Episode 105 · Thursday, 18 June 2009

The French Fry Connection

A startling theory links the global swine flu outbreak to fast-food french fries while media narratives around the Iranian election face intense scrutiny.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 105

About this episode

Russian scientists have identified a potential link between the H1N1 influenza virus and genetically modified amylose pectin potatoes used in fast-food french fries. Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak examine claims that enzymes in GMO potatoes create acidic conditions in the human body, facilitating the explosive replication of the virus. The theory gains traction as data from Chile reveals that young people, the primary consumers of fast food, represent the highest percentage of infected individuals.

In the Middle East, skepticism surrounds the 2009 Iranian election protests as mainstream media outlets like CNN and the Wall Street Journal rely on unverified amateur footage. Adam Curry suggests the CIA is manipulating the narrative to justify political actions against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad while influencing global oil prices. Domestically, the hosts critique the PBS Frontline documentary Breaking the Bank, which exposes the forced merger of Merrill Lynch and Bank of America orchestrated by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. Additional reports cover nanotechnology safety concerns in HEMA brand underwear and the ongoing investigation into the Air France Flight 447 crash involving Airbus rudder failures.

John C. Dvorak recounts a head injury sustained in a hotel room that led to a lethargic encounter with a massive San Francisco Mission Burrito. Technical difficulties plague the recording, prompting a brief Kid Rock interlude while the hosts debate the merits of the US Mint's Presidential dollar coins. The episode concludes with a dispute over a six-month bet regarding the general happiness of the American public under the Obama administration.


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CHAPTER 01 / 20 Discussion

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, No Agenda 105 Introduction

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open No Agenda episode 105, noting the poor internet connection at their current locations. Dvorak mentions he just returned from New York and discusses the cancellation of a scheduled board meeting because earlier sessions were highly productive. The hosts exchange banter regarding their technical difficulties and the timing of the recording.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· gitmo nation· silicon valley· board meeting· podcast introduction

00:00 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Yes, time for number 105. It is your Gitmo Nation audio publication. On once again, this is no agenda. Well, you never guess that the location is still the same because, oh, the connection kind of blows. But we've got the paper towel microphone holder. My name is Adam Curry. And from a northern Silicon Valley once again, even though I'm sure I'm gonna sound like crap on this particular show, I'm John C. DuBois. It's crackpot and buzzkill! It's morning in Gitmo Nation East, I guess, in Europe. That's where it truly is morning. So let's give a shout out to Copper Can, Jim Shaggy, Kenise, the...

00:52 Dave T., Patrick McMurphy, and Brandon Menk. Why do they all need a shout out? Schumann says we're sounding great, which doesn't make any sense. No, because I'm still in the... We're not. No, no. I'm still in the undisclosed hotel location and somewhere, once again, someone is downloading porn. And I have to say, I'm angry about this connection. This is the hour to do it. But if I was actually wanting to download porn, I'd really be angry with this connection You know, it's one thing that the show kind of sounds horrible, but nerdy dudes us on the list. But anyway, so Yeah, I just got back from New York, which is why I'm doing that. That's why we're doing in my arms are tired Can I just say something that actually is kind of weird now that I think about it? The reason why we're doing the show right now this evening is because I have a board meeting tomorrow and

01:51 Actually things went so well early in the week that we don't even have a board meeting tomorrow. I don't know why we're doing this show It's our anymore. I forgot to tell you sorry what? You tell me the board meetings been canceled. Well, no we did that We had such a great meetings earlier in the week There was no need for a board meeting. So but I just realized it now and like oh boy, that was kind of dumb. Oh After you were chewing me out for my lousy connection for the last half hour, you now just realized it was? If that wasn't streaming, did it really happen? Did I really say it? It was streaming because nerdy dude said Twitter whore. Oh, that's right. Well, I guess I did say it then.

CHAPTER 02 / 20 Discussion

Hotel Room Injuries and Mexican Food Cravings

One of the hosts describes a minor head injury sustained after walking into the side of an open door at a hotel. Following the incident, he visited a local Mexican restaurant on a driver's recommendation and consumed a large burrito. The heavy meal resulted in significant lethargy and an early onset of sleep.

hotel· injury· burrito· mexican food· palo alto

02:36 Anyway, it's no agenda number 105 and thank you John for for doing the show after flying back from New York because I know that you know I of course I'm the one that sacrifices usually and in this case it's you and I know what it takes it's very very difficult but boohoo But I'm I can stop it now. I'm doing tomorrow Tomorrow I'm moving. I'm moving tomorrow. I'll be happy not to have to deal with you unless you want to come over and help me with the u-haul Disconnection is really bad. We had a great day at the office and I came back and I was like, you know, I'm just gonna... because I didn't sleep a lot last night. First of all, because I walked into a door in this crappy place. I have a bump on my head that is actually blue.

03:23 And so not into a closed door, but you know when it was open and I walked right into this into the side of the door Wow, oh I saw actual stars. It was like it, you know midnight is like oh my god But then I had it I walked across the street to this Mexican place which one of the I had a driver who was I'm Mexican Mexican and I said, oh look at this because I'm in a very interesting neighborhood here and I said Oh, wow. Look at this wonderful place across the street. He said no actually I've eaten there It's not bad and I had a whole huge burrito and oh my god, and then I fell asleep after the burrito This is not good

CHAPTER 03 / 20 Discussion

San Francisco Mission Burrito History and Characteristics

The discussion shifts to the specific history of the Mission Burrito, an culinary invention originating in San Francisco. Reference is made to Wikipedia's documentation of the style, which is characterized by its large size and heavy ingredients. The hosts comment on the addictive nature of these burritos and the physical "loggy" feeling that follows consumption.

mission burrito· san francisco· wikipedia· corona beer· mexican cuisine

04:12 You know, the problem with Mexican food, especially burritos, which by the way for people out there, if you look it up on Wikipedia, they have a good discussion of what's called a mission burrito. Oh man, our connection sucks John. Hold on John, let the connection catch up. I mean your laugh came like only six seconds after my burrito story. So people should go to Wikipedia and look up burrito and Mission Burrito in particular which is an invention in San Francisco of this style of burrito which is it's become a it's actually a fantastic product.

04:52 But they're very heavy and the problem is they're so tasty, especially if you can find a good provider of a Mission Burrito. You load it up, especially at the super burrito. They're so tasty that you can't stop eating them. You get really loggy after you do it and you regret it. Yes. They didn't advertise it as a mission burrito, but it surely... and I had it with a Corona. It's the only burrito we have. The only burritos we eat. And I drank a Corona with it, and I'm not a drinker. I was like, I'm gonna start speaking Mexican and walking backwards in a minute. Watch out. I'm not getting the backwards joke, but okay. So let me say that we are, John, in the middle, right smack in the middle of the largest mainstream media hoax in history. Alright, go. And let me just ask you, who owns the Wall Street Journal these days? Is that Rupert Murdoch?

CHAPTER 04 / 20 Discussion

Iran Election Protests and Mainstream Media Skepticism

Adam Curry argues that the 2009 Iranian election protests are being exaggerated or staged by mainstream media outlets like the Wall Street Journal and CNN. He questions the authenticity of amateur video footage and suggests the CIA is manipulating the narrative to justify future political actions against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The hosts note the lack of professional journalists on the ground and speculate on the motives behind the coverage, including potential impacts on oil prices.

iran· mahmoud ahmadinejad· wall street journal· cia· anderson cooper· youtube

05:51 As far as I know well that makes sense then this Iran story that oh, there's all these protests and we have amateur video and Anderson Cooper is telling me that the Iran is slowing down the net we can barely get any video out and if you're on YouTube wear green Bullshit I'm calling it bullshit People have no idea what Iran even looks like this could be downtown Egypt And this, oh, oh, there's a guy who, a protester, and look, he has a welt on his shoulder because he was struck. Yeah. I mean, have you ever seen a protest? The G20 protests in London were 50 times more violent than this. What is going on other than to set us all up for some action that is going to be taken because, oh, this horrible guy, Ahmadinejad, and it's, it's, they didn't count it properly. And ooh, this is, I,

06:52 I can't believe it. Up to the Wall Street Journal, the front page. Recount set as Iran seethes. The only thing I can see that this may have been done for, that it is paying off, is to get the oil price up to the whisper number of $75. This is bull. This is bull. Iran is a modern country. They have iPods and they speak Farsi, but you know, it's a huge country and you're seeing like a couple guys on motorcycles Like oh my gosh, and they're killing they're not even killing protesters. They're like driving around on mopeds Let's both be 20 dead at least. Oh You must have read the Wall Street Journal No, no, I didn't get it from the journal. I got it from one of the other sources. I

07:37 I, I, I, this is just... Okay, so you think the whole thing is a bogus protest even though I think there might be some concern because you know this... Well no, the protest... The protest... I'm not saying that the protest may not be real or that there's a real protest but the way this is being brought is like this horrible scary country is, you know, it's, it's, it's in complete disarray because there was a complete banana republic election. Bull! I hope you're still there. Yeah, I know, although somebody lost the stream out there. Okay, I mean let's let it ride out and see where he heads. I think you could be right. There's no question about it. How come we don't have any journalists there? Now there's no journalists. I know they kicked them off.

08:24 all out. and the Iranians slowing down the net. My goodness, it's just it's so painfully obvious and we don't actually have a journalist there yet every single mainstream outlet is propagating this BS based upon some amateur video footage. Okay, I've seen protests all over the world that look like that, you know, and by the way, is police in Iranian or Farsi, is that police?

09:16 Do you spell it the same way? Because I see guys with police on the back of their jacket. Is that how it's spelled in Farsi? Well, they have to put that that would be good for American TV. Okay, so it's part of the set decoration. Exactly. Spelling Entertainment issued them their uniforms. You know, even the, you know, there's no polite sigh or anything. It's got to be, you know, so this is going to the USA. Okay, put on your American police costumes. Exactly. This is so a setup. It's just so painfully obvious to me and it's so obvious that the CIA controls all of the mainstream media, every single guy and gal who's on television. It's blowing me away. It really, really is. And the fact that

10:02 People are buying this and people are like, oh my gosh, it's really bad. Have you been watching the news about Iran? Yeah, it's a YouTube video of a guy on a moped driving through a crowd of people. You know, at least show me, put a cat on his head that's peeing and then you know, there'll be some humor to it. The other thing, if we're going to take this tact, and by the way we will be talking about flying saucers shortly. Yes, of course. If we're going to take this tact, then we have the first dead guy, the one guy that was found dead, I mean, you know, early on, I think there's a bunch of other dead people, although we don't really have any clue. In other news, 1,000 people died in traffic in the United States.

CHAPTER 05 / 20 Discussion

Caltrain Commute and US Dollar Coin Discovery

After a board meeting in Palo Alto, a host opted to take the Caltrain "Baby Bullet" back to San Francisco to save on travel expenses. Upon using a ticket machine, he received change in the form of gold-colored one-dollar coins featuring George Washington. He expresses surprise at the existence of these coins, having never encountered them in daily transactions despite their long-standing circulation.

caltrain· palo alto· dollar coin· george washington· public transport

10:42 Yeah, so that they haven't been gunning them down. That's no they haven't I haven't I haven't seen I've seen more violence in Oakland Hey, by the way, you see that any day by the way, you know There's at least one dead a day speaking of which John I had quite an experience I'd like to share this with you and I have a question at the same time Hold on. I have to get my prop for this. Hold on. Don't move you move. I'm not moving In fact, let me let me read from the Bible Alright, here we go. I have my props. So we were in Palo Alto. We were visiting with a couple of our board of directors and for a number of reasons there was no one... Oh God, I need an antacid. Hold on, the burrito is acting up. Alright. For a number of reasons... I might just throw up, I'm telling you. That would probably be better. You want them beans refried again?

11:41 For a number of reasons, no one was going back, so I had a choice. Either call a car service, which by the way, we just had this whole meeting about how great our burn rate is. And burn rate, for those of you who don't know, is basically the money that you're burning in the air. Kind of like flying. So it's the difference between what profit you're not making And money you're spending and money that you're receiving and it's actually quite low because we're Doing very well as a company certainly in this economy and we're on the path of profitability. So Our fine friend Lawrence Marx of the Marx Brothers Decides that I will take Caltrain back to the city

12:33 And I'm like, oh that's interesting, I'll do that, you know, that's kind of cool. Six bucks, you can't... It's good for... the price is right and it's a nice bumpy ride, it takes forever. Oh you... no it doesn't. It took 35 minutes from Palo Alto. It was the baby bullet by the way. Oh the baby bullet. Yeah and it takes... that takes 35 minutes and you meet lots of interesting friends. But here's what here's what really killed me. So I go up to the machine to buy my ticket. I've never been on the Caltrain I typically don't do public transport and You know, so first of my my card, you know, the machine is like not reading any of my cards Okay so I stick a 10 bucks in and six bucks for the ticket and then I hit you know your change and ticket will come below and I hear this I'm like I got chipped I got like four quarters and

13:22 You got four quarters. No what I got that's what I thought what I got I have all you got those dollars. Yes You're sounding like George Walker Bush when he went to the grocery store was stunned by the scanners Well, I was done cuz I've never held in my hand a $1 coin which by the way, it feels like guilt you know that that chocolate money that Yeah. That Jewish kids get in the holidays? Piece of crap. What is this? Can you spend this anywhere? Can I walk into any store and buy like smokes with it? And they'll accept this? Oh yeah. But how come I've never held it? Did you get the gold ones or did you get the silver ones? Gold ones. Gold ones. Yeah, I got gold ones. The ones with the Indian on them, okay. No, George Washington is on them.

CHAPTER 06 / 20 Discussion

Technical Difficulties and US Mint Coin Varieties

The podcast experiences a technical failure as the Skype connection drops, leading to a brief period of troubleshooting. Once reconnected, the hosts continue discussing the various designs of US dollar coins, including the Susan B. Anthony, Sacagawea, and Presidential series. They compare the coins to British pound coins and discuss where they are commonly distributed, such as post offices and transit kiosks.

skype· dollar coins· susan b. anthony· sacagawea· james monroe

14:06 I got George Washington. I got a... hold on. Let me see. I didn't know there were differences. I got a George Washington. I got... No, this is a... who's this dude? They've been trying to foist this on the United States for years. By the way, I got a story from a guy in London once. When they... London... when in Britain, they dropped a one pound note and they went to coin. Yeah, which weighs a ton. Dude, listen, I've got like... Hold on, check this out. Are you still there? Oh man. Maybe... Oh, I actually lost them. Hold on. Let me see if I call them back. Hello? Oh boy. This is not good. Oh boy. Yep. Okay. So this is always what happens with my wonderful setup and then Skype actually crashes. Okay. Let's see if we can reconnect here. Those of you on the stream, enjoy. In fact, I may actually just leave this

15:22 Leave this in the show, it's kind of authentic, don't you think? Excuse me, I'm very quite nauseous now. Oh, this is painful. So, I do this entire show in this awesome routing manner on my Mac, so it actually like is pretty professional setup. But if the audio connection crashes, well then you're pretty screwed. Witness what's happening. Okay, let's see if we can get Johnny Boy back on. Hold on.

16:04 Yeah, hold on, I gotta reconnect. I gotta read Jackie in. Hold on, don't move. This'll be interesting. Don't jinx it. Be quiet. Okay, you there? Yeah. Okay. Nice. Sweet. Don't say that. Don't say those things. You're judging my mom. You invite the boogeyman in and if we're flying in my plane, don't ever say, wow, engines running great. Don't say these things. Dick. So just what a superstitious nerd. Okay. So listen, before you get into your, I don't want to talk about the pound. So I've got these dollar coins on one of them. I've got George Washington.

16:44 It even sounds fake. I've one of them got James Monroe. Then on the other one I have, it's like a chick. Like, uh, it's like, uh, what's her name? Uh, Pocahontas. She looks like Pocahontas. It doesn't even have a name. Liberty. Oh, that's her name. Is that a silver coin or a gold coin? They're all gold? No, one is, I have a silver Liberty. Yeah, those are the old Susan B. Anthony coins. But I also have a gold Liberty. Well, how come it doesn't say Susan B. Anthony? She looks like Pocahontas. I don't know, with the Pocahontas? I thought it was on the gold one. Anyway, so what?

17:20 Well, I had never seen one and you don't typically get these I guess unless you take Caltrain. If you go to the post office and buy stamps in a machine, you get them. If you go to the parking lot over in Mission Street and you give them, well actually no, you won't, you get dollars there now. Well here it is, John. There's a bunch of places where you get these. Well there you go. I live the champagne life. That's why I never do these things. You live the life of a hermit. You don't drink champagne. Yes I do and it makes me violent. So anyway, I wanted to also call out to Natalie Brown who sent us a whole bunch of notes we missed. But meanwhile, Anime Bites says, Adam is great, your sound John is bad. Yeah, exactly. It's your connection as always. Oh yeah, right. So we got a lot of email with great stories.

CHAPTER 07 / 20 Discussion

HEMA Underwear and Nanotechnology Safety Concerns

A listener report from the Netherlands highlights a segment on the Dutch consumer show "Radar" regarding nanotechnology in HEMA brand underwear. The report suggests that silver nanoparticles are being used in fabric without sufficient regulation or testing for long-term health effects. The hosts express skepticism and concern over the necessity of having nanoparticles in clothing.

hema· nanotechnology· netherlands· radar· nanoparticles

18:14 This week and of course, you know, I can't actually bring up Links, etc. The irony don't you have a little printer and you should print them out in advance? Yeah, but you know, I was too busy like sleeping passed out trying to digest a burrito But the most exciting one and I have just not been able to do the homework because there is some Dutch video that I have to watch came from Excuse me. I need a cough button Chris Madden Hey guys, as an American married to a Dutch girl living in Holland, the HEMA underwear, and bear with me, okay, because it's not going to be a whole other underwear story, the HEMA underwear is quite familiar to me. Tonight I was watching Radar, which I'm familiar with, it's a great show, it's a journalistically fantastic show in Holland.

19:00 this Dutch language consumer report show they had a segment about nanotechnology and how it has not been tested or regulated yet and the opportunities and potential threats that we might learn about it in the future. Anyway, they're running through a few products, you feel it coming, wait for it, a few products that have nanotechnology and lo and behold they say, ook in deze onderbroek van de hema bevat nanodeeltjes, or in English, also in these underwear from the hema you will find nanoparticles. I'm like, wow! We've got nanotechnology in the HEMA underwear that you and I wear, John? And, you know, this could be detrimental to our health! What is this nanoparticle supposed to do? It's hanging between your legs for 47 years, for Christ's sakes.

19:50 I'm saying what is the nanoparticle? What is the point of it? Well nanotechnology is like, you know nanotechnology. I'm so scared Well, you don't know me that this is what the whole broadcast was about it You know, it could like give you it could be the equivalent of this is Asbestos, you know, yeah that nano thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh Sounds like a like either a hoax or what's the point of it? Where is that? Where is it exists? Is it in the label? Is it stitched into the fabric? I have been able to watch the show then we would know wouldn't we? So basically is just a teaser for the next show. We do exactly now you're on to me, baby great show on the PBS That I did see last night live a lot of people have sent me the link on the PBS org website frontline

CHAPTER 08 / 20 Discussion

Frontline Breaking the Bank and Financial Regulation

The hosts discuss the PBS Frontline documentary "Breaking the Bank," which details the forced merger of Merrill Lynch and Bank of America involving Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. They criticize the corruption within the financial system and react to President Obama's announcement of new sweeping regulations. The discussion focuses on the consolidation of regulatory power into a single agency.

pbs frontline· merrill lynch· bank of america· barack obama· henry paulson

20:40 I had a special on called Breaking the Bank. I actually wanted to call you and tell you to watch it and of course I realized you were in New York. I didn't want to disturb you with your hookers. But they... Wise decision. Yes. Great show and they really, you know, I like what Frontline does. They really showed all the inside bits of the Merrill Lynch Bank of America transaction and how Paulson was a part of that. You don't need a burrito to throw up in your mouth after that show.

21:17 This whole thing is the whole system is so corrupt. It's so buddy-buddy, you know And of course today President Obama announces this new sweeping changes and regulations for the financial industry to protect the little guy Nice timing president and now we're gonna get one agency now we get one agency that will be the regulator for everything gee That's gonna rock. Well, you know, the thing is I'll get to see that frontline. Maybe I should watch it and we can talk about it. But that frontline is a great show. Yeah, I don't understand why though. Do you think it's the same producer that does all these shows? Because someone's gonna get shot over there. I mean, I'm sorry. Someone's gonna commit suicide. They'll lose you again. This is not good. Yep. Crap almighty. John, your connection sucks. I'm gonna cry.

CHAPTER 09 / 20 Discussion

Technical Outage and Kid Rock Interlude

A second major connection failure occurs, prompting Adam Curry to play Kid Rock's "Devil Without a Cause" to fill the airtime for stream listeners. Curry blames the outage on Dvorak's Comcast connection and technical setup. Upon Dvorak's return, they argue briefly about whose internet service is responsible for the repeated drops.

kid rock· comcast· skype· technical difficulties· dead air

22:30 I'm telling you it's his connection. It is not mine. I'm receiving skypes from all over the world. Everything works fine, but he's blaming it on my stuff. Let's try it again. Okay, you see he's not even online. Did he just go off? See, this is what I mean, and I get blamed for it. Maybe I should play a little bit of music for y'all while we're getting that set up. He is actually offline.

23:25 Devil without a cause, and I'm back with the beaver hats and Ben Davis slacks It's like waiting for Godot, we're waiting for the real D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D I went platinum selling rhymes I went platinum seven times And still they ill and wanna see us rise I guess because the only God knows why Why, why, why, why Boy, I'm the singer in black So don't let me see where you're at Say, hey, let me hear where you're at So say, hey, hey Show me some metal and say Hey, hey, hey, hey

24:25 DC and CZ Tops. Well see this beast, he's in the Kings of Rock. Skinner, Seeger, Limp, Corn, The Stones. David Allen Cole with no show Jones. Pass that bottle around, got the rock from Detroit. Sold from Motown, the underground stone. Named a Pimp with tracks that Mack can slap back the wack. Never get away, I don't play with, but watch me rock with Liberace Flash. Oh, hold on man. You were offline dude. Yeah, exactly. Hold on a second. Let me jack you in. Let me jack you in. I told you it's your connection. It's not my connection. This is my whole point the entire show and you're blaming me and my crappy asshole. All right. That was pretty funny. What was I talking about?

25:25 Nothing important. Well besides that I don't know we had fun the audience and I Yeah, we had it. Yeah, we had a good time because it is clearly your connection. That is the problem this evening I'm telling you this you don't want to believe me, but it is your problem. Yeah, well, it's not my problem is Comcast They know what they care. Are you still there? I am still here. Good. Can you hear me now? Yes. Yes. I You keep telling me not to be yacking at you and you know, now you're doing it. I'm good now. Hey, a lot of different theories coming through the pipeline about the Airbus crash, Air France 4447. Yeah, what now?

CHAPTER 10 / 20 Discussion

Air France Flight 447 Crash Theories

The hosts evaluate various theories regarding the crash of Air France Flight 447, including mid-air breakup and frozen pitot tubes. They focus on a theory involving the Airbus rudder, noting a historical precedent of rudder failure in high-stress wind conditions. Curry suggests that if the plane broke up at high altitude, debris would be more widely scattered than what has been recovered.

air france 447· airbus· boeing· pitot tubes· aviation safety

26:10 Well, the one I saw just before the burrito made me comatose, now they're saying, oh well there's clear evidence there was a mid-air breakup. Yeah, well let me tell you something. If there was a mid-air breakup at 40,000 feet, you're not going to be finding everything and everybody in nice, you know, oh he had a broken leg. Oh yeah, no, there'd be all, and it'd be scattered to tarnation. 100,000 miles, of course. The one that I like the best, and I hate it all of course because it's horrible what's happened is well there's two actually and a lot of aviators are sending me email and I'm collecting them and we are going to do like eventually a full-blown overview of all these different theories from people who actually fly these aircraft to maintenance here's one an Airbus engineer

27:02 I'm not going to read the whole thing, but there are, you know, the initial theory was the pitot tubes froze up and the pitot tubes are those tubes that stick out that indicate airspeed. And, you know, it's like, no. Okay, this stuff is it's it's just not it just doesn't make sense all these dumb theories But the one I do like was written by a fellow aviator and let me see if I can find it because it was a great article and of course I will put that in the show notes at Noah gem that out me vo comm Of course I can't find it right off the bat, but you know the rudder was found relatively intact. Now the rudder is in flight, the rudder is actually not used that much, but of course it's a very important piece of the aircraft. You'll recall over New York City an Airbus crashed and it was because the rudder broke, it broke off. This was, I'm gonna say,

28:00 I don't know. Yeah, no, a rudder, the plane is notorious for the rudder. Yeah, maybe it was 2002, it was about 10 years ago and it was because the The pilots or one of the pilots or the crew had used so much excessive force during takeoff because you basically use this during crosswind situations or if there's a lot of so typically when landing so you you know, you can do a couple things you can land completely sideways and then correct just before you land or If there's not too much crosswind component you can correct that by stepping on these pedals and then the plane will correct and one low one wheel will be low but you put one wheel down and then you put the other one down and you're good to go. If the crosswind component is too much you know then you either have to go around and find another place to land or in the Airbus's case apparently this thing snaps off and then it's not good. It's a plastic airplane what can I tell you?

28:59 So, the thinking, and I kind of like this theory, is that they may have been in a very, very windy situation during this storm, which for some reason they flew into. Not the kind of thing airmen do typically. and that they may have applied such excessive force or the forces of the wind may have been so excessive that the thing snapped off and then it would make sense that this plane could have gone into a just spiral down, gone to a spin, a number of things can happen and it just went straight down to the bottom. Another thing by the way, if it breaks up in flight, the bodies and debris would be at the surface. You wouldn't be five miles down.

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Airbus vs Boeing Corporate Sabotage Claims

A theory is proposed that the recent Airbus incidents are part of an escalating corporate war between European-based Airbus and American-based Boeing. The hosts speculate on industrial sabotage and suggest that Boeing may face a similar "retaliatory" incident in the near future. They link the high-stakes aviation industry to broader geopolitical and financial tensions.

airbus· boeing· aviation industry· corporate warfare· sabotage

29:41 You know, there'd be all kinds of bits and pieces floating all over the place and they haven't found all that much yet. So... Right. So what are you thinking? I'm thinking that this is still the ongoing war between Airbus and Boeing and that they're sabotaging each other and they're just blowing each other to bits. You know, and this all kind of came to a head, which by the way, Frontline did not mention any of the bankers on board the Airbus that ditched in the Hudson, which of course was en route to Bank of America's headquarters. On the same day that they had one of these huge meetings with Paulson where you know the government was basically controlling the entire banking system and threatening these guys how to run their business and what they had to do to save the financial system.

30:27 and uh... i think it's not i think it's a huge war is big business is one of the last huge industries that's left and it's between europe in the united states and uh... and this is an ongoing war it's actual out-and-out war and it's unfortunate if you have to fly on a uh... on a boeing aircraft in the next uh... couple months because boeing is next mark my words and john's comcast connection once again is down there you go the war is ongoing these guys are so Now this is Skype's gonna crash again Show is actually quite entertaining for me. I don't know what the audience thinks but this is totally John's connection so each time that I have to redial I have to set the output back to And he's yeah, he's completely offline Well, I don't I don't want to play kid rock again. That would be kind of lame, or you know, so Let's see. What can I play for y'all?

31:40 Here we go. We'll just grab a song here and play something nice while we're waiting for John to come back online. Could someone please Twitter Comcast cares and tell him that we care? That their shit doesn't work? I'm gonna pack my bag and take that to the mountain. I see the bright sunshine and I want to live.

32:40 Alright, looks like he's back.

33:38 Don't say it dadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadad Okay, the only thing I want to hear you say right now is I'm sorry Adam. It is my connection not yours No, it's it's Comcast fault to my router. Yeah, you know it's reset twice now Yeah, but so the whole problem with the entire show has been your connection your connection sucks at that place, and you know it yeah, but It's your connection All right, so it's my connection. Thank you get used to it. You're gonna have to edit the show a little bit I'm not gonna edit a single thing out of this show. I

34:26 I refuse. Yeah, okay, well it just bore people stiff with the dead air. No, it's not. Are you kidding? Dead air? I've had a lot of fun while you were... In fact, the best part of the show was when you're not on it. Okay, well, you know... So anyway, the thing that I said is that when you dropped off is that it's unfortunate if you have to take a Boeing flight in the next two months because Boeing is next. This is all-out war between Airbus and Boeing. It's sheet metal and rivets versus plastic airplanes. The, what do they call it? The scare bus. There you go. Are you still there? Yeah. Okay. Hey, what you got Johnny? I mean, I got plenty of good stories. No, keep going because you like you said, you know, it's more interesting with you just yabbering by yourself. Okay. Well, I know I've got a way out there story if you want one. Okay, here we go. Scientists in Russia, you know, when it starts off like that, it's gonna be a zinger. Alright, saying they've discovered a critical link

CHAPTER 13 / 20 Discussion

Chile Swine Flu Statistics and Fast Food Habits

The discussion continues regarding the correlation between H1N1 cases and countries that allow GMO potato cultivation, specifically highlighting Chile. Data is cited showing that a high percentage of infected individuals are young people, who are also the primary consumers of fast-food french fries. The hosts jokingly suggest a "French Fry Connection" study to test the theory.

chile· h1n1· gmo potatoes· fast food· mcdonalds

38:38 You know, these ideas of having these two elements at one, if you're doing one thing and then you match up with something else, in other words, you can literally kill off a huge percentage of the population if you can find like an ethnic group you want to get rid of. Yeah, like the ethnic group Americans who eat french fries, which is pretty much the entire population. Yeah, well it's those french fries. If you go buy your own Russets near, you know, at the store, you're not going to have this problem. Or you use some other potato. Maybe that's the reason by the way. that there's been for the foodies and the people who are more higher up in the who can afford these things they they either are now using a Yukon gold or fins. Well let me give you some more data points before you go into the foodie vibe. What other country outside of

39:34 The United States, Canada, United Kingdom and Australia has had a high level of swine flu cases. Do you know the country? Mexico. No, Chile. And Chile. Yes, so important. Turn down your speakers, you dork. You know, you're just surly today. It's getting a little annoying. It's the burrito. The South American nation of Chile is the only country in the world outside of the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and Australia to allow the planting of genetically modified potatoes. That's weird. And they are reporting 1,694 cases of H1N1. This is not a bad little report here, John. Here's what's weird about it.

40:24 I mean about the chili thing. Why? What do you mean why? Potatoes came from this area in Peru. You can go to Peruvian mountains and they grow like over a thousand varieties of really interesting potatoes. So why would they want to genetically modify anything? I don't know. I'm just saying. So you have that, you have show notes and documents that Chile uses genetically modified potatoes? Yeah, I have a link to the, it's because of the free trade pact. Hold on, I can, oh, this is not very smart probably of me to go to a, well actually it's not my connection that's breaking up.

41:04 Yeah, I think we can bring up that webpage a little while earlier. This shows that they are allowed to grow these genetically or create these genetically modified potatoes. So there's some data. This is a pretty good little report that has some good links in it. Alright, well you know it's a possibility. Well there's more. Of the 5,000 confirmed and more than 100,000 probable cases of swine flu, the average age of infected people is 15. Two-thirds are younger than 18. Makes total sense. Young people... Potatoes, potatoes, potatoes, right? Yeah, young people eating lots of french fries. So hey!

41:57 You know, if ever there was a reason not to eat french fries besides the fact that the french fries will just kill you by themselves without the swine flu, you know, lay off. Listen to no agenda, eat less fries. Live longer. I wonder if it's maybe, maybe the whole thing was dreamed up by a competitor in the fast food business that doesn't sell french fries. There was a whole documentary on CNBC about McDonald's the other night. You know, coincidence, maybe, maybe. McDonald's makes a lot of money from those french fries. Oh, yeah, so Now it's your turn. That was my home. What turn you're like kicking butt according to yourself Okay, then South Park had a great Tourette episode which I hadn't seen that was kind of cool. I've seen that one No, I don't watch South Park unless somebody sends me a video where Eric Eric decides that it's cool to have Tourette because then you can say all these horrible things to the teacher and

CHAPTER 14 / 20 Discussion

David Letterman, Sarah Palin, and CNBC Personalities

The hosts briefly touch on the controversy surrounding David Letterman's jokes about Sarah Palin's daughter and the subsequent protests. They transition into a critique of cable news personalities, including Bill O'Reilly and CNBC's Aaron Burnett. Dvorak shares a critical observation regarding Burnett's appearance during her remote broadcasts.

david letterman· sarah palin· bill o'reilly· aaron burnett· cnbc

42:57 Yeah, I know someone who suffers mildly from Tourette's syndrome. You didn't find this offensive? No, I thought it was hilarious. I loved it. I loved it. It was great. So I guess they were protesting out in front of David Letterman's late show with these dorks. Are they still going on about the Palin thing? Which I didn't ever actually saw what he said. Nor have I even seen the apology either because I guess he won't give anyone the rights to show it so they're only talking about it. It's ridiculous. I'm losing a lot of respect for the Republicans on this deal. And of course Bill O'Reilly is all over it, you know, with his... he's got a couple bimbos that come on the show occasionally and... Who are hot by the way.

43:41 They're pretty. Yeah, no, they're hot. They're info bimbos. I don't know how hot they are They don't never stand up. They could have the biggest behinds either way before you continue Aaron Burnett has been doing a lot of remote stuff Because you know, of course, I'm on the Pacific time zone. So now and now I'm seeing a whole different I'm not seeing all of the day program programming for CNBC. I'm seeing a lot of the nighttime specials and And now let me say again, besides the fact that she is a counsel of foreign relations, a total shill for the evil Uberlords who run the world, she's an extremely beautiful woman, she's talented, she's highly intelligent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get to the point. She's got saddlebags that won't quit. Oh really? Yeah. Disappointing, actually. It's from sitting down too much. Yeah, of course it is.

CHAPTER 15 / 20 Discussion

Lindsay Lohan Jewelry Theft Allegations

John Dvorak reports on allegations that Lindsay Lohan stole $400,000 worth of jewelry from an Elle magazine photo shoot. Adam Curry dismisses the story as a typical media stunt designed to generate publicity for the jewelry brands. They debate the journalistic integrity of the New York Post and Lohan's history of similar incidents.

lindsay lohan· elle magazine· jewelry theft· the news post· media hoax

44:30 So we'll play the Real News jingle. I'll give you something. Okay. Well, you kind of caught me off guard. I'm sorry. Yeah, let's hit it. Here we go. And now back to real news. So it appears if you watch, look at the front page of the post, apparently this is the thing that's really continuing is Lindsay Lohan stealing this $200,000 worth of jewels, they think, or 400,000. Have you read this story? No, John, I have not read the Lindsay Lohan story. That's your job. I'm the one that tries to save people from dying. It's a cosmopolitan town.

45:10 Here's let me just read you a the parent was a story man. Give us the background what's happening? This is real news This is important to our lives forget french fries that'll kill you what a photo shoot for Elle magazine and they Draped her in some four hundred thousand dollar jewels, and she she kept thinking it was gonna be a freebie for her You say no no no we went to Jules back. We were getting paid for this gig and And she's, you sure I can't get them? You know, it's like the, you know, give them, you know, you want to just give them to me. And she went on and on about this apparently, and she kept harping on it even though they said no, no, no. And the next thing you know, they turned up missing. And now that, you know, everyone's like worried sick about it. Now, apparently she has a history of this kind of thing. And let me just read you a section of this, of this article in The Post.

45:58 But the incident recalls another allegedly larcenous Lohan incident. Last year a Manhattan model accused the star of swiping her prized mink jacket after the two crossed paths at the Chelsea club One Oak. Maria Masha Markova said she saw Lohan sporting her $11,000 jacket around town after it was stolen. Her lawyer called Lohan's handlers and then the coat was mysteriously returned. Okay, John. I've got to give you some background because as you know I'm an expert in media. A media sexpert is what I am. So what you need to remember is that when Lindsay Lohan was completely strung out, she was drunk and she might have been on coke, before she came out as a lesbian, she was caught shoplifting.

46:52 Okay, and she was she had some kind of kleptomania issues Now you have to combine that with a very typical media story because these photo shoots these big-fashion photo shoots always occur with huge amounts of jewelry which are always supplied by you know Cartier or someone else who do this for the for the credit and the photos and for you know they appear in in L or Vogue magazine and then rich women look at it and say oh doesn't that look great I want to go buy these and 90% of these photo shoots they make up some bull about the

47:29 the star not returning the jewels just to get the attention and the focus on the jewelry. It's a lie! Now combine those two together with the journalistic integrity of the Post and then you've got a stupid story! And I can't believe you're insulting me with this shit! But when she came out that she was lesbian, that was kind of hot. Well, apparently I'm not going to get anywhere with you since you're being an asshole tonight. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm just telling you. I'm not being an asshole. Oh yeah, totally. So, uh... Could you please Twitter if you think I'm an asshole? There's our audience. Yes, you're an asshole.

CHAPTER 16 / 20 Discussion

Airline Passenger Etiquette and Carry-on Baggage

The hosts vent frustrations regarding airline passengers who struggle with oversized "rollie" bags and large backpacks in narrow aircraft aisles. They argue for stricter FAA regulations on boarding with backpacks, citing instances where passengers inadvertently hit seated travelers. Curry shares his personal experiences being singled out for bag size checks while others bypass the rules.

airline travel· carry-on bags· backpacks· faa· tumi

48:26 Alright, what else we got here? So here's my complaint for the week. Okay. Why do people go on airplanes and then drag their rollie bag down the aisle when it clearly doesn't fit? And how do they get away with it? So it bounces off the one side to the other, bang, bang, bang, they can't get it down the other, always looking back and they hit you if you happen to be, you know, your foot's in the way or something. And you see this constantly, but you have to pick the bag up and carry it down sideways so it fits. Why does this continue forever people always try to run they never get there's like one mile an hour because they keep banging into the seats with this thing now worse than that Why do people wear? Instead of carrying them on they're wearing these huge backpacks Wait, can I respond to the rolly thing first and then that that goes right along with the backpack? I

49:19 Whenever I, and you know the Tumi bag that I had which was the one that I usually slept around to the office which was reasonably large. Yeah, it's a big bag. At least four or five times at multiple airports, I'm the guy, because I'm an asshole apparently, who is pulled out and said, I'm sorry sir, that bag does not fit in our little rack, which is big enough for like a notepad. You know, the one that is in front of every single check-in counter before you get onto every single plane. Your bag must fit into this rack. How come these people get away with it? That's what I don't understand. I don't get away with it. They always, I'm sorry, you have to check that bag, sir. It's way too big. And then I see all these dorks walking on with, you're right, with these huge rolly bags and the backpack, it should be a federal aviation authority regulation. You cannot wear the backpack when boarding the plane because these people then turn around, you're sitting there, you're reading your magazine and then, you get this backpack in your face.

50:21 Why do... let's take it to another extreme if we're going to complain about this. When did we all start wearing backpacks like pack mules? Yeah, these guys are like every city's guys. They look like they're going into Yosemite to spend a month Really? What's wrong with your hands? Carry it damn it I mean, what do you need all that shit for on the plane for what do you need that for what's in there? I think we should you know, there's if they're checking for liquids. It should be like do you need this on the plane? No, I'll be right to throw it out. I'm sorry You can't have this on the plane. You don't need it? We should throw it out. You're right John. I think that you know, it's the reason why is because people want to travel lightly so they don't have to wait. Ooh horrible, wait for their luggage.

51:06 You know, if you're going to go somewhere, pack a bag, pack a nice, you know, a good looking bag and put it, you know, check the bag and put it on the aircraft where it belongs. Then we have the one other situation where you have these guys with these big dorky backpacks on and then they're too big to stuff into the overhead so everybody gets hung up as these guys are trying to force it in And there's like the stewardesses come over, they're all pushing and pushing and pushing on this thing and they're trying, you know I've seen them where they can't get it in, they have to bring the thing down, take a few things out and then shove it in there. Yeah. How does that fit into that rack since you get called? Well because, you know, I'm an asshole.

CHAPTER 17 / 20 Discussion

JetBlue Terminal 5 and Virgin America Upgrades

Dvorak praises the new JetBlue Terminal 5 at JFK Airport, comparing it to a high-end Las Vegas hotel with gourmet sushi and steakhouses. The hosts compare the amenities of JetBlue and Virgin America, discussing the quality of in-flight entertainment and the availability of cheap first-class upgrades. They express a preference for the "one-class" airline model.

jetblue· jfk airport· virgin america· terminal 5· first class

51:48 Well, that's beside the point. Which is why I love flying first class if available because when you know invariably there's always some guy who's trying to shove his his commoner steerage backpack into the first class rack and the stewardess says I'm sorry sir this is reserved for first class passengers you'll have to shove that up your ass somewhere else. I love that makes me feel very good and powerful. So anyway so I flew jet blue I like JetBlue. Have you seen the new terminal? No, I love JetBlue though, big fan. Well, they got a new terminal. They used to be in Terminal 6 which used to be the TWA terminal, then it became the United terminal, then it became the JetBlue terminal, and then they just basically, looks like they're just tearing it down or doing something else because they've created a whole new terminal, Terminal 5.

52:38 And it's like being in Las Vegas. It's like being in a Las Vegas hotel. Really cool. There's about five or six or seven gourmet restaurants in there and that you can get stuff to go. There's actually a sushi bar. Which is good, right? It's good, I bet. It's ridiculously good and the guys, these old Japanese guys, and they're obviously... by the way, if you go to the sushi bar, it's called Deep Blue or something like that. If anybody goes to the sushi bar, get the Dragon Roll. It is the most... it's like a piece of work of art. It's amazing. I'm sorry. The sushi bars are really good, but they got a steakhouse, they got a French restaurant, they got all these things and then they have a... Then on the other side there's like a food court with a whole bunch of the like, you know, like lower end places you can buy stuff to take on the plane.

53:25 And the whole thing is like jazzy and it's just like now I know where their money is going if they're losing money. Now they're flying all over the place. I think it's… Well, hold on a second. That's concessions. JetBlue is just making the terminal. They're not running the sushi joint. They're just renting out the space. I think it's brilliant. I think the concept of easyJet. is equally as good. I love JetBlue. I love the space they provide. I love the fact that you can sit there and zone out on satellite television, which is better than sleeping pills. I can't wait to try out their terminal. I really love the whole concept of these one-class airlines. The only thing they should do is they should, you know, the people who try to stuff the backpacks and the big wheelie bags, they should eliminate them. And then it would be absolutely perfect.

54:18 I like the TV on the JetBlue too. It's fabulous. It knocked me out three times on the flight over. It's better than hypnotic sleeping pills. I wake up and what the heck, I was watching Top Chef. I mean it's great you fall asleep like I'm so bored I'm going out I'm going under change the channel and by the way you notice that Virgin America who whenever I have to go to LA I fly and they have a Virgin America they have a first-class which is ridiculous to even purchase that ticket but when you chair when you Buy your ticket and it's kind of a low, you know, low cost airline. And first of all, they cast their flight attendants. They're beautiful, they're sexy, and then the girls are cute too. You can actually purchase for an additional $30 an extra leg space with complimentary food and drinks.

55:08 The only problem on Virgin America is the license for the TV channels JetBlue covered all of that so Virgin has really poor selection of in-seat live video because I guess they couldn't get the direct TV or whatever it is they wanted to get. Well you know if you check in with Virgin America, you go to the gate at the last minute or you go to the front counter and you say are there any first class seat upgrades and they're 50 bucks flat rate. Oh really? But they only have four first class seats don't they? Yeah, but often there's one open. I've hit that upgrade two or three times. Cool. Hey John, speaking of such, 50 bucks is a perfect amount of money. I think it's a great use of funds that people send to this show because we work very, very hard. We fly JetBlue, we fly Virgin America, we fly along with the backpackers. If you donate,

CHAPTER 18 / 20 Discussion

Donation Requests and Podcast Business Model

Adam Curry and John Dvorak discuss the financial support of the show, noting that some listeners are switching from small subscriptions to larger one-time donations to avoid PayPal fees. They emphasize that No Agenda is a publicly supported program and encourage listeners to contribute via the show's website. The segment concludes with a joke about using the funds for airline upgrades.

paypal· donations· no agenda library· value-for-value· podcasting

56:02 some money to the show that we can get an upgrade and and that would be highly appreciated do we have any people donated this week well I just got in a just flew in so I don't have my list so I have to go to the list on Sunday. Would you please actually do it then because this is what you said last Sunday I well yeah no I realize that I I made a mistake here and also teased a couple things we didn't never got to because I can't remember what they are I just walked in the door So, anyway, yeah, if anybody wants to... by the way, we're getting a lot of people, not a lot, but a few, that are sending a... they're canceling their $2 subscription and they're sending an apology note and sending actual more money as a one-shot donation. That's good. I guess that's good, right? It was better, yeah, because they really nick us for those $2. Yeah, PayPal, you mean. Yeah, PayPal. Right.

56:53 Okay, that's good. We have to find some alternative money collections, but anyway go to no agenda library.com or Dvorak.org slash NA and give us a hand because this is a publicly supported show and I know a lot of people listen to it and they'd like to one hour you know because there's a drive time thing they like to get more of it and we will do more if we get you know more income. Yeah, because it is time consuming and you know, I had to wake you up after a burrito. have your burrito and comatose. And the microphone stand is still the paper towel holder. What's kind of interesting to note is that I'm down to the last three or four sheets. So now it's really desperate. The microphone stand is wilting away before my very eyes. Please send us a... Are you telling me this is an active paper towel holder? Yes, it's being used. With paper towels on it? Yes, here, in fact I'll...

57:53 Now I have one sheet left and I'm using it for uh Yeah, I closed the mic while I did that. No you didn't well I faded it down so you could get a little bit of the effect Oh Because I still have swine flu. Yes, swine flu, but stop eating french fries, dude I'm buying by the way. I'm buying into the french fry theory. Yeah, I'm with you and I'm gonna stop eating french fries I think it's and I let's let's do a test and of the couple hundred thousand people listen to the show let's stop eating french fries let's see if we can do an A B comparison we should have some people yes do lots of french fries see if they get sick and see if they get sick and they should report back so we should have three groups because we need a control group we'll have to have people who eat french fries people who don't and people who ate burritos and let's see who gets sicker

58:48 We could do a day be comparison because I don't think all the potatoes like I for example I'm not sure that the In-N-Out burger uses these GMOs. Yeah, mainly because I've you know, because there's the you know, the potatoes, you know, the potatoes that you get in a real place that actually makes french fries from real potatoes. There's always the occasionally that we have there's black things and there's all kinds of eyes and things you got to be. Yeah, there's like real potatoes. Yeah. So the title of the show should be the French Fry Connection I guess? The French Fry Connection, that's a good one. It's good, isn't it? We always forget to name the title of the show and John and I talk for five or ten minutes after the show and then we hang up and then of course John immediately is offline doing something much more important. I could never find him. I go to bed. Yeah. What do we call this show? What should we call this show? And I'm waiting for hours for him to confirm. The French Fry Connection is a good title. Okay, we'll name it that. Although, I don't know if it's SEO friendly.

CHAPTER 19 / 20 Discussion

Obama Administration Happiness Bet Resolution

The hosts revisit a bet made in episode 61 regarding the state of the world six months into the Obama administration. Dvorak claims victory, arguing that people are generally happy, while Curry contends that economic instability and the war in Afghanistan prove the world is in disarray. They agree to let the listeners review the original clip and decide the winner.

barack obama· afghanistan· economics· betting· no agenda 61

59:49 Yeah, what doesn't I think if you knit tile to show Lindsay Lohan you'd get more hits Gee you think All right, we are kind of at the 60-minute mark. So if you want to we are yeah, man. Well, yeah Well, I tease something the last time what was it? I can't remember I let me see cuz I'm taking notes I haven't stuff in the not you know people get irked because I know they wait and wait and wait to tune in for the team I'm gonna write down now. First of all, we're gonna do french fry connection I do have some one last story because I have a I'm now taking notes as part of the new me and

1:00:25 French fry connection a B group and I'm gonna write down Donate a donation list because you'll forget again, and you'll tease it again. You won't do it. I will I had an email conversation And I'm gonna bring it up right now with one of our producers Martin. I'm going to presume. He's Dutch. It's a fine Dutch name and And where is it? No agenda bet reminder. Okay. What's the bet? Adam, I'm sending this email to remind you and John about a bet you guys made in a previous No Agenda show. I don't remember the episode number. He, by the way, is now looking for it. You made a bet that the world would look, how the world would look a half year after the Obama White House administration.

1:01:16 The 10th of June was the deadline of this bet. I'm pretty curious how you and John will decide who won this bet and why. So I went back and forth, I did some searching, the bet was discussed in NOAA Agenda No. 61, titled One Big Ponzi Scheme, around 59 minutes into the show. In short, John believed that the world would be pretty happy under the Obama regime and you thought it wouldn't exactly be a quote, happy time because of Afghanistan, economics and so on. So you want to call it Johnny boy? Yeah, I won. Have another french fry. People are... the Dow is at 8400. Everyone's freaking out. We've got Iran exploding and in complete disarray. We've got french fries killing us. We've got health care being cut by 300 billion dollars. People are happy.

1:02:16 Happy and alarmist no I'm just a realist you lose the bet you lose I can't remember what we bet for but you lose you come on and don't lose the bet lose the bet it may be the what I Describe well see the situation in which we are in you're welching on the bed. I can't believe you I'm not welching on any bet I won the bet okay. How can you say that people are happier right now? They've never been so messed up and angry and afraid I The way everyone I see is happy as a clam. You're happy, you're a happy guy, you had a burrito. So how do we determine who... I want to hear the show, we get a clip from it and we'll listen to it and then we'll let the users decide. You mean the listeners and producers, they're not users, they're not on crack.

1:03:07 The users. We had an investor in the office today. This is really funny, John. This is Jonathan, oh I wish I had his card, I left it at the office. One of these guys who made like a billion dollars on eBay or something like that and very, very nice guy. Soft-spoken, extremely intelligent. God, I wish I remember his last name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What story? I'm going to look for his name. I have it in my calendar. I'll tell you exactly who it was. It was Jonathan Fram. Have you ever heard of him? I think he does oil filters.

CHAPTER 20 / 20 Discussion

Jonathan Fram Anecdote and Show Sign-off

Adam Curry shares an anecdote about meeting investor Jonathan Fram of Mavron LLC, who questioned why a prominent figure like John Dvorak would work on the No Agenda network. The hosts conclude the show with final remarks about New York City and sign off, promising a return on Sunday. Dvorak mentions his upcoming trip to New York and potential news regarding David Letterman.

jonathan fram· mavron llc· ebay· silicon valley· david letterman

1:02:16 Happy and alarmist no I'm just a realist you lose the bet you lose I can't remember what we bet for but you lose you come on and don't lose the bet lose the bet it may be the what I Describe well see the situation in which we are in you're welching on the bed. I can't believe you I'm not welching on any bet I won the bet okay. How can you say that people are happier right now? They've never been so messed up and angry and afraid I The way everyone I see is happy as a clam. You're happy, you're a happy guy, you had a burrito. So how do we determine who... I want to hear the show, we get a clip from it and we'll listen to it and then we'll let the users decide. You mean the listeners and producers, they're not users, they're not on crack.

1:03:07 The users. We had an investor in the office today. This is really funny, John. This is Jonathan, oh I wish I had his card, I left it at the office. One of these guys who made like a billion dollars on eBay or something like that and very, very nice guy. Soft-spoken, extremely intelligent. God, I wish I remember his last name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What story? I'm going to look for his name. I have it in my calendar. I'll tell you exactly who it was. It was Jonathan Fram. Have you ever heard of him? I think he does oil filters.

1:03:48 He's uh, the firm he's with now is Mavron LLC. Great, nice guy. You know, and he's invested in a couple things and it was an introduction through Jennifer Cooper who is working with us now. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna meet this guy, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't think you need to know all these details. Get to the story. Okay. And um, I forgot what I was going to say. I really did. What was it in reference to? I have no idea. Oh, okay, no, no, no, no, I got it. I remember, I remember, I remember. And so we show him some stuff and show the Tech 5 Top 5. He's like, why the hell is Dvorak on your network? Why does he want to work for you? I know John Dvorak, sure I know him. How did you get him? Why would he want to be on this place? I was like, okay Jonathan, thanks for coming. That's cute. Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, anyway.

1:04:54 I think we should end on a high note. Yeah, well, I'm sure he'll appreciate this anecdote. I can't think of anything else. No, that's good. We're well within our time limits. I'll tell you, the people in New York were a little surly. Ah! Once again, proof I win the bet! No, no, just New Yorkers. That's the way they are. Oh, okay. But they seem to have lost their sense of humor in that town. And I don't know, I found that the whole New York thing is... I think New York's over. Well, there you go. I was there, I'm going there Thursday. I'm very excited. Live it up. I'll bet you'll arrive at Liberty Airport, that's Newark to you and I, and there'll be signs saying, Dvorak, get out of here. I'm probably more likely to say Letterman quit or something like that.

1:05:45 Hey, coming to you from this crappy bandwidth situation for the last time in San Francisco, I'm Adam Curry. We hope. And from the dark confines of northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Sunday right here on No Agenda.