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00:01 Hey everybody, welcome once again to the show that has absolutely no commercials, no music, no jingles, no talent, no Rovirus and no agenda. Coming to you from a very dark and wet United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. You know, I'm John C. DeVore, we're getting pounded by a huge storm. You were just, just before we started, you were, what were you closing the window or something or putting a screen up? No, I had, it looks like the screen is gonna fly out into the ocean here if I don't, so I had to open the window to grab it and now it's, and it was just like got everything wet. So what are these winds? Because I even saw a news report about it somewhere. I was aware of this, that this was happening.

00:46 Yeah, it's just a big, you know, once in a while we get these whopper storms. You don't get a lot of action usually. But there's these two storms that came in. One came in at four in the morning last night. It was just like 60 mile an hour winds, cold and raining. I like to an extreme. In fact, this morning I was trying to do some work here and I was like so noisy I couldn't even concentrate, which is unusual. And it's also coming from a weird angle, which is always annoying. It kind of messes up the, you know, most people's houses are kind of set up in a certain way so the shingles don't go flying off the roof.

01:25 I'm gonna check this roof after this one. Okay. Well real sorry for all you folks in California I mean we're used to that shit. We got high winds all the time. No you don't get this kind of weather I mean why I've been in London when it's been pretty bad, but no no It can be pretty pretty weird anyway. It's Friday afternoon or at least it is It's actually it's a Friday evening 7 o'clock in the in the UK and So one day early or actually on time for once. Right, we're supposed to do it on Friday but we never do. And I figured out the Skype problem and I really feel dorky about it. You know, you remember last week the connection got so bad at a certain point that we actually turned the conversation into how can we do this in an easier way that at least will sound good.

02:15 I had my- I'm on the PC when I do this because it's kind of like permanently installed in the studio. And I had my MacBook Pro up here in the office and I had left iTunes running. And it was- I know, I'm such a dick. So it was downloading podcasts. Well, you know, when you're on the sorry ass DSL line like I have here then that just blew it all so. My fault. Won't happen again. Good. But you sounded fine the whole podcast. Well, yeah, because it's recording my mic. You listen to it? You listen to the show? Yeah. Really? No, no, I mean...

02:59 No, but what I'm referring to is during the show, when we were recording it. Okay, now I understand. You sounded fine. I don't really listen to the show. There's no real reason to listen to the show since I've done the show. Right, that's why I was surprised. I thought you had gone back and listened to the show. I don't listen to my show. Once in a while, just to see how the quality is. Most people think our quality is actually pretty decent. That's not bad. Yeah, so you know this week of course we just happen to be having pod show meetings and I Asked you so let's just do the show now Because we're absolutely as unprepared as possible Which I think is the kind of the theme of the show just to show people that it can be done that way yes, I

03:42 And so that's it then. Why don't we talk about one thing that happened to you. You had norovirus. Yeah, that's the epidemic that is sweeping across the continent now. They call it the vomiting virus. Not that I vomited because I don't do that. In the United States that would be known as the stomach flu, which we've had bouts with now and again. But it seems as though England in particular is just very hard hit. Now you're telling me it hit the continent too? Yeah, well, at least those are the reports that I've been getting. First of all, they actually, the BBC report says that the symptoms are projectile vomiting. So that is not just a stomach flu.

04:34 I like it. I like the BBC writing that down. You're a projectile vomit. Which I have never done in my life. Did you? Projectile vomit? No, I haven't puked in 30 years, John. I don't puke. Oh, one of those guys. I knew I had a friend in high school that never puked. It's not like I, like I, you know, I just don't have to puke. I'm sorry. I'm not a puker. What can I tell you? The whole family is anti-puke here, by the way. So you didn't have projectile vomiting? No, well, no. So there's so much for the symptoms? No, because the symptoms can be high fever, which I had. I had an upset stomach for sure, it's just I don't puke. That's the only difference. Believe me, there's enough projectiles. Just not vomit. Oh, I get it. Catch my drift. We won't go there. Okay, thank you. But this is highly contagious.

05:29 And, you know, so I posted on my blog that, you know, okay, I'm sick and then the reports came out about this virus and then, you know, everyone in the country is, you know, every news reporter is talking about it and they're saying, look, you know, so you got a fever, you're sick to your stomach, don't go to the doctor, you're only going to infect more people. It's infecting 200,000 people a week. They believe that there may already be 2 million people in the UK alone who were infected and when I posted on my weblog I started getting comments from everywhere from the Netherlands from Germany from Finland from Italy I mean this thing is just and it's really really really fast, and you get it by being in close proximity to someone else so

06:18 sporting events, airplanes, ships. In fact, I think it's the Queen Mary 2 that had... they set sail and there's like 50 people who have the flu on board now. Yeah, well that you know and of course the smart money whether you have the flu or not you say you didn't get a free ride Okay, so no in fact It's like the biggest scam going right now people who do they get on a cruise ship? and then they if there's any indication that something's breaking out they go in with the symptoms and You know you have some good glass of Tabasco sauce if you want to elevate your temperature and really that work going

07:00 Well, no, if you eat some really hot food, some very spicy Mexican food, some jalapenos, you can get your temperature up a few notches. Really? I should have known that as a kid, man. I was always running around my room and trying to work up my body temperature that way. Most kids can't handle it. But yeah, you see people that sweat. I'm reminded of a story. So do you know in California a lot of us eat a lot of hot chilies? and although not necessarily as much as some of us do who are really kind of addicted to the chili and and I'm quite comfortable with the hottest imaginable food except some places in India has served food that is Excruciating and maybe too too much for me, but so I'm in Brazil. Well. You're a professional John. Let's just be honest I mean, let's just call a spade a spade doing what you're a professional foodie. Yeah, I

07:54 I'm a foodie, yeah. So anyway, so I'm... By the way, the thing about chilies for people out there who want to say, what's the big kick? Well, I mean, besides the fact you get a little endorphin hit, the real kick of chilies is it actually changes because it burns out certain taste buds for a short term. It changes the flavor profile of foods and the food tastes differently and sometimes it's meant to taste that differently way for you to fully appreciate it. So I'm in Brazil, where they really like hot chilies, but not that many people actually in Brazil eat them, but they're all over the place. And when I go to these churrascarias, which are these Brazilian barbecue places, which are all over the world now, but any of them outside of Brazil, they never have the chili sauces. They usually, in Brazil, you go to one of these places where they have these barbecued meats on a sword they bring out, and you ask for this piece or that piece. They have like this, they have these hot

08:50 some scotch bonnets and these really little bitty, really dinky little peppers that are extremely hot. And you eat those first before you get to the meat? The peppers are usually soaked in a vinegar or a vinegar oil mixture and it's that mixture, the oil and vinegar you put on the meat. You don't ever eat the peppers. Oh, okay. Generally. Generally. It's just a hot, it's really kind of a version of a hot sauce. It's very, and it can be extremely hot. Anyway, so I'm in Brazil and this guy's in Rio actually, at a little barbecue place right on the beach. And the guy says, this guy, he's another journalist, and he challenges me to these peppers thinking I'm just some sort of wimp from the United States who doesn't know anything about peppers.

09:37 So I say, he says, did you ever have these pepper sauce? I say, yeah, those peppers are pretty hot, they're pretty nice. He says, would you ever eat one of the peppers? What kind of a child was this guy? I know, he's just a jerk. A typical journalist. Anyway, so, whoops. Anyway, so, I said, yeah, I'll eat one if you eat one. Here we go. How mature. So he says, okay. And so I took one of the peppers and chewed it up and swallowed it. And it was hot, but it wasn't intolerably hot. I mean, there's many a pepper hotter than anything.

10:14 And he says, you want to have another one? I said, you want to have another one? Because he put one in his mouth. And he says, sure. And so we took another one, I chewed it up and swallowed it. And that was kind of the end of it for about five or six minutes. And then all of a sudden, out of the blue, this guy turns beet red. And starts projectile vomiting. Well, he doesn't do that, but that's a funny punchline. But anyway, so he turns beet red and he's like dying, sweating, he's drinking water. And I said, what happened? He says, well, I saw you. He says, I didn't eat the peppers. I just put them in my mouth and kind of saved them. Oh, you kept them in his mouth? Oh no. And then he says, and then when I saw that you ate them and swallowed them with no problem, I decided

11:02 I decided they can't be that hot. And so, I thought this was a personal, this is one of those anecdotes for the audience. Showing how the immature adults can be. So we were talking about this, just back to the flu for a second, we were talking about that earlier in the week and you said something really interesting after I made a comment. You said it would be a great theme for a book. And this is a theory that I've had for a long time, is that, you know, every season, I'm sure some pharmaceutical conspiracy throws shit into the air so that they can go sell all the antidote.

11:44 Yeah, I know you said that. It's a nut job thing to say, but I was thinking, well, it wouldn't actually be a bad idea for a book or a crappy TV show or something like that. Well, just think about it. Patricia, as long as I've been married to her, she and even as long as I've known her, She's always gotten a flu shot every single year. She's a big believer. I am not a believer in the flu shot because... At least, I wasn't a believer in the flu shot because I'm like, how the hell can they have this? This thing changes, it morphs, it comes back in different... At least, this is what I think we're led to believe is that, you know, when this flu comes back and it's amazing how it always comes back kind of in the wintertime. But now these flu jabs, which are not cheap,

12:28 They work. Ten bucks, come on. Ten bucks? But they- Ten bucks, what do you mean they're not cheap? But they- but they work, right? Yeah, they do. Okay, so... Well, now you're changing your whole pitch here on the other story. I'm saying they're pre-selling the antidote. It's a form of extortion. Yes, yeah, there you go. Yeah, no, I understand that. I've thought that myself once in a while. It's like these guys dream up these, you know, there's actually typically four vaccines in a flu shot. for four different versions of the flu that they predict based on epidemiology and some other things. I don't know. Is it really a prediction or do they know what they're going to throw in the air? That's what I'm saying. Steve, that's what you're saying and I can imagine other people thinking that.

13:19 I mean, it's an interesting theory to consider. But I think if you talk to a virologist, you might get a reasonable, maybe you should get one on the show and somebody can explain to us how this actually does work because I don't believe for a minute that they have to because of the way the flu perpetrates itself, or generates itself, perpetrates is not the right word, but you know, spreads itself. They don't have to do what you're claiming. People do it on their own. People sneeze on each other, they don't use a Kleenex, they blow their nose. But the actual flu itself, right? I mean, this thing comes and it goes. Why does it appear all of a sudden? Why does the flu just appear? So they know what it is because they can create the antidote for it, right?

14:05 The vaccine. The vaccine. I like antidote sounds better. I like the antidote though, it's a funny idea. And then, and then, you know, lo and behold, the virus shows up. But where does that virus originate from? And how come it's exactly the virus that they have the antidote for? China. Yet, yet, you know, bird flu we can't figure out when that one hits. I don't know, it just, I just got a weird feeling about it. I don't know. Well, I mean, I'd say I think a lot of people are like you, you know, misinformed. Blonde, really not too interested in science or anything like that. No, not at all interested in that kind of stuff. Forget about it. Why don't we get a virologist and we'll talk to him and we'll figure this out and maybe educate ourselves and the public. You know, we we don't usually comment on news stories, but you know, this story that's been

15:04 whipping around the blogosphere about the RIAA. Apparently some lawyer in a court case stated that making a copy of a CD, that would be deemed stealing. By the way, this is my PC Magazine column for this week, by the way. Well, let me just see if we're talking about the same thing. Yeah, we're talking about the idea that if you rip... No, wait, wait, stop. No, stop, John. No, no, I'm doing my research. Listen to this. Listen to this. It turns out that this started in a Washington Post article.

15:44 Written by a guy named Fisher. I believe I know I know I refer to this article and then Steve Weldstrom at the business week and a few other guys that come out and said as his ball no This doesn't no no no you're missing it you Listen to me now Let me finish this let me finish the sentence he only he only cited half of the quote The quote that the person from the RIAA made was, if you rip a CD, put it on your hard drive in a shared folder, that would be deemed illegal. And he chose not to quote that part in the article. That you didn't know.

16:29 Well, okay. But that's a big deal. They have been skirting. It's a big deal for this particular episode. They have been skirting around this possibility of finding some way to condemn MP3s to some illegal status. for some time. They talk about it every once in a while. And Waldstrom at Business Week wrote this up, and they cited the, you know, there's a US code law that says that you're allowed to make, it was put in the law, you're allowed to make copies for personal use, and it went on and on. But if you read that law very carefully, and I wrote this actually in a comment on the Business Week site,

17:08 If you read it very carefully, it specifically says what you can make copies onto and a computer hard disk is not one of them under any circumstances. And I believe that they're going to find some way because of the way that law is written to skirt the personal copy protection issue because a hard disk is not protected by that law. The only things that are are audio recording devices, whether digital or analog, not hard disks. I think you're downplaying my point. I'm not downplaying it, I'm ignoring it. You're gonna hate it because it's gonna be bigger than the story. The journalist made a huge journalistic mistake and won't admit it.

17:53 Oh, well that's an issue. And I know what your point is, is that here's a guy who took a thing out of context and then he made a big story, article out of it. And meanwhile, it's like one of those deals where you misquote somebody and you make a federal case out of it. Yeah, yeah, that's, you're right. It's a completely different point than my point. But I still think that underlying the whole thing is this, is the RIA's attempt to genuinely kill off the MP3. Wow. Well, so is the reverse also true? If I buy tracks off of iTunes and then I burn it to a CD, is that okay? I don't know. That's all I know. I'm done.

18:33 I am of no further use on this topic. Alright, I'm sorry. I was really interested in the journalistic angle to it. That's what free... The journalistic angle is he did a bad thing and he's probably got chewed out for it already, I'm sure. Yeah, well, he won't admit to it, which is the interesting part about it. Well, that doesn't make sense. Generally speaking, your best bet is to admit you screwed up uh... as fast as you can and then go back to the point in the you know that you're trying to make to begin with and can approve that your screw-up had nothing to do with your point that's what you try to do if you can but if you're not received a screw-up is fundamental to the point uh... then dr a lot i'm uh... i'm really nervous about a new tsa initiative john well here we go again yeah uh...

19:25 You know, being a mild sufferer of Tourette's Syndrome, the TSA has actually for a while now apparently have initiated the SPOT program, which stands for Screening Passengers by Observation Technique. I'm not kidding. Listen to this. Since January 2006, behavior detection officers I love that title. I wonder if they have a badge. Oh, I gotta get a business card. I think I'm gonna get a Podshow business card that has that as my title. Behavior detection officer. Have referred about 70,000 people for secondary screening.

20:11 Of those, now check this out, about 600 to 700 were arrested on a variety of charges including possession of drugs, weapons violations, and outstanding warrants. And I'm like, wait a minute. Maybe I'm just nuts, but now we have the TSA just randomly, you know, choosing you at the airport and now if I'm carrying Some prescription drugs without a prescription. You know, I can get busted? I mean, what is this? It's just, isn't that unreasonable search? Well, I think it's profiling, but they've come up with a new way to circumvent the profiling provisions. Interesting. It's behavior. I have to get that behavior. What is it again? It's a... Hold on, let me go back to it. Behavioral observation officer or something like that. Behavior detection officer. Behavior detection officer. I like it. So a question's like, how are you today?

21:12 Where are you heading? Is this all your property? Uh, this is- I'll send you this article. It's a great article, but here's what was funny. I gotta blog it. Yeah, you do. Um... TSA... To emphasize the sensitivity TSA is bringing to the program, they had a meeting with an association for people with Tourette's disorder to assure them that having a tick will not result in a pat-down. So, I'm gonna get a note from the doctor. So I'm sorry, you can't actually pat me down because I have Tourette's syndrome. Unbelievable. You don't have the cussing type, though. You have the Tourette's that results in like one tick that's ridiculously minor that's hardly noticeable.

22:00 That's it. Yeah, well are you a neat freak most Tourette's syndrome people the ones that have a good case of it or if above all? No, no, not at all. Not at all. You don't even get the good advantage of it now. No, and it's it's in our family It's hereditary. We just have some you know, okay, so you don't have the neat thing going. Yeah, I There was a good special on PBS about tourists It was quite quite an interesting and you know the crazy parades were Tourette's where people cuss out of the blue way I just want the kids are you talking about the kids? No, it was a whole bunch. It was just a whole show as long as a few years ago I but it was a good education for anyone who didn't understand what it was mm-hmm cuz you cuz you can see some of these people once when I say I guys got Tourette's you don't think much about it Although I did see a guy thrown off of an airplane for having it Once you witness that really yeah, I know the guy was good coming I fight I saw right from the get-go I mean first he came going nuts right and

22:58 He was just a mess. He was cussing. It's funny, you can't help but laugh about it. Well, it was kind of amusing, but I felt sorry for the guy for being thrown off the plane because he was obviously harmless. But he was like a mess. And besides the cussing, he was shaking and he couldn't roll his rolly cart, so he had the wheels upside down and he was dragging it along, he was bouncing all over the place. I was wondering if somebody's filming this for some TV show. And he finally got on the plane and he couldn't stop cussing, so they took him off. Well don't forget we do have the no agenda drinking game. I mean, I do a little bit of cussing. Yeah, well... No, but you know what it is? I'm very, very, very mild, but...

23:46 There's sometimes guttural grunting or there's all kinds of weird little shit and it moved for me It's it moves around all over the place. You know for all it's it's not consistent never has been it's in Variations degrees it's it's really weird huh and but there was a I think it was a I don't know if it was a PBS special There was a special about kids with Tourette and my cousin's son, Connor, was like the main character of this special. It's a very, very good... I'll see if I can find it. I'm sure it's on Google Video. Maybe that's what I saw, but I think not. I thought it was more about adults, actually. But maybe I've not seen that one. But I want you to see that you understand what that is.

24:38 Not as does no one really no one really understands it John. There's no I'm saying as a member of the public that that doesn't suffer from it right when you see somebody with it You you know it's not like a big deal. No, and it's very identifiable once you are familiarized with it, too Yep, and I wouldn't have identified your Whatever that one tick you have as anything other than just a nervous Tick that shows up once in a while. Yeah, but it moves around it can go from my Shoulders, I was like whatever. Yeah, I just thought you were uptight

25:15 Yeah, that's unfortunate because I'm pretty fucking laid-back John There's a drink finally just so you know ah there we go yes ah nice one all right So what else we got on the agenda here? I don't know did you have anything specific? I was looking at some stuff that I didn't cover in my tech 5 report. There's a bunch of weird stuff going on and It's not necessarily news related, it's just kind of trends. I noticed that one thing I'm doing on Tech 5 is I'm finding all these laundry lists. At the end of the year, it's like very popular, the eight things about this, the nine things that took place. Yeah, I heard it. The seven things, yeah, well they have, and they're always, there's a formula, which is what fascinates me, is that the last item always sucks as an item. It's like they ran out of material and they make something up.

26:05 and without exception. I was kind of happy I was sick during the during the old and you know the new year switchover because I couldn't then resort to creating one of my own you know. It's not just in you know newspapers it's every everyone's fucking weblog you know everyone's doing it and I'm so so so sick of it. Yeah, I mean I used to work at a couple of places where they required it. You know, you're a columnist, you have to do what's going to happen next year predictions. And I remember the one I wrote some years ago, it was like, you know, the predictions

26:42 Or all if anybody's any good at predicting this because they have inside information. It's not predicting anything Yeah, because especially with high tech It's just impossible and the one thing that is being ignored and I've been harping on this a little bit in some of my columns Is that is the switch that people are making? Subtly that no one's ever said this is a major trend when I think it's the biggest trend in the industry the switch over from desktop computers to laptop computers used as desktop computers yeah almost everybody at pod show except me because I have an iMac with two screens and I don't feel like I should be dragging a laptop all over the place. But everybody except me, as far as, and maybe, I think Garcia maybe doesn't have a laptop, I'm not sure. But anyway, the rest of the, everybody uses laptops and maybe they hook a big screen to them, most of the time they don't even do that, they just use those crappy little laptop screen, the crappy little laptop keyboard, I can't take it.

27:39 And they're all hunched over these things and everybody in most businesses now are using laptops instead of desktops because the laptops are more powerful in many cases. Are you really sure about that? I mean when you say most businesses, I mean you're talking really enterprise-wide? I'm starting to ask around. I'm asking around more and more and more and I'm getting more and more of this. The pod show offices are just the, you know, one of many places when given the opportunity People will take a laptop, yeah. They choose the laptop, they take the laptop home, they have everything they want on the laptop, they lose the laptop and then they're screwed. They don't back things up properly. With the laptop you really have to be conscientious. You should have it password protected so if somebody steals it they can't take all your data. And you should, I mean you definitely should do that. Nobody does that. Nobody backs it up. It's a disaster waiting to happen for most people.

28:31 But what's weirder to me is that the trend kind of took, I think it's taken everyone by surprise. I mean I've been a laptop guy only for years. I mean I don't even remember the last time I had a desktop. To me that's quite normal. And all the companies that I've had in the last 10 years, it was I think all laptops. Even from the mid-90s. Well the crossover point for sales from laptops to desktops has only been within the last couple years. So not everybody was that advanced, but it's an obvious trend to me. I guess I'm just going to be the old-fashioned guy because I still have a laptop that I use. I synchronize it with the desktop. When I travel, I take the laptop and I use it for mostly email and some surfing and stuff like that.

29:18 If I can have a big screen and a big powerful desktop, like for example the machine I'm on now which runs the, I run a whole amp through it. I've got like two DVD burners, one that's a two-sided, and I have a couple of three and a half inch drives, and I have a five and a quarter inch drive on this thing for finding, because once in a while I find an old disk I need to convert it. You know, it's a pretty powerful unit. It's got a lot of USB ports and some other connectivity. It's fast. It's got a terabyte in it. I mean, it just seems to me that I would rather have this than a crappy little laptop that I'm hunched over. I don't know. Maybe I'm getting... I'm just out of... I don't know. No, no. That's cool. But just on the laptop thing, I really enjoyed your article about the one laptop per child. I totally agree.

30:12 Oh, yeah. I got a lot of... That's one of those articles. You got a lot of negativity for it, I'll bet. You get the mix. The absolute split down the middle type of response. I'm an idiot for suggesting it. These people are trying to do good work and I'm in their way, which I always find to be bold. I'm not in anybody's way. I'm just saying stuff. And then there's other guys say yeah, this is a crock and you're right on the money I mean there's nobody in the middle in any way and it's just like you're an idiot or you're You're a great guy kind of thing and you know, I expect that like an article that was good though. I enjoyed that It's just what is one thing I promised I was gonna promise myself. I was gonna talk to you about

30:51 Because, you know, when I was sick I was watching, you know, of course, I was laying there in bed watching tons of conspiracy videos, you know, not much more to do, right? You're gonna make yourself crazy by the way listening to that stuff. No, I actually believe my... I have throttled back because you're right, you go absolutely bonkers from it. But I did run across a reference that came back a couple times and I started to do some research now because of course I had planned to do the show tomorrow. I don't have everything done, but The origin of the name Al-Qaeda. Do you know what that is? Did you ever get that video I sent you from the BBC? Dude, that's what started me off. I watched all three of them. You mean the power of nightmares? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was very good. I posted it. Thanks for reading my fucking weblog, John.

31:40 I even credited you. Oh, well. I don't read a lot. I'm a writer. I write. I don't read So my reading days are over. I'm a lover not a fighter Anyway, it's exactly the same so so origin of the name al-qaeda. Do you know the origin judy? Yeah, I do because I saw those those same specials, but did you do any research into this to make to verify this information? Well, so that's that's what my whole preamble was I did find a couple of articles the Guardian I would say is reasonably trustworthy. Left wing. Well yeah, left wing, but the fact... let me just read this to you. Because it's about Bin Laden, right? So Bin Laden was through a product of monumental miscalculation by Western... throughout the 80s... Wait, wait, wait, wait, I think you better preface to the listeners out there what the answer to the question is before you start to document the answer. Well the answer to the question is coming up in this next sentence. Okay, go. It's just... well the... okay, the answer is

32:42 It stands for the database. That's the answer. It's, is it like, it's Arabic for the database? And the reason why is throughout the 80s bin Laden was armed by the CIA, funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda, literally the database, was originally the computer file of the thousands of Mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. So, the name Al-Qaeda originated with the CIA, according to this. Yeah, well those documentaries from the BBC claim that even after the early events that took place against American facilities like the embassies and whatever, where the Al-Qaeda name came up, that we're the ones who foisted the name on them. Exactly.

33:41 So, but it's been marketed very differently from what it is. And when they first came out and said, it's Al-Qaeda, it basically means, yeah, the list of guys that we gave money to, right? I would have to assume so. But if you ask anyone, what is Al-Qaeda? They immediately imagine this complex network of terror cells throughout the entire world of sleeper cells that are going to pop up and annihilate us all. You know, it's been marketed as this group, you know, the guys in the, I love that every single time they show an Al, they talk about an Al Qaeda training camp, you see those guys on the monkey bars. Don't you love that video? You see some guys with hoods on, on fucking monkey bars, like, okay, yeah, that's really frightening.

34:29 But to me it's just, it's like wow, I totally believed Al-Qaeda was like, you know, this name of these guys, like, you know, Al-Qaeda is the same as, you know, like the IRA, you know what I'm saying? Like a terrorist group. But it's not, it was just the fucking name of the database of the Mujahideen that the CIA funded. That's, to me, is a revelation. But since then, haven't the people involved with bin Laden kind of adopted or in fact co-opted the name and perhaps use it? Because I think Al Jazeera uses it as a name of an organization now. I mean, things change.

35:12 No, I understand, but that's the beauty of it. You know, they threw a fucking media virus into the ether and it's stuck. I mean, it makes... A meme. A meme, yeah. It makes no difference. I'm just amazed. To me, it's just another little tick the box there as to how all this shit was orchestrated. I mean, that's a good job on pumping that one out there, that people now have this Al-Qaeda meme and they believe that it really is this true terror network. That's pretty impressive. Well, you gotta do something to get the people riled up. Well. I'll do some more research on it Yeah, I think it needs you I don't think I don't know if there's anyone's explored it to the nth degree because I'm sure you could actually find

35:55 Some one person if you really did your homework. I hate to use that term because it's not really homework But if you actually didn't have research You could probably narrow it down to some one guy unless of course is buried deep within the confines of the of Langley But I would assume that you know somebody came up with this bright idea calling it that yeah, I Well, it's all over. Sorry? I'm sorry. No, go ahead. No, I was just saying those documentaries are fantastic. Now, who's the name of that guy that produces those? People should look him up because they have most of them on YouTube. They're quite good.

36:32 Yeah, no one on I linked to here He's new one on fear is good, and there's a couple other ones. I'll have to we'll have to Adam Curtis That's his name Adam Curtis Adam Curtis right he has a new one on fear is that what you said? He's got another one out. That's even that's really outstanding son fear fear the politics of fear or something like that It's another three or four parter goes on forever. Yeah, but it with him. You know he does the voiceover and He's got this really interesting voice because it's got this cynicism built into it, the tones. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I mean, it was, there were, the documentaries were well put together for sure. I really liked watching him.

37:10 Yes, and he uses sound effects much the way you and I do. Here and there, which is always hilarious. And he uses that boing sound. You know, there was another documentary I was watching while bedridden. And it was funny because it was called... Oh, it was about the binge drinking here in the UK. And, you know, this New Year celebration, all-time high. I think the record was at one point 500 calls per second were coming into the emergency services about people who, you know, basically alcohol-related problems at that very moment, like dying of poisoning, etc. But alcohol poisoning. And it's just... but this documentary was unbelievable. People of Britain, you're killing yourselves.

37:58 It's it's um. It's it's an epidemic John how much drinking does it entail? What'd you do? I rolled over the headphone wire, and then my head like got stuck between my knees Sorry about that Well, you know, so they had this girl, she's the singer for some non-important pop group, Liberty X, you know, basically needed a gig. And they follow her for, it was one of these 30-day deals like format, and so they follow her for 30 days while she just binge drinks with everyone else and keeps a long pace, and then they basically follow her physical but also her mental abilities, and of course you know what's going to happen and how they decline.

38:43 Etc. But just looking at and of course you know it's just one view and it's edited to show a lot of bad shit So you know but but I do I have a 17 year old daughter And you know she tells me everything and this is actually happening everywhere, and it's bad Well what happens is the the Brits. I'm just gonna generalize for a second they like to they The consensus that I got from the documentary is that the Brits only really feel comfortable socializing when they're drunk. But it's okay. It's not like they're not hiding it. They're not hiding it. Right. Do they have to be quote-unquote drunk? Yeah, drunk.

39:30 Like drunk yeah, like not like one beer no it has to be like eight eight beers You know and and this is it's unfair eight eight pints. Oh John you have no idea how much people can put away here and and I've talked to a lot of Brits about it, and they say hey, it's our culture you know and look it's okay, but And by the way, the majority of the Brits hold their liquor with decency, and with that I mean they don't all get rowdy and fight, they don't all projectile vomit, they don't all fall down. Right, they're not all like the Irish who have been in many a British pub and an Irish guy comes up to you and he starts yelling at you. Exactly.

40:10 And in fact, I have a... He hasn't called in a while, but I had Charles the Drunken Londoner who would call, you know, my show completely fucking hammered, you know? And it's... And he was great! You know, in fact, he started calling sober and he wasn't that funny anymore. Oh yeah, that makes sense. But, but, but you know, so, so they're, they're happy drunks. I got no problem with it, but man, they're fucking, you're killing yourselves. It's just, it's, it's unbelievable that it's gotten to a very, very, I think a critical point. And meanwhile, um, well, isn't that why they used to close the pubs early and then they changed the law. Now you can drink all the time. Now it's 24 hours. Yeah. But it doesn't really matter. Um,

40:52 The increase is not because of that necessarily, I don't think. But it's a coincidence. I mean, there's been lots of studies and some places are turning it back and I don't think it's mandatory. You can set a curfew in a municipality, I guess, if you want to. But it starts early, you know, it's it's you know, let's let's drink eight pints or you know what? I saw in this documentary 18 18 pints 18 18 you keep you on the BBP and all day. Yeah. Well, I Well, you know, there's a lot of cultures like if you go and people I don't think Americans especially don't understand this because you know we don't really like to I mean it's a funny gag to say that you drink during the day but most people don't even drink usually at lunch and I find it difficult to have even a couple glasses of wine if I have a big lunch because I get low-key. Yeah. I can't you know I'm like tired I got to take a nap I mean the French can do it because they you know they take most of their... Because they don't have to work man.

41:55 The lazy French fuckers. But, uh, you know, then the culture is somewhat different and you know, you do things differently there. But anyway, um, where was I going with this? I got interrupted by a, by an I am from someone and I, and I get the phone ringing. So, uh, let that go. Um, now you actually, can you pause this for one second or you just want me to, I'm paused anyway. So I was rudely interrupted by someone sending me an I am telling me I made a bunch of money on a stock. So, I lost my train of thought because of that, because that never happens. So anyway, so if people don't, you know, Americans don't know, you know, we're pretty circumspect about how we drink. I mean, that doesn't mean that people don't get drunk, and it is probably more of a problem if you wait until like 9 o'clock and then just start, you know, pounding drinks, which I think people do.

42:43 But like in Europe, like in Denmark for example, I was, first time I went to Denmark which was I don't know over a decade ago, you go into the airport because I had to get an early flight out and I'm at the airport at 8 830 and everybody's drinking Carlsberg. You know they all have their beers For breakfast yeah, and I'm thinking well, that's kind of interesting Oh the Dutch the Dutch prince when he was still alive every morning. He would have a Heineken beer Yeah, pretty in the morning. Yeah in the morning for breakfast. Well. You know it's a thought yeah, I think I will try that It's a lifestyle choice

43:28 Anyway, you know from a social perspective This country also happens to have an enormously high divorce rate There's tons of kids that shuttle back and forth between moms and dads and cousins and uncles I mean it's an island right it is an island and I And sexual health is also not too fantastic here because people are so fucking drunk, you know, they don't wear protection. Teenage pregnancy is outrageously high. I mean, it's... So I mean, you know, the thing that people have to realize when we talk about somebody drinking eight pints, which are these big giant beer glasses or 18, is that the beer, which is actually ale in England mostly, is very high in alcohol often.

44:19 It's not the 3.2 crap that we get in the United States. It's more like six sometimes seven percent. Oh, yeah, no It's real good. It's at least five five so 18 points is like eight and a half liters Yeah, that's a That would be a lot of alcohol I think that would be like drinking a bottle or a whole bottle of vodka maybe something like that I'm not sure but it's that's what that's what people do John. I'm not kidding you huh? Yeah Yeah, so you learn something new. Yeah, well I've gone pub crawling when I go to London with you. There's some friends there and I will float around. But generally speaking, especially an after work pub crawl, consists of, you know, you actually have two pints. You have one at one pub, then you go visit another, and then you find another pub you want to stay at, and then you have another pint. Yeah. And that's it. Because if you have a third pint, I always lecture people, I'll just say, you want to float around and have three pints of beer.

45:18 It will affect your sense of balance and other things. You think? You know, pretty fast. I mean, you can do two and you don't just guzzle them. You do a couple. I mean, you can drink one fast if you're thirsty, but generally speaking, I mean, you could stay out all night, I guess, but eight, I don't even know how you can manage it. I mean, I'd be throwing up. I would be throwing up and I know how to drink. Well, we're all going to be safe, John. This just came in. Oh, I'm so happy about this. Tens of thousands of airline passenger jets will soon be flying with anti-missile systems. Courtesy of the TSA.

46:07 What is that supposed to mean? Well, here, well, it's exactly what it means. Here, three American airlines have already been outfitted. They fly daily routes between New York and California. Anti-missile jamming laser jammers. Oh God, that's not encouraging. It's let me see what it is. Oh, it's it's oh of course because we want to We want to jam shoulder fired fired missiles Can you believe this shit who manufactured those shoulder fired missiles in the first place? Well? I'm sure some fine American company manufactured them

46:52 Here it is. Although there has not been an attempt to take down a jet on US soil with a shoulder-fired missile, Homeland Security has... Although, you know, a lot of people are still suspicious of that TWA flight. Which one? The one that blew up also, you know, after takeoff. Oh, in New York? It became a big conspiracy theorist's... I don't... I think that was... I've seen the accident data on that. I think that was a very unfortunate rudder problem that was later corrected. That was a fuel tank exploded. That's what they claimed. It's like the fuel tanks blew up. You mean the one that landed like in Brooklyn? No, it was the one that blew up in the middle of the air. It's TWA flight whatever it is. Seven something or other. 700 maybe. Oh, that one. Oh, no. I thought they already

47:43 Said that that was a like a tape recorder that had no that was pan am 103 fuck. I don't know man No, it was a it was the there was an electrical short. I was off the coast and it right right off the coast of Maine Yeah, and then somebody's you know there was a eyewitnesses that said that they saw a missile You know but then these guys were shut up by the government nobody wanted to say anything after that all right well Whoever's making their sounds you this is the one where Pierre Salinger came out. You know the ex-president guy You know a presidential spokesperson for Kennedy comes out and he says he says it was a great government Conspiracy because he got sucked by one of these conspiracy websites and humiliated himself mmM. Oh boy

48:26 Anyway, so it'll only cost 1 million dollar per plane to have this installed. Oh gee I should get into the missile jamming business good business shit. Yeah Unbelievable so this thing gotta be shooting laser rays down at the public or what I don't understand I think there's well. There's two ways that you can and I guess these shoulder missiles so they're either either they're heat-seeking which then you use what's called chaff and Which is basically like throwing aluminum foil into the air and that distracts the missile thinking it needs to go hit that. Oh wait, that's chaff. Chaff is for the... It's hot chaff, yeah. Hot flares usually. Yeah, flares and chaff and then they're gonna jam the radar. I'm like, what the fuck happens after the... So the jet jams the radar, then that thing comes back down to Earth though, doesn't it? There's nobody shooting missiles at these planes yet. Of course not!

49:23 But what a fantastic... Well, of course, this is off of AOL News. So it's the top of their news today. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. We could talk about the caucus, but I don't really understand. The caucus is who cares? This is like, oh, you know, this is a good thing that, you know, these people, it means nothing. I don't quite understand it either. I mean, well, the caucus is a different system for picking represent, you know, the way the system works. We pick a bunch of representatives, they go to the convention and they pick the guy who's going to run for the office. And the way they do in Iowa is they use this caucusing system, which is a little different than voting because you keep, you can keep changing your vote.

50:12 if you don't get if the guy doesn't get a majority then you can and you voted for a guy only got fifteen percent you can change your vote to somebody else in the next round and they finally decide on who they're gonna pick right as a complicated process is you know that's the way it used to be in this with the smoke-filled rooms and i'm of the opinion i say this often is that why do we have better politicians running the country when we were doing it through via the smoke-filled rooms And people knew what they were doing, rather than the public who were suckered by idiots. By Huckabee playing bass on Leno. Right, and things like that. And Britney Spears would be the president if given a shot.

50:55 And the olden days with the smoke-filled rooms, cigar smoke-filled by the way, I thought gave us some better people. Although, you know, there's a bunch of boneheads all throughout history. So how many states have a caucus then? Four? I think there's only a couple. Four or five? Four, I don't know. Maybe. Is that just some really old school thing that just kind of stuck? Right, right. And Iowa is the only one I know of that I can say. But did all the original uh... the original states today all caucus back in the day it was you know i i i do you know i should know i don't know but i'm guessing they probably did uh... smoke-filled rooms mostly urn caught they may have called a caucus into the way of a caucus back in the day was that storm again is going to blow the screen earlier uh... back in the day there is a uh... the caucuses were closed these are open

51:50 Well, Ron Paul certainly sucked. I don't understand how that happens. Well, if it was truly rigged, then according to your theory, McCain would have... Oh, I talked to Patricia about McCain. No, McCain has to stay in third because he's the horse running back in the pack so they don't... the negative media attention is not going to be focused on him and by the time all these other guys are beaten to death by the system... Ah, but that's when Ron Paul is going to sneak ahead. You watch. That's when it's going to happen. He's already beaten to death. I don't know. I mean, I have to remain positive first of all. You say it's rigged, but you know, how so rigged?

52:41 It's rigged. There's these guys that have already chosen who's going to be running and they just make it happen. I don't know how they do it. If I was part of that system, I wouldn't be talking to you. Gee, thanks, fucker. You'd be out there rigging more systems, exactly. Yeah, making your life miserable. I'd be saying, who's this Curry guy? Let's put him on a watch list. Yeah, let's fuck with him for a while. Yeah. All right, but then it's got to be rigged on the Democratic side as well. Oh, absolutely. Okay, so interesting. And here's the way, I'm going to tell you again how I think that's going to play out. It's going to be Hillary, but she's going to have to concede to Obama so he becomes the vice presidential candidate.

53:22 and so it's going to be those in the two i can see going the other way around she's not going to be vice president you will put up with that but i think it's got to be her as president and he was vice president which they can argue you can rationalize that as an unbeatable ticket to get all the women and all the blacks to vote for this party you know for these two people and you'll win you know statistically except for the fact you're not going to get all the blacks to vote for this guy you're not gonna get all the women of all for her by any means and uh... so the fact is is going to be actually a an unelectable ticket because is going to be so much negative energy that that is focused on that thing that whoever the republican is a win easily

53:58 It's almost like a Hollywood script, what you just said. By the way, that description of what's going to happen, you should save a copy in one of those folders of yours, and so after the election we can play this old no agenda and you can hear this again a year later about how unbelievably accurate I am about this stuff. Right, but of course, so the Democrats won't win, it'll be McCain Who will- who's going to win because he will win the Republican ticket. And who's his VP gonna be? Well, I was initially thinking Giuliani, and I'm going to kind of stick with that for a while, but whoever the Republican that runs is is going to win. That's for sure. And I'm going to stay right now with the prediction it's going to be McCain at the top of the ticket. And he'll win against no matter who the Democrats run. They got nobody. I mean, who are they going to run? John Edwards? That guy? I was listening to him after the thing. The guy sounds coked up.

54:55 You know how some people kind of talk like this, well he's talking like this now, like he can't breathe through his nose. Well maybe he has the norovirus, come on man, give the guy a break. I don't think so, that means he'd be the projectile vomiting. Very interesting, well I shall certainly save this in one of my folders, one of my shared folders. And we'll see. Okay, well I still have hope. Yeah. I guess that's all I can have. Yeah, that's all you can have. And I can continue to support Ron Paul. I think as long as people are getting the message, that'll work because, God forbid, if that scenario really does play out, it's going to be a very confused country. Well, it doesn't make any difference. There's more to the story that I'll discuss in future episodes of this fine show. Oh boy. Well, I can't wait. And on that note, Mr. Dworak, thank you very much for joining me.

55:51 It's a pleasure. Coming to you from the Curry Manor in the United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. DeVorek in stormy, indeed, Northern California. Have a great weekend everybody. We'll talk to you next week. The best and the brightest served up daily by the sharpest minds in content delivery, Podshow and Limelight.