Hmm. Let me see that I had I'm sure we have some clips to To leave the show with well, I've got a quite a bit, but I'm gonna tease one for the next show Okay, mainly because it's really a I have the one Miss Universe clip. I took oh, yes, I I might get a couple more, but this was the one from the winner, her question and answer, and it had to do with climate change. It was bogus. And Harvey... He rolled his eyes. I saw this one. He rolled his eyes when he asked... They should fire him for that. Or actually what they should fire him for was his outfit.

CHAPTER 23 / 25 Discussion

Quantum Computing Skepticism, Google vs. IBM Summit

On Glenn Beck's program, tech analyst Jeff Brown claimed that Google's refrigerator-sized quantum computer outperformed the world's most powerful supercomputer, Summit, solving a problem in 200 seconds that would take 10,000 years. The hosts express deep skepticism regarding quantum computing, questioning how anyone can verify the results of a calculation that supposedly takes millennia to check. They dismiss the technology as "fishy" and "bull crap."

glenn beck· jeff brown· quantum computing· google· ibm summit· petaflops

2:39:45 I guess after the circus folded, he went to the auction. No man, Trump doesn't produce this thing anymore. So now it's idiots who are doing it. You know exactly what's happening. When Trump was doing it, it was much better. And he had his better sense of these things than these guys did. Yeah. I noticed that, uh, well I got, I got one clip that I can play. It's pretty good way to leave off. This is Glenn Beck. And he brought this guy on Jeff Brown and apparently somebody made a, and I'm not buying any of it because I'm not a big believer in quantum computing or the fact that anyone can get it to actually do anything. And I've talked to people that have reported on this technology for years and I can't find one of them that doesn't think the whole thing is fishy.

2:40:33 But but this guy Jeff Brown's all in and so he comes on and he starts talking about the how long is this clip? 147. Yeah, he comes on and then Beck asked the most something that most interviewers would not ask They would just let this guy ramble but Beck asked a question at the end that to me was like, yeah That's a question and right now that computer is called it was actually partially built by IBM, and it's at one of the Department of Energy's national laboratories, and it's capable of something called 200 petaflops per second, which is, just imagine football field-sized data centers full of racks and racks of very powerful computers and servers. And the job is simply just to compute.

2:41:24 The most complex problems known to man that's what that was designed for and one ball field size football field size Okay, so you you connect all of these systems together in there one large massive supercomputer And the US has the most powerful supercomputer on earth. That's the summit and For perspective the the quantum computer that was developed by Google is the size of a refrigerator and Wow. And there's a couple racks of equipment that kind of help orchestrate everything, but it's not a big computing system. It's the size of a refrigerator. And that single computer was able to outperform Summit, the most powerful supercomputer on earth. And the way they tested it is they developed a very complex problem to solve. And the quantum computer at Google solved it in 200 seconds.

2:42:25 200 seconds and Google calculated that it would take the summit computer about 10,000 years to solve the same problem. How do they know they got it right? Yeah. If the guy never answers the question. What he should have said was, that's a great question. But no, of course he can't answer the question. No, he went, uh, cause no one ever asked the question. That's a good one. If it takes 10,000 years to solve a problem, how do you know you got it right with this other disincuted coughed out the number six and you're fine. You're good to go. Bull crap.

CHAPTER 24 / 25 Discussion

Jersey City Shooting, Black Hebrew Israelite Connection

A targeted attack on a Jewish bakery in Jersey City left multiple people dead, with investigators finding a note containing anti-Semitic and anti-police sentiments. One suspect, David Anderson, was linked to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, the same group involved in the 2019 Covington High School incident. The hosts argue the media is downplaying the story because the perpetrators do not fit the "white nationalist" narrative.

jersey city· anti-semitism· black hebrew israelites· covington high school· hate crime

2:43:08 Well, you know the the true answer there is what has science done for you lately? It's not the one I wanted. Where's dr. Kiki with her science shut up already. It's science. All right, shut up. Well, I That was a good one. I just want to leave with this because you're not going to hear about the story anymore and we try to report on stuff that is being obfuscated from your view for very obvious reasons. Also, I lived in Jersey a long time. I know Jersey City extremely well and there was a gun battle

2:43:46 in Jersey City the other day and it was targeted as it turns out it was anti-semitic it was targeted a Jewish bakery it was done with assault assault rifles multiple people were killed oh you didn't hear about it oh of course because the perpetrators perpetrators We're black. Doesn't fit the narrative. Not a white guy. Let's not report. But there's more to the story. Officials tonight are not saying what the motive for the attack might have been. A law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN there was a note found in the U-Haul which contained both anti-Semitic

2:44:25 and anti-police writing on it. Social media posts with similar sentiments have been found online. And the New York Times reports suspect David Anderson appears to have a connection to the Black Hebrew Israelite movement, which has expressed anti-Semitic sentiments. Experts say investigators are likely focusing on whether this was a hate crime and whether the two suspects acted alone. Are there other people associated with these two who are going to continue a plot? Combine that with the fact that quite often we see copycats. There are those out there who are being radicalized that we don't know. The black Hebrew Israelites, do you remember where we heard these guys? I don't remember this. Remember the kids who, the MAGA hat with the American Indian and the Covington High School kids? Oh yeah. They were being taunted by?

2:45:17 Black guys black Hebrew Israelites, and there's Uncorroborated but some reporting that there may be a direct connection to this group who did this But don't worry about it because it wasn't a white guy, so you're not gonna hear about it It's not an interesting story and besides Trump Trump! And of course we're susceptible to that too. And we will report on the Afghani papers, Afghanistan papers, which is another thing that is being ignored. That's probably the most important story of our time actually. End of show mixes, please pay close attention to Sir Seat Sitter's QAnon Man. I'll have that one up first. Then we have some Jesse Coy Nelson. We've got some Leo Lapuke and Jeremy Cartwright. And... Coming up after the show on noagendastream.com, my most recent interview with Dr. Steve Pachanik. You can have a listen about his book, which will never be printed. You can only download it, and for good reason.

CHAPTER 25 / 25 Discussion

No Agenda Episode 1198 Outro, End of Show Mixes

The episode concludes with a series of musical mixes parodying QAnon, Joe Biden's "push-up" challenge, and Greta Thunberg's Time Person of the Year award. A segment also mocks a Facebook debate over the gender-neutral naming of Santa Claus. Adam Curry promotes his recent interview with Dr. Steve Pachanik on the No Agenda Stream before signing off with John Dvorak.

qanon· joe biden· greta thunberg· santa claus· steve pachanik· adam curry

2:46:16 And coming to you from Opportunity Zone 33 here in the city of Austin, Texas, capital of the drone star state. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Currie. And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We return on Sunday with another episode of the No Agenda Show. Two more to go until 1200. See you there and remember Dvorak.org slash NA. Until then, adios mofos and such. It's the 9th of December, 2019. The IG report drops any minute. There's so much excitement. Unseal the indictments. Can't wait to see Hillary in prison.

2:47:23 Then the IG report dropped suddenly And I scrolled through to see what it showed It says Russia hate was all A-OK And I'm left here sucking a joke Till Bar the Return String us along, Mr. QAnon Man String us along forever String us along for eternity So we never rise up altogether

2:48:22 Now John Brennan may be above the law And Clapper may always run free But we still might give a cave and we'll all be good slaves Because QAnon will always be bad So tell us it's all okay Just shut up and trust the plan One day the whole swamp will be drained Just trust Mr. QAnon, man QAnon, nom nom nom nom nom The prize of just getting strung along String us along, Mr. QAnon man Just tell us who all trusts the plan

2:49:16 Because otherwise we might all resist And take things into our own hands Rising up at a town hall meeting Dude asked a question, he took his chances Joe got irate and he wanted to do push-ups Just to distract from his son Hunter Biden Nancy was asked why she hates Trump

2:49:59 She replied with passion and word fumbling Impeachment interest has been sinking so fast She must fight to add spice to this story It's the hire of the codgers who are losing the fight Getting cranky with the challenge of a question As the words get so muddled deep within the brain I seriously think some of them should retire You're a damn liar, man. That's not true. I don't hate anybody. I don't have any grades, and I'm without. I don't hate anybody. If you want to check my shape, let's do push-ups together, man. Let's run. Let's do whatever you want to do. I think he's in denial about the climate crisis. Get your work straight, Jack. Oh, crap. Look, here's the deal. You're too old to go for that. So don't mess with me when it comes to work. All right, I get it.

2:50:59 We did it better. A growing number of Americans are worried climate change is a real crisis. The Time Person of the Year is 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg. They said acknowledge that climate change is a crisis and act accordingly. Wildfires, droughts, heat waves, intensifying storms, melting in the Arctic and the Antarctic.

2:51:37 extinction of species. This is what I want you to focus on. The Time Person of the Year is 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg. wildfires, droughts, heat waves, intensifying storms, melting in the Arctic and the Antarctic, extinction of species. We need to focus on all of these things. This is my message. This is what I want you to focus on. The Time Person of the Year is 16-year-old climate change activist Greta Thunberg. A global collaboration of more than 250 news outlets to enhance coverage of the climate story. A debate about the gender of Santa Claus has now broke out on Facebook after a mother in England that she had been shamed for not using a gender neutral name for Santa Claus. The mother claimed in the viral post that she had been attacked for using the name Father Christmas to describe the bearded character.

2:52:38 This caused everybody in the Facebook group to completely erupt and explode on her. How dare you refer to Santa Claus as Father Christmas? How dare you? Because they think a big fat man with a long white curly beard might be a chick. They might want to date that chick. You have stolen my childhood. Father Christmas is not being very nice to me. Father Christmas! Punch him. I'm a flawed human being?