No Agenda 010

00:01 Hi everybody, welcome once again. It is the show that has no commercials, no jingles, no songs, no plot, no year-end wrap-up lists, no talent, and most of all, no agenda. Coming to you from the Curry Manor in a chilly United Kingdom, I'm Adam Curry. And I'm John C. DeVorek up here in the rainy Northern California. It's actually kind of cold here too, I think it's 40. I've got the coal burning, my friend. And it smells nice. Yeah, no cold for us. No. All right, so I hope you had a nice Christmas. Yeah, I went up to Washington State where it was really miserable and spent the days up there and now I'm down here. Excellent. We stayed at home and I actually just got back. It's Saturday, by the way, the 29th. It's 8.05 p.m. in the UK, 12.05 p.m. in

00:57 in California and yesterday we went over to the Netherlands and just to have dinner basically with my sister, both of my sisters, their significant others and the kids and so we just got back and I'm ready to get this New Year's thing over with already. So what's, where'd you eat? This place called Veranda, which actually I have a better dinner story, although this was fun, but this was kind of a place where the kids could run around. Yeah, they're like between ages 7 and 10, so... You know, it's like we didn't go to an overly posh place. I did however with Christina and Patricia and Christina's boyfriend, Dujour Jake. We went to Cliveden House. You familiar with Cliveden?

01:42 Yeah, okay, so we went there and we had because we've Patricia and I have stayed there before and we went to have dinner And I was all ready I was like okay I'm gonna order a really awesome bottle of wine because I know Patricia will be she'll be into it and You know I was sure I could you know between the two of us I could probably do a bottle of wine I was really gonna get a good one, and I'm looking at at the... what do you call it? The wine menu? The wine list? It's the wine list, and I think if I'm not mistaken that place has one that looks like the Manhattan phone directory. It's amazing, and I saw it, and it was 1953 Latour.

02:20 I'm like yeah, I'm gonna go for this baby. Can I guess the price can I get the price? Yeah, yes, I guess it sure sure sure now now you have I know the pound price so you know you and your currency may In pounds I guess it in pounds now England and in America in the United States. I think we would probably that wine would be around 53 Latour would be probably around $7,500. Now I would think that in England, because they're closer to the source and they collect those wines broadly across those kinds of restaurants, I'm thinking that wine might be priced as low as

03:01 3,000 pounds and actually there were a couple of the tours the there were two different ones from 53 and one of them was 3,400 and one of them was 2,400 so you were awfully awfully close in fact right I was right in the middle yeah right in the middle and But needless to say Patricia like I really don't feel like wine tonight And then what do you do it's like yeah, I'm not gonna drink a whole bottle of wine No problem, I know but you know it's all you give me a doggy bag, and I'll take it home with me I don't want to just drink it by myself So I didn't do it, and I know it sounds incredibly bourgeois or

03:42 What is the word I'm looking for? We're talking about a 7,000... Decadent. Decadent. Ah, yes, thank you. We're talking about a $7,000 bottle of wine, but it really was going to be my gift to myself and it didn't happen. It's kind of high. You could probably track that wine down on the open market for $1,000 maybe. Really? Wow. Yeah. Well, let's do that. Fuck it. When I come to San Francisco, let's track one down, Johnny boy. Well, you know, I don't you know if there's any idea there probably is some I mean it's possible I mean the 53 has got to be fading by now, although it's probably pretty tasty I would you know, if you could get a 59 or a 61 you'd probably have the same quality a little cheaper and and fresher it actually seemed like they had a lot of 95 wines that That seemed to be very popular on the list 95 is said, you know, it's two wines or the Bordeaux's or 95 boy I'm sure people out there rolling their eyes, but I'll tell you you know, you might as well listen for a minute now

04:39 95 Bordeaux's right now are 12 years old which puts them right at the moment where you should be drinking, starting to drink them and they're still gonna have their fruit, they're gonna be absolutely delicious. That's why. Well I probably should have gone for one of those because they were significantly cheaper. Oh, yeah, compared to seven thousand dollars now once you get past it. He's you know old old collectibles They actually would rather just keep them in the place so they can say they have them there They don't really want people buying them although. They're not gonna refuse the sale I guarantee you that no and I was kind of looking forward to getting into it with the sommelier, but anyway for another time um Maybe over the hill of course you know the news that

05:17 That we certainly were talking about over over dinner last night was Butoh's assassination in Pakistan. Yeah, and I'm like yeah, what a disaster. Yeah, I mean Is it just me or not hold on a second? Let me they got a switch echelon on so they can capture all this but this has CIA written all over it John I mean, we're a month away from an election. We've got Musharraf who is totally our bitch because you know, we've sent him billions of dollars and You know, and it's part like remove all problems and part message I think to him. It seems like a cookie cutter CIA deal. I really, that just doesn't, that actually makes no sense to me at all. I don't see the CIA even, you know, I think they,

06:03 they're quite freaked about it to be honest but i don't think they need that kind of accusation because i just don't seem to i think it was a it was either the radicals this subject of countries filled with maniacs not know i don't know i mean who actually they would love that they would love to do you know to do you know we hear this to birds with one stone by killer when it gets rid of her and who they didn't like anyway, because she's not for the radicals. And it also makes it look like Musharraf's a bad guy, so it gets rid of him and they can get this country to where they want it, which is to be a Sharia state. Hold on one second, let me just back up. First of all, Just so the listeners understand I'm not saying you know there's like a CIA guy with dark glasses who's in between the the masses and then you know all of a sudden With a scope takes this takes this woman out Obviously it was a radical thinking person of some sort

06:55 And you know that that's how it always works. It's always either a bodyguard or you know someone close close to the person yeah Yeah, but I don't see what the benefit of her getting assassinated is to the United States I think it's it's a catalyst for the United States to go in and take control it does border on Iraq God we can't even take control of Iraq. I mean we don't need that aggravation, but think of but no of course we don't need it, but think but think about the strategy may be behind it you know it could be Well, we'll just move some guys over here. I mean Pakistan has a lot to offer as well. You know All right, well if you if we put some I mean we already have some people over there But if we did well, I would definitely destabilize here, but I don't think we want that I mean they have a bomb we have to be leery of I mean that's at the set of no I don't know I will let you shake out, but I think I still think it was an internal Project that was I don't think we have zip to do with it to be honest about it Well, then let me know he says my thinking yeah, and I and I'm also looking at our news media We shouldn't been covering it very well. I don't see the implications of yeah, I know it's pathetic

07:57 And let me just step back and say that to me it was really shocking. I've been following this woman, obviously she's been on television in the UK quite a bit in the past few years because she lived here in exile. So I've always watched her with interest. Also because she's just a stunning woman to look at. And the travesty of killing this beautiful creature, that also just struck me. When it's like guys wearing military uniforms and shit, it doesn't hurt me, it doesn't affect me that much. But I was like, crap man, this is fucked up. I think she knew she was going to get killed. There was some nihilistic thing going on with her.

08:41 I mean they tried to blow her up what a month ago Yeah, 160 people died during that and now and now there's a this was the latest news that came in but now there's you know a cover-up Let me bring up the story An Islamic militant group said Saturday it had no link to Bhutto's killing and the opposition leaders' aides accused the government of a cover-up disputing the official account of her death. So, you know, they're saying, well, she wasn't, you know, she hit her head and, you know, she bumped against something and it wasn't an assassination. So, yeah, this is all messed up. That's well mucked up.

09:24 It's a bad scene. We got a comment from someone about journalism. Our listener? Yeah, our listener called in and I guess we were talking on one of the earlier episodes about journalism and headlines and how totally lame journalism is. Yeah. In general. We do that a lot. Yeah, so check this out. Hey Adam, Dave again from Lionsport. Wanted to touch base with you. You can hear that right, John? Yeah, I heard you talking about advertising and journalists rather journalists, I guess with John C. Dvorak on no agenda and You're talking about headlines, but you get a kick out of I think it was the post after Ike Turner died the headline read Ike Turner

10:16 Did you catch that? Yeah, now what was that all about? He said, you know, since we like headlines, the headline in the New York Post was, Ike Turner beats Tina to death. Huh, what was the basic, and how did they twist that into the reality of the story? Hold on a second. What was the story? What was the story? The story that Ike Turner died? Yeah, I, Turner, well, I mean, aren't they, I'm not getting, there's a joke in there, but I don't get it. Oh, beats are to, beats are to, oh, I get it. Meanwhile, Skype is like crap, crapping out and you're coming through like, you know, barely coming through on the wireless and you're not getting this joke. This is the lamest part of the show ever.

11:12 It is that's pretty bad, and I get the joke now, okay? Yeah, that's very it's very cute actually it's just that I'm you know Sometimes I'm not as sharp as I should be now now. I'm actually sorry. I brought it up. Yeah, you should be you're humiliated me But it's funny. It's a good joke. I heard you, even though we're not doing any wrap-up lists or whatever, I just wanted to throw something out there. There's all this talk about a lightweight Apple device that is apparently coming at the new, at the upcoming Macworld in January. That's what they believe.

11:48 But you know more yes, I do and I don't know if I mentioned this to you It will be a lightweight device. It will be flash based it will be a tablet like device But I think the most important thing is Apple apparently holds some really important patent on on pen based computing and Did they have something called the light? Yeah, so do you recall a product the light pen and I think it was a big little Brazil or something? Yeah, there was right right there was something cool. Yeah, in fact I remember I think I know the guy who that device has been around for a while And I actually met the guy who invented it. What did it do years ago? What did the light pen do? somehow if I'm not mistaken if it's the same device I'm thinking of and

12:35 You could use it on the screen without having a special screen. It would read the pixels and figure out where it was and be able to do like, you know... Yeah, that's it. That's it. So that's the patent that they have. Like a Wacom tablet. Right. They probably bought this guy's technology then or he works for them. I'm not sure. Well, I think it was theirs. It was Apple's and they patented back in the Newton days. And although clearly it wasn't working on the Newton but So the word is that you know it's going to be you know they're going to reintroduce this this light pen or this this this particular technology With this new device and that is what's supposed to be coming So I just want to throw that out there because I haven't heard anyone mention that and I thought that you know Maybe I have something on it. Maybe Apple can buy us and shut us down. Oh there you go. That would be good I'm game for that Hold on one second I have a feeling that my

13:35 My wife is watching YouTube videos hold on can you just hold on for one second let me let me check so there's a very So anyway, there's a very interesting story here in the US that people should follow and we have a thing on the blog called the police state news bulletin and This is the more interesting one. This is the most interesting one recently it looks like In a park in Columbus, Ohio, the police decided to take one of their officers and strip her naked. And she was, they put her in the park to see what kind of perverts they could lure. Is there a picture? There's kind of a blurry picture you can see. Is she hot? It's nothing.

14:17 She looks like just a naked girl in the park, you know, that'd be from in the Berkeley area I mean, this is like a I don't know how they do it here But anyway, so they used to have these naked sit-ins in Berkeley if they still do them. It's it's horrible by the way it's like something you don't ever want to see inside it's just a lot of naked misshapen people and you just shaking your cringy actually you get you you're like have you have the shakes for about a week after you've been busy witness this anyway so this woman who's there and some guy who happened to be a firefighter goes over there and he says you know he's a little naked girl in the park that is interesting so it goes over search chatting with her

14:57 And then she starts, you know doing everything short of fondling and she puts her legs on him and she's you know flirting and she tells she you know says well So what do you got inside there big boy kind of thing? And so he? himself And it was their camera. I mean what was this like a reality show? Yeah, they have to think yeah No, it wasn't a reality show. It was it wasn't that crazy, you know NBC thing. Yeah, but it was simple But they do have it videoed, and it's available, you can link to it from the original site. And so they arrest this guy for, you know, pervert, because he's obviously a musty, you know, if you're a heterosexual male attracted to a naked girl, you're obviously a pervert. And so they found, and he's a firefighter, which is really

15:47 Too bad. And so they went, but they found him guilty, and they couldn't do anything about the entrapment laws or anything like that. And some people on my blog pointed out that some of the entrapment laws have actually been circumvented by new legislation that's been slipped in where it's legal to do anything. And meanwhile, stories on top of the story that's even more ludicrous which is taking into cops uh... that you'd still patrol the subway s system are leaving objects laying around like a wallet or an ipod and if somebody picks one of these things up boom you get jim doesn't

16:27 you get it for whatever. I'm not even sure what the crime is, but they figure it's a crime. And so they've arrested over 300 citizens who just pick stuff up, even though in New York there's a law that says if you find something valuable, you have 10 days to turn it in. They don't care. So they just arrested them anyway, because this is one way to get your numbers up. So I'm thinking now, when did the system So a lot of this is you could blame on the fact that cops don't want to deal with real crimes like the I think it's three Or it's either three or nine. I mean, it's 9,000. I actually have a number here There's a John John John hold on one second. I'm gonna call you back. This is fucked up Skype. I'll call you right back All right. Let's see if this is better

17:14 Well, that was new. It was so bad and your story sounded really good. I can make it up. This time when you called, the Skype thing came up as a transparent little box on top of the... Right, right, like a Mac thing almost, an overlay. I've never seen that before. Oh, no, no, it's cool. It's when you got Skype open that it does that on the PC. So anyway... Right. So this so basically citizens are being entrapped by the cops for crazy-ass shit Yeah, because it seems like the thing to do of course this poor guy now is gonna be a sex crime guy forever and I'm sure I'll be seeing him at secondary screening Yeah, well you haven't got to go through that for a while. Well the 15th. I'm coming to New York I can't wait. It's gonna be fun

18:07 Should I record my entry into the United States or am I really looking for trouble? Now you're looking for trouble because they won't let you even take a picture. Because they think, you know, the idea is that the only reason you'd be doing that is because to give the information to the terrorists on how the system works. So you can't do anything. So forget it. Mean you might you know if you could get some you know if you get something like a Accidental recording you know something that's pocketable by the way if you like the conversations that John and I have about this stuff Then you have to you must stop s 1959 you must stop this bill from passing. This is the the thought crimes bill John right? 1959 is which

18:53 That's a good year for that Latour, by the way. Anyway, there's currently 9,000 unsolved murders in New York, but they're doing all this stuff with the phony baloney lost iPods. So anyway, I'm thinking about how this whole entrapment thing works, and I realize that there's an entrapment mentality that permeates the American society in such a way, and I'm not sure where it stems from, if it's not from laziness. uh... because and i'm not even sure what caused an effect on me whether it started with american football or whether american football reflects it and let me explain i was talking this over with somebody the other day about how the scoring in american football has become ridiculously high like defense can't do anything they used to be able to bump into the receiver for example all along the way it used to be called a bump and roll

19:47 That was illegal. In fact, most things were made illegal in football to increase the scoring. But the more interesting thing is, and it's become a planned play, and I consider it a form of entrapment, which is a play called pass interference. and what these guys desperate sis sis a situation especially the end of the game though the quarterback will drop back and heave the ball as far as he can at some receiver whether you get could catch the ball and that's the mystery but the receiver has to be stops in his tracks or he looks like he's gonna catch the ball to fake out the did the defender and the defender touches him and they throw a flag and now the ball now it's called pass interference interference and the ball is placed

20:27 The ball is placed at that spot, which means it's like a 50 60 yard penalty in some instances, which is ridiculous in college It's only 15 yards and then they take a field and the whole well, they kick a field goal They can get it. They sometimes didn't get a touchdown. They sometimes get the bone to your heart line There's a lot of possibilities here with the fact of the matter is there are plays that are designed to elicit pass interference and this is to me a form of entrapment and and it seemed like a good idea at the time and I'm sure that these cops think this is great because you know they're getting would be, it's almost like pre-crime, they're looking for people who haven't really done anything and then they figure well if they do this, if they go up to the naked girl, they probably would do something if there were you know this, but again it's a victimless crime anyway so the whole thing is a joke.

21:16 Well, it's also that that's interesting. It's you know, you see a lot of this type of behavior on the internet I mean isn't that exactly what people do when they're flaming and they're saying, you know They're calling you out on your words on your blog post and isn't that almost some form of cultural behavior? where we're always looking to to catch someone saying something or being evil or it just feels like I'm there's a lot of that around and Yeah, what's it come from though? I mean, has it always been like this? I mean, uh... Dissatisfaction. It's projecting your own dissatisfaction, throwing your own baggage in someone else's way. I mean, that's, uh, I think that's pretty human.

21:58 Boo what cops engaging in it to such an extreme where they're doing these crazy These aren't even interesting stings well I mean getting some guy to say hello to a naked girl is not the same as like busting somebody for a big drug deal Okay, follow my logic for a second follow my logic So the normal Joe on the internet who you know will get pissed off and it's everybody okay? You get pissed off at something somebody so wrote or you disagree or there's a nuance in language What do you mean by the word is you know that kind of stuff and? You start flaming and you start posting and you do it because you're frustrated about many other things in real life that have nothing to do with the topic You know people are just frustrated because I think people in general are pretty frustrated about their lives now I

22:44 I believe the cops are frustrated. There's probably a lot of shit going on there that we know nothing about. By the way, you know, here comes Mr. Conspiracy. There's a lot of talk about the cops and the New York City Fire Department, and since we're talking about New York City, they really know a lot more about 9-11. And, you know, obviously these guys have a code and a cone of silence. and probably no one will crack on it but you know keeping stuff inside like that there's a lot that's shit that hasn't been dealt with man there's a lot going on there so maybe they're just frustrated and they start doing stupid shit like everyone else does when they're trolling the internet and talking stupid shit

23:29 Well, maybe I'll take that a John C. Dvorak maybe yes Finally a theory he might be just maybe by and large mind by into and talking about by and large So I start so I did some research and let me go get my little sheet of paper hang on a second You put this on pause for one second. Yeah, yeah, no problem. I'd love to this is interesting. We can just I Record a show like this during the week and just record little bits and then put it on pause and put it all together Note to self not a bad idea now. You were listening. Okay. I'm recording I heard you okay. Oh cool, okay?

24:15 So okay, I got the by and large thing so I decided to look at start looking it up and one of the things that you can do and Something notes you know with the definition, right? They'll see if I can find that the definition of a denotical definition Which is you know the talking about how they you know it's a ship term and by you know It's when you have the wind kind of at you and you have to sail by the wind and then if you got it What the fuck are you talking about? We're talking about by and large nautical turns. It's a sailing term oh And by means you're going against the wind you have to go by that when you have to go back and forth you know using the wind the other one is large when you're sailing large the winds right behind you throw the big the big Sheets up, then you just suck it all in and go as fast as you can in one direction, okay? So that's basically it's in both cases by and large and

25:07 Right, both cases, which is kind of where it stems from. But anyway, so I've tracked, so I decided to go, there's a, you know, Microsoft has one of the best sets of public domain books. While Google's been scanning books and getting a lot of bad publicity for it, Microsoft's been doing the same thing because we all know that whatever Google does, Microsoft does. Because, yeah, where's the rim shot? Anyway. So, I'll blog this with credit to the guy who sent me the original email. I just don't have him in front of me right now. But he sent me a definition which I'll put in there. So I said, well let me look into the old books that Microsoft has scanned from many of these books from the University of California and UCLA libraries, which are enormous collections.

25:59 And so I was able to track the word usage back to as far as, the furthest back I got, by and large was used a lot in the 1918, 1915 era. A lot. I mean they just keep cropping up all over the place. But I traced it back to, first I got a good one in an 1890 book which was a glossary. And on page 95, it says, by and large, is a term meaning a kind of, you know, like you said, this and that, you know, in most cases, in all cases, and that kind of thing. But the kicker was by this guy, December 20th, 1890 entry, he says the term was used among rustic people. That's what I thought was amusing, personally.

26:52 Yeah, rustic means you know idiots. Oh anyone who says that right okay? They're an idiot perfect There's an idiot. But anyway, but I took it back and I the furthest I could find usage of the word was in a In a book called Iowa and the rebellion and it was used by the author of that book in 1866 And he said buy it he said by and large and then I thought I found in 1847 to reference But the date was actually mismanaged by Microsoft. It was actually January 1926 so that didn't count But anyway, so I've gotten it as far back as 1866 and that I so I don't so it's probably impossible to figure out who popularized it Because it's just I think it's lost the history, but we should clearly stop using that term well unless you want to consider yourself rustic Anyway, so that's this as far as I've gotten so the quest continues. Don't know it's me. Yeah. Yeah Maybe they'll trigger some guys who you know have even better

27:59 You know, I gotta tell you that this... Get the Skype guys on the phone. It sucks ass. Yeah, sometimes it's the time we're talking. Yeah, and now you're really cutting in and out. I mean, when you hear it, you'll be like, oh shit, man. I mean, you can follow the conversation, but at times it's pretty fucking bad. And I'm just thinking, why don't we set this up so we just do it on the fucking phone? I think the phone is too... it doesn't have a clarity. Well, so there's two things. First the idea of, you know, this show, basically because the way the show is published it auto assembles, you know, you get episode after episode, so there's nothing against us doing a phone call or not, doing a five minute conversation about something if it were really easy, right? If I just had something and I called you or, you know, even if we said, I'll call you tomorrow at noon or whatever.

28:58 It would just kind of happen. You know we just call in and then boom the show is released That's one thought and then that's it. That's one way, and then the other one is just the technology this just sucks This is this is no. This is no fun. This unreliable shit. You know it's funny cuz you're sounding great Well, it's either. You know as we were discussing just just before we hit record. I'm on I'm not on British telecom and you're on Comcast, and whenever we first establish the connection, every single week it's the same thing. It's like it gets better within a minute or two, and I'm thinking, is this the package, the bandwidth shaping, the packet prioritization that's going on? Oh, this is not BitTorrent. Oh, maybe it is BitTorrent. Let's cut it for a second. It literally sounds like that sometimes.

29:51 Well, let me see you know I might have a background test because you sound good, but if I sound bad Maybe it's my fault no, but it's not just you sounding bad. You can you can hear the bandwidth just being shut off It's a bandwidth thing you know years of fucking voice over IP has taught me that this is what it's on and I know because if I go to your site and And maybe it's my incoming bandwidth if I go to your site well you're talking and it's loading pictures then then all of a sudden it starts to crunch and So I'm clearly not getting enough bits from you and whether it's my end or your as probably on my end Fuckers did I lose you? No you sound good. You sound good. Well, then you should be recording on your end

30:36 Well, you know that's a thought yeah, duh Anyway, what if we had a what if we had a mobile setup something that was really convenient I mean would that be a format to try and do something every day? I'm really trying to you know to look at some fun project for 2008 because clearly you and I don't have enough to do Yeah, well it's always good to sit in bullshit on the phone once in a while Yeah, you know let's see how would that work? I wonder what people you know the thing is of course a daily show is where the It's where the money is And of course. I'm sorry Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's where the money is baby. Well. I mean the daily show is where the money is At some point because there was another thought I had okay bear with me on this because this is shit I've been thinking about a lot over the past couple days

31:26 So I truly believe that in the not too distant future, maybe five years, let's just make it easy on ourselves, in five years there will be enough ubiquitous bandwidth around and streaming capabilities that essentially we'll just have digital radios. I mean it's what DAB already is, but it'll be two-way. And so you'll be able to stream certainly you'll be you can do that today over you know over your your mobile phone The price may vary depending on your plan and where you live and all that shit, but bar the subways You know you can probably I've done I chats with people with with KJ with Chris Jacob on while he was on the train You know coming down from from upstate, New York. You know so we can we can get a stream out there What if we had a stream?

32:13 that is essentially 24 hours a day and we just keep adding to it. Right? So if you drop in, you'll hear the conversation, then eventually you'll get up to a point that you've already heard and then you're up to date and when you check in again, ah fuck, I don't know if it would work. Something like that. I mean, shit's going on. I think what you're describing is some sort of an audio Twitter. Which actually exists, but I wanted it does Yeah, Dave Weiner put something together where you you literally you call in to a phone number and you leave a message It's limited, you know, they've limited it to I don't know one minute or something like that to keep within the you know the scope of Twitter or whatever and

32:59 And then people who follow you receive a URL and then you can also you know then I think where that broke down is Twitter doesn't do enclosures in their RSS feeds or something like that, but there are It's certainly possible Telling you this the idea the idea of this thing you're describing that Dave Weiner did is that somebody you call this number say yeah I'm standing here on the corner of fourth and seventh and I'm Can't figure out which way to walk because the next street is fifth and the other one is sixth But if I go to six and fifth, it's like what kind of street number you're doing. Yeah and scoble you rock dude

33:39 You got you got to put that in there if you're on Twitter you just you guys a scoble dude you rock anyway So yeah, then so then you hang up and then your Twitter then publishes a URL Twitter gram or something like that. I don't know I'd have to look into it But yes, so as you mentioned you brought something about that needs to be discussed. Oh shit. I just well No, I'm just saying can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you so I'm just saying that You just mentioned something about this about the limiting you know you only do 150 characters and Twitter 150 words I don't even remember But is it because that the guy because it was done by the guy who invented blogging did he come to the conclusion that you know? This is like reinventing blogging without all the boring BS that you have to you know either make a short comment or nothing Yeah, I think so because most blogs entries

34:32 Some of these bloggers is they just they can't stop writing. Yeah, well, but you know Twitter is you know, it's just as annoying Yeah from time to time. I'll try it, you know, like okay, I'm gonna it's just but it's just like chat. It's like IRC It's like a million things. I've tried and don't just not it's not for me I just don't care and I and I don't care to consume the media that way. I really don't I want it packaged I want it, you know fed to me. I'm not I'm tired of raw data that I have to you know assemble In my brain. Does that make any sense? Yeah, no, I feel the same way as you, but that's because we're getting old. Well, exactly. So there's a huge market of old people and that's where the money is, John. A daily show that's packaged for these fuckers. That's put together in an easy fucking way where you listen to a fucking stream of something. If you want to go get the podcast and have it downloaded, sure, well, make that all work. But it's got to be something, because you know, I was thinking, look, in radio,

35:30 Get a lot of feedback on this show and people you know about the length of it. We're 35 minutes now and my sister said we should have a drunky sorry drunking a drinking game and But the but the game is when you use the word fuck because it's like it's pretty funny. I'm sorry No, it's okay. I don't care. Yeah, I'm just saying though, but it make a great drinking game, okay? Well, so you can use this show as a drinking game is what you're saying Yeah, absolutely a good show is a drinking game. Yeah, I think we already have that I think I saw that somewhere anyway So like my sister said to me last night, she says, you know, I really like Noah Jen. It's a great show And I'm always literally quite honestly surprised like okay I said, but you know an hour is tough for me and I'm thinking to myself, you know, there are lots of shows You know all the shows you listen to John, you know like Rush Limbaugh and you know I used to listen to Howard Stern religiously and you know, and and I think it's because it's

36:27 It starts and it ends and you have the whole show that unlike radio where you people don't realize it But they really do switch stations every 15 minutes. I mean, that's just the way the radio audience works You hit commercials boom you're somewhere else, you know, and then maybe you stick around maybe you drop off but on average Oh now I'm getting it. Okay. I'm getting it. This is like the the Ike beats Tina to death thing took me a while So, yeah, no, I'm getting it. What you're suggesting is that it's a virtualized show that just is a never-ending stream. It's not an hour show or a 45-minute show. It's just a long... It's a show. ...it's a show in the beginning. Yeah. Since we did the first episode, streaming all the way to the last episode, and when people

37:09 You know, when people subscribe or go to listen to it, they kind of pick up at a point somewhere in the middle of it. Yeah, because it shouldn't be that important, you know. I think we can accomplish a lot more if eventually, the way it should work is eventually, you know, you'll get the story, you know. And it's a matter of, there's some technical things there, so there's some programming things that would have to be thought through. because so it have to be like a blog entry the seed have to do the snippets because this is that this the architecture that's the problem here you have a snippet so this last thing that we talked about me the first thing they listen to and then it would go backwards in time with snippets that in reverse uh... date order yeah uh...

37:49 Which would kind of not make a lot of sense because I'd be explaining the by and large thing now luckily Luckily with our pod show channels we can determine the order of said virtual show so you know so we can we can still do blog like snippets, but the output of our RSS if you will or however we make it show up for you we can determine the order and So we could actually experiment with this without getting fucking engineering involved is my point. Yeah, well good luck with that. Now here's the... what I see is the issue. I think this is a great idea, by the way. There's a complication here, which is, for example, we'll go back to the by and large rant. To make this work right, we'd have to actually document what we're talking about in some logical way that can then be indexed. There you have it. There you go. Sounds like work.

38:46 Well clearly that's a non-starter, so we have to think this through a little bit more. So how about the audience? Can't we get your guys Bubba involved? I don't know about Bubba, but he seems to be at his wits end already. But I'm thinking this... By the way, I'm not trying to poach your guys, John. I'm just saying. No, I don't know, Bubba would probably do it, but actually there's another guy that probably would do it for sure. But I don't want them doing it. I think because what you brought up was the fact that we like to package stuff because we're getting old and the kids, they like to do all this stuff themselves is to get a team of volunteer kids, you know, by our standards, kids, anyone under 48. And have them mash up shows. Exactly. I think there'd be more than a few volunteers for that. Interesting.

39:36 Well, I mean it certainly could be done. I mean so if we were able to participation it would be like participation broadcasting That's the term we'll call it and participation broadcasting is nobody uses will use it Because it's like you're you're actually doing the editing out there. You really like that name participation Participating this sounds like I don't like the name Don't like the name you don't like to name no We gotta have a good name man. Well find a good name whatever the case is I think you can get an audience to do that and then you have like a variety of sure you have like to just the by and large rants every time we mentioned by and large and have somebody edit it all together so it's a nice package and people can listen to it when they feel like it and you'd have

40:22 Infinite number of things that you could do with all this which is the with the raw feet of the whole thing interesting yeah Well, I'm just mulling it over and again You know my main objective is at all cost to avoid any type of work. Yeah, no absolutely just nothing But BS you know just sit here yacking away what we think with some experience. We got some knowledge we were over we have a knowledge base with the elders we got you know I We're elders and elders don't have to do work. We're not supposed to do work. That's right. Where are my fucking virgins man? It's just that we're just a couple of guys. It's we've been around the block. We've seen a lot of stuff We've making our analysis is pretty original and that's what people want to hear anyway and oh man, my my Ron Paul endorsement video was on the news in in Holland and

41:21 They did a news segment. You're kidding. No, yeah, they did. I'm trying to get a copy of it. I can't wait. But it was like on an Entertainment Tonight news. They kind of like... It's called Heart of Holland. It's Hart van Nederland, but Heart of Holland is the name of the show. And it kind of seamlessly moves over into like an Entertainment Tonight-like segment. Like, you know, Adam Curry is endorsing a Republican candidate. I have no idea what the nuances were, but... Okay, it'll be interesting hey those of you living in the UK if you didn't know already We got a couple of airline strikes coming up in fact. It's affecting my travel I'm leaving a day earlier to miss a couple of different strikes that are taking taking place the firefighters security and maintenance workers are planning to 24-hour walkouts and a 48-hour strike in January and

42:13 And this will be somewhere around the 17th Virgin Airlines by the way going on strike on the 14th the cabin staff Are being are paid less by about 35% than other comparable airlines, and they want more money very interesting to me as a huge investor in the fucking airline Have a drink. So, um... That's it? That's all the strikes? That's it? That's kind of wimpy. Well, no, I got more. I just wanted to make sure I got it in there. No, I did have two other things. One... Is there a website that people can go to that shows all the strikes? That would be a cool idea. Strike site? Hmm... I'm sure there is. I'll look at that. Yeah. By the way, just... not that we should really get into it, but David Letterman, I guess he cut a deal with the Writers Guild and he's starting up his show again?

44:13 I haven't gotten anything. Really? Oh, I've gotten a lot of... Hey, I know a million people have already sent this to you, but here's another one. So a lot of people sending this video of Ron Paul. Apparently somewhere he was asked about evolution. Oh yeah, this thing has been around. You know, I was gonna blog it and the whole thing just seems like it was an offhanded thing. It didn't seem that important. But yeah, I don't know. What's the big brouhaha about this? It's like, who fucking cares? I really don't care. Well, here, let me give you something that you should know. Thank you. My son, my son, who's at Evergreen College,

44:50 He says that it's his generation are the big Ron Paul supporters. Yeah, I would agree I hope so the Y generation between the ages of 18 and 27 maybe some whatever that demo is but anyway he says that he thinks Ron Paul's a big phony really and he thinks he's and he's got a lot of friends that feel the same way and And it's any and a dangerous crackpot. Hey whip that kid ears into shape Dvorak. What's up with that? Oh I don't know. That's what he says. My wife doesn't. My wife, who's a Republican who hates Bush, and she's like a lifelong Republican who hates Bush. Well, she didn't hate Bush when she was a kid, but she's a lifelong Republican who now hates Bush, to put it in the right English. Anyway, she hates Ron Paul too.

45:41 really uh... i mean it's a j hates a big word man i mean that that's more than just like doesn't like him wouldn't vote for me hate is pretty uh... pretty strong yeah i think that's probably an accurate uh... analysis you want to give me any insight into that you know just so i can figure it out myself i asked like that because he's crazy is a crack pot is dangerous is a nazi is this is that i mean there's no real specific thing that anyone says they just think he's a big phony The man has, speaking of Bush, the man loves Bush. He's delivered over 4,000 children. I mean, you just can't be an asshole when you're in that line of business. I've met lots of, uh, lots of obstetricians. Nice people, by and large. I'm just telling ya. Well, that's great. I mean, I like the guy. If I see him on the ballot, I'm voting for him. Alright. Right on. But I, you know, who the hell knows? That is interesting. Anyway, I agree with you. I was like, I don't care. I don't care. You know, I've heard him say,

46:41 You know, my belief in my religion is my burden. I'm like, yeah, right on! That sounds right to me. That's your fucking problem. Not mine. I don't want to hire the guy for that. I don't care. Well, the other thing is of course he's got the right attitude about other things. I'm still sticking with my original theory of two years ago, which is that it's going to be McCain on the tape. I have been paying attention to him because you've said that and this of course would only be because it's already a done deal inside, you know, insider knowledge. Everyone's already, it's all been squared away. They've fixed it however they fix it. It's going to be McCain. And I have to say, And I'm going to turn the lady Patricia loose on him. I want her opinion because she's pretty good. If you have a chance, listen to the last Daily Source code. Patricia did the show with me. And the way she talks about Bush, she's like, you know, I won't even tell you, but you just got to listen because she's very analytical. I think you're right. I think it may be he is so fucking overconfident.

47:39 He is so laid back. You can look at his eyes, man. Just look at his eyes. He's almost like he's saying, fuck man, I've got this. It's in the pocket. Yeah, no, there's that element. Now, getting back to my wife who doesn't like Ron Paul, she thinks, she's actually, if anyone's gone off the deep end, and I think there's a lot of people that think like her, she believes, and of course I used to blog this, and I think I'm going to bring it back to the blog, she thinks that they're going to do some sort of a scam thing is going to happen on the next 9-11 because supposedly Osama Bin Laden said to expect a big announcement. and uh... and their and bush is going to declare martial law and keep himself in the president office right now for this year and this

48:23 the i've heard this to and this is like give me a break this route this is a crazy this is like during the uh... nixon administration there used to be this conspiracy writer named mark lane and mark a lot of pain role is crazy books about how you know essentially nixon was responsible for the kennedy assassination anyway he said that nixon had this huge scheme of foot then he said it with a straight face a huge scheme of foot to to get himself to be pronounced as emperor And I've heard this one too. Yeah, a whole bunch of people bought into that. And I'm thinking, jeez, come on. Well, I'll tell you what it is, John. Here's my analysis of that. The past six months, maybe the past year, maybe this was 2007 was the year of my awakening. And of course, it literally has to do with age. My brain is starting to function a little differently. But I'm a media guy and I'm a

49:21 I know how television works, you know, I've been a part of the machine. It is one big... It's a flickering fucking box, okay? It's a light box and people are tuned into this thing. They're jacked in so deeply. I see how it affects very rational people. how they really believe things and this is carried over to the internet. I watch all of these loose change 9-11, every single one, I watch them but I can see all the pieces to it and I can take away and I can analyze that and still keep some sanity but

49:58 Other people my wife for sure faux shizzle. I'm sure your wife and your son. They don't have that capability They have not been able to switch that off So that's why they get sucked very deeply into these types of stories which online I must say are beautifully supported You know it's cross-linked cross-reference You know the networks beautifully when you're looking around for this stuff and people forget that it's just people writing shit Yeah So so what's your point? So my point is the reason that your wife and son hate Ron Paul the reason why they think that you know all of this, you know Third, you know third term Martial law stuff my son by the way. I don't want he's not in that camp Okay, but regardless it's because when they jack into any form of media device with their brains just look reading shit clicking on shit, you know it's what television has conditioned them to believe shit and

50:57 They can't think for themselves. They can't think straight. They're jacked. This is this is what this is my point They're jacked into the matrix. They can't think straight. Well, there's yeah Most people seem to be that they can't think straight and they do people do get sucked into this media stuff I mean, I've never met your wife. I've spoken to on the phone. I'm sure I'm gonna love her when I finally meet her But I think she's jacked in. She's still jacked in, man. She's not unplugged totally. So she can't really see that stuff. She comes up with weird stuff. My wife is exactly the same. Can't see it for the humor that it is. Yeah, exactly. We see it as humorous because it is funny. Even though the public can go mad and a riot can ensue and a mob can break out and you could be hung by a tree nearby

51:45 Thanks to this stuff. Well, let's do an experiment. Let's do a really easy experiment Okay, because you can see exactly how this works So the new and and this let's please let's this is gonna be our last topic because this will take 10 minutes the news comes out Baron Hilton Paris Hilton's granddaddy the guy, you know, he's got the the Hilton ranch, you know, this is where Fawcett flew off from and never came back. This guy is a fucking legend, you know, he's multi-billionaire and Somehow in the press and I haven't really done the homework yet. I'm hoping you'll do some of that John for our for our test There's this story that he is going. This is what I've heard that he has announced that 97% of the Hilton Empire is going to be donated to charity and What is what happened within within minutes of this story coming out? Is that?

52:40 The journalists have now calculated the so-called wealth of the barren Empire The math is all off as well by the way, but I know what they're trying to do So it's like you know 1.7 billion dollars or whatever they're saying okay? So that's 3% of the 1.7 billion dollars And they look at how many grandkids there are and then they look at Paris and they say well She's probably gonna want only wind up with like three to five million bucks So all of a sudden it's like now there's this and and we went to Holland and already the news was you know translated there But a derivative of the story so you know now Paris was you know was you know was? You know there was gonna be she was almost out of business. You know she's over She's done with Paris is now already making appearances saying you know I'm a brand you know and and you watch you watch this girl crash and burn and

53:33 Because of the society of the spectacle. It's totally based on shit. It means nothing Who knows if she was ever going to receive any money anyway? She's her business to this day has been running quite well as Paris Hilton the brand but watch this tarnish her and watch it go down in flames and that explains exactly how this what happens with the matrix you know our brains are fucked up and And you know, it's like, hey, and we can pull someone down too at the same time. It'll make us feel good. You watch. Okay, I will and let's find out what this guy's really worth You said you wanted me to look into something what yeah in this whole thing? Maybe though is this like a true story that that the viewers is somebody contrived it in the Daily Mail I mean well. I don't know John. That's what I'm saying. We need the reason I'll do some research too obviously, but you know but no one is doing that. This is the amazing thing No one's doing the research it went from better instead of you

54:31 2 billion dollars going to good in the fucking world! To do some good, you know, this is up there with Warren Buffett, with Bill Gates' foundation, this is a huge amount of money. It's all about Paris Hilton and how little she'll make, how little she'll have when this guy finally kicks the bucket. It makes me want to fucking throw up! Oh, have another drink. Well, actually they're drunk by now to be honest about it. Uh, huh. You gotta look into the story. It's a good story. This sounds like a theme for the show. To track down the BS behind this whole thing and what the truth is. So that way maybe we can save Paris. Do you think that's possible? If she'll blow me, absolutely. And my wife would be okay with it. My wife would be okay with it though. It would be no problemo.