Episode 103 · Thursday, 11 June 2009

Taylor Swift Sucks

A deep dive into the suspicious passenger manifest of Air France Flight 447 and the manufactured rise of Taylor Swift as the next pop industry titan.

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The No Agenda Show · No. 103

About this episode

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak broadcast from Gitmo Nation West as they investigate the mysterious disappearance of Air France Flight 447. Two passengers, Pablo Dreyfus and Ronald Dreyer, were high-level consultants tracking illegal arms trades in Brazil, raising questions about the official narrative of pitot tube failure. The hosts contrast the media's sensationalized weather reporting in South Beach with the reality on the ground while analyzing the 9/11 Pilots for Truth claims regarding Boeing flight speeds and altitude physics.

Dateline NBC recently profiled 19-year-old Taylor Swift as a musical prodigy, though critics suggest the heavy promotion is a calculated industry move to replace Britney Spears. In Washington, Congressman Ron Paul has secured 209 co-sponsors for HR 1207 to audit the Federal Reserve, while Canadian Minister Lisa Raitt faces backlash for calling a medical isotope shortage a sexy political opportunity. The broadcast also tracks the Bear Stearns collapse, with allegations that Goldman Sachs and the Treasury Department orchestrated a vendetta against the bank for failing to cooperate with the financial inner circle.

Adam Curry recounts his teenage years building pirate radio transmitters in Amsterdam and the technical training required to develop his broadcasting voice. John C. Dvorak shares details on a new spice book by Mimi Dvorak and critiques the pretentious atmosphere at Ozuma in San Francisco. The duo also weighs in on David Letterman’s public feud with Sarah Palin and Howard Stern’s critique of Jay Leno’s robotic departure from the Tonight Show.


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CHAPTER 01 / 21 Discussion

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak, Gitmo Nation West

Adam Curry and John C. Dvorak open the No Agenda broadcast from Gitmo Nation West in an undisclosed hotel location. Curry notes the poor bandwidth at his current site while Dvorak joins from a dark office. They discuss the timing of the recording on a Wednesday evening for a Thursday release and mention listeners in Amsterdam.

adam curry· john c. dvorak· gitmo nation· no agenda· amsterdam

00:00 Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Oh yeah, we've got the paper towel mic stand ready once again. It's time for your Gitmo Nation audio publication. This is no agenda. Still coming to you from the place with the crappy bandwidth, but we're doing our best. Coming to you from Gitmo Nation West in an undisclosed hotel location. I'm Adam Curry. And from some dark area, sun seems to have set. I guess that's not in the morning. I'm John C. Dvorak. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! It's always in the morning somewhere. That's right. In Amsterdam it's in the morning. There we go. I'm sure there's a couple guys listening. You think? I'm sure. Probably.

00:42 It is, well it's actually Wednesday evening, but by the time this goes out it'll be Thursday. So we'll be right on time for the show as usual. Kind of. Yeah. Hey John, how you doing? Good. Excellent. You've had a busy week. It really has been busy, but you know I'm back in the office. Meetings, meetings, meetings. I go into the office and there's meetings, meetings, meetings. There's lots of meetings. Well, it's not just... Yeah, there's meetings, but we've got some... You know, we got a huge piece of business in, so we had... It's all been creative meetings, which is different from boring meetings. I like the creative meetings. So we got... We got... What did we get? The new Honda scooter? who are going to advertise on the network. What new Honda scooter? Yeah, it's Italy's favorite scooter is made by Honda apparently. It's like a little motor scooter like a Vespa? Yes, 150cc so a real proper and it's highway legal apparently. So this is like a better than the Honda 50 back in the old 60s and 70s when they had the Beach Boys singing da da da da da da. The 49.9cc Honda yeah.

01:41 By the way, so I used to ride a motorcycle and I realized that from one experience of one of those Honda 50s as they used to be called. Which were four-stroke weren't they? They might have been, yeah. I think they were four-stroke. But whatever the case was, which makes them even more gutless, because if you had a two-stroke 50, you'd have twice as much power basically. I had one, they had no ignition. Well, I don't know. I don't remember that but whatever the case was I do remember this the thing it was dangerous The brakes weren't any good. Wait, John John John wait, hold on Do the words new advertiser and Honda mean anything to you? No, I'm saying now they've obviously gone in a different direction Yes, thank you. Okay, just making sure fool We're gonna do an unboxing. I can't wait. They can actually ship it in a crate and I'm gonna unbox the scooter. Oh

02:35 Are you gonna drive the scooter? I don't have a license for a scooter because I've been forbidden by many people in my life to ever drive anything with two wheels again since I almost... What happened? Give us a story. I told you this. I did, I used to do the celebrity motocross. I used to do a lot of riding and motocross and trial riding. Aren't you a little tall to be on a motocross bike? What was it? KTM 450. which was the last one I had, and I could have been easily quadriplegic. I got lucky. I couldn't poop straight for a year and I've not forgotten that because when it comes to pooping, it's pretty important to me. Yeah, I think everybody knows that. What do you mean? Nobody knows that. So what's on the top of the agenda? Because all the news I have is going to be real news.

CHAPTER 02 / 21 Discussion

United States Mint, Zinc Penny Composition Since 1983

The United States Mint has produced pennies primarily from zinc with a copper plating since 1983. A pre-1983 copper penny is estimated to be worth two cents as scrap metal, leading to a discussion on the rising costs of metal and the potential for wooden nickels.

united states mint· pennies· zinc· copper· scrap metal

03:25 Really? Well, not really. I mean, it depends on what real news is to you. But as you settle in in the Bay Area, I think you're going to find real news to be news. Well, no, no, I'm not going to allow that to happen. And luckily, you know that since 1983, I didn't know this. Do I have to hit the jingle or is that? No, no, there's not. This is just the thing I've got in my notepad for me. I just every time I see this, I get annoyed. Did you know that since 1983 all the pennies in the United States that were minted are made of zinc not copper? I think we've actually discussed this and I think we discussed that not just the pennies But I've also noticed the quarters and the nickels seem lighter than they used to yeah There's that up that too, but so they take copper plate and with a zinc underneath Yeah, I presume that's cheaper. I

04:16 Yeah, well copper actually a copper penny if you get if you collected a bunch of pre 1983 copper pennies And you sold them as scrap they'd be worth two cents each So why don't they just make them out of wood and cut straight to the chase? Just make nickels out of wood, and then we can use that saying yeah, the wooden nickel I do have some some excellent news for you. I don't know if you caught this or blogged it but Of course I continue to receive lots and thank you so much to our producers out there because particularly in these Times where yes, I am very busy at the moment We've you know, I've got a lot of catching up to do working hard at the office. And of course you're traveling tomorrow So I had set aside time to do proper show prep and it It wasn't as easy as normal for me today I'm getting lots of great stories two of the passengers on Air France's flight four four seven

CHAPTER 03 / 21 Discussion

Air France Flight 447, Arms Trade Consultants Disappearance

Two passengers on the missing Air France Flight 447, Pablo Dreyfus and Ronald Dreyer, were prominent consultants involved in tracking the international illegal arms trade. Dreyfus worked with Brazilian authorities to stop weapons flow to drug gangs in Rio de Janeiro. The aircraft's tail has been located, and search teams are looking for the flight data recorders before the pingers expire.

air france flight 447· pablo dreyfus· ronald dreyer· arms trade· brazil

05:09 happen to be two of the world's most prominent illegal arms trade and international drug trafficking foes. They that I'm glad you brought story up and I'll tell you why it's it's already been suppressed. Excuse me It's already been suppressed There was a discussion earlier in the day about these two guys and it was and the way they presented it because I never got the whole story it was and I never followed up like probably well, I'd say this is the link from the Sunday Herald Times will be in the show notes and no agenda dot me vo comm and Anyway, the way they presented it on the national media was that, or they hinted, implied that there were like two terrorists that may have blown up the place. They didn't even mention this, what you just said, which actually makes it even more interesting. I bet you on any flight coming from Brazil or France, there's probably... Of course, there's all kinds of drug dealers and arms dealers. Pablo Dreyfus, 39-year-old Argentinian.

06:11 who was traveling with his wife. That's what most terrorists do by the way. Let's see, Ronald Dreyer, Swiss diplomat. This is a whole list of people. Hold on, let me go back to the original story. Give us some of the names. Yeah, hold on a second. Swiss diplomat. 39-year-old Argentinian Pablo Dreyf is said to be a major player in an effort by Brazilian authorities to stop flow of arms to drug gangs in Rio. Ooh, he was a consultant for a small arms survey, a Geneva-based think tank. Another consultant, so these guys are consultants, I love that. Ronald Dreyer, Swiss diplomat and coordinator of the Geneva. By the way, most arms dealers are like legit guys. They can travel internationally, they have huge yachts like Khashoggi. You've probably heard of him. So these guys were consultants.

07:07 And they were reportedly traveling to Switzerland to quote present the latest edition of the small arm survey handbook. This story is weird and it just keeps getting weirder I think. And now they found the tail which means if you found the tail, they're pretty close. And the pinger still should be on so they should be on for another week. Yeah, they've got black box data by now. I'm pretty sure. Spokesman for pilots union says all Air France jets taking off now have been equipped with two new generation speed sensors. This is the bullshit, which I'm just going to call bullshit right now, that the plane disintegrated because they hadn't turned on the pitot heat. And let me explain that.

07:52 There's two ways, the way you measure airspeed is by a pitot which is, if you've ever seen one of those tubes that kind of looks like a little arrow point sticking straight up? Yeah, they call it a pitot tube. Pitot tube. And then you have the static port which is a pinhole size hole on the side of the aircraft and on these larger aircraft they have several for backup systems. And when you're flying at high altitude, the pitot tube can freeze because it's made of metal and it can then start to misindicate. But I'm sorry, it's bullshit. It's just BS. Oh, we forgot to switch on the pitot tube in our huge airliner. No. And then the plane disintegrated. No, no, no. That's just not, I'm just not going to accept that.

CHAPTER 04 / 21 Discussion

Pitot Tube Failure Theory, Air France Flight 447

Aviation experts and pilot unions suggest that malfunctioning pitot tubes, which measure airspeed, may have contributed to the disintegration of Air France Flight 447. Skeptics argue that a simple sensor freeze at high altitude should not cause a total airframe failure without other underlying maintenance issues.

pitot tube· air france· airspeed sensors· maintenance· aviation safety

07:07 And they were reportedly traveling to Switzerland to quote present the latest edition of the small arm survey handbook. This story is weird and it just keeps getting weirder I think. And now they found the tail which means if you found the tail, they're pretty close. And the pinger still should be on so they should be on for another week. Yeah, they've got black box data by now. I'm pretty sure. Spokesman for pilots union says all Air France jets taking off now have been equipped with two new generation speed sensors. This is the bullshit, which I'm just going to call bullshit right now, that the plane disintegrated because they hadn't turned on the pitot heat. And let me explain that.

07:52 There's two ways, the way you measure airspeed is by a pitot which is, if you've ever seen one of those tubes that kind of looks like a little arrow point sticking straight up? Yeah, they call it a pitot tube. Pitot tube. And then you have the static port which is a pinhole size hole on the side of the aircraft and on these larger aircraft they have several for backup systems. And when you're flying at high altitude, the pitot tube can freeze because it's made of metal and it can then start to misindicate. But I'm sorry, it's bullshit. It's just BS. Oh, we forgot to switch on the pitot tube in our huge airliner. No. And then the plane disintegrated. No, no, no. That's just not, I'm just not going to accept that.

08:41 And they have all these bogus reports of you know, well 24 warnings. It's just it stinks How come no one just says it thing was blown out of the sky or there was some huge maintenance issue But even that you know, where were the radio transmissions? Yeah, well if they get the black box up and running then You can't trust these guys with the black box. Yeah, I did factor reminds you What was the story recently? where somebody said that there was a the Swiss or somebody got a hold of the black box and then they phonied up the data? What was that story? Well, in 9-11 they phonied up the data. If you go to 911pilotsfortruth.org you'll see how they phonied up the data of the Pentagon plane, big quotation marks, where it actually overflew the Pentagon by 530 feet because they forgot to adjust for the pressure altitude setting of that day when they

CHAPTER 05 / 21 Discussion

9/11 Pilots for Truth, Pentagon Flight Data Discrepancies

The organization 9/11 Pilots for Truth challenges the official 9/11 Commission Report regarding the speed and altitude of the aircraft that struck the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. They claim it is physically impossible for a Boeing aircraft to maintain 400 miles per hour at 700 feet due to air resistance. Further claims suggest that cell phone calls from the flights were impossible above 1,000 feet.

9/11 pilots for truth· pentagon· nist report· boeing· flight data

09:32 massage the data. I mean, you can't trust, how can you trust the government or a government organization like the FAA to actually give you the pure data that came out of the black box? I mean, how can you? I don't, but at the same time, who else can we trust? So what's the name of that website with the Pilots for Truth? Is it another bunch of truthers? That's actually how I got involved in it. 911pilotsfortruth.org and the reason why I got interested is because the NIST, also the NIST report, but the 9-11 Commission report still maintains that the aircraft that flew into the Twin Towers were traveling at 400 miles an hour at 700 feet. And that is not possible. You can call Boeing right now and say, can your aircraft fly at 400 miles an hour at 700 feet? And they will laugh and hang up on you. Because the engines won't even, they will flame out at that speed, let alone that the entire airframe will disintegrate. Yes, you can fly at that speed at 40,000 feet,

10:34 when there's much less resistance, but you cannot fly that fast. And they maintain that, it's in the report. So it's a physical impossibility. And then I said, okay... Yeah, but see, here's the problem that a normal person would have with this kind of thinking. Let's say that they weren't flying at 400 miles an hour, they were flying at 250, which is doable at that speed, at that height. Yep. So what difference does it make? Well, there's got to be that because at zero altitude you can get to 160 with most of these big planes. Okay. Then add on top of that that the flight data, first of all, the aircraft

11:18 that flew into the Pentagon. The Pentagon situation is a little weirder because they won't release the videos that were taken. And I love all the cell phone recordings. Please, please on your next flight, you know what, you can tell them I said so and they can come and arrest me. Please try and make a cell phone call from your flight and tell me that you can call home. And just record that because you can't. It is not possible. You can't do that above a thousand feet almost. You cannot keep a connection. You cannot make a phone call. It has been proven with records that there was no air phones on board, so there was no on board calling facilities, yet all these people are calling. I'm sorry, there's too much information there. And we have Rumsfeld actually saying,

CHAPTER 06 / 21 Discussion

Media Sensationalism, South Beach Miami Weather Coverage

Television news coverage of a storm in South Beach, Miami, depicted a catastrophic event with flooding and electrical fires. However, travelers on the ground reported that the sun was shining and the reality was far less severe than the televised reports. This discrepancy highlights the contrast between national media narratives and actual events.

miami· south beach· media bias· weather reporting· ron and marta

12:07 Well the plane that was shot down over Pennsylvania remember we played that clip Yeah, I know that's still kind of annoying. Yeah, so all right well. Let's get back to our regular time. We'll give me It wasn't that one of our regular topics unfortunately it was do you think keeping us alive by the way? Give me some real news All right here goes real news, so I'm watching you want to play the jingle Just played the jingle you didn't hear it. No, shut up and listen and now back to you You can hear that cancer. Yeah, I can now Okay, so so last night and people who watch television. I mean I was stunned those of you who have no life Well, everybody watches television whether they have a life or not or not. I mean everybody you do you watch? No, I have not watched television as since I've gotten to San Francisco. I

13:04 I can't stand it. I tried. Let me tell you before you get into this real news story. I turned on the television last Saturday. I see Miami and I see Sodom and Gomorrah in South Beach, Miami And there's there's you know, five feet of water and you know, it's horrible and lightning and fire electrical fires I'm like, oh my god, Ron and Marta just flew to Miami. I'm like, I'm freaking out. You're like, oh man I hope these guys are okay. I mean, I don't know what's going on. It looks like you know, there's reporters and oh, it's horrible or And I finally get a hold of him and like, oh, the sun's shining. Yeah, it was kind of messed up. It took us three hours to drive from the airport. But the reality was so much in contrast with what was actually happening. And I said, that's it. I just can't watch this crap anymore. And then all they're doing is they're talking about themselves and they're talking about Bill O'Reilly and about what's the doodad dude from Keith Olbermann. They're all talking about themselves all day long. It's tiring and sickening. So how do you really feel about it?

CHAPTER 07 / 21 Discussion

Taylor Swift, Dateline NBC Profile and Musical Genius Claims

Dateline NBC aired a one-hour special dedicated to 19-year-old singer Taylor Swift, portraying her as a musical prodigy. The segment features Swift directing her band members to play "less notes" during soundchecks to avoid "noodley" solos. Critics suggest the heavy promotion is an industry attempt to find a replacement for Britney Spears following Swift's move from RCA to a new label.

taylor swift· dateline nbc· rca records· universal records· country music

14:09 to be the real news. but that they got a yeah and i don't think you did the bill o'reilly clinton anyway did so uh... so so i'm watching jim flippin around looking for something reasonable to watch because uh... you know i missed the bb basketball game and uh... there dateline nbc in entire our which could have just as easily been an infomercial an entire our dedicated to this new talent Taylor Swift who's that?

14:45 Yeah Perfect. I asked the question Taylor Swift Taylor Swift who the heck is Taylor Swift Taylor Swift is a blonde singer that and by the way our one listener at MeVeo Hey, buddy, we'll see you at the office tomorrow one listener videos It comes up to me a couple weeks ago, and he mentioned something he says, you know, apparently his wife and daughter are are big fans of Taylor's. Wait a minute, haven't we already done this story about Taylor Swift? No, we haven't. Yes we have! It was exactly the same thing! No, we couldn't have because it was just on Dateline last night! I'm calling it, I'm calling this a repeat!

15:26 How can it be a repeat? This was on last night. Yeah, but we already talked about Taylor Swift not knowing who the heck she was. We played the song and we said the exact same thing about Andrew Grumet being the fan of Taylor Swift. I'm bringing people back up to speed. I have to give them some background. You just said you don't know who she is. Well, apparently you do. You have a short memory. So let me get back to the story. So they give her a knife. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on a second. That's for short-term memory loss, okay, okay So anyway, so I bitched yes, I have bitched about this woman before I said she's overpromoted and that but this gave me a little more background because there was an entire hour devoted to her

16:12 on network TV and prime time. All she's ever done that she's accomplished is she won album of the year for some country, I think country and western. And it was like, there's not a song on there that's memorable or good. I don't think she sings very well. I hate to be a downer. But I am the buzzkill. So they're interviewing her and they got some, whoever the host this is, the woman, I see her once in a while. She's giggly, she's gushing. They're showing Taylor behind the scenes and what a genius she is. She's a genius. She's basically Mozart. She's better than Stevie Wonder. She's unbelievable. And so I want you to play one short clip from the show and I'm going to set it up.

17:00 They talked to one of the people working for her. Apparently she's on a tour, and that's what they were documenting, this tour. By the way, this is what I think anybody out there who's in show business that's a singer or in a band or does anything in the road, and I think that people like Sheryl Crow or Leanne Rimes, people who can actually sing, they must be steaming. Oh yeah, they throw up in their mouth, absolutely. Steaming. This woman is all she does designs the sets. She does the staging and the people awesome and all the people I work for go Oh, she's amazing for 19. She's a genius. So here's my Mozart clip showing what a genius she is play it But Taylor's strive for perfection only makes the people who work with this young star respect her that much more a sound check

17:58 Yeah, there's been times where I've played a solo and then she'll say well Can you kind of do this and she'll sing me a melody I'll incorporate that and and that's very impressive for age Prince it The problem that I was having with the solo is that it like it's getting a little noodley I'd rather it be like less notes less notes less notes it's too noodley that's real musician speak by the way I hear you know Jeff the Jeff Smith who is

18:49 Actually a performing working his ass off musician who was in the office today at me vo you can see him on the me vo underground He must be puking in his mouth hearing this. I mean that is My god for someone who's 19 to actually be able to tell me to adjust a note, I mean wow, I'm just flipping out. I Yeah, so that was so what's there must be a commercial tie-in obviously there's a lot of money invested in this girl What label is she on hold on? I'm afraid to... this is my problem, John. Well, here's the deal. She was picked up by... first she was picked up by RCA and they told the story and then RCA dumped her and then some guy who used to be with Universal Records decided to start his own label kind of a, you know, a virtual David Geffen because he saw the promotional abilities because he, I think, is the promoter and he picked her up and it's a completely new label but the guy, the guy behind her has got to be this guy and he's really good.

19:51 Well, there's got to be a tie-in to get a full hour on Dateline. A full hour! So she can go, yeah, yeah, how about no too much noodling, too many notes. It was unbelievable. Yeah. Well, that's what your news time on television is spent on, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, this is very, very exciting. I've been talking about Congressman Ron Paul's bill to audit the Federal Reserve. Currently 209 co-sponsors, only 9 more needed and this thing goes to the Senate. That's where it dies. I was waiting for you, almost on cue. Sorry. But that's good. How many Democrats

CHAPTER 08 / 21 Discussion

Ron Paul, Federal Reserve Audit Bill HR 1207

Congressman Ron Paul's bill to audit the Federal Reserve has reached 209 co-sponsors, nearing the threshold required for further legislative action. While the bill gains momentum in the House, there is skepticism regarding its chances of passing in the Senate.

ron paul· federal reserve· audit the fed· hr 1207· senate

20:48 I guess I should look at the split, but that's a pretty good 209. It's getting there. There is some hope and yeah, maybe it dies in the Senate, but still we can try it again and we can try it again. We really need to do this. We need to audit this stuff. We need to, it's never gonna happen. Let's just get, oh by the way, can I, let me back up to the Taylor Swift thing, because I have one note that needs to be. Don't noodle it, as long as you don't noodle the notes. Here, here's the, so they were interviewing her, they got these close-ups and I keep looking at the woman, because I know that what they're trying to do is find a replacement for Britney Spears. And so I'm looking at her and I'm saying, you know, this girl, you know, I mean she's kind of pleasant looking, she's kind of a puffy face, you know,

21:32 Cutie pie is a mouseketeer kind of girl. Yeah, and I'm looking at her says she's looks familiar She just looks familiar and I hate to be mean-spirited when I give my analysis here But I keep looking at her nice and I've noticed her lips. She got a really small mouth so and I look and look and look at Old Trump And then I look, wait it gets worse. Now first thing I think is she looks like Donald Trump and then I look at her nose and then I look at her eyes. She looks like Donald Trump in drag if he was 19. You know your lips ain't exactly Angelina Jolie, John. I don't look like Donald Trump and I don't form my mouth a certain way that Donald Trump does. She talks like him too. Maybe that's the tie-in.

22:21 Maybe she's related. Yeah. Jinx. Yeah, you never know. That's the last story I'm ever doing about this girl. She's probably made more money than two of us combined. Oh no, I doubt it. I doubt it. You think she's being taken for a ride like everybody else in the business? Of course. Of course. There's no money in the business right now. You really have to have three hit albums before even the record company. God, there's so much money that goes into promoting these artists these days. But there is, you mentioned Britney Spears, there is a Britney Spears documentary, I forget the name of it, it was playing on the Virgin Flight. It's actually worth viewing.

CHAPTER 09 / 21 Discussion

Britney Spears Documentary, Mouseketeer Origins

A documentary about Britney Spears explores her early career as a Mouseketeer alongside Justin Timberlake and Jessica Simpson. The film attempts to humanize the pop star by focusing on her passion for dance and her personal struggles within the entertainment industry.

britney spears· mouseketeers· justin timberlake· jessica simpson· documentary

23:00 Because when you kind of strip away all the bullshit that you that you normally see At the at the very core there is a young girl who just really wants to dance and she that's all she you know She was really a Mouseketeer She came up with Justin Timberlake and Jessica Simpson and you know, there's if you have a chance to Take a look at this because it will change your perception about Britney Spears in some degree. I don't have a negative attitude toward her mainly because I a friend of mine who was in the computer business for a long time became one of her aide-de-camp for a few years. Oh, one of her bootlicking lackeys. And he told me a couple of things that were like really kind of sad and it was like and he said that she's just a nice you know she's a pretty nice person she might be a

CHAPTER 10 / 21 Discussion

Howard Stern, David Letterman and Jay Leno Rivalry

Howard Stern appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman to criticize Jay Leno's departure from The Tonight Show. Stern accused Leno of being robotic and lacking emotion during his final broadcast. The discussion also touches on the failure of the 10 p.m. time slot for comedy and Stern's transition to Sirius Satellite Radio.

howard stern· david letterman· jay leno· late night television· nbc

23:51 You know, a little bisexual on occasion, but she's uh... That's not a bad thing. No, it doesn't bother me. Talking about that, we might as well bring in another clip. Okay. If you want. Sure, I love clips. Play the clip. This was from, you know, over the years Letterman and Leno have, you know, they pretend to be friends, but now they hate each other. apparently. I think they do. You gotta play the clip that...Howard Stern came on the Letterman Show and this is what he did. I know the pressure here. This is big pressure. We gotta beat this Conan. I mean for God's sakes, how are you feeling that Jay left late night television and now we got a new guy we gotta compete with? And I want to say something to this audience about loyalty. Dave put me on national television many many years ago. Yeah.

24:39 Stern, oh, it's the same rap every single time. It's a little tiring. It's not that I don't want you to listen to Stern. I want you to listen to Letterman. I'm sorry. Okay. Before I was known and I have stuck with Dave. I didn't like Jay. I never liked Jay. I can't stand Jay. Let me say something. Now we can talk. Thank you Howard I've never seen anybody who behaves like a robot like this guy. I watched his final show He says goodbye to the tonight show. He's reading it off a teleprompter for crying out loud. Where's the emotion and where's the humanity? Here's the host that we want to watch

25:16 Thank you Howard. I appreciate that. I went on this guy's show one time and uh... Who are we talking about now? Jay Leno. I bring out two lesbians, right? I'm Howard Stern, I bring out two lesbians. He's shocked he walked off his own show. Really? I knew it wouldn't last. But it was Letterman thanking him profusely for these negative comments. Yeah, well, this is also kind of the rap they always do when when Stern is on he's always bashing. Yeah No, that's true. But but they did never has let let him has always been a little reticent when he did it I mean he wasn't profusely thanking him. I wonder I wonder maybe Letterman is probably thinking shit, you know, I wouldn't mind having the 1010 p.m. Slot and

26:03 Now that 10 p.m. Sluts a disaster. Yeah, I know I know what you're thinking about it. We'll see you know, I'm open-minded I'm open-minded they're gonna do a whole they're gonna do a lot of months before they pull it off the air They're not gonna yank it. Well, that's because I think you or somebody else pointed out I did it's a Hail Mary It's the final thing they can and they don't have a backup nothing nothing whatsoever But isn't just on Stern for a moment boy has that guy gone into complete irrelevance in in just a short amount of time and it used to be he was you know people would talk about him you know and and now it's and i still love the stuff he does and you know i don't have a chance really to listen anymore i i don't think i'd jacking barely get internet in this place let alone that i could receive uh... serious satellite radio and at the string up an antenna

CHAPTER 11 / 21 Discussion

Adam Curry, Radio Voice Training and Pirate Radio History

Adam Curry describes his early obsession with radio, including building a pirate transmitter in Amsterdam and practicing his broadcasting voice for hours as a teenager. He recounts working at a hospital radio station and later adopting the persona "John Holden" on Radio Decibel. Curry notes that his natural speaking voice is an octave higher when speaking Dutch compared to English.

adam curry· radio decibel· amsterdam· pirate radio· broadcasting

26:50 So the reception is so poor. This is an aside. There's one thing interesting about him that I only noticed at this time watching him because I've been working with you for such a long time. He reminds me of you in this way you guys both have an extremely Radio-centric natural voice. Yeah, that is just actually a state, you know, even Leo Laporte has commented on your voice Oh, really? Oh, that's nice. That's for you know in a positive way, but it's like, you know I'll take it as a comment the fact of the matter is and I will tell everybody out there that That you know Adam is using a yeah, like I'm using a kg 3000 B. It's a really high-end mic I'm running through a compressor. I have like you know that I'm making myself sound as good as I can Adam is using a lavalier wireless from a paper paper towel holder

27:43 No, because I like the sound of this mic now I have to say what mic is it it's a Hold on. It's a Lectro. I love that. This is a brand for you electro UHF um 110 I've had this thing for six or seven years. I do like the dynamics of it, but it's just really handy because it's small and you can't go over it. It's a condenser though, isn't it? Yes, it is. But if you go to curry.com, and I rarely ever plug the website because I rarely ever post anything except for this show.

28:21 You'll see a picture of me when I was about 15 years old. Actually, you can see my CB radio set up. I would literally sit, I had one of those beds that was built up. My dad built the bed for me. Probably too cheap to buy me a real bed and the room was so small. Like, hey, cool, you can have like a little desk underneath where you can do your schoolwork. Yeah, right. I'm saying ham radio shack. That's what I'm building there. And you'll see me with like my my dark sunglasses on looking all cool But I would sit under there for hours for hours practicing my voice For hours at a time recording playing back talking up intros. I did that in Incessantly, I just kept on doing it and doing and doing because I had auditioned for

29:08 There was a hospital radio station and at this point I was doing I had built my own little pirate radio transmitter My mom drove me around the block see how far the signal would reach and I found out that some kids in the neighborhood Of course, I was the dork They were listening to it. I was like, oh, wait a minute cool, you know Maybe I and I built my own little mixer and I was mixing records and and I was talking stuff up and there was a hospital radio station which is very captive audience, of course, and you know, they can't really run away from your signal and And they had two openings, one as an engineer and one as a host. And I auditioned for both. You had to be 16, but my parents let me lie and say that I was 15. I said I was 16 even though I was 15. And they rejected me as a presenter, I think they called it. And it really hurt. They accepted me as an engineer, so I had all this time in the professional studio, and I practiced there after hours, after school. So I really, really worked it. What's interesting,

30:04 is when I speak in Dutch, I'm almost an octave higher. I cannot project the same voice in the Dutch language. That's a long way to get to that punchline, but that's actually kind of interesting. Yeah. Well, I like talking about myself. Yeah, well, that's okay, too. Huh? Yeah, so that's nice that we like a regular Kobe Bryant I mean, you know, you have to practice a lot to get any good and you're like you have a really great I mean your sound is true. It's fantastic. I mean, I'm basically a stammering, you know amateur by comparison It's if it wasn't for the fact that I have superior content. I'd be nowhere in this thing game When I was when I was 16, I would drive my moped and

30:44 to the big pirate station in Amsterdam, Radio Decibel, and no one knew who I was. I actually got away with a persona called John Holden. I was black, 24, and rode a Harley Davidson, and I would make dates with listeners. I would say, hey baby, why don't you meet up with me behind the American Hotel tonight after the show? And for people who have ever been to Amsterdam, there is no behind the American Hotel. You can't get behind the American Hotel. But they bought it. They thought I was actually 24, this big black guy who rode a Harley. And eventually when kids at school caught on in high school, I became cool. And that's why I've always been on radio. Because you're a geek, you're a loser, you wear the wrong clothes, your hair is all wrong, you look stupid, you have Tourette's. Hey, radio is the place for you, boy.

31:33 Well, anyway, you got to, that's what Stern reminds me. He's got a similar, obviously a perfected style. It's not the radio voice, you know, the guys who really got that one, you know, that announcer's voice that they like to develop. It's more of a natural sounding, but if you really listen to it, yours I would include, it's not natural. It's a practiced voice that is a natural sounding. It's almost like, you know, reminds me of women. There's all, there's women out there that are gorgeous. And their real perfection is that they can use makeup and it makes and they look like they don't have any makeup on. Yeah, oh I love them. You know, they're awesome. They're awesome. We should find us some of them. So talking about Letterman, he got his tit in the ringer.

32:19 for making a Sarah Palin joke. Oh, I had not heard. Yeah, it's a big deal. All the right-wing talk shows are all over this one. O'Reilly just had a big special line. There they go, media talking about media. There's wars going on, there's shit going on in our own country and we're just talking about media. And here we are, we're talking about media talking about media. How stupid are we? You're right, in fact I'm going to drop the story. But it's ridiculous, the guy makes a light joke and everyone's been... and Sarah called him a pedophile. He said that? She did, she said he was because he made a joke about her daughter. Oh God, she has no concept. She's an idiot, I've given up on her. I can't take it anymore, I can't stand that voice, it's just screechy, she mispronounces words.

CHAPTER 12 / 21 Discussion

David Letterman, Sarah Palin Joke Controversy

David Letterman faced criticism from conservative commentators after making a joke about Sarah Palin's daughter. Palin responded by criticizing Letterman's character, while pundits like Monica Crowley accused the host of being a tool for the Democratic Party.

david letterman· sarah palin· monica crowley· political satire· republican party

31:33 Well, anyway, you got to, that's what Stern reminds me. He's got a similar, obviously a perfected style. It's not the radio voice, you know, the guys who really got that one, you know, that announcer's voice that they like to develop. It's more of a natural sounding, but if you really listen to it, yours I would include, it's not natural. It's a practiced voice that is a natural sounding. It's almost like, you know, reminds me of women. There's all, there's women out there that are gorgeous. And their real perfection is that they can use makeup and it makes and they look like they don't have any makeup on. Yeah, oh I love them. You know, they're awesome. They're awesome. We should find us some of them. So talking about Letterman, he got his tit in the ringer.

32:19 for making a Sarah Palin joke. Oh, I had not heard. Yeah, it's a big deal. All the right-wing talk shows are all over this one. O'Reilly just had a big special line. There they go, media talking about media. There's wars going on, there's shit going on in our own country and we're just talking about media. And here we are, we're talking about media talking about media. How stupid are we? You're right, in fact I'm going to drop the story. But it's ridiculous, the guy makes a light joke and everyone's been... and Sarah called him a pedophile. He said that? She did, she said he was because he made a joke about her daughter. Oh God, she has no concept. She's an idiot, I've given up on her. I can't take it anymore, I can't stand that voice, it's just screechy, she mispronounces words.

33:08 I mean it's just, and you know, she's, I just can't handle it. I mean, I would vote for the Republican ticket, and now of course they're criticized, Monica Crowley comes on and she criticizes Letterman for being a functionary of the Democrats. Letterman's a Republican. He's always been a Republican. Yeah, he voted for Obama for, you know, because he didn't... To get him on the show. Which we do too by the way. Yes, we're big Obama fans. Let's go to a Canadia for a second. Interesting little scandal going on there with Natural Resources Minister Lisa Raitt, I believe spelled the same way as Bonnie Raitt, maybe related, re-rated.

CHAPTER 13 / 21 Discussion

Lisa Raitt, Canadian Medical Isotope Crisis Recording

Canadian Natural Resources Minister Lisa Raitt was caught on tape describing the medical isotope shortage as a "sexy" problem for her political career. The recording, published by the Chronicle Herald after a court injunction was lifted, reveals Raitt discussing how the crisis involving radioactive leaks and cancer could provide her with positive credit if fixed.

lisa raitt· canada· medical isotopes· cancer· chronicle herald

33:50 Caught on tape, you know, this is how your politicians basically talk behind the scenes and of course I don't have the tape but I was sent the article with parts of the transcript. On this recording she's caught calling the medical isotopes crisis, which I'm not familiar with, a quote, sexy problem and wanted credit for fixing it. So basically, you know, cancer saying, hey, this is a really sexy problem. This is really going to further my political career. You know, I want some credit for fixing this problem. Are you familiar with the isotopes problem? I never heard of this isotopes problem. Let me see. A publication ban covering... Oh, okay, that's what we didn't hear.

34:34 Let me see if I can pick up this story where this is Nova Kosha Supreme Court Justice Gerald Moore rejected an injunction application by rates form front storm fun bullshit bullshit publication bank covering the arch before the gym after the judges ruling rates comments were immediately published in a story on the Chronicle has website in the recording McDonald's of the isotope issues it could is confusing to a lot of people but it's sexy mrs. Raitt said radioactive leaks cancer okay so I guess there's some kind of isotope Leak somewhere that is possibly causing cancer and she says oh, it's a sexy story because radioactive leaks cause cancer And that's good for my political career. How sick are these people? That's pretty bad. Yeah, she should be in Chicago. She fit she would fit right in there

CHAPTER 14 / 21 Discussion

Gordon Brown, Obama Beach D-Day Gaffe

During the 65th anniversary of D-Day, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown mistakenly referred to Omaha Beach as "Obama Beach" during a speech. The event featured several world leaders, including President Obama and Nicolas Sarkozy, who were criticized for using the solemn military commemoration for political grandstanding.

gordon brown· barack obama· d-day· omaha beach· sarkozy

35:20 Yeah, no kidding. Jeez. So here's one here. I get it off the wall. Um, uh, thing. What are my other lists? What's on, did you have the, uh, there's one on there that I think is on my list of clips. I've got a Gordon, Gordon Brown. I know what this is. I know what this is. I heard him do this. I have to say I was watching the, the D day commemoratives, uh, So which of course the 65th anniversary of D-Day is like we know 50. Yeah, okay, so you know, yeah I know they made a decision there was two things one. It was politically great for Obama Yeah, but the reason I said these guys are gonna be dead if we could wait any longer can't wait until 75 they'll be You know because they're not you know that I will say my paternal grandfather Albert Schoble who actually was born in Schwarzwald in Germany he he

36:10 He landed on Omaha Beach and he fought his way all the way to Arnhem, a bridge too far if you've seen the movie. Yeah, wow. Yeah, and he lived to be 90-something. He died in his chair peacefully, in his favorite chair. He was a true American patriot. And yeah, of course, these guys never really would talk about that. It was probably not the greatest experience of their lives. So, 2500 troops died landing on Omaha Beach. So apparently Omaha Beach has been renamed by Gordon Brown. Play it.

36:45 So next to Obama Beach We joined President Obama in paying particular tribute to the spectacularly bravery of American soldiers Let's hear that again in case you missed it. It's Omaha Beach and of course, he does it at the end though He realizes how he said it wrong dick. Yeah, so next to Obama Beach I these are the people leading the free world we should get a clip of that that is a little outrageous Obama beach Obama and lets listen to the end when he muffs it up again we join president Obama in paying particular tribute to the spectacular bravery of American soldiers who gave their lives on Omaha beach

37:28 Obama wasn't even born then and now we're paying tribute to Obama by renaming Omaha Beach Obama Beach Obama Beach Gordon Gordon Brown screw you That's just a horrible misuse of a great tragedy. Oh, he's a jerk so So yeah, I think he's out, isn't he? I think he's gonna be... No, no, he's not. Not yet. Did you see all those guys though? They were all there with... they all had their choppers and they're all... it was like a new invasion. It was just... it was... oh, it really, really pained me. And you see these guys, you know, tears in their eyes and all these... I just have... I'm sorry, please.

38:06 I try to keep it family-friendly, but these fuckwads are just using it for their own political advantage. It really was disturbing, particularly from the type of family that I come from, and I'm very anti-government, big government, anti-war, anti all of that. But you cannot deny the patriotism of people who serve their country. That's what America, unfortunately or fortunately, is a big part of it. My whole family has been in service. And then to have these guys, this Napoleon crap head, walking around like he is Napoleon, strutting his stuff, it really made me angry. You're talking about Sarkozy? Yeah, he had his own chopper there. Obama had three choppers and Gordon Brown had his chopper. It was like a fly-in. It was like Oshkosh. I swear to God.

CHAPTER 15 / 21 Discussion

Charlie Rose, Elizabeth Edwards Interview on Infidelity

Charlie Rose interviewed Elizabeth Edwards regarding her book and her husband John Edwards' extramarital affair during her cancer treatment. During the segment, Rose appeared to rationalize sexual affairs as being distinct from love, prompting observations about his interviewing style and personal perspective on the matter.

charlie rose· elizabeth edwards· john edwards· infidelity· book tour

39:00 Okay, end of rant. I got one more. All right, so that's it. Let's go. We got another clip. What's the one Charlie? Charlie, okay. This is Charlie Rose who is I don't know. He's like who I think is diminishing in his importance and I don't like it. He's been a psycho fan since the day. I don't like him. I mean, I like him as a guy maybe but he's no big deal. He's not a great interviewer. No, he's got a good buddy's in the right place at the right time. He's set himself up Well, I've never liked him because I always thought years ago He would always just be asking people what it was like to be rich I mean, I I remember that he was in on a remote shot one time and he goes into this guy's house And he sees this painting. It was a Picasso or something. He asked him how much is how much you think that what is that worth today? You know, he's like worse than you know, the people that ask you suck up. Oh

39:49 He's a total suck up. So he has Elizabeth Edwards on, who during her period where she's going for, you know, she's got a book out, so she's pounding the pavement and also slamming her husband. Yeah, because he was having an affair while she was going through cancer treatment. Yeah, she was slamming him and it was very, but it was very, she was doing it gently. It was really like driving the knife home. But this one little segment of this particular interview says to me something interesting and when you just let, just play it straight and then at the very end let me make the comment that I observe it immediately. Okay. Instead of having the chance to appreciate their father as I had for so long. Why is sexual affairs so big deal? It's about sex. Right. He didn't love another person. Right. He loved, everybody knows that. He knows that and you know that. I know. So why is this a big deal? Well, I mean...

40:39 Okay, what is it? What would I'm listening to this going? Oh Charlie's having a Charlie's having an affair exactly is like it's just sex. It's not love baby It's just sex. I you know, I just needed some some sex. It wasn't really anything else I mean, you can't not hear that you had the same reaction of course, of course guys obviously Rationalizing the whole thing for some future use or current use you never know but I but I will say that uh... people can damn very very quickly and uh... It's not it's very easy to say. Oh, what a shit. You know he did yeah, well He had an affair while she was going through cancer treatment. That's just not you know you cannot know what the relationship is You do not know and but it's you know, but people speculate whether you like her is that the last clip I have yes Yeah, well, let's play this Taylor Swift again Please let's not

CHAPTER 16 / 21 Discussion

Adam Curry, IRS Tax Lien and Credit Score Issues

Adam Curry discovered a $143,000 tax lien on his credit report while attempting to rent an apartment in San Francisco. Despite having resolved the issue with the IRS years prior, the lien remained on certain credit reports, forcing him to pay six months of rent in advance to secure a loft.

adam curry· irs· tax lien· credit report· san francisco

41:36 I hope you have something else because as I said I got to talk about some we haven't thanked our supporters. Oh, yes, our producers. Can you turn down your speakers just a bit? Have a drink. Exactly someone actually sent me a jingle for that, but I can't download anything while doing the show so I'm severely handicapped I'm trying to do it and already the connections breaking up so I got to stop it. Yeah, don't do it stop stop so By the way the crazy numbers people have been sending us as luckily Past it looks like we have three new numbers 1908 836

42:14 Wait 1908 first 1908 1908. No, there was a depression in 1908 but actually was an is it is it? 1908 dollars no, I wish okay All right. Well, then let's not talk about it 36 and 1054, you know, you know, what's no one's does the 1040 like the tax return isn't that interesting? Hmm. Oh, by the way You're like this. Remember I had, uh, remember the IRS agent showed up at the office with their hand on their guns because all of a sudden I started getting payroll in America after 10 years and some, I hadn't filed something and then they're like, okay, you owe us $8 gazillion and I had to fight it for a year. Yeah. Can you want to honk the horn now? No, because I have a new slant on the story. Well, I still get the horn honked at me. No, it's all right. Continue, continue. I'm just pointing this out.

43:10 So I'm going to rent an apartment here in San Francisco. For one reason only, I need some proper bandwidth. And the ashtrays in this one. That's how dedicated we are ladies and gentlemen. That's right. So the agent who James who actually used before you know I had the the curry condo and we got rid of that because I wasn't out here enough and of course the minute I got rid of it it's like oh by the way maybe I should be out here more and yeah typical. What actually is pretty good because you know prices are very very cheap right now you can pick up something really nice and I think got a really nice loft which will work fine

43:49 And so he goes, hey Adam, and I worked with this guy before, he's like, you know, I just gotta do, do you mind if we just do a credit check? No, I said, I haven't been here for 10 years, you know, it shouldn't be a problem. So two things show up. One thing is like a hundred and forty seven dollars for AT&T from 1999. By the way, AT&T tracks your ass better than the government. You know, so apparently when we moved from New Jersey, you know, I guess the phone line didn't get shut off or whatever. So, okay, that's not a big deal. And then there's like a hundred and forty three thousand dollar tax lien. Like what? Which, you know, had been removed.

44:31 But not from all of the credit reports. So my credit is completely hosed Wow, yeah, I'm like Okay, and so now it's like now I have to go and figure out you know I immediately because it took me a year and I had it spent like 20 grand on lawyers to prove that you know, I didn't know anything and But this is what always happens by the way. And so now I got to get this thing removed and that's not quite as easy as you think it is unless you get one of these hosebag agents who then go take care of it for you. God, it's just, and you know, it's like a percentage, it drives me nuts. Yeah. Just a little personal thing. You did get the place though.

45:14 Yeah, but I had to pay like eight months in advance. Oh. Well, you know, you're a big risk, my friend. Yeah, we don't... You've been working with this guy for a long time. But it's not him, it's the owner. It's the owner. The owner's like, you know, well, I don't trust this guy, you know, so you pay your two months deposit plus six months in advance. I was like, okay. Damn. Well, that stinks. Yeah, it really does. Alright, so let's go over some of our guys who have yes, okay when they've gone to the this is why we need some money I need to get my credit repaired. Okay. I need a mic stand. How about that? Is that better? Hello, John?

CHAPTER 17 / 21 Discussion

No Agenda Producer Donations, Scuba Vision Productions

The hosts acknowledge financial support from producers, including Robert Montgomery, John Stewart, and Scuba Vision Productions. They compare their donation-based funding model to PBS, noting that some donors use their contributions as a form of low-cost commercial promotion for their businesses.

robert montgomery· john stewart· scuba vision productions· donations· pbs model

46:01 And we still have to be a little bit isn't Back up something went really wrong with Skype. Okay start it again No agenda, I'm sorry the no agenda library comm is one of the sites you can go to to help us or Devork org slash na and I will have a new HTML page up that eventually I'm just Yeah, just like our website. I got to work on that too. Okay, and Robert Montgomery well, you know we're doing the show are you downloading something? No, I just turned something off. But let me check. Let me see Oh, it's horrible. All of a sudden you went Mickey Mouse on me, you know crap Maybe it's the guys upstairs downloading porn again. No, it could happen. Can you not getting me? So I won't be able to yeah, I can hear you, but it sounds muffled and crappy, but go ahead I'll be quiet. So pretty crappy to you. Yeah, Robert Montgomery 50 bucks at Jon Stewart. I

46:57 These are all $50 donors. John Stewart, Christopher Charles, Scuba Vision Productions. So I don't know what that's all about. That's a commercial. I guess, you know, it's not a bad idea. Frank Van Son gave us $51. Well, that's one more than $50. Andrew Valencia is up to $100. He's a good guy. And Kelly Rogstad, another $100 donor. Timothy Tillman gave us a nice fat $250. Lovely! Thank you. Great, thank you very much. That's very nice. Appreciate it. Timothy Tillman will do a jingle around people who give us a lot of money.

47:41 Anyway, so that got us through the week. You just said something very interesting. This of course has been kind of a marketing exercise to see if we can actually fund a show, which we're not able to, based upon donations, kind of like the PBS model, which people apparently give a lot of money to. Yeah, they do. But we haven't milked it. Well, here's why. You just said something very interesting. Whenever you watch PBS, you always have companies When they're doing a fun drive and like well all the employees of Best Buy got together and came up with a hundred and thirty thousand dollars And of course, it's a huge commercial for Best Buy. Yeah, so that's when you hit what was that scuba vision? What was the guy's name? Hey, sh. Frankel stop skyping me you shit Scuba vision productions, maybe that's what the promise people are skyping you know because I'm declining Well, it's jamming up the system apparently. Hmm

48:38 So that's scuba vision productions. Well, that's very smart. You just got four mentions for the price of 50 bucks or five. I kid you lost track 10 bucks a mention you can't beat that. No that what's the CPM on that baby? It's really it's like a 15 cents. I had a interesting we had a meeting with With someone who was actually pitching us on investing in us today and And what was interesting about it, I knew this guy, I'm not going to mention his name, because before we got our initial investment four years ago, we met with a subdivision of, I'll mention the name in a minute, an outfit called Constellation in New York, who were looking to do, actually they had investments from people like Will Smith and Bruce Willis, and so they basically take Hollywood money and then lose it.

CHAPTER 18 / 21 Discussion

Bear Stearns Collapse, Goldman Sachs Vendetta Claim

A former executive from a Bear Stearns subdivision claims the bank's collapse was a targeted vendetta by Goldman Sachs and the Treasury Department. Unlike other major banks that received bailouts, Bear Stearns was allegedly allowed to fail because its leadership did not "play nicely" with the established financial inner circle in Washington.

bear stearns· goldman sachs· timothy geithner· treasury department· bankruptcy

49:31 and they invest in media stuff and these were kind of arrogant, you know, kind of a little cocky and it was a subdivision of Bear Stearns. Yeah, Constellation is fairly well known for being that way. Right, so they were part of Bear Stearns and so seeing this guy again who was now working for a different outfit And I said, dude, how's it going? He said, well, and he walked me through the story and he was like, and it was really, really weird on Friday. But because you remember this all came down on a Sunday, right? When all this stuff happened, there were rumors about

50:08 Maybe there would be a buyer, but no one believed it, because how in God's name could anything happen over the weekend? He says, I remember laying in my bed Saturday night, looking up at the ceiling and thinking, oh, this is so horribly wrong. Maybe I should get out of bed right now and go to the office and get my stuff. And he thought to himself, no, you know what? I'll go tomorrow morning. And so he went in Sunday morning. He said there were all these gray-haired senior executives all walking through the hallways with their boxes. And so he got his box of shit and he says, almost like your house is on fire, what do you take? And so he got all his stuff left on Sunday. And this was, remember when the rumored price was $1 and they sold it for $2 and then something very interesting happened, and this is kind of the point I was going to make.

50:55 Even though it had sold for two, or that was the price that was mentioned on Sunday, all of us, and Bear Stearns, the way it worked was you could have all this tremendous, and people had leveraged their stock, and people were going broke massively because they had margin calls. But at Bear Stearns, you could not sell your Bear Stearns stock until some ridiculous thing like five years after you worked there. They had some really weird lockup. And on that Monday they said, oh, everyone can sell now. Go ahead. It's all free. Everyone's unlocked. Everyone started to sell at three bucks. And then remember what happened? The price went to 10, the purchase price, because they included the building or some crap like that. And I said, please confirm for me one thing. That was a personal vendetta from Goldman Sachs. Because of course, Goldman Sachs runs the treasury. And he said, absolutely.

51:47 Absolutely, because it was the only bank that went bankrupt. Every other bank has been bailed out and it was a complete targeted vendetta towards Bear Stearns. But what was the reason? Hatred. The Goldman guys are dicks and because Bear Stearns was outside of the system kind of, you know, they were their own independent, they didn't play nicely with everybody, they just kind of did their own thing and they had their own, they didn't play with the group, they didn't suck up to the Treasury. and the treasury being Goldman Sachs guys. And look at it, look at who was in, Timothy Geithner. Look at all these, who was the other guy? Everybody's singing on business and everywhere else. Whatever you do, you can't get around this, although there's a bunch of goody goodies out there that don't want to believe this simple fact. People hold grudges. Grudges, absolutely. And they sit on the grudge for years. And when they have the chance, they will stick it in you.

52:45 Yeah, well, you know, I probably would do the same thing. You do it all the time to me. I don't do it to you ever. By the way, by the way, I'm just laying in wait. Yes, you are. Ah, I can strike. Finally, I can get that long haired freak. You, it was a good Cranky Geeks today. I really enjoyed. I was in the studio with a good friend of mine from New York, Kevin. And I thought it was really fun to watch I thought the topics were good and you know I'm just gonna give you a little bit of props and maybe you were just on your game Maybe you felt a little nervous because you know, the boss was there and you had to perform better. Yeah, like a monkey Yes grind for me monkey boy grind for me, but it was a good show It was really really good. The second show we did was to we had a couple good shows I think to be honest about I wasn't on my game I was

CHAPTER 19 / 21 Discussion

Cranky Geeks, Pre-Taping and Production Logistics

John Dvorak and Adam Curry discuss recent episodes of Cranky Geeks, including a production error where Dvorak wore the same sweater vest for two back-to-back tapings. They explain the logistics of pre-taping shows when hosts are traveling to New York or Washington.

cranky geeks· john c. dvorak· adam curry· television production· sweater vest

51:47 Absolutely, because it was the only bank that went bankrupt. Every other bank has been bailed out and it was a complete targeted vendetta towards Bear Stearns. But what was the reason? Hatred. The Goldman guys are dicks and because Bear Stearns was outside of the system kind of, you know, they were their own independent, they didn't play nicely with everybody, they just kind of did their own thing and they had their own, they didn't play with the group, they didn't suck up to the Treasury. and the treasury being Goldman Sachs guys. And look at it, look at who was in, Timothy Geithner. Look at all these, who was the other guy? Everybody's singing on business and everywhere else. Whatever you do, you can't get around this, although there's a bunch of goody goodies out there that don't want to believe this simple fact. People hold grudges. Grudges, absolutely. And they sit on the grudge for years. And when they have the chance, they will stick it in you.

52:45 Yeah, well, you know, I probably would do the same thing. You do it all the time to me. I don't do it to you ever. By the way, by the way, I'm just laying in wait. Yes, you are. Ah, I can strike. Finally, I can get that long haired freak. You, it was a good Cranky Geeks today. I really enjoyed. I was in the studio with a good friend of mine from New York, Kevin. And I thought it was really fun to watch I thought the topics were good and you know I'm just gonna give you a little bit of props and maybe you were just on your game Maybe you felt a little nervous because you know, the boss was there and you had to perform better. Yeah, like a monkey Yes grind for me monkey boy grind for me, but it was a good show It was really really good. The second show we did was to we had a couple good shows I think to be honest about I wasn't on my game I was

53:37 In fact, I screwed up. The second joke? No, here's the first show was great. We're talking about the first show was good The second show was good, but both shows I was I was I was having trouble with the cards and then in the second show I make I Go out of my way. This is a classic blunder I go out of my way to wear the stupid sweater vest for the first show Yeah to take it off for the second show because we're running it next week. We're gonna look like we're wearing the same clothes. I So I left the sweater vest on. I never wear a sweater vest. So it just draws attention to the fact that I have the exact same outfit on for two weeks in a row. Yeah, gee, and oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to give away the fact that it won't be live next week. Why isn't it live, by the way? Who gave you permission to pre-tape? We do it all the time. Every time, if you're not going to be there Wednesday, and I'm going to be in New York City, we do two shows in a row.

54:32 And how come I'm not on the show? You would have been on the show. Of course you would have showed up late. Not if I was on the show. I showed up just in time. If you were, uh, if you, if we, if we knew that you were going to be around, you'll be on the show. You're going to be in town all the time. You'll be on the show way too much now. So don't even don't start complaining yet. I love it. I love when I'm on the show because all the fans of the show dislike me. That's not true. You're full of it. People like you. You're very personable. You're actually quite good on the show. Oh, thank you. Well, have me on the show then. We'll have you on the show. Can I play a jingle? No, no, she's not getting no jingles. You haven't heard this jingle yet. Oh, you mean I touch him in on the show when you do the show? No, this on this show. Oh, yeah, time has come. Oh wait, that's the wrong one. That's we've heard that. That's not the one I meant to play. I need to honk the horn for myself. I'm sorry. Didn't mean to do that. That was a different one. All right. That was it?

CHAPTER 20 / 21 Discussion

Ozuma Restaurant Review, San Francisco Sushi Pricing

The hosts review Ozuma, a Japanese restaurant in San Francisco, criticizing it for being overpriced and pretentious. They noted the sushi bar was empty and the Kobe beef did not meet expectations. The dinner was marked by expensive sake and a surly atmosphere.

ozuma· san francisco· sushi· kobe beef· sake

55:29 Well as I said, you know, I have all... I have this whole list... We still got five minutes left. We still got five minutes left. Well I have this whole list of things except I didn't have time to open the web browsers and preload everything. Well, let's forget that. We still have the restaurant review to do. Oh God. What do you mean? Oh God because it ended exactly that like the last time we had dinner with We can review the restaurant without that reviewing the fact that you know you you can't seem to control your emotions no, no what happens is you have an uncanny knack of turning a Completely nice dinner into me actually agreeing with you Yelling at my girlfriend

56:13 Where I should be punching your lights out. I couldn't believe myself. I'm like what the hell am I doing? I'm letting this jackass get away with this crap And I don't actually like you I'm like I'm telling you no wonder the show is good cuz you I think you're a dick I could not believe myself Here, I don't know what your problem is that let's review the restaurant All right. Ozuma. It's a place in San Francisco. It's been around for a while. I think the giveaway, if I'm going to give the final analysis of this thing, is this. It's got a huge sushi bar and there was not one person sitting at it. Yeah, it was completely empty. Yeah, that was kind of weird. I've never seen that in San Francisco, which is sushi territory. All these places are packed. You can very rarely get to the sushi bar.

57:01 The place was too expensive. Yes, it was outrageously expensive. It was pretentious. It was too pretentious. The Kobe beef was good. It wasn't that good. It was okay, but the thing that bugged me the most is we had two bottles of sake indistinguishable from each other. It both tasted like, you know, water that made you drunk. and made you not punch out John Dvorak but agree with him while he's berating your girlfriend. Bad mojo. Bad mojo. We drank two bottles of sake amongst the three of us. It was set up for disaster. This was bad. Did you drive home? It wasn't that much. You should be arrested.

57:52 Hey, unless I'm seeing double, I'm not worried about it. Like hey, there's two tall blonde people. What's going on with that? No, it was no but the food was okay, but not for that price and not for the pretentiousness. Yeah, the food actually the food was okay. The Kobe thing was not as good as they claimed it to be. There's a lot of pretense at the place. The sake was way too expensive, but that was the cheap sake. They had sake on their list for six, seven hundred dollars a bottle. It's ridiculous. Give me a break. They had and they wanted to do it. The thing that bugged me the most, even though you know everybody's kind of going along with the program, I was a little bit, I was, it got me annoyed in almost instantly, which is probably the reason I was so, you know, surly. You think? Here's the problem. When I, when these guys come over with the sales pitch,

58:44 You know, about let me prepare a meal for you. Now look at the guy, he's like 27 years old and he wants to dream up some meal for us and I'm looking at the menu which has enough good stuff on it. I'd like to test a few things out. First thing I'm thinking of, well, that's interesting. This is what Nobu does. But unfortunately when you eat at Nobu, by comparison, you get tremendous stuff. I mean, Nobu, especially the one in New York, which is the one I've had eaten at most, although I've eaten at the Las Vegas Nobu too and it's actually quite good. But it's extremely expensive just like this place, but you get mind-boggling food. This place where you got just good sushi. So here... Yeah, I'm sorry. It was just I didn't think much of it. I wouldn't go back. No, me neither. And you know what? For the place being so empty, why didn't they give us a table that actually had a real view?

59:35 I checked that out. The tables with the real view, there was no... There were four tables. There wasn't actually one up against the window. I did check that out. I did not like the way the tables were positioned. I thought it could have been a lot better. And hey, we were a pretty hot-looking crowd. We're all over six foot one. I think we lit up the place. We certainly lit up near the end. Boy, we were lit up. and but here's the buzzkill john john says you know i said well now how can you weren't excited you know we said you know come on out to dinner like well there was a game on television i really wanted to see you know you know you are just a lakers game come on he would take that shit t vo it you know we were going to tell you people basketball is the worst thing in the world of people

CHAPTER 21 / 21 Discussion

Mimi Dvorak, Spice Book and Show Outro

John Dvorak discusses a new book about spices written by his wife, Mimi, which provides background on global spicing theories. The show concludes with Adam Curry preparing for a trip to New York and Dvorak attending his son's graduation from Evergreen State College.

mimi dvorak· spices· evergreen state college· comcast· san francisco

1:00:21 I didn't mean it as an insult, but you were wanting... It came across as one. ...we all jacked up. Okay, I get out of the house. My wife, she's always going on, you're getting... you went out, you had some fun. You know, she's always lamenting... Well then why don't you go live with your wife? Here's a concept, live with your wife for a while. ...Washington State, it's a little hard for her to haul her ass down here to have lousy sushi. You can do the show from Washington State. Why do you live here at all? Because I'm doing some work for a company where the boss of this deal wants to know why you were not working for me. All right. End of show. Gee, we're out of time. The band is playing. It's better to be in northern Silicon Valley if you're reporting on Silicon Valley. This is true. But you're going to be doing finances soon and you've got your

1:01:13 your cycles book and your pepper book and all this stuff that is looking terrific when is that thing coming out man can I please edit on it and it's done can I prove it you want to take a look at I'll send you the PDF love to look at it oh my god this is gorgeous this book but is it interesting Yeah, if you're into spices, it's extremely interesting. Then I'd be interested. What's the market for spices these days? For a book about spices? I think that the way Mimi did this book, there is nothing like it. She's kind of a backgrounder on the spices from the various areas of the world and what their theory of spicing is, and then a bunch of ways to mix up their style of spicing, and you can use it in your cooking if you want to. It's actually quite unique. Cool.

1:02:00 Okay, so you're going to New York. When are you back? I'm back Wednesday night. Okay. Wait a minute, so you're going to do the show on Sunday from New York? I'm going to be in Washington because my son's graduating from Evergreen. Congratulations. Good. That's excellent. And I will, I think I'm I might be in Los Angeles? No. I don't know. On Sunday? Yeah, maybe for one day. I gotta figure out. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna be here. I'll be here for the Sunday show. So I'll have crappy bandwidth for the last time. And then I call Comcast Cares for the new place and we're all set. Lovely. Coming to you from the undisclosed flop house, I'm Adam Curry.

1:02:47 And from the Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C. Dvorak. We'll talk to you again on Sunday, right here on NO Agenda.