John C Dvorak: Why are these women behind a chain? Adam curry, John C. Dvorak. Adam Curry: Are they January 18 2024. This Year Award Winning Combination media assassination episode 1646. This Unknown: is no agenda. Adam Curry: deconstructing Davos and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here at FEMA Region number six. In the morning, everybody. I'm Adam curry, from John C Dvorak: Northern Silicon Valley where I advise everyone to learn how to pickled turnips. I'm John C. Dvorak. 

Adam Curry: And this is important for prepping for the apocalypse. John C Dvorak: It's just tasty. Adam Curry: I believe turnip is from the mustard family. John C Dvorak: B s that would also apply to the rutabaga, which is the root as referred to as the Swede. And also what is the rutabaga is a turnip. Ah, it actually has a slightly 

different flavor, but it's a turnip. And just as good pickled, Adam Curry: and have you been eating a lot of turnips recently, this is John C Dvorak: I made some pickled turnips and I had one before the show pickled the turn of peace. And I decided that would be my theme for the day Adam Curry: for breakfast. Is that how you roll? Like, what should I have for breakfast? I think I'll still have some pickled turnip. I have a lot to look forward to my old age and it's gonna be great. John C Dvorak: It'd be good to be here. Good to go. 

Adam Curry: Ah, hey, my beat is back. It happens every once I don't think it's ever is the World Economic Forum is that every year in Davos every year so my beat is back on the beat. John C Dvorak: Are you referring to Rachel Maddow? Adam Curry: Yeah. It's been great this year. Is no has it? Oh, yeah. Because well, I can tell you, I don't want to spoil it. But the title of the the theme of this year is it's kind 

of apparent. The theme of Davos or as the Swiss say Davao. But no one says Davao anymore. No, it says Delvaux. It's Davos with Davos. Tons of world leaders bankers business people, flags and banners everywhere for Intel AMD celebrate ease. I don't I have not seen that many celebrities this year. Although the the typical article comes out as scored businesses are skyrocketing Hulu John C Dvorak: 2500 bucks a night. Oh, is that that's all? 

Well to where it says in the news. Well, Adam Curry: that seems cheap. What happened to inflation for the John C Dvorak: day, make it up in volume. Adam Curry: I'd like to deconstruct a little bit with some short clips just to get us all into the mood. The theme for this year is restoring trust world leaders, Unknown: corporate giants, giants, academics. They're all coming together in Davos, Switzerland today. It's the start of the 54th World Economic Forum. 

John C Dvorak: Up stopping you have to give us a little premise where this clip come from. Adam Curry: This is CB is just an intro clip from the CBC. CBC okay. I mean, I could have gotten it from anywhere just a minute intro just to get you into the vibe just to let you know what's happening Unknown: economically. And security is very tight at the Swiss ski resort as those international elites begin to arrive. Number of key politicians are going to be there US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Emmanuel Macron, the French president key Middle East leaders as well. But it's 

the economics of things front and center. The daunting global economic forecasts may be of interest to central bankers, Mark Carney, the former Bank of Canada had one of those who's scheduled to talk today, but to no real official Canadian representation in all of this. The biggest risk we face is that we lose hope. We lose trust, trust into our institutions and particularly trust in our 

capability to shape a better future. Yes, Adam Curry: trust we are losing the trust. The funny thing about that clip he was saying that to push that guy that Richard, the guy from CNN who got caught with meth in his pocket and a dildo in his boot. Remember that guy John C Dvorak: from CIA who they had him his dick tied to a steering wheel? Yeah, guy. Adam Curry: I don't remember if it was exactly that. Richard Quest Richard Quest. Yeah. So he's they're interviewing Klaus 

Schwab and Klaus Shrivers to us, we lose. I can't take that guy. Serious. See anymore? John C Dvorak: You could take him seriously before? Adam Curry: No, I guess not. All right now into a couple of the first one is a little longer. It's a minute of the rest of the relatively short just to get our blood pumping. What is the most important thing? What is this all about? We had a global risk report. This is what the theme is everyone's talking about it. Enter stage left Queen Ursula of the European Union's to close. Unknown: Let me go back to the number one concern of the global 

risk report. This information and misinformation. tackling this has been our focus, since the very beginning of my mandate, this Adam Curry: by mandate, this is the most important thing disinformation. Unknown: With our Digital Services Act. We defined the responsibilities of large internet platforms on the content. They promote and propagate, propagate a 

responsible to children and vulnerable groups targeted by hate speech hate speech, that also have a responsibility to our societies as a whole. Yes, because the boundary between online and offline, is getting thinner and thinner. And the values we cherish offline should also be protected online. But that's not all. And this is even more important in this new era of generative AI generative 

Adam Curry: AI now, the Unknown: world's economic risk report that puts artificial intelligence as one of the top potential risks for the next decade. Adam Curry: All right, so that's that artificial intelligence, one of the top potential risks of the next especially that generic generic motive generic, the generic narrative I love. I love the Alright, now a couple of quickies. This is John Evans from Alibaba, former Goldman Sachs we're developing 

Unknown: through technology and ability for consumers to measure their own carbon footprint. Adam Curry: Oh, yeah. That's where are they traveling? How are they traveling? Unknown: What are they eating? They aren't consuming on the platform. So individual carbon footprint tracker. They tuned we don't have it operational yet. But this is something that we're working on. Yes, Adam Curry: it'll be John C Dvorak: just, oh, they're working on our carbon footprint tracker, that is great. 

Adam Curry: It'll be great because you can use it for yourself first, but then I'm sure they're gonna use it against you what you eat. We're tracking your carbon footprint based on what you eat. So all of this has a very kind of Nazi vibe, you know, Uber, Uber mentioned of Davao. And this next clip I love to guys trying desperately to avoid saying New World Order. This is in fact this is the World Economic Forum 

President Barga Brenda, Klaus is the chairman I guess, the founder or co founder, and this is the President bordiga brand. And he's sitting there with Jake Sullivan, another fine specimen. Listen, listen to how they they attempt to avoid sounding like douchebags that order Unknown: seems to No, no, not be the order anymore. We are on the way to a new order. So we are between the orders. Do you agree with that? Or are there ways of? What are we able to keep on the 

positive side from the old order to bring into a new world order? And how can we avoid that New World Order becomes like a jungle growing back. And we rather have order based on international law. Adam Curry: You remember when New World Order was just a conspiracy theory, this is stupid. There's no new world order. That's all it's Alex Jones principles Unknown: that have brought us prosperity and freedom. For decades tomorrow, Jake, I guess, maybe this is the the old kind of teacher me coming 

out. I think of this alternative more about a transition of eras rather than a transition to borders. But the two are kind of cousins of one another. The reason I draw the distinction is because I don't think the international order built after 1945 is getting replaced wholesale with new order. It will obviously as it has evolved multiple times over the decades since 1945. But I do think in a in a more thing, sharp and distinctive way. We are moving into a new era. And that's what 

I talked about in my remarks that we are you know, the post cold war era has come to a close. We're at the start of something new. We have the cup pasady to shape what that looks like. And at the heart of it will be many of the core principles and core institutions of the existing order adapted for the challenges that we face today. Adam Curry: Imagine spending 1000s of dollars going to Davao 1000s of dollars in hotel and food expenses and you still have 

to stand in line and listen to these to Jumoke sit there and New World Order each other. It's just sad. And then John C Dvorak: yes, you do I still love to stand in line. Yeah. Now Adam Curry: we know the old war is peace. Yeah, the the old 1984 We asked Newspeak war is peace. Well again Stoltenberg of course the still to be replaced NATO war monger he was there and he 

laid it out perfectly Unknown: does that if we want that to happen, a peaceful just enter this all the way to get there are more or is more weapons to Ukraine. Credible we are in our military support, the more likely it is that the diplomats will succeed. So Adam Curry: to achieve peace, we need more war. Love it. So there was a lot of coffee klatch about social media and X. X is very 

bad x x. I guess the the elite messaging system is so broken, although I disagree. I think you and I both agree that it's never been a better time to spread disinformation. But these elites Oh, they're come they're complaining about it's no good Unknown: for a long time I was on Twitter. And now it's become such a toxic place that I've concluded it's not nice to spend time and as you said, it is exhausting. So you do have to wake up who is this? John C Dvorak: Is that Maria? Adam Curry: No, no, these are two undefined women in a coffee 

clutch about x. Okay, just it's just a coffee club. You know, they'll have all these little panels. Yes, a nude Nick. Nick, Nick Daniels. Yeah, though breakout sessions, it's Unknown: not worthwhile place to spend time. And as you said, it is exhausting. So you do have to pick and choose. And you have to think about where the places where you can get your message across. But I am trying to figure out I mean, I haven't given up on X but a scary name. And I don't know what the alternative is right now. So with the person of the social media, I must say that I have 

happened on Twitter, too. So eex? Because yeah, toxic environment. We talked about, I have no solution on that. But I think one they will come the moment of code of conduct. Conduct because journalists, journalists, if you spread crazy news and insults, and if you if a journalist is racist thinks he can he can be amended. Why? Why social media is that they have 

such big power. We can, because it's new, but I think we there will be a societal reflection on how information is proved there, of course on also, the policy of the owner, that is problematic, but the problem of society of the future, Adam Curry: that is the problem of the society of the future, it must change. They had a lot of sessions about changing effects, 

and social conduct. And we can't have this and this is no good of this not like journalism. And of course, Bill Gates was there. Although the bill, he doesn't do a lot of sessions. He seems to go on a lot of interview programs now, which is always outside. So he's on CNBC and Yahoo financial news. And this was I think, some Indian outfit. And surprise, surprise bill is selling more vaccines, we make Unknown: sure that for all these vaccines, that there's enough 

capacity, that there's competition, so the prices keep going down. And we will have new vaccines, we'll have a TB vaccine, malaria vaccine, HIV vaccine, and even the things like COVID vaccines, we need to make them have longer duration, more coverage. And we're gonna change instead of use the needle to use a little patch. So the pandemic really highlighted that we've been under invested in those innovations. And you know, 

our partners in India are part of how we're going to get these breakthrough products done. Adam Curry: So what I hear in this clip is the long rumored vaccine patch, which has little needles and and gives you the vaccine to a little band aid. And I also heard that he's going to test it on Indians, John C Dvorak: but they want to get The Indian population so surpassed China so they gotta Adam Curry: gotta give him the patch. John C Dvorak: You gotta push it down. Get it back to normal. Get 

that good under a billion he kill off. Hit Adam Curry: that patch out there peewee And India is going to help us yeah going to help us do this. Thanks. Alright India to stay standby. Then of course we have to talk about genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide, genocide. Do you know how you commit genocide, you commit genocide by fishing and farming, ecocide Unknown: as a word is becoming more, it's becoming better known around the world. And the concept is generally mass damage and destruction of nature. But Legally speaking, what our 

organization and other collaborators aim to do, is to have this recognized legally as a serious crime. Because one of the issues that sort of pervades all of this discussion is that we have a kind of cultural, very ingrained habit of not taking damage to nature as seriously as we take damage to people and property. And that's, I mean, if you're campaigning for human rights, at least, you know, mass murder, torture, all of these things are serious crimes, but there's no equivalent in the environmental space. And so And unlike an international crime, 

like genocide that didn't involve a specific intent, with ecocide, what we see is actually what people are trying to do, what businesses are trying to do is make money is is farm is fish is do all of these things that are producing energy and so on, as well. But what's it what's missing is the awareness and the conscience around the side effects around the collateral damage that happens with that ecocide? Adam Curry: ecocide, you're killing fish. And in your 

farming is killing, nature ecocide? We need international rules against ecocide. John C Dvorak: Of course. Rather, Adam Curry: we're almost there. Tadros course Tadros is there. John C Dvorak: Everybody's buddy, Adam Curry: everybody's buddy from the World Health Organization. And he just couldn't help himself how to talk about this is x. This is x this is x. So Unknown: this is x is a placeholder for unknown. This is 

I just wanted to start by clarifying that because there is already a lot a lot of attention, if I may, although COVID came immediately that we were preparing for COVID. Like, this is diseases, you may even call COVID as the first disease exists. And it may happen again, Adam Curry: yes, it may John C Dvorak: happen again, every 100 years, but somehow 

it's going to cycle is going to be sped up. How's that work is? Adam Curry: Well, Elon Musk is disease X. But he's just not saying anyway, what is really going on here this, everybody in Davos is afraid, and they're afraid of one thing. And this is really what all the discussions about. It's what it all comes down to. And we're just going to come full circle, bring it back to Queen, Ursula, this is what they're really afraid of business, Unknown: have the innovation, the technology, the talents, to 

deliver the solutions, we need to fight threats, like climate change, or industrial scale disinformation. And this is more important than ever, as we start 2020 for the biggest electoral year, in history, democracies across the world will have to the pulse, and half of the global population will be affected. This includes over 450 million people in the European Union, a union of 27 democracies, where all of us 

have the right mind to be ourselves, even if we are different from the majority. This Adam Curry: is what they're worried about. They're worried about the rise of the people, although they classify that as far right. John C Dvorak: Far Right. And they also like to use the word populism as though as a bad thing. Yes. That's Adam Curry: what they're worried about. They're seeing it everywhere in every country in the world because of them. Yes, exactly. So they have brought it on themselves to figure out how 

to disinfo better, they have to figure out how to use generic native AI to disinfo better figure out how to dis info about climate change. That's what every single session is about. They are deathly afraid of the people rising up and doing this one thing called voting. So of course, you know, they're probably swapping out secrets. Hey, if you stuffed the ballot box, you couldn't win is great. Now there was one interview that 

was just mind boggling at Dubbo. on CNBC, JP Morgan. Chairman CEO, Jamie Dimon always goes on the morning show always spouts off. And he confirmed and Jamie diamond is a Trump hater. He's been a Trump hater. He hates everything about Trump. He's just a hater. But the hater butters gotta hate and I would say he's, you know, he's he's Jeffrey Epstein's banker. proven 

fact. Yeah, I mean, he didn't they didn't have a trial, because he paid everybody off. Was it 15 billion or something? paid it all off. Yeah, that's how you do it. But he now messages what we were theorizing about, that the whole plan is here to have Trump win this election, for Trump to take all the collapse, because there will be another financial and if there isn't one already underway, they'll make one 

because it's great, because then you know, we have easy to do. When you have a crisis, you can print more money, do all the things you need to do. We need a financial reset, we need to blame it all on Trump and Republicans. So that in four years, everybody will be saying, please give us Joe back anything, but this isn't horrible. Our lives are not worthy. And he did it in the following manner. Unknown: I think it's a mistake to assume that everything's hunky dory. And you know, and when stock markets rough, it's kind of like this little drug we all feel like, it's just great, 

you know, but remember, we've had so much fiscal monetary stimulation. So I'm a little more on the cautious side. Adam Curry: I love how he laughs about that. It's like, we got so much money was great. Unknown: But remember, we've had so much fiscal monetary stimulation. So I'm a little more on the cautious side, that we are facing a lot of things in 2024 or 25. And you mentioned Ukraine, the terrorist activity Israel, the Red Sea, quantitative tightening, which I still question if we understand exactly how that works. I don't think we do have QE actually 

work, what the effect of negative zero rates was folding. And obviously, the politics, and then the Ukrainian wars affecting oil, gas, food migration. So you have all these very powerful forces that are going to be affecting us in 24, and 25. So if I was the government, I would be preparing for I'm going to do about that, assuming things aren't good. And I just also want to point out, I wish the Democrats would think a little more carefully when they talk about Magga. You know, and if you travel this country, then the cruise is unbelievable. We 

took a bus trip this year, and Leslie picker was on Spokane and Boise and volcanoes growing, they're hungry to grow. They're innovating. It's, it's everywhere. It's not just Silicon Valley. So we've got this great hand. But when people say Magga, they're actually looking at people voting for Trump, and they think they're voting and they're basically scapegoating them, that you are like him. And I don't think they're voting for Trump because family values. If you just take a step back, be honest. He's kind of right about NATO. Right. But immigration, kinda, he grew the economy quite well, trade. 

Tax Reform worked. He was right about some of China. I don't I don't like what he did. I said China made me I don't like how he said things Mexico, I don't like, but he wasn't wrong about these critical issues. And that's why they voted for him. And I think people should be a little more respectful of our fellow citizens. And when you guys have people up here, you should always ask the why not like it's a binary thing. You're supporting Trump, you're not support Trump. Why use it's John C Dvorak: hard to hate 75 million of your fellow Americans. It's, I agree done. Unknown: And you know, the Democrats have done a pretty 

good job with the deplorables plugging on their Bibles and their beer and their guns. I mean, really, like, can we just stop that stuff and actually grow up and other people respect and listen to a little bit? I do think the economy will affect I think this this negative talk about Magga is going to hurt Biden's electoral campaign. Adam Curry: Get let Trump have it all. Let him have it. Stop it. Let Maga win. Give it to them. It'll be great because it's not going to be good. What's happening? That's what I 

heard. John C Dvorak: And that's an interesting interpretation. I think you could have heard that. Well, Adam Curry: I feel that and I have a short NPR clip here. I feel that it is the word is out. The message is in is like the Iowa caucus. 1% of the vote was in, in the media who always determines our elections, called it for Trump. This This was surprising to me. The New York Times called it for Trump within one minute. NPR was surprised too. So 

Unknown: what's it all mean? For that we turn to NPR Senior Political Editor and correspondent Dominika Montana Oh, hey there, Dominica. Hey, Mary Louise Hay, depress made a swift call made quite an early call last night and the call was that Trump had an insurmountable lead. What stood out to you about last night? Well, surprises can happen in politics, and we should prepare ourselves for those. But this result was not one of them. I mean, I was surprised, though, at how quickly the race was called. I mean, just half an hour after voting began at and other 

networks were able to do that because of the overwhelming lead that Trump had in the entrance polls that were taken throughout the state. And then that matched some key precincts. And that's all that was really needed for them to have that kind of confidence level. In the end, it was Trump with more than 50% of the vote exactly what polling had shown for months and months. Adam Curry: I thought it was very suspicious. Calling it for Trump with 1% of the vote that also skews people who still hadn't voted. Noses John C Dvorak: caucuses is no voting. Well, 

Adam Curry: okay, it's caucus and yes, I don't know. It's to me, it was very suspicious that all of a sudden they're like, oh, it's Trump. Didn't you think so? I John C Dvorak: didn't see it that way. Personally, it was obvious he was gonna do that. And he just wanted to get out of there and go home. damn cold to be out. By Adam Curry: the way, the there was this open letter to the Davos here, proud to pay more. Our message at Davos is simple. elected leaders must tax us the super rich, we'd be proud to pay 

more. So a whole bunch of rich douchebags sign this open letter. And I would just like to remind them if you go to Treasury direct.gov The Bureau of the Fiscal Service is happy to accept gifts donated to the United States government to reduce the debt held by the public. John C Dvorak: This is true, you are the it is your app. So save all joined in, I guess the whole center money and you think Adam Curry: it's just performative in 2022. A whopping 

$180,310.32 was donated voluntarily. This should be billions this year. John C Dvorak: You think these blowhards Adam Curry: proud to pay more? Yeah. Oh yes, please. We're proud to pay more to tackle extreme inequality, proud to pay more to help reduce the cost of living for working people. John C Dvorak: Are there any names on there that you can tell us? Yes, Adam Curry: We the undersigned the funniest one is Brian Cox, 

who plays a billionaire on television in billions are no secession secession as a whole bunch of people have been there's hundreds of people here. I presume they're all billionaires. I don't know maybe John C Dvorak: it was done in just that because I think you right, they should be donating their excess funds to Treasury Adam Curry: Todd Oppenheimer sounds like a rich dude. There's 

no Jamie Dimon on here. I'll tell you that. He's not he's not stupid. But yeah, I just want to remind everybody, you you can, you can definitely, you can definitely help us out. Just donate your money right now. I will. Thank you. John C Dvorak: So to change topics a bit, I want to do a mia culpa for myself. Oh, to say got two or three notes. Nasty notes. Adam Curry: Yeah. Can you get to read up? John C Dvorak: Now I don't need to read it Micah summarize. And the nasty notes evolved revolved around the Zoomer who quit her 

job? Or who got fired? Yes. From Cloudflare. Yes. And what's of importance? I'll just summarize. Well, I also gotten asked, you know, for some woman who just called me a douchebag, for even Adam Curry: I think she actually said, that's 30 minutes of my life, I'll never get back again. John C Dvorak: It was a nine minute clip. So I don't know how she does her calculation. She's lucky to have a job herself. Where so? One guy pointed out, one of our producers seemed 

extremely knowledgeable about sales. And he pointed out that this bullcrap, because all his say most of his sales close during that holiday period between Thanksgiving and New Year's. So she was full of shit that she couldn't close these deals during the most profitable time of the year. And I was thinking about when he said that you read that note. I said to myself, you know, that's funny. I did. I didn't recognize that fact. Because all of our income for this show pretty much shows 

up in that same period. Adam Curry: Yes. And so yeah, yeah, you're right. So that's the closing John C Dvorak: time of the year. So this woman had no legs to stand on and regarding this complaint, when that's when she should have closed, not the He's falling apart. And then he had a number of breakdowns and the way she didn't close and some of the details of her incompetence, and he went on about it. And it was very, I took that one to heart. That was a good note. And then somebody else pointed out, which I thought was off. Yeah, there's that because I had made such a fuss about this is the new new 

this is gonna happen a lot because we were going to record these calls. And then he reminded me because I know this, from my experience, that when you when you get fired, or get laid off, you get a bonus, usually of cash money, if you sign a nondisclosure. Yeah, as you walk out the door. Yeah. So in other words, you can you hate the company, not because they just fired, you're there, you're gone by, oh, here's five grand design this thing, you can take this check home, and but you 

have to shut up, you can start bitching and moaning about the company. So that precludes the idea that everyone is going to be doing this because in fact, especially in tech, everyone's is bought off. But NDAs they can't do it. In fact, she obviously refused to do that. And she just left in a huff so. So I was my interpretation of the entire scene, I consider to be completely erroneous, if that helps anyone. Adam Curry: I also received an interesting note from one of our knights. He says I've fired over 1000 people in my career, I was 

doing exactly what Clooney was doing in the moving in the movie, including living in Dallas and flying American Airlines. If they wanted to avoid paying more for unemployment insurance, and we're firing for cause they should have been better organized, he says, But what I've done the way I did it, we usually start by saying you being let go with no cause and will be eligible for unemployment. There's no point in telling someone why they are being let go unless you are doing for cause and will fight unemployment benefits. He says the single biggest layoff I've ever done, I fired five years ago, I fired 76 people on the 

same zoom call. Man that's cold. John C Dvorak: That's a good one. That's cold. Adam Curry: That was five years ago. One other point of note, because we questioned whether the stacked ranking was a part of Salesforce. And we also brought up SAP one of our producers who works for SAP says I know for a fact our software is not able to do stacked ranking, because we do ranking ourselves on a spreadsheet. I've never had to stack rank fire 

anyone but when we're talking about who's getting bonuses and salary increases, we do it every year, we have a spreadsheet sought out the team and update the software from the spreadsheet. So apparently you know that you know I would start I would I would start looking for a job but Salesforce if I were you SAP seems to be behind. Behind. And it was Bambi Bambi is the company that you call for to for HR to fire people. Oh, Bambi ba M glam li cute Bambi BAM delay. So 

John C Dvorak: now that's true. I think that straightens out. Adam Curry: We're incredibly sorry for the loss of life. So sorry. John C Dvorak: Really learned something? Adam Curry: Yeah, that we that your your stuff is no good. No good. And John C Dvorak: my clips suck, Adam Curry: you're hurting people. That, you know, I want to remind people because we've been doing our value for value segments at the end, which looking at the minute by minute, we can track some of that with podcasting 2.0 Not person but we 

can see. It's not really such a drop off other than there's a drop off. But I was surprised by this note from one of our producers as I first of all must express my opinion. And my appreciation and affection for the show have had many people in mouth include my wife and two daughters, aged 14 and 27. I've made anonymous donations and attended several nogen meetups, I must point out something that you may not have considered a concern to the donation section. It may be hard to believe most women don't want to hear about boob donations. My wife and 

daughters no longer listen to the show with me because of the awkwardness. And it goes on to say you just understand that they don't want to listen to locker room talk about objectifying body parts of women. And I had to pause there for a second and say they have no problem with clips about babies being beheaded and ripped out of wombs and all the other stuff that's going on in the world, but the word boob and and I would say Sir Kevin McLaughlin honors this part of the female anatomy that somehow is enough for them to say I can't listen 

to this show anymore. John C Dvorak: Well, I thought that was a net to be very specious. What my argument is juvenile in that regard. What my argument is no, the women's argument? Yes. I think that they are being silly. To put it mildly silly. Adam Curry: Oh, I in all the years that Kevin McLaughlin has been doing this this is the first complaint I've ever received. John C Dvorak: Well I'm sure there's other people that don't 

like it. I think that I think Adam Curry: that your daughters and your wife just hate the show and they John C Dvorak: know where what state are they in I like to know in that state I do not know I do. Or country Adam Curry: I think America but I think it's just they're sick and tired of listening to your podcasts and they use that as a as a as an excuse. John C Dvorak: I believe that to be correct. You can listen to this right here. People are looking for excuses not to 

donate and people are looking for excuses to donate. You have to give them excuses to donate it now. Everything becomes an excuse not to donate ended the show itself if you don't like the show. Yeah. Yeah, you can point a finger at the boob donation and which is which is playful. You don't enjoy playfulness. You're taking things a little too seriously. Is this show is not for you? No. Because really playful, playful 

show. In fact, I have Adam Curry: no agenda. It's a playful show. John C Dvorak: It is a playful, playful show. Adam Curry: I like that we're a playful show. John C Dvorak: So I listened to just got caught up in when a Trump speeches and I listened to most of it. I didn't get to hear the whole thing. But I do have Do I have a mini or do not have a visiting DC I have I have? Oh, here it is Trump. Yeah. So I got a couple of his his bits out new bits is fish stick they uses his 

new some of his new material that is used in his set Adam Curry: this back. That's a great set. Man. That was great set. So John C Dvorak: I just want to play these two because they one of them was is new, new standby. But the first one I just thought was kind of cute. A very short clip is just throws it in this Trump on visiting Washington DC. But there's not Unknown: going to be people show up. People come in from your state. They want to go see Washington. So they come in from New Hampshire, they walk down the road, they end up getting shot. 

Adam Curry: They get shot in the nation's capitol. John C Dvorak: You go to Washington, you get shot. Now, the funny thing is about that particular bit is that he knows it is it is you know, he knows he's doing jokes. And so he kind of blew that one up because they use the word shot and they pulled it back as fast as he could say he couldn't hear it at the very beginning. If you listen to the very beginning, he says he uses the word shot, go to Washington DC to get shot, 

and then he kind of chokes over it. So he knows what he's doing up there. Yeah. Oh, of course. He Adam Curry: knows what he's doing. Now. Here's John C Dvorak: the bit that he did. He's done this one all throughout Iowa. And he used to do it. He did it the first time he did. He got a big reaction from the MSNBC and others. So he's trying he wants people to die to vote for him. So Unknown: even if you think and I joked I said, if your husband sick as a dog, get him out of bed, darling Jack Jack. Yeah, 

yes, yes. I'm so sick. Don't. Jack, get your ass out of bed. You're voting for your star. It doesn't matter. As long as he gets that voted. He kicks the bucket after that. It's okay. He served his country. I'll write him a letter. Jack, thank you for your service. Jack. Thank you for writing the letter. Jack, thank you for your service. Adam Curry: He's deplorable. I can't believe is. He's the worst. This is what's interesting, because he does 

this type of stick. Let me see I have it here. And I'm sure you saw some of this. I've just a short couple of short ones. But the MSNBC folks just went off the rails about well, he's playing to the white Christians. Yeah, that's exactly what the white Christians want to hear. We want to hear about getting shot. That's exactly right. Joy read. Unknown: But you know, I feel like the important sort of data point data point, you know, Steve talks about it a lot. He's, he's gonna probably talk about a little more tonight is 

that these these are white Christians, that this is a state that is overrepresented, or over represented by white Christians that are going to participate in these caucuses, especially tonight. I today earlier today reached out to Robert Jones, Robin Jones, from Robert Religion Research Institute, knowing that we were going to talk about Iowa and this is a hyper evangelical white state. And he said the following to me Iowa is about 61% White Christian, the country as a whole is approximately 41%, white Christian. And if I were talking about evangelical white Christians, and he said the 

following, because I asked him, what do they get out of supporting Donald Trump because he keeps him Losing, he keeps delivering losses and losses, losses. And he said the following. They see themselves as the rightful inheritors of this country. And Trump has promised to give it back to them. All the things that we think about, about electability about, you know, what are people gaming out or none of that matters when you believe that God has given you this country that it is yours, and that everyone who is not a white 

conservative Christian is a is a fraudulent American is a less a less real American than you don't care about electability. Adam Curry: I gotta find a better church. We're not talking about that in our church. But I want to hear that God gave this country to us the white Christians. John C Dvorak: Wow, does she just dream this stuff out of thin air? Oh, no, this to me, this Adam Curry: was an ongoing topic. This is Yeah. Man, Supercuts John C Dvorak: of the of this claim that Trump get even 

there's another, I should have gotten these clips. There was a series of clips, all taken from MSNBC saying that even though he was broke pretty much every record for Iowa caucuses. Now Adam Curry: he lost. Oh, I didn't hear that. Well. Yeah, John C Dvorak: he lost because nobody showed there wasn't enough people to vote. It was really a losers. It's a surprise that the numbers were so low. What he did to 51% was it's amazing even got that much. Lost. He was a loser. Alex, 

people are in clinically insane over at MSNBC. Adam Curry: I don't even know I need to I'm sure the ratings are doing better. Because, you know, people need this. They they need to get their fix of Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's right, man. It's the Christians only the white Christians. By the way, the black Christians pretty radical in this country. John C Dvorak: If you're much more radical than white Chris. Yes, of course. Adam Curry: Let's listen to Alex Wagner, who was supposed to be more serious than a man. There was so many cool memes of joy 

read with that white hair do that. She's got the white legs. John C Dvorak: He's a Trump hair. Yes. A Trump. Adam Curry: earpiece. Oh, there was a lot of that. A lot of generic AI stuff. I loved it. Unknown: I Steve was pointing out the evangelical vote, which I've been fascinated by and recently, Adam Curry: what exactly is the evangelical vote Joe? Just so I understand, because they throw this term out there all the time. But is that a John C Dvorak: voting bloc is considered the evangelical vote. Yeah, that stems from mostly the south. And it's supposed to be 

it's like the black vote. It's enough to Adam Curry: prop up but what is an evangelical and John C Dvorak: evangelize evangelical? Helped me Okay, evangelical in my mind is a Christian fundamentalist that comes out of the Pentecostal and mostly the Pentecostal church. Okay. Adam Curry: Oh, all right. We don't have one of those here. I gotta find one weeks because there's gotta be there's no, I don't think there's a Pentecostal. We have a lot of 

churches I'd be I'd be stunned. Now. A lot of Lutheran churches around here, Lutheran. Themed reporters Unknown: have been talking about the way in which the Trump coalition the Maga coalition has ads coalition devoured the evangelical coalition, kind of a case study in that Michelle Goldberg talks about it. Tim Alberta's new book talks about it. David French has talked about this phenomenon. And if you look at those entry polls, you know, as Steve points out, 55% of white born again or evangelicals are going through Trump. That is a that is an exponential increase from 2016. 

Do you consider yourself part of the Magga movement? 78% going for Trump. That's not hugely surprising. But the overlap there I think is what I mean is what is so remarkable about this moment in American politics right? By van der Platz, right who is a kingmaker in Iowa politics an evangelical and very much a mouthpiece for the evangelical vote Adam Curry: or want to be an evangelical kingmaker. This is make you want to be in on this. This sounds like Unknown: fun Iowa endorses Don Ron DeSantis. It clearly does 

not matter. Evangelical America is behind Donald Troy in John C Dvorak: a minute hold on a second. Adam Curry: She listening to herself clearly. Now she's reading the prompter. She's got John C Dvorak: this guy who is the evangelical Pied Piper king maker. And he's all in for DeSantis and DeSantis. Just you know, you know pretty much bid bid the bid to dust. Yeah, in that election. So what was she talking about? At the event Joe 

did were there just a leaderless cult what she's saying Adam Curry: is you just feel an airtime maybe you want to hear more John C Dvorak: details filling Yeah, back it up a little bit Unknown: Santas. It clearly does not matter. evangelical America is behind Donald Trump. And that sort of gets to the roots of like what Trump ism is now. You know, we were told in 2016 that evangelicals made their beds with Trump because they wanted to have a Supreme Court that was modeled in an evangelical conservative model. Well, they got that but if evangelically 

Adam Curry: conservative model, is that a new Tesla, I need I need some of this Unknown: seems like their affiliation with both and take a look at this court they're John C Dvorak: talking about, except for Amy Comey buried or we're only one is the only one she's the only one the rest of them are Catholic or Jewish. But Amy Kony Barrett, as I have I have the Chevron deference clips. Yeah, I'm excited because that's coming up. I'm excited. She's like, you know, she's a pretty much of a long she's one of those people that over 

studies have been she's not falling in line with anything Unknown: that was modeled in an evangelical conservative model. Well, they got that but it seems like their affiliation with Trump and Maga is in runs deeper than that. And, you know, David French has articulated this point beautifully. It's, it's, it's the Trump is in some ways become religion for a certain set of Americans. Adam Curry: We're singing songs in church about him, Unknown: and especially for evangelicals, that it's not about the virtue anymore. It's about the vise that Trump 

expresses. And I think you see that playing out in Iowa where the evangelical vote is key. It is central to what is going to unfold tonight. And it is very much a group of people that that find that Trump is, in some ways the Second Coming. Trump Adam Curry: is the Trump upon the cross is Unknown: taking out ads, like the one that came out, I think a week ago called god named Trump, there is a distinctly religious undertone to his campaigning nationally. And and I think you 

see that playing out in Iowa, right? I mean, right. Your numbers do not lie, Rachel. And I find it really a spectacularly interesting thing, if not, downright curious. Now, Adam Curry: this is interesting, because I don't think this was an ad created for television. She just kind of said that, like, Oh, right. made this ad where God made Trump. Have you seen this? This video? God made Trump? No, I've never seen it. Okay, now, it is a takeoff. It's Paul Harvey. A bit. I don't 

know. I I was not around for the original. The play you start with? Well, it's a it's a takeoff on an orig. I don't know there was an original Paul Harvey, God made something, listen to it. And we can stop because you'll probably recognize the cadence and everything. And this is something that I think someone else made maybe, you know, the white Christians for Trump John C Dvorak: movement, some main guy, anybody so Adam Curry: generic AI is good. 

Unknown: And on June 14 1946, God looked down on his planned paradise and said, I need a caretaker. So God gave us Trump. God said, I need somebody willing to get up before dawn, Adam Curry: I think it originally was God made the farmer I think that what that's what the original was God made the farmer, fix this Unknown: country, work all day, fight the Marxist each suffer, 

then go to the Oval Office and stay past midnight and a meeting of the heads of state. So God made Trump I need somebody with arms strong enough to rustle the deep state and yet gentle enough to deliver his own grandchild. Somebody to ruffle the feathers, tame cantankerous World Economic Forum. Come home hungry. Have to wait until the First Lady is done with lunch with friends. Then tell the ladies to be sure and come back real soon. And mean it. So God gave us Trump? I need somebody who can shape an 

axe. But we okay. You John C Dvorak: got all right here it hit this. Yeah, if you go to Paul Harvey, God made you get there. God made a farmer. So I'll just Adam Curry: play a little bit. Yeah, this is Unknown: and on the eighth day. God looked down on his plan paradise and said I need a caretaker. So God made a farmer. Yeah, there it is. God made a farmer. John C Dvorak: Okay, so there's a mediocre copy of that. And now 

that I hear the voice is not even that great. No, Paul Harvey's he had a tremendous set of pipes. They put Paul Harvey Parra Javi what had been doing these little radio snippets forever and was the Christian nationalists Magga guy I don't know that he was any thing. I had to look it up but but I remember the moment he was definitely a conservative character. And I remember the moment where Hewitt at 60 minutes decided to put him on the show to add a little balance 

that lasted all of like two shows. Because the regulars on that show are a bunch of you know, lefties that has to CBS people. Yeah. And they just wouldn't have it. They did I think they they made his life miserable and poor Adam Curry: Paul. And here's the rest of the story. Paul Harvey, John C Dvorak: I'm sure he got a play a pay or play deal which netted him some sort of care. So Adam Curry: I think this is when it comes to Democrats. I can 

just say it now in America is the division has become so and these are political people. I mean, I'm not talking about people just vote left but the political people Washoe County, Washoe County, Nevada. I think it's Nevada, isn't it? Wash him. Yeah. Wash. Oh, that's Democrat country, right? I don't know. I think so. Don't they vote blue or they vote blue. That blue name John C Dvorak: is mixed area to get Nevada's mixed is pretty much down the middle. So Adam Curry: they had the county commission meeting and they 

opened up with the consecration. Thank you Unknown: for letting us here. My name is Jason I am an organizer and founder of Reno satanic. And I'm here to give the invocation today invoking again in nom de de no stress, say tennis looser, fatty X LLC, in the name of the eternal rebel against high radical authority in the spirit of your nature of the natural world, the freedoms of thought and expression on prejudice, intellectual inquiry, economics and social progress to bring 

influence and guiding actions of nobility and justice to the decisions made in this chamber today. To act with might in the undertaking of responsibility that may lay ahead of this body before us today. The New Age is dawning that these decisions will play a role in for our liberation for here and now is our day of joy. Here and now is our opportunity. May we seize this glorious day and its enchanting nights to celebrate the wonders of the natural world. As we are all part of its 

boundless mysteries, and the spirit of the unconquerable sun, the bringer of light and knowledge we say Shem ham for OS hail satan. John C Dvorak: All right. Okay, you win the show. We have tannic ritual in front of the Washoe County, whatever group this was planning commission or the mission. Yes. So this guy comes out and they let it they let him do it. Of course. What is wrong 

with these? Idiots? They're Adam Curry: Satanists. Not today. Satan, we mock you. We mock you. Oh, my goodness. What they should do? Hey, where's my generic AI doing? And Satan created Biden. That will be good. Who that? John C Dvorak: I'm just saying that'd be a topper. Adam Curry: That'd be a great topper. Yeah. All of this. All of this, of course was really to detract from what I thought was an outstanding rant from Vivek. Kind of say it right, because 

you know, he's going for that VP slot. Vivek. I think a lot of people would like Vivek, SVP, I doubt he's going to be vice president. No, no way. But this was Trump behind him, smirking and laughing and smiling was a great brand. And then John C Dvorak: they tried to hug and they couldn't do it. By his brother, by the way, just before we get to that clip, I wondered because I played those twos Trump clips about, he's also doing it unfortunate. There's no real clip for it. But he's also now part of his act. He does Biden up on the stage can't 

can't get off the stage, shaking hands with nobody and then bumbling around and walking into a set is great. He does a whole shtick on Biden trying to get off this off this stage. Here we go. We believe Unknown: ideals still exist. This man is going to be your next president. revive them. E pluribus unum from many one. And you know how we're doing it. We're doing it by seeking the truth at every step of the way. There are two genders in this 

country. That is the truth. Fossil fuels are a requirement for human prosperity drill, frack, burn coal embrace nuclear energy. reverse racism is racism. And open border is not a border. Parents determined the education of their children. The nuclear family is the greatest form of governance known to mankind. Capitalism lifts us up from poverty. There are three 

branches of government In the United States not for and the US Constitution is the strongest and greatest guarantor of freedom in human history. That is the truth. We fight for the truth. Fantastic. Adam Curry: And more people are starting to do this this boldness we're seeing it everywhere. Now people are no longer afraid of speaking against the woke stuff. There's just, I mean, it's everywhere now. It's everywhere. So they 

all this satanic trans Maoists stuff is gonna fall apart it's not working dei corporations everywhere quietly changing their policy. This is not the way to go anymore. But it was that that no one wants to fly United anymore. You know, the CEO dresses up in drag and like now Tinos like I'm gonna fly she's flying to front and floor I'm not flying United States and my flying it is people are nuts. So interesting. Oh, yes. The bud 

light effect it that was that's definitely part of it. Definitely, and then I won't play a clip because it's just full of expletives. But the EU is a UFC fighter who got asked by some Canadian woke journalist. Now how do you feel about the trans community and you know in Bud Light sponsoring the UFC but and he just went off? Just went off is crazy. You know what, you know, in America. This is for all you foreigners listening you foreigners that a lot of you listen. In America, 

we still it was gone for a long time. And for a while there, it seemed like only the Russians had humor. But you know, the Russians would do funny stuff. This is before Ukraine. And they had humor and there was the humor that we used to have as Americans. We'd make fun of ourselves. We love a good joke. We love a double entendre. We this is why the boobs thing is very is you know, we love boobs is an American thing. I guess. Although I think other countries love boobs to Fort Wayne, 

Indiana. They have a they have a building and they had a poll amongst the citizens. What are we going to name this thing? And they want to name it after a famous Fort Wayne politician. I think Harry balls be ALS. And they held the poll and the results are in a former Unknown: Fort Wayne mayor is getting some national attention. 1000s of people voted online to name the new city county building in his honor, but that probably won't happen because of his name. NewsChannel 

fifteens Don Austin is here to explain, Well, how they're marked. The people voted and the top picks so far with more than 10,000 votes is the hairy balls Government Center, named after one of the city's longest serving mayors, but not everyone's on board with that name. Harry bales apparently was a great mayor. That's what I'm hearing if you read the comments actually people are very serious about what he did as mayor the family was you know, it's part of our history. I think it's part of the history we're proud of to pick the new name for the building people went over to feedback fort wayne.org They made suggestions and voted the 

overwhelming front runner was the hairy balls government senator Adam Curry: of course this is who we are we're simple people but we'd like a good joke we want we want John C Dvorak: the guy's name was hairy balls what he is supposed to do. Adam Curry: We want it to be called the hairy balls building everybody wants that. This is who we are. This is where we are John C Dvorak: joy you giggly glee? Adam Curry: Yes Glee, Glee. Harry bone admits missed all of 

the horrible things in the world. We got Satanists. Yeah. Satanism John C Dvorak: before meeting this thing is too much. Adam Curry: Give us some hairy balls to make us feel better please plays John C Dvorak: are you gonna want to feel bad live in Chicago play this frozen Tesla clip. Oh Adam Curry: my god, this this frozen Tesla clip was all I mean, there were at least 15 different versions of John C Dvorak: this bunch of dead robots out here. Unknown: Did Teslas pack the parking lot at this Tesla super 

charging station in Oak Brook have seen mirrored in other supercharging stations around the Chicago area. And it's it's crazy is this is a disaster series. with temperatures falling into the negative double digits. These charging ports have stopped charging, leaving many Tesla owners stranded here in long lines since Sunday. Nothing no juice is put on 0%. And this was like three hours this morning being out here after eight hours yesterday as you've been charging. No not at all. It's just isn't working. Adam Curry: And it's just frozen. And so I'm now going to 

tow it to the justice service center because that's my only option at this point. Oh man, I got better clips than that. Come on. Come I like to John C Dvorak: know why every black guy in Chicago lenses Tesla. How does that happen? Well, there Adam Curry: was one of these guys who was an Uber drivers like nope, not anymore. Another guys like the handles, you know how they recess in the Tesla? They weren't they were frozen shots. They weren't Pauling. John C Dvorak: Yeah, that book comes out I couldn't I couldn't Adam Curry: open my my car with the app. Unknown: Electric vehicles may save drivers on the cost of 

filling up. But this winter growing frustrations for drivers stuck waiting at charging stations, but you still have to wait for those other cars to get through charger didn't even get the charge. Uber driver Marcus Campbell says he spent hours this week charging his car after freezing temperatures swept across Chicago, making no money and time was money. The problem the cars run on lithium batteries which can take longer to charge and cold temperatures, you may even need to charge more often. According to AAA, the average electric 

vehicles driving range decreases by 41%. When the temperature outside dips to 20 degrees and when the cars heater or AC is on for each electric vehicle model the EPA list of mileage but experts say that number can be misleading. We've seen that that is wrong on day one, and doesn't account for weather variance. So EVs get less range in the extreme cold and they get a little bit less range in the extreme heat. 

Experts say especially when it's cold drivers should keep their vehicles charged overnight. Ideally in a garage and below 20%. If the battery drops to zero, the car will have to be towed and possibly repaired. In Chicago, some Tow Truck businesses getting a boost. Berg says he's been busy in the cold, we have seen an increase in calls from a lot of different owners that have electric vehicles. While some learn to weather the inconvenience for others, that 

challenges are too much. I'll be getting the gas vehicle ASAP. It's not for you. It's not for me. Adam Curry: I love this little guy. No response from Tesla. We have a sophomore year since the yesterday afternoon, no response from Tesla. So here Tesla Of course, if you read the User Guide, which is right near the EULA, and the terms of service if you're if you're if these people went to a super charging station because of course you know hey, you can charge it in 

40 minutes it's almost as fast as filling up with gas. John C Dvorak: Yeah, if you're filling up the gas at the lowest rate possible. The supercharger Adam Curry: will not work if your battery is under 30% Because of the supercharge the battery has to be pre conditioned and warmed up so people that just don't know what they're doing they don't you have to have NCOP was oh you have to precondition your battery and set your GPS and you 

know like the Watergate secretary, you know click on the left button and then this is not a good idea. These cars are no good then I'm not picking on Tesla. I mean all of it it all of us same it's fun the whole idea is falling apart. This is very bad. I John C Dvorak: want to remind I wish I had the clip remind you of you doing annoying and watch ruining over the bought you borrowed the bankers? Adam Curry: No, I was horrible. What are you talking about? I owe you I'm gonna get the clip right now because I'll tell you 

what happened. I had to I couldn't charge it at the hotel. So I had to drive to the university. a&m to park in the garage and take an Uber back to the hotel I'm quite sure I was not booing and eyeing about how cooler oh you John C Dvorak: know how to use automatic control you drive down the freeway and be most Cambridge users out there get me these clips Adam Curry: being a.io Everybody John will be very live red cheeks. I said is horrible to have read almost drove me off 

the road. Oh mass. Yes. Wow. Wow. Yes, I remember. I do to know. You remember? You don't don't get me started. Do not bring it.io You will see you're in dimension d right now the comeback? What did you do with John? I said what was definitely cool was that was how in traffic Howard will automatically drive. But all the downsides and the white knuckle of coming back the 

next day worrying that we didn't have enough juice. I remember it very well. Yes, John C Dvorak: I take the time you turned on the machine was when the bankers sold the car saying you couldn't take it anymore. Oh man. Adam Curry: Oh, man. All right. Not sorry. I have worked to do it and producers don't even bother. John C Dvorak: I'll find users don't listen to him. Don't Adam Curry: listen, because he's right, as usual. No, John C Dvorak: not Oh, Adam Curry: man, I can't believe that you're turning on me like 

this. Yeah, this is not true. John C Dvorak: I'm just reminding you. I'm not turning. It's not true. The I Chevron deference talking about gasoline. Adam Curry: The Chevron deference, does this explain what Chevron deference is? John C Dvorak: Yes. In fact, this is a very complete report, except for the fact that comes from PBS. And it's slanted very subtly, though, it's not slanted in a strong manner. But it's slanted enough that I could tell. And I think I have one clip that's really short, which points out part of the problem 

and this is going up when you set it up, or I'm going to set it out by this case is fine. This is about it by boat, a crew of herring, herring fishermen that took this case to the Supreme Court because they weren't going to put up with require $700 Adam Curry: a day for $700 a day to have some hire some douchebag to be on the show they John C Dvorak: had they had to pay for it. In other words, they're paying for their own inspect. It's like, it's like, okay, I can the cops come by my house once in a while. Yeah, you 

have to pay well, Adam Curry: but break it down. The Chevron deference is the idea that Congress writes very broad and, and laws that can be interpreted and they say, You know what, the agencies can interpret it, the agencies can do whatever they want. And when I say John C Dvorak: the eight Well, no, it was it goes beyond that the agencies can make their own rule rules. Yes. Rules. Correct. And that's what we're dealing with, which is the administrative state. I'd work for the Ministry of State myself. I have a lot of experience with this. You're a part of this machine. I was Yeah. And curious. I was a 

Democrat during that era, not this. Adam Curry: Did you ever change? News? John C Dvorak: Let's go with this is a good breakdown. This is a five six parter. It's very short, though. Let's go with Chevron deference. The Supreme Unknown: Court today heard arguments about whether a group of Atlanta Atlantic herring fishermen should be required to pay for a costly monitoring system on their boats, or whether that requirement is governmental overreach. But as William Brangham reports, the outcome of this case could have enormous impacts far beyond the fishing industry. At issue here 

is what's called the Chevron deference. It's named after the oil and gas company whose case created this legal precedent. It says if there is a dispute over some ambiguous regulation, the deference should go to the government agency whose experts wrote the rule. That's what those fishermen are arguing against. And they're being supported by industry groups who also want to curtail regulation. If Chevron is knocked down, it could up end rules governing nearly every slice of American 

society, health care, environmental and workplace protections, public education, banking, and more that Adam Curry: the end the IRS, John C Dvorak: all of it, every agency, lot of agencies, but the way they're presenting it as though it's the end of the world. And there's also a very subtle subtext here that doesn't allow people to understand where the Chevron deference came from, which was the which was during the Reagan administration, they 

lowered the Reagan wanted less and less regulation. So they lowered they told the Vedas to push back, no, you're not going to do that you're going to do this, you're going to lower the rate you're going to make the regulations more lacks are going to make things easier. This lawsuits came from environmental groups saying Oh, no, you can't do that. Because you know, this is not good. And so they involve Chevron. Because Chevron, I don't know what part of Chevron was involved. But whatever the case was, this was about the relaxing of rules, not the 

increase or craziness that's going on now. Adam Curry: It wasn't irony. Good intent. Yeah. Iron. irony, irony John C Dvorak: is, is just is that the max with this, and does never discuss. Let's go with part two. To Unknown: understand what's at stake. We're joined again by NPR is Carrie Johnson, who was at the court for today's arguments. Carrie, thank you so much for being back again. Sticking with this fishermen's case, can you explain what the arguments were in their case and how Chevron was applied there. 

These plaintiffs are a small group of fishermen based in the northeastern United States. And a few years ago, the Fisheries Service put forward a regulation, basically requiring them to have professional observers or monitors on their boats, sometimes on an overnight basis to make sure they were following the rules, and decreed that they should have to pay for the monitors to the tune of about $700 a day, which they say is just too much money, they say was never clear that Congress intended for them to have to pay and so they took This case all 

the way to the Supreme Court arguing that the federal agency here had overreached against that Adam Curry: good for those genocide. Are those eco ciders? Good for them? John C Dvorak: Yes, this case has been bubbling in the background for a while. And I believe that this is the reason that for one thing, if you recall, six months to a year ago, they started going after Clarence Thomas. Yeah, Adam Curry: we I think we even discussed it in the context of it. Yeah. John C Dvorak: And so what I uncovered is the fact that this 

all began when Clarence Thomas decided he was all in on Chevron deference. He, Adam Curry: ah, no. flipper, he's a flip flopper. John C Dvorak: And he decided, well, maybe it is not such a great thing, this Chevron deference precedent. So once he once he and that changed, he's Magga. Adam Curry: He's a white Christian. So John C Dvorak: Christian tonight. So once he it almost is upon us a perfect coincidence that when he made it clear that 

he might be going the other way, and Chevron deference, that's when they start going. Yes. Your administrative state at its worst, it is nasty. It doesn't like anybody interfering into what it's doing. It likes to run the show. Part three, Unknown: I see. So in that case, Chevron, the ruling was that the government agency wrote this rule, yes, it might be onerous on the fishermen. But that's the rule. And the agency gets to determine that. That's right. I in the in this case, the lower courts determined that 

it was either a reasonable or a clear mandate under the law that these fishermen would have to pay. They firmly resisted that, and took this case all the way up to the Supreme Court where it ended up today. So you can see why business interests don't like this idea of some agency basically winning every toss up ball over a fight over regulation. What is their broader argument about this deference principle, ultimately, they say that this is a matter of the executive 

branch of the government on elected federal bureaucrats taking power that should belong to the United States Congress, and to some extent to federal judges, who all along have interpreted the law and who can interpret these laws and these regulations just fine on their own, without any input from federal agencies. And they say that for many years now, almost 40 of them since this case was decided back in 1984. It's really up ended the balance of power between the branches. And it's put a lot of onus on small businesses like these fishermen 

and others, to defend themselves against federal agencies when they have a hard time winning their you know, this case, was supported not just by the small fishing industries, but a number of very large conservative legal foundations, groups like The Gun Owners of America, a trade group for e cigarette manufacturers and others, just showing how sweeping this case could be if the Supreme Court ultimately decides to overrule that precedent from all those years ago. Adam Curry: Okay, I have a question. So when you were in 

the government, and a Democrat Did you feel like you were powerful as as a member of the deep state that you had this power to, to mess around with a little guy and to boss him around and tell him what to do because you're with the EPA? There were definite John C Dvorak: Well, we were that good regional pollution operator that's Adam Curry: even better. So you were the little regional guy but still had the Chevron deference 

John C Dvorak: regional guys are always considered the more powerful the groups right. I was not it I was kind of amenable I worked in the refinery business and I knew how these things work. There were guys that work in the agency. Absolutely. Were a little Hitler's the SA and they would make people's life miserable. Because they could tell us again, Adam Curry: just quickly, just because it's so nice. Tell us the story about Dianne Feinstein 

John C Dvorak: Come on. Dianne Feinstein was a member of the of the one of the boards that that oversaw the air pollution distributel Hitler Hitler arena. So she was and she was a dingbat and everybody knew it and right to the end and so she so we had the situation in the file room, there was a Adam Curry: I already love I forgot the file room part. Yeah. John C Dvorak: So this is file room which is also connected to 

the dispatchers and the dispatchers. Were in this like kind of a closed group so they like to keep the door open because it was like a pain In the essays they felt like they were like you know a claustrophobic and the door was also led to the fire file room and when you went to get some files for some case or other you're supposed to sign out on some little sheet and the dispatchers had really nothing to do with it. But they were overseas supposed to sign these sheets and take the files when people started just grabbing 

files and not taking the sheets and so they had to go okay, we're gonna have to do something about that. So they showed the open door that the dispatchers definitely wanted to have because it was claustrophobic they they put a chain across the open door to keep people from going in and out of the file room and just grabbing files so they have to now go through a process to Adam Curry: get the file right this wasn't Feinstein this was boxer wasn't a boxer no no John C Dvorak: this fine. Fine boxers. Boxers got another story. Oh, boxers The one is always trying to have a 

different story. Yeah, the SEC story. Yeah, that one. So Feinstein so that so now we have the situation you got the dispatchers in there, and you have the chain across the door. And so Feinstein walks past without even doing any research or giving she looks at the desk sees the two women in there. They're the dispatchers that sees the chain, and she makes a big fuss. Why are these women in behind a chain? This is terrible. This is an insult to womanhood. And so she makes a 

big fuss and so they have to take the chain down but now the problem with the fall room is is still at issue so they have to close the doors and now they're locked in this claustrophobic area ruining their lives basically. Thanks for nothing Dianne Feinstein. So that's the kind of person she is she's just jumped to conclusions. Adam Curry: Boxer was the one who wanted to get in your boxer shorts. John C Dvorak: Boxer was notorious. Everybody who was an inspector was in the field and had cars she would always find 

some one of the guys happen to be working Marin County or something and try to I was told, try to not only get them to drive her home, she didn't play them in. Adam Curry: Didn't she want you to drive around one day panky? Why didn't she want you to drive her home one day? John C Dvorak: No, I've never I never got off. I never had that area. I couldn't have driven her home. Oh, okay. I never worked in Marin County. Wow, this Adam Curry: was good. Thanks. Thanks for the Feinstein reminder. So so so basically, though, John C Dvorak: yes, the SEC was the beginning of the longer than 

it should and that's good. The answer is Adam Curry: especially at the at the local level with the smaller regional offices. There's a lot of power power gnomes. John C Dvorak: Now, yeah, absolutely. Like Adam Curry: Louis from taxi, you know, John C Dvorak: is exactly true. And there's no way you have to assume that let's go to clip for this very short clip because I gotta make a comment on it. Unknown: Let's talk a little bit about that. Because the opponents of of overturning Chevron many environmental groups, consumer protection groups and others like that. 

Okay. John C Dvorak: Consumer Protection you man, I forgot what I was going to say. So I'm gonna do it the environmental groups because there's the that's where I should have brought in the irony part of the story. They're the ones who caused this to happen. Chevron deference, as you know, as was caused against the environmental groups Hey, what the deregulation that take place, but now they're all in on it. So Adam Curry: indirectly, to think Bobby, the OP was actually a problem within Chevron deference because he was one of these 

environmental groups. John C Dvorak: I have my you know, after seeing David people should go read this article about Cheryl Hines and the latest copy of The Hollywood Reporter Hollywood reporter.com Go to thr.com and read it. It really brings out a lot of the op. I mean, when she says well, you know, she makes us you just comment you have to assume something's up when she says that do other Republicans are running our rapist. Adam Curry: She says that in the interview. Yeah, 

John C Dvorak: more or less it is worded it's couched funny, but that's basically what she said. And on trial for rapes, I think is the way she put it. But this is like okay, this is Bobby The Op I'm now convinced after reading that article in The Hollywood Reporter that probably the OP is designed to run Kennedy as an independent to take votes away from Trump as a latch last ditch effort by the Democrats to get Biden back in that's the only thing I can have to conclude after reading that 

article. So I'm very skeptical of him okay. All right, onward with the clip five Unknown: of overturning Chevron many environmental groups, consumer protection groups and others like that. argue that this would would in essence, sow chaos. What is their argument? Why do they say Chevron should Stay, they basically argued that there's a hidden agenda in this case beyond the the hearing fishermen who are the plaintiffs here, and that it's they want to paralyze or cripple the bureaucracy so that 

federal agencies cannot make rules on major problems and American life, things from air pollution and maybe eventually even artificial intelligence as Justice Elena Kagan raised today, why to health care, and say if you return these decisions to the hands of unelected federal judges, there are something like 800 of them around the country. It risks people's Medicare and Medicaid programs, very complex programs that mean a lot to people's lives being decided one way in 

one state and one way in in another way in another state, and that could really sow chaos for for people's lives, just in their personal pocketbooks, as well as for environmental regulations and workplace protections. You just can't have a system where the regs mean something in one state and mean something else halfway around the country. John C Dvorak: Okay, so that's that's the one thing they never do is stop and say, Wait a minute. Yeah, Chevron deference showed up in 1984. How did we even get by as a people without 

What 1984 Adam Curry: What are we doing it did nothing work? Did John C Dvorak: it work and it couldn't possibly work? So this is bull crap. They're just trying to do the same. Oh, scary. Oh, scare everybody to dead easy BBB. So anyway, so there's the last time this brings in Comey Barrett? Barrett. Unknown: I know that in his confirmation hearings, now justice Gorsuch expressed a great deal of skepticism. And I know some other conservative justices similarly have shown 

some antipathy to regulation. From your reading of the arguments today. What is your sense? Do you think the majority the conservative majority is going to strike it down? We did hear deep skepticism from Justice Neil Neil Gorsuch today, he raised a lot of very, very tough questions for the Solicitor General. And Justice Brett Kavanaugh was also pretty skeptical. Justice Samuel Alito, along the same lines, and Clarence Thomas asked a few questions too, but those William are four votes, and I didn't hear a clear fifth vote for 

getting rid of this precedent altogether. In fact, one of the Trump appointees justice Amy Coney Barrett, raised the specter of getting rid of this precedent might mean, inviting floodgates of litigation from 1000s of litigants who've had their cases decided based on this principle over many years, and that really swamping the courts and potentially the Justice Department, too. So it's not clear to me there are five votes to overturn this precedent all together. It may be that the court compromises it chips away further at the precedent, 

though. Adam Curry: Well, that aligns very closely with what Rob the constitutional lawyer sent me because I asked him, of course, and he said, Of course, I'm going to I'm going to pay attention to this for you guys. I'll read and he also gave me something from law 360. That is highlighted some stuff. Here's what he said. As his boots on the ground. I went back and looked at some of the commentary on the two Chevron deference cases argued before SCOTUS yesterday, the Loper bright enterprise versus Raimundo and relentless Inc versus Department 

of Commerce. As you know, the question is yours just how much deference the court should give to regulatory agencies interpretations of the legislation? They're in charge of enforcing since 1984? The answer has been a lot. As long as the agency's interpretation is permissible courts will adopt it as law. This creates a tension. The Constitution charges Congress with making laws and the judiciary with interpreting them. It does not charge the executive branch with either function. Still, the agencies who presumably have the expertise usually need to fill in lots of details to do their 

jobs. But how deeply should the courts bow to their interpretations? He said, depending on who you talk to the word is that most of the justices seem reluctantly amenable to diluting Chevron deference but how much many including Justice Barrett, worried that SCOTUS decision might gut the existing agency interpretations, unleashing a flood of litigation over now reopened questions others say this concern is overblown, since one most of the agency interpretations are probably right and two, if not they need 

to be challenged. And he says he attached a highlighted law 360 With five takeaways from Paul Clemente and I put that in the show notes. In a nutshell Clemente says the Congressman can use friends in the executive branch to get things done, instead of slogging through the presentment compromise in by camera realism hurdles that make statutes comparatively hard to enact. To paraphrase Obama regulatory action requires 

nothing more than a phone and a pen. And so they actually that sounded like that report was was pretty spot on. And they proud. I think they'll dilute it. But they'll do something so they somehow they can't get all these all these lawsuits reopened again. I don't know how they do that. John C Dvorak: But well, we'll find out soon enough, but this thing should go. Oh, Adam Curry: what what a joy it would be for, for the work. 

John C Dvorak: By the way, when I worked at the, at this administrative state, and they already were lording it over everybody else. That was before Chevron deference. Adam Curry: Oh, is that long ago? So you were already a little Hitler's before it that happened? Imagine what John C Dvorak: all the way I see it. Chevron deference once the Republicans got out of office, because when the Republicans were in office, don't forget, the Chevron deference began as a way to deregulate. That's the funny part. That's the irony. 

And then once they got out the this is the problem with everything is, you know, you switch parties, and the next thing you know, they go nuts the other way. And they started abusing power, which is what's been going on this is why the gun shops get closed. Because the the ATF and others they create new rules. And there's stories about some gun shop owner that forgot to put a Yeah, yeah. And they closed the shop. Yeah, got to sign his name properly, or print his name 

under a signature. And so they close the shop. All this is all a result of Chevron deference. Everything bad that's happening in the administrative state is the is the fault of Chevron deference again, 1984 It's when it began. And it's just gotten to the point where it's gotta go. And if there's cases if a bunch of cases show up because Comey Baird doesn't want to do any work. Or she's just you know, still thinking like a judge that's out there. Leave Adam Curry: it she she's the only true white Christian there. She should be all Magga is what's wrong with her. 

John C Dvorak: That's always the irony of these things. I would like to Adam Curry: take us back to Episode 1337 of this very podcast. Have a listen to minutes. This funny do that. Okay, great. So I get in the car and I driven it before I'm sitting down and he drives off in the truck. I'm like, I forgot how to start this thing. That's how stupid it was, like, already starts off the car is stupid. You don't have to start it. You just got to put it into Drive. I can I was looking for a button. 

You know, like my truck has a button. You press the button, the car starts. So that's how disoriented I was. But anyway, I remember how it works. I started driving and he left me with about it said 200 miles on the on the range the range meter. So I started driving. Now this is a multiple John C Dvorak: you stopped this clip. You're you referenced in that clip that you're just starting to play. I've driven it before. That's the report where you went on and on about how 

great it was not the second report or the third report or what you say today. So this is a nonsense what you're doing. Adam Curry: I never did a report other than this one. No. John C Dvorak: I've you first drove it you do gave a report. Adam Curry: All right. I'll just put it in the show notes. People can listen for themselves. You're right. I probably shouldn't embarrass you any further. John C Dvorak: Not an embarrassment. You're just proving my point. No, there is no report in that report. You 

yourself said I've driven it before and blah blah blah. That's when that's when the first report came out because you talked about driving it the first time you are Adam Curry: mediocre. This is not true. This is the report where I said the thing is dangerous. I said it almost ran me off the road it was horrible. That's John C Dvorak: right and I'm not arguing but this report is what I'm talking about are Adam Curry: people find find the previous report because it doesn't exist. They will the only report John C Dvorak: is rarely Moonbase as they'll find it. Yeah. Adam Curry: Boy, you really hurt me with that one Oof. Boy, 

Israeli Moonbase is that John C Dvorak: you are in denial about that for God at least a year. I've Adam Curry: never said that. I've never gone back on that. I've always said there was Israeli Moon bases I've never said John C Dvorak: There you go shabby never. Everyone knows what you're doing. Nice try. Adam Curry: How about we talk about the latest scare that is has everybody all up in arms? Because it's back. It's back disease X disease X is back and the Chinese are doing it disease 

Unknown: X is a term for a hypothetical illness, one that has not happened and is currently unknown. In this scenario, experts from around the globe are evaluating what would happen and what we would need to do in order to prepare for a virus that could claim up to 20 times more law is the COVID 19 pandemic. in Davos, the disease X scenario took center stage Wednesday, you may even call COVID as the first disease X. And it may happen 

again, the WHO Director General acknowledges tough lessons were learned during COVID-19. We lost many people because we couldn't manage them. They could have been saved, but they couldn't marry them. There's no space, there was no enough. So how can you have a system that can expand when the need comes? This bioethics professor says the pandemic showed us how one disease absorbing all available resources can lead to other health issues falling through the cracks. A cancer diagnosis did not take place with very severe 

consequences for the people that were affected. Blink says there are also ethical questions to consider when preparing for the next big health emergency. Do we try to limit the number of of lives that we lose? Or do we limit the number of life years that we lose? To what extent should we be concerned about equity considerations or we're just concerned about health outcomes? he cautions Canada is not ready. There will be wholly unprepared for this because we are under resourced. We don't have the staff and we don't have the bits available. So it will be a major problem obviously, anything happening is a matter of when not if 

Adam Curry: so, so this is picked up by outfits around the world because now we have a report there's an actual report someone has a report and gravi toss India this is where Paki palki Sharma is used to work they've got the the crux of it that Unknown: Sinai is asked again, it's playing with fire. What I mean to say is, it is experimenting with a deadly new COVID-19 stream as per report and this one has a mortality rate of 100%. Right. None of those who have been infected 

with it has survived. Adam Curry: When I heard that I'm like what people have been infected and they died that none of the people who are infected with this new disease x this new virus from China have survived what Tada look Unknown: at this report published in bio RX iwi doctors trained by Chinese People's Liberation Army are conducting these experiments. They have made their own version of Coronavirus found in pangolins. The scientists administer this labmate virus in mice. Guess what they discovered, mice 

started losing weight blockers their eyes went white. All of this happened after five days of being infected. The virus threat to their eyes, their lungs and even the brain. All four mice infected with the new COVID-19 stream died in eight days. In the last two days of their lives, the virus increased in the brains significantly what caused the deaths. Researchers suggest it was severe brain infection. The intensity of this 

new strain is astounding. And it has set alarm bells ringing by the way, Chinese scientists have issued warnings they fear the virus strain can spill over to human beings. And what would happen then would lead to a pandemic all over again. Adam Curry: So this this type of reporting has Oh, No one survived. It turns out it was mice and they turned into first they lost weight which is a groovy and then the the eyes went white and a brain disease and they all died and it's all China. It's gotten so crazy that we got a Fox News poll 

everyone's talking about on Twitter x. Let's bring in Redfield Redfield, you recall was the CDC director who left during the pandemic. And he's back to this Unknown: morning growing concerns as we learned growing consumers are experimenting with a mutant COVID strain 100% A Adam Curry: mutant mutant COVID strain Oh, who writes this stuff? Scientists Unknown: are experimenting with a mutant COVID strain 100% lethal in mice. Despite critics warning this research could 

spark another pandemic. Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield is here to react. Good morning, Dr. Redfield. Adam Curry: Good morning. What are you here for? I'm here to react again. Why Unknown: would they do this again? Well, you know, as Lee I'm very much against the wisdom of doing this gain of function research. I mean, I'm of the view that the original COVID pandemic was a direct consequence of laboratory research that helped educate the virus to become more transmissible, human to human, not more pathogenic. And the 

work you talk about today is work that they're doing that actually is changing the pathogenicity of these viruses, I think until we really have a better debate about whether there's any value in this gain of function research, we ought to have a moratorium on it. And clearly we don't have the bio containment up to par to do this kind of research. I think it's very dangerous. But Adam Curry: what's really dangerous is the reporting on all this and how This swirls around on social media and before you know it, disease X is a thing. And it's happening. But 

there's something he said in this not only the second one, the second clip that made me connect a few dots. People Unknown: have been wondering if it was Fred because of a lab leak and his ex boss was talking to Congress. That headline on Fox News is Fauci is ex boss now says COVID-19 lab leak theory was credible, despite previous claims, it was a distraction. So now he's saying that, but he downplayed it when he was interviewed with Bret Baier back in 2021, listen to this, I'm really sorry that the lab leak has become such a 

distraction for so many people, because frankly, we still don't know there is no evidence, really, to most of the scientific community, myself included, think that is a possibility. But far more likely, this was a natural way in which a virus left a bat maybe traveled through some other species and got to humans. But now he's saying it is credibly told Congress that how can we trust the NIH? And why is he changing his story now? Well, you know, I'm very disappointed in both him and Fauci that they didn't provide the scientific leadership in 

January, February of 2022, aggressively investigate both hypotheses to spill over in the lab leak. That's normally what the scientific community would do. Instead, they very rapidly sort of rally the troops around one idea that just had to come from a spillover even though I will say over the last three to four years, all the evidence that's been gathered points more towards lab leaks. And, and obviously, we haven't found any evidence to support the spillover. Now, they did this, I think largely because they thought they were protecting 

science. And the science that they were protecting, is this gain of function research that they want to do. But in fact, they did the opposite. I think we've lost a lot of credibility in both NIH and unfortunately, CDC because of their lack of transparency. Adam Curry: So here's what I some dots I connect, because you know, I'm, I'm a no virus guy, you definitely say there's a bio weapon. We had dinner earlier this week with the ER doctor. And I said, Tell me what is. This seems like it was just the 

flu people were dying from the flu from fear. He says, this is I just connected this this morning. He says yes, but he says, I saw people with this white lung stuff. He says, that was some kind of bio weapon. Is it perhaps possible that a bio weapon, an actual bio weapon was accidentally released, then I'm just gonna say it was us whether it was the labs we had in Ukraine, which would make total sense gotta clean that up, or 

whether it was for Dietrich, but some bio weapon got out. And maybe that was the early or maybe I was wrong about those early cartridges, you know, the vape cartridges that people gave them white lung and they died, maybe that was an actual bio weapon. And to cover it up. They came up with this whole COVID thing. John C Dvorak: This seems to elaborate to me. Okay. All right. Adam Curry: For sure. They no one seems to be able to come to 

terms with what is happening. We have a excess Dez in the UK, which is being actively discussed in parliament there 10% 7% year on year, it should in fact, be going down. It should be a deficit. But it's not it's going up. And now we are seeing this here in the United States. It's showing up with these cancers and younger people. And what could it come from an Unknown: alarming trend? Colorectal cancer is now the 

leading cause of cancer deaths in men under the age of 50. And the second among women of the same age. We do suspect a something in the environment. But what that is, we don't know likely it's a combination of things that's affecting our microbiomes or our immune systems that may be leading to why this is happening. younger and younger. Dr. Kimmy ng is an oncologist at Boston's Dana Farber Cancer Institute. And he's seen a dramatic increase in patients in their 20s and 30s. Younger people tend to have more 

advanced cancers, correct? Yes, the majority of our young patients who are diagnosed unfortunately are diagnosed with either stage three or four colorectal cancer. Adam Curry: That was NBC CBS has a similar report. I do Unknown: want to ask you about the American Cancer Society today reporting colon cancer is killing more young men and women than ever before. You are a gastroenterologist what is going on? Yet? We've been concerned about this. We've seen that younger people are increasingly affected, which is why the guidelines for initial screening for people at average risk has 

fallen from 50 to 45. Why has it done that? Well, maybe there's something in the environment something we're eating are increasing obesity, which is linked to an increased risk for colon cancer. Is it our inactivity? Or is it something in the microbiome, the trillions of bacteria in our gut and somehow the environment, something we're eating or antibiotics are changing that and increasing the risk? We don't know. But we're going to end with good news, which is that every year for the last 30 years, the total deaths from colon cancer have dropped, which is a terrific achievement. But 

today's report shows us we can't be complacent and we really have to screen screening works. You need to talk to your healthcare provider Adam Curry: these people Kockums razor for a moment people. That's really what a disservice they're doing what a disservice. Unbelievable. John C Dvorak: They just don't want to come to grips with the thesis that is the vaccine is causing these issues. We had a 

guy just dropped another drug suddenly dropped dead to some a heart attack. 45 years old. I'm one of the executives of New Warriors, you know, and it's just like, okay. Adam Curry: Yeah, like, exactly, huh, whoa, whatever. It's unbelievable. It really is. It's not everybody, by the way. Don't don't all get freaked out. But it seems so obvious. And it's never discussed. Never. 

They just can't touch it. John C Dvorak: No, of course not. Because who's the leading advertiser on television and the news media is they've captured it's a captured is a captured situation captured, captured is the word. Yes. That's the word of the day. Let's go to this. You had NATO guy on earlier, because you were doing that thing on the data. Bags. Yeah. Here's another one of these guys is discussing the Ukraine war with an ex NATO hotshot. on PBS. 

This is quite entertaining. They reported Unknown: earlier negotiations over funding for border security. Earlier today I spoke with former NATO Secretary General Anders full Grace mucin. About what this means as Russia's war in Ukraine enters its third year. And as well, Ross mucin. Thank you so much for being here. Welcome to the NewsHour. Thank you for having me. So I want to ask you about US lawmakers inability so far, to reach a deal on immigration that would allow Ukraine aid to move forward. You've said previously you would advise Democrats to accommodate 

Republicans on the border, cut a deal get the aid flowing. I know you're meeting with House Freedom Caucus members tomorrow. What's your advice to them? My advice would be to do what it takes to ensure that Ukraine wins the war against Russia, because it is detrimental for the US national security interest. If Russia wins this war, we cannot allow Putin any success in Ukraine. There 

is a very real chance that former President Donald Trump will be the Republican nominee that he could win in November. If aid for Ukraine does not move forward under the Biden administration. Do you believe it could move forward under President Trump? Yes, we don't know. As a point of departure. I'm skeptical. When you look forward, though, into the months ahead and what could happen here in the US you've said that even if Mr. Trump doesn't win, you said his nomination alone could be a geopolitical catastrophe. Why? 

Adam Curry: I didn't get any clips, but Zelinsky was in Davao Dubbo. And he was is he was talking about the peace formula. Peace formula, which is unclear. Anyway, and he was meeting with the bankers he was there. They're meeting about the reconstruction already. They gotta end this thing. But this guy's a military guy just wants to sell more things that go boom. John C Dvorak: Well, I'd like to know I'm watching PBS is in America is I think PBS is United States, right? It's not I'm not 

getting a feed from Mexico. Are you sure? I don't know who's so why is this guy even being interviewed at all? And why is he up on Capitol Hill? chatting it up with the Peace coalition and whoever else is there? What is he got to do with the slice of Buddha slice? Because you got to do with rice or bread or the slice for that matter? What is this guy sales got to do with anything and let alone being it. This is beyond me. Adam Curry: He's a sales guy he's selling for the military 

industrial complex. Unknown: It goes on his part too, because I have seen that. The fact that he is around the fact that he probably will be nominated as the Republican presidential can The date already that has changed the way international actors, they take decisions, they try to hedge their bets. and in Europe, for 

instance, there is a great concern that a new administration might be more inward looking more isolationist, that they will leave Europe behind. I don't think that would be in the interest of the United States to weaken its alliances across the Atlantic. On the contrary, we should strengthen the Transatlantic Alliance. Can I ask you about what we've seen in the US public, though, which is some decline in support for continuing the same level of 

us funding for Ukraine, and specifically, this idea that European nations should be doing more? Should Europe be bearing more of the security burden, especially when it comes to Ukraine? Yes. And we are doing so latest figures demonstrate that Europe has now overtaken the US when it comes both to military assistance and direct financial assistance led late last year? Yes, we are not speaking about pledges who is being about real 

money. When it comes to the military. According to those figures, Europe has contributed 54 billion euros, the US 44 billion euros dye Adam Curry: question those numbers. I do too, I thought we were well over 100 billion. John C Dvorak: I think this guy's full of crap. Well, Adam Curry: you got to catch up people that can't have the European spending more on military stuff we need to spend. John C Dvorak: And then you can kind of tell when you listen to 

his last clip, which is that what they want us to do, which is give them everything, including the most high tech of high tech products. So the Russians guy geskin would get a hold of them and copy them or the Chinese because that's what they're going to end up happening. If you do that. I just thought this was a disgusting example of PBS. Bringing in some this guy, this guy annoys me, let's play. Unknown: I appreciate that the Europeans contribute more, they 

should, we should do so. But it cannot replace a continued US assistance. We need both. We need sophisticated weapons delivered by the United States. And we need more weapons. We need to lift all self imposed restrictions on weapon deliveries to Ukraine. So the mantra that we will help Ukraine for as long as it takes, it should be replaced with we will give to Ukraine. All it takes to win the war. 

There's been a lot of criticism that had the US and NATO Allies done that sooner the war might have been over by now Ukraine would be in a different position. It took 300 days into the war for the US, for example, to provide long range missiles President Solinsky had been asking for. Was that a mistake? Yes, it's really. I mean, it's a sad story to see our hesitation. And the reason why they equate the Ukrainian counteroffensive 

have been so difficult, and so modest, is that we took much too long time to take necessary decisions. You cannot win a war by an incremental step by step approach. You have to overwhelm and surprise your adversary. We failed to do that. Adam Curry: Oh, man. Well, there's a plan. They got a plan. Because yes, is no longer pulling his weight. Jens Stoltenberg. He's not doing it. He's not getting you know, he 

sits in Davos. He's got the he's living it up doing caviar bumps. And you know that we need more war to make peace. It's like I'm here, but he's been there for 10 years. He's been he's contracts been extended over and over again. And now they're looking for a new leader. It's Unknown: been one of the most popular guessing games in Brussels for years. Who will replace Jens Stoltenberg, the Norwegian NATO chief has been asked to stay on as head of the 

Western military alliance four times, once, even after he'd already accepted another job. It is time for NATO leaders to find a good candidate. It's really important that a choice is made early enough and that it is delinked from both the European union elections and the campaign for the United States elections. Just why the alliance has been unable to find a suitable replacement is 

not exactly clear, in part because There's no official procedure for doing so. There has been an unofficial list of desired qualities experienced as a head of state or government of a country with robust defense spending from a southern or Eastern ally and preferably finally a woman. Many names have come up and gone down. Currently Latvian Foreign Minister Christianity's current Estonian Prime Minister Kaya goalless and outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Ruta all want the job route 

it has gradually emerged as the clear favorite, a safer choice with Moscow's war on Ukraine dominating the Alliance agenda. Adam Curry: So I've been following this for a while because Margaret, of course is Dutch. The Prime Minister was prime minister for 12 years or something. If they want a woman that's the guy you want. Get him if they want a woman put him in charge. He's to he was in HR at at Unilever. Before he became prime minister. He is a as we say in the old country, a silk 

sock. He's just a worse he's silk Unknown: sauce silk sock. John C Dvorak: He has what they call an old country. Adam Curry: Zetas sock, silk sock? John C Dvorak: Well, we're while we're on the topic of the old country, we might as well play this clip. Oh, boy. This is Claire Daly going off on Biden. Yet. This Adam Curry: is this is a nice little rant. Our old Claire did despite Unknown: the catastrophic death toll it has inflicted, Israel is losing on the ground. And in the courts of public opinion. 

There's no way that this ends that doesn't leave Israel, a pariah state with occupation and apartheid on borrowed time. And they know it. So they're doing everything they can desperate acts of aggression to provoke a wider conflict with Lebanon with Iran with anybody to draw in the US to save them from the consequences of their own actions. And as Yemen shows, butcher Biden is reporting for juicy so take notes, butcher by 

the ancestors of the Ireland that you claim to be from disown you keep our company out of your mouth, Adam Curry: butcher Biden, they need to chant they need to chant, I need a chance to incorporate that. I just want to go back to your military industrial complex for a moment, because they're having such a hard time just keeping with the show theme here. having such a hard time finding a body double for Lloyd Austin. There just can't John C Dvorak: be It can't be done there. Just yet to find an 

ex NFL guy. Probably a lineman. Yeah. And he's got to be the last like six for some problem because you can get the fridge. Tonight, you have to be careful about who you're hiring nowadays if you need it if he's going to need a body double, because some guys are just going to be hard to replace. I know Trump I'm sure there's two of them. So they're distracting us Adam Curry: with the 911. Call tonight Unknown: ABC News obtaining the 911 call requesting an ambulance at the home of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin after complications 

from the surgery. He kept a secret at first oh nine John C Dvorak: federal employee called Yeah, it took them this long to create a phony 911 call for the for the media. Adam Curry: Have you heard the call is great. Oh, the call is fantastic. And listen to the call like I got some of the call. 911 Unknown: Where's your emergency? Tonight the 911 call just obtained by CBS News reveals an aide to Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin asked the dispatcher to keep the emergency discreet. They can ambulance not show up with lights and sirens. We're 

trying to remain a little subtle. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, usually when they turn into a residential neighborhood, they'll turn them off, but they're required by law to run with them with the Main Street. The operator then asks for details about Austin's can What's Adam Curry: your question? John C Dvorak: What is this nonsense about turning the lights on and off and Adam Curry: well they didn't want to want to keep it subtle you know? Because we know we don't want what's your Biden to know I guess I don't know this is this is some helper at his at his resume 

John C Dvorak: this is a no I've just not that I did not you mention it is so that when when they canvass anyone in his neighborhood about the the ambulance they kill I don't remember. Because there was no lights and sirens Yes, exactly. Yeah. Like he's gonna pass out. Oh, Adam Curry: you mean so? Oh, that's a good point. Well, it was done on the Qt on the DL. So yeah, so no one no no witnesses John C Dvorak: policy because if you did listen to her as a policy that you keep the license overnight and the main drags but 

when you go into the residential areas, you turn them off. Yes. Unknown: Austin was taken to the hospital on New Year's Day with an infection that stemmed from complications and After surgery to treat prostate cancer just over two weeks earlier, in a statement, Austin's doctor said he had severe pain in his leg, hip and abdomen from Adam Curry: the shrapnel. Unknown: I'm just curious if we need to take him to Walter Reed medical, is that a possibility? Let them know that when they get 

there, like I said, I'm noting all this in the call the 911 call adds to questions about why President Biden did not find out about Austin's hospitalization for three days. Neither did his deputy who had taken over Austin's duties while she was on vacation in Puerto Rico. Despite calls for Austin's resignation. The president says he's not considering firing him. I do. Yes, but tonight The Pentagon has not responded to our request 

for a comment about that 911 Call. The inspector general though continues to investigate why it took Austin so long to disclose his hospitalization, all Adam Curry: distraction. And then of course, he's now released, we still don't have him waving from the balcony defense Unknown: secretary Lloyd Austin was released from Walter Reed Medical Center today after being treated for complications that follow up prostate cancer surgery. His treatment and complications had been kept secret for days, prompting widespread criticism. The Pentagon said Austin will 

continue to recuperate and perform his duties from home Adam Curry: and now they're saying they think he may need additional care is not good. They John C Dvorak: where's he waving from the balcony. I don't know if maybe some new listeners just showed up for the show should know what the thesis is, which we're kind of skirting, which is that he was killed in a Ukraine attack. He was in Ukraine on the first or the second of January, and he got killed in a in a in 

an attack. And so now they're trying to if they haven't come up with a good story yet for ways missing. I mean, they're working on it. They're working on it as we can tell. Adam Curry: Meanwhile, we have. We've got a kerfuffle down here in Texas. Now we're Texas is fighting the federal government. Yes, John C Dvorak: it's a good story. Do you have any? I have two clips. Tonight tragedy on the Rio Grande escalating a 

border battle between the ocean and Texas centered around federal authorities access to the border. The Department of Homeland Security issuing a letter to the State's Attorney General demanding Texas immediately cease and desist any actions. Now blog Border Patrol has full access to the US Mexico border in and around the Shelby Park area. That Eagle Pass park near where a migrant woman and two children drowned late Friday. The rescue response highly disputed. The White House 

stating Texas officials blocked US Border Patrol from attempting to save the migrants. Texas authorities calling that wholly inaccurate sharing by the time Border Patrol requested access. Mexican authorities were already recovering the bodies. Unknown: It's devastating to imagine that state officials would know that people were drowning in the river particularly children and block Border Patrol from going and saving them. John C Dvorak: Just hours before the drownings the state's governor defending its border presence. Texas has the legal 

authority to control ingress and egress into any geographic location in the state of Texas. Back in Eagle Pass 700 white crosses marking the estimated migrant deaths over the last year. And tonight DHS is giving Texas that deadline of this Wednesday to stop blocking border patrol or that will further matter to the Department of Justice. Adam Curry: Civil War maybe Civil War as Tim Poole can be civil war and pull up to say that Civil War Civil War. CBS 

had to report to the Unknown: Texas National Guard abruptly seized control of a two and a half mile stretch of the southern border last week. DHS says on Friday federal Border Protection agents requested access to the area where a group of migrants was attempting to cross the Rio Grande but Texas officials refused a woman and her two children drowned in a cease and desist letter to the Texas Attorney General. The top lawyer for DHS said Texas is failure to provide access to the border persists, even in 

instances of imminent danger to life and safety. Calling the state's actions clearly unconstitutional. It's all politics, visual politics. Texas Congressman Henry Cuellar says this state prevented federal aid ants from using specialized equipment to save the migrants who died. A scope truck is a truck that has this camera that can see what's happened in the river that could have had an impact of what happened here. What is your message to Governor Abbott? 

You cannot do this type of standoff is not helpful. The Texas military department says two of the migrants had already drowned by the time Border Patrol asked to enter the area. Governor Greg Abbott says he has the legal authority to control areas of the southern border within state boundaries authority is being asserted with regard to that park and Eagle Pass Texas to maintain operational control of Texas blames the Biden administration for not doing enough. It has also installed 

controversial razor wire and changed the law to allow state police officers to apprehend migrants, Texas has until Wednesday to comply with the cease and desist letter to stop blocking access to the border. If it fails, DHS says it will refer the matter to the Department of Justice to take appropriate action John C Dvorak: and desist letter does this suggestion. Adam Curry: The boats what's the whole thing is so strange 

because we've got the governor of Illinois Pritzker taking out ads in our papers here saying please, please, Governor Abbott, stop sending them to Chicago, New York is overrun. They now have to have a curfew for migrants John C Dvorak: they should be happy and we should mention we should mention that abas total number of people sent to New York for example is 10%. Yeah, the total of migrants that are there have to 90% sent by our government. Yes. 

Adam Curry: Yes. I know. But you know, then they just bring in the oh what a mom and two kids died, which of course is horrible. This whole thing is horrible as a human catastrophe. But if you say no moss, no, that's a Spanish for no. If you say no, you can't come in anymore. People will stop coming. But that's not the plan. John C Dvorak: Though they want it or they Adam Curry: totally want an awesome beach and this is 

happening everywhere in the world. The UK, John C Dvorak: I have an international conspiracy. It truly isn't Adam Curry: international conspiracy. This is the UK. You recall the plan there by the Conservative Party. Rishi shamrock was to send them to Rwanda John C Dvorak: which I still love. I Adam Curry: still well, they they passed it they can send them to Rwanda but nobody likes Unknown: it the eyes to the right 320 the nose to the left 

276 In the end, only a handful of Conservative MPs voted against the government. The promise rebellion against a new version of the Rwanda plan melted away. And Rishi Sunak avoided a serious political defeat on his own MPs still don't think his new law is tough enough. Migrants will be able to appeal their deportation too easily. Judges in the European Court of Human Rights will still be able to block flights to Rwanda. We have Sunak insisted making it tougher will put the UK in 

breach of international agreements. The law will work as a deterrent. It is important that we stop the votes because illegal migration is simply not fair. It's not right, that some people jumped the queue. Adam Curry: That, by the way, is a good line in the UK. But all you gotta do is hey, these people tried to jump the queue. Now the pitchforks come out, that they Unknown: take away our resources to help those who are the most compassionate that need our most help, and by the way, Mr. Speaker are exploited by gangs, and many of them lose their 

lives making these dangerous crossing. Last year, the UK Supreme Court ruled the original Rwanda plan was illegal because the judges said Rwanda was not a Safe Third Country. This new law aims to address those concerns, strengthen his legal status and allow flights to Rwanda to start in a few months. The rebel said he was still too vulnerable to legal delay. We have to get people out of the country within days, not months. And the operational plan behind this bill foresees that people will 

take months to be removed from the country. The Labour opposition said no version of the plan will ever work. Immigration here and across Europe is a key election issue. Governments everywhere are under pressure to control their borders Adam Curry: everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, everywhere. So international conspiracy is right apnea and everyone loves it because China's dead more reports China's popular nation is dwindling and as the former New 

York banker said we win because we have more people and I hear more and more people saying you know we need you know people to take care of our children to polish our shoes to clean our toilets. We need this we need this we're very rich here we need that. Where's anyway stupid I got a boots on the ground from the region. From the realest region, the region would be the Red Sea region regarding the the boat, the museum the tourist 

attraction, John C Dvorak: oh yes, yes, we need a boots on the ground report on that. Adam Curry: boots on the ground reports secondhand boots on the ground here doing some significant tile work for a higher up at traveler's insurance. I started talking to him about supply chain you fill me in about the first boat that was taken and turned into a tourist attraction. See? John C Dvorak: This is good. Hilarious already. Adam Curry: This is good. Travelers insures that ship. He says that the ransom for the crew was $5 million, and they are about to cut a check for it. The owner of the boat company 

Meyer SC doesn't want the check to be cut but instead wants travelers to send in a squad to extract the crew. Traveler says No way. He's trying to get the crew released via the ransom payment instead. So ransom that no one mentioned that part. I John C Dvorak: haven't heard anything about a ransom. No, of course, all I heard was about the tourist attraction, which I still think probably bullcrap. But it's great Adam Curry: story. And then, overnight, we had a little kerfuffle between Iran and Pakistan. And the minute I heard 

the report, I remembered this region. Unknown: What do we know about the Pakistan strikes? They say that they've targeted Aluche militants. That's a separatist group that actually operates within Pakistan. But they're saying they targeted them on Iranian territory. But of course, this is widely being seen as retaliation or a show of strength after Iran actually conducted missile and airstrikes on Pakistan's territory on a militant group a few days ago. 

So now both Pakistan and Iran have now attacked militants on each other's soil, could this escalate further? It's quite unclear what's going to happen next. But there are real concerns and fears, particularly here in Islamabad that things could escalate. Pakistan's caretaker Prime Minister was in Davos for the World Economic Forum. And he has actually said he's cutting short his trip and coming back to Pakistan in the wake of these strikes. However, analysts have spoken to have said that Pakistan probably wouldn't want an escalation, and 

that players such as China, which has ties with both Iran and Pakistan, could well step in to try and help temper down the tensions. And how do these exchanges fit into the wider conflict in the Middle East, it is quite difficult to say Iran, nations actually remain quite opaque for the initial stripes. However, Iran has also carried out strides on Iraq and Syria in recent days and around foreign minister has indicated that it did target militants 

that it said will link to Israel within Pakistan, though we don't have a lot more information on that and Pakistan and the militant group involved have not said anything on that. But obviously there are concerns that it could be part of these broader regional escalations. This Adam Curry: is That's bull crap. This is Baluchistan. And since I remember things so well Baluchistan, that is right by the Afghan border. We had drones flying around all the time. This was a huge problem because of pipelines, and some other 

things. And if we go back to Episode 1273, from 2020 This was one of your clips. This is about Belton road. Unknown: In June, the CCP launched its plans for a transportation corridor to Uzbekistan, that goes through Kurdistan as business news website and telling his reports whoever the program to build a railway has met with quote unending construction delays. The program now relies on freight shipping through Kurdistan where anti CCP sentiments are growing and the issues that CCP faces in 

Kurdistan are similar to what the Chinese regime is facing and similar projects, including in Tajikistan, and Balochistan. And all of these areas, China is becoming the target of terrorist and nationalist movements that are increasingly viewing the regime as their main enemy. To counter this, the CCP has been giving training to local government forces and also encouraging them to defend China's shipping lines on its behalf. But it's now becoming clear this may not be enough. Now, where's this all heading? When it comes to the way the 

Chinese Communist Party is trying to protect it? supply chains when it comes to shipping along this, say One Belt, One Road initiative, its current method when dealing with terrorist organizations and others is to get the local countries to defend its own supply chains. These countries a lot of times, however, do not want to get involved with terrorist organizations and fighting against them on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party. And so the CCP is now being left with that effort. And what's it going to do well as two options, one is send the Chinese military in to protect its supply chains, 

but doing that as sensitive as well, because for example, imagine that the Chinese military gets in a shootout with different to say, you know, radical groups of one kind or another in these countries. Well, it's gonna look a whole lot like what happened in India along this border dispute where the Chinese military killed around 20 Indian soldiers and turn pretty much all of India against the CCP. Adam Curry: This is Belton road this is someone messing with the Chinese and it may be us for all I know I'm convinces us Yeah, then probably and I'm also the Ron cook keeps keep coming 

John C Dvorak: back don't let it go directly at Iran. But you know what, what nation has nukes? Adam Curry: Via Pakistan, India, Pakistan, Pakistan Pakistan has nukes Yeah, and John C Dvorak: now you want to get their phony baloney conflagration with Iran and Pakistan and then a nuke goes flying and hits some I don't know the Enclave or all the Mulas live you know the housing development boom blow that up affordable housing for the moolah affordable housing for them and and oh Pakistan Oh then then you create all kinds of 

issues because now you got to do a more bigger look at disarmament and all these other things because it was careless or was an accident or and we got nothing to do with it. We're over here trying to be your shoot a few who's the basis? I do have a three by three foot I Adam Curry: was hoping you'd have on an hour time for a three by three everybody experiment by JC D here we go everyone comparing ABC CBS and NBC my buddy my buddy Michael actually 

the whole band Mercy Me they always say that whenever that day get happy when they hear the jingle the three by three jingle they get happy. Say Happy jingles happy jingle and they're just happy because they know something good is coming. We're gonna we're gonna we're going to see how the media gets all of its information from one source game one system one source and including the sound effects everything. What do we have in today's John C Dvorak: first of all, we have the same big three but I do have the bonus again this show BBC bonus. Always different is 

gonna be CBC. The Scandinavian bonus. Right? Yeah. So let's start with ABC, Adam Curry: ABC, everybody. Here we go. Unknown: desperate search for two Navy SEALs missing at sea in the Gulf of Aden during that during nighttime mission. These new images tonight showing the US efforts to disrupt the flow of weapons to Iranian backed Houthi rebels while boarding a suspected Yemeni weapons smuggling boat. One Navy SEAL fell into the sea following protocol. Another senior NCO jumping in after him the operation continuing with the 

seals seizing these weapons revealed in new images tonight, materials used to build missiles, the same weapons deployed by the Houthis and at least 30 attacks on commercial shipping vessels. That's a significant operation that they haven't historically done. So this shows that they're escalating their interdiction operations and they're also approving things that they typically do not. Tonight, the Pentagon saying it launched another round of airstrikes inside Yemen destroying for hooty anti ship ballistic missiles prepared to launch the operation marks the 

third round of retaliatory strikes against the Houthis since Thursday amid the ongoing attack on vessels in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden since mid November, disrupting one of the world's busiest shipping routes. And National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan warning there could be additional strikes, we anticipated the Houthis would continue to try to hold this critical artery at risk. And we continue to reserve the right to take further action but this needs to be an all hands on deck effort. And David an official tells us the White House intends to put 

the Houthis back on the list of foreign terrorist organizations after President Biden remove the group back in 2021. Over concerns that designation would cripple the enemy the Yemeni economy the damage to a famine Adam Curry: the enemy Oh send them into so this this navy seal thing that that got all the play I think what's Trump going to do? John C Dvorak: Well, first of all, I want to point something out in that report if Adam Curry: his navy seals are are all gone, he can't use them to kill his opponents. 

John C Dvorak: Well, there's plenty of seal groups, but the kid right can't kill the First Lady. So Ha First Lady. Yes, yeah, they killed the first lady right there in the White House. He specifically said 30 Houthi attacks on on the shipping. I thought it was 150. Adam Curry: Well, this is the Gulf of Aden. All of a sudden this is no longer the red so yeah, but John C Dvorak: it's still Houthi attacks on commercial shipping, 

I thought was 150 attacks 150 missiles 150 something or other? And he specifically said 30, not 3133 2930. When did that number change? Adam Curry: I don't know. But it's it's a number change. Let me guess. Did everybody mentioned 30? John C Dvorak: I don't know if they do. Let's find out by listening to the NBC report Unknown: tonight the US striking back against Houthi rebels in Yemen again, destroying an anti ship ballistic missile launcher that the US says was preparing to attack ships in the Red Sea. 

We anticipated the Houthis would continue to try to hold this critical artery at risk. And we continue to reserve the right to take further action. It comes after the Houthis hit a commercial ship with a missile today. According to the US military, the Biden administration now read designating the group as a foreign terrorist organization. According to three US officials. The goal to cut off Houthi financing. Secretary of State Antony Blinken told CNBC Andrew Ross Sorkin the threat is impacting commercial traffic 15% of commercial traffic is going through that strait every single 

day 30% of the world's containerships we're seeing international repercussions for these attacks. US officials say Iran continues to supply Houthi rebels with weapons and intelligence releasing photos of these Iranian missile parts headed to the rebels in Yemen. The weapons intercepted when the US Navy spotted a suspicious boat in the Gulf of Aden and sent in a team of US Navy SEALs. They confiscated the missile parts but not before two US Navy SEALs ended up in the rough waters. They are both still missing tonight. The tension with Iran also playing out on land. US 

officials say Iran launched multiple ballistic missiles into northern Iraq overnight, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard claiming they targeted a spy base for Israel's intelligence agency Mossad in the region. US officials not confirming that saying US military and diplomatic facilities were not impacted and that civilians including children were killed in the missile attack. Sparking protests in the streets in Erbil. The White House condemning the attacks as reckless and imprecise Adam Curry: very different reports. Yeah, I noticed 

different very did John C Dvorak: they have the same elements of the seals and then they have the bass there were no 30 They didn't have the number 30 They didn't have a 30 and they didn't have and they added this new thing about the attack in Iraq. Adam Curry: Yeah, throw the kids you know, they're gonna lose viewers with this people are zoning out the Oh, first of all, you know, Windows Security defender. Okay, John C Dvorak: so you have a problem? Yeah, I Adam Curry: guess. Everything reboots I think this is bad for 

ratings. People don't want know where the where the Gulf of Aden is. They don't know where they'll go anything they don't feel anything we know where it is because that's where the that's where the portal is. John C Dvorak: Yeah, there's a stargate there are you know what comes in and out of that thing? Adam Curry: Tell me fish. John C Dvorak: Exactly. Alright, so, Adam Curry: next CBS CBS CBS CB alright. CBS Come on. termI on demand. The assault of guys continued today. I liked the 

other they're connecting it to Gaza right away good. Unknown: But Israel's fight against Hamas has triggered a dramatic escalation in attacks across the region, the region off the coast of Yemen. New Video shows Iranian backed Houthi ease in a song and dance with new recruits aboard the Galaxy leader cargo ship seized back in November now turned into part trophy, part floating amusement park off the coast of Yemen and a propaganda tool used to make a mockery of the 

American led threats. But following last week's US UK bombardment, those threats turn to action again. The US military says fighter jets struck for anti ship ballistic missiles preparing to launch from Houthi territory in Yemen. Barely 24 hours after an attack on a US operated cargo ship. A Greek own ship was struck today by a Houthi missile in the Red Sea. Near the coast of Somalia. The US military released these new 

images Iranian supplied warheads and missile parts confiscated from this ship headed to Houthi militants in Yemen. In an operation in which two Navy SEALs were lost at sea. We'll have to continue the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland White House National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said this goes beyond a regional problem. Global Challenge we're talking about a vital armor artery of global commerce. A critical maritime choke point that's being held 

hostage. Despite us lead attempts, the Houthi say they'll keep hitting that choke point as long as Israel keeps hitting Gaza and there's no sign tonight of either those battles coming to an end anytime soon. Okay, so Adam Curry: we have three distinct different reports and I John C Dvorak: think this three by three is having an effect Yes, the Adam Curry: damn man does those new agenda guys are onto us. Mix it up, people put the amusement park in there, which was a nice 

touch. Now I think this this something was a surprise. It was the news media has no idea there's not that don't have the only sources say they have in there as well. But putting it back on the terrorist list, they don't know what to do. There is no central information source that is that is giving them details this this was not planned something I'm having to agree with something went awry. And especially if we lose some seals, you know, this is not good. That's the only human 

interest we have is the seal part of the story. So what do Canadians John C Dvorak: have to say about this a CBC. Unknown: Even as the US and UK launched those first strikes against Houthi militants last week, the US suggested more would likely follow. Now they have today more Houthi military targets. In this case, anti ship missiles have been hit by American forces unto itself underlining that Houthi forces 

while degraded by the earlier attacks are still able to carry out strikes themselves. Indeed, word a Maltese flagged cargo ship was hit today. And yesterday for the first time a US owned cargo ship. Damage was minor in both cases, and there were no injuries in the face of naked aggression. We are not turning inward. US national security adviser Jake Sullivan today in Davos, Switzerland, we did not say when we launched our tax they're going to end once and for all, the Houthis will be fully deterred. We 

continue to reserve the right to take further action. The US said today it's not looking for war. And while the Houthi is linked their attacks to supporting Palestinians in the Israeli war against Hamas in Gaza. The US said again, its response to the Houthi attacks is based solely on the threat to the global economy. countries and companies that have nothing to do with Middle East whatsoever are being affected more than 50 nations in nearly 30 attacks. And so it's a crisis that the whole world needs to 

respond to. But it's ratcheted tensions in the region broadly. Today reports the US is set to officially label Houthi rebels as specially designated global terrorists, which means the US will be able to block their assets among other punishments. Last week, the US seized Iranian made missile components bound for Yemen from an unflagged ship in the Arabian Sea. Iran backs both the Houthis and Hamas Adam Curry: and they got Bitcoin their nose good. Decent analysis 

from the troll room. Navy SEALs lost at sea no ir beacons on helmets no drones in sky the seals were killed in action and reported as missing to avoid having to escalate that's a good point. John C Dvorak: That would make sense that Adam Curry: would that would make sense that so they're lying to us. Oh, surprise. John C Dvorak: Wait, what lies in the media Adam Curry: and with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage in the morning to you the man who put the sea in 

Colonel DeVore ag ladies and gentlemen say hello to my friend John Cena John C Dvorak: Mr and creative Marcia, seabirds and Rafi near subs the word of their games and nights out there in Adam Curry: the morning to the trolls at to buck 24 We've got 1817 Trolls listening in on the troll room John C Dvorak: that are there that's that's actually right on the money. Adam Curry: Money you're on the money trolls you're on the money 

very good. Yes i i heard I was reminded the other day that you're actually a colonel I'm John C Dvorak: a Kentucky Colonel This is a fact Kentucky Google it's not a little known as but it's lightly known. Yeah Adam Curry: I'm very very proud I'm very proud to John C Dvorak: tell the story on horror wish I could tell it again yeah you can you can Cyrus hire I hired to give a speech in Connecticut some Kentucky users we were something there was something in the guy who gave the speech before was the one of the editors at info world became a venture capitalist Stuart 

Alsop Yes, famous guy and I heard that he had been there the year before to give the same talk. And he had been granted a Kentucky Colonel ship. The guy just mentioned it in passing now is that actual Adam Curry: military rank is that it's John C Dvorak: a Kentucky thing. Yeah, I guess his military is Colonel. And so I said, Wait a minute. If he got this, I'm getting one. Get me a Kentucky cry. So I got one signed by the governor. The whole thing I got it's a framed on the wall. 

Adam Curry: You should put it on your QR Zed profile. John C Dvorak: What's that QR Zed? The QR Adam Curry: z.com. Where all the hams have their profile. John C Dvorak: Oh, yeah, I should. Hey, I've Adam Curry: been getting some good CUSOs from people on the VAR AC. It's working. It's pretty cool. Oh, you John C Dvorak: got this thing up and running? Yeah, got it up and running. Yeah. Been doing lots of you do it on the computer. How do you as it work? It's Adam Curry: on the computer. Yeah. It's like a big chat program on the computer yet John C Dvorak: press. Gold. That's got to be exciting. It's riveting. It's 

Adam Curry: it's riveting in the region is great. I can't I was talking to Switzerland the other day on 12 watts. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, John C Dvorak: yeah. And you can do it window. All hell breaks loose. You can still do it. That's right. That's right. A friend of mine. Chris red. kowski just wrote a book called How the C W life or something like, Adam Curry: wow, The CW life is it this John C Dvorak: is called CW life. And it's all it is is 

about code and Adam Curry: euthanasia book. What is this? John C Dvorak: Just you didn't autograph it? He sent me a copy. But I don't think he autographed it. I want to send it to you. Because I figure you'd be Yeah. Adam Curry: See, what What about it was did you read it and you didn't read it? John C Dvorak: It's hard to read. You know, it's talking about Morse code and how great it is. And yeah, it is and CW is terrific. Adam Curry: That's the same as Morse code. carrier wave CW 

that's Morse code. Yeah. I at a certain point, I could do 12 words a minute I was up there. You John C Dvorak: are all in on CW for a long time. I thought Yeah, I was I was and then and you're getting all jacked up about having some of you know, 100 foot long antenna. Long Wave stuffing. It's not a you know, some CW the wire Adam Curry: antenna. I like wire antennas the best actually I do. Like why aren't these guys with these big beams and rotators after John C Dvorak: this little chit chat we've just had check the 

check the chat room now to see how many people left. Okay, let's see. I'm guessing is down to 1600 after talking about ham radio station. 76. Adam Curry: Baby. John C Dvorak: You're right. Yeah. 200 people you want to talk a little more about we'll get rid of all of that killed over Adam Curry: dead like ah, can't listen to the CW ta Hey, man. I'm just trying to spice it up a little bit. Spice it up. We got a lot of hams. We got a lot of hams. We do there the core group. Troll room.io is where you can listen live to the show 

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if you're maintaining servers for us or anything like that. It's highly appreciated. Anything you do in return is appreciated just hitting someone in the mouth. All of that really does help and keeps the show rolling. And of course, Treasurer is important. Everybody can afford a couple of bucks, you can go to no agenda donations.com. For those who left the support during the PayPal pocalypse, we now have a new payment method we've added which is stripe. I have no idea what that is. What is stripe to 

John C Dvorak: stripe is like a competitor with square. So they compete they compete a bit with Pay Pal but not exactly the same. But they do have it is alternative is already paid off. Because it turns out that in New Zealand, for example, we have a New Zealand, oh, they can't use a power problem. They can't use Pay Pal and they bitch about it. And I said and I sent one of the women who was complaining. I said we'll check this out. We 

just have implemented Jay did it. And that Jay is great. Adam Curry: She's fantastic. She's doing all kinds of stuff. And I guess no agenda donations.com That's just our new that we're getting rid of dvorak.org/na, which we had for all which children around the John C Dvorak: world. Just put it put a forwarding thing. Eventually, Adam Curry: eventually, where is it? Where's the forward when you find the password? Don't push and a so John C Dvorak: let me finish the story, which is that she tried 

it. And it worked fine. Oh, good. And she tried it. It worked fine. She was really grateful. So this is so for people that are overseas and they can't use PayPal under any circumstances. They don't have checks because God knows you're going to have a check. No, because it's discouraged by the banks and he plays but the United States as they can't really donate but now they can donate and they can go to no agenda donations plural.com And then you can click on the stripe 

thing and you can use stripe if you want to. And it's also people that really don't like PayPal and even though this we like it yeah, that people can always send us people don't like it it's in this cache and there's also Yeah, you send send a check that's the absolute best way of doing Adam Curry: everybody in America everybody's bank you can automatically send a check it'll just be you just write it off goes to the mail shows up that's fine too. And that's even better because there's no fees we have check cashing fees with our bank yes John C Dvorak: there is at some point when you have a there's a 

there's a limited checks once you get to like 100 checks. All checks after that are charged 15 cents off the top but Adam Curry: not a percentage. No no no percentage because PayPal man they take these days. John C Dvorak: A pal takes a lot of money. Well they all do. Because it's a fee you know you gotta you gotta cough up to this system. Adam Curry: Yeah John C Dvorak: Yep, so it's not just Pay Pal is everybody their Visa, MasterCard, you name it. Bastards. Faster Adam Curry: masters. Now you can also do things like make artwork 

for the show. And our artists have been making art for many years. We have a large selection that seems seems to be coming back a little bit now that the no agenda art generator.com is back online and fast. Thank you, Sir Paul couture, another great example of of time and talent that he gave us. And we want to thank capitalist agenda who bought us the artwork for episode 1625 We titled that one call me Bill. And this was Lloyd Austin on a milk carton. 

John C Dvorak: Gray greatest piece of work. Yeah, Adam Curry: I'd actually use that as the bat signal. And so it's rare that we use the same piece of art for the bat signal and for the for the episode show art but there it is. It was that good. It was really we love that to capitalist agenda. Thank you so much. Let us take a look and see some of the other things that people had posted art wise we had. What did we have here? 

John C Dvorak: Well, there wasn't a lot. Well, Adam Curry: there was Simon hating me. That was funny. John C Dvorak: Yeah, that was cute. There's a lot of cute stuff that was probably usable if we couldn't come up with anything better. Yeah. Adam Curry: Some laundry stuff people like the laundry stuff. John C Dvorak: And there's also Yeah, it was a lot of that whereas Aaron nourish kind of cute company strict blogger had a few good AI pieces that were nice. Adam Curry: Yeah, there was this missile confusion that people 

were doing missile but was the I don't remember when this John C Dvorak: Yeah, I don't you'll remember that. cuz I mean I mean I saw that piece but I can't remember what the joke what it was referring to we have a dog food eating from the dog food bowl which I guess got a lot of people's attention. Scattered disgusted scare Adam Curry: Manga The wash coin minor Pro that was funny fire the Zoomer the thermostat. Oh, that wasn't a really good thermostat. I didn't look like a thermostat that looked like an old cassette recorder on the wall. I don't know what it 

looked like. It looked kind of weird. So I think really it was this was the one for the win that it was a great piece by human capitalist agenda. And he this is not AI he does this stuff. This is what he does, right? Okay, John C Dvorak: this should take a million prompts to get this piece on AI. He's got the 33 ounces on there at the bottom of cute now as goodwill. No capitalist agenda is a pro. He's really good. Adam Curry: It was beautiful work really, really well done. We appreciate it. And of course, we appreciate the work that all 

of the artists who thank you so much is just as we appreciate people who will support us with with $3 $5. It doesn't matter if everybody chipped in. I said I said it chipped in, kept in these donations, things would be very short. This one's actually not too long. We're going to thank our executive producers and Associate Executive producers. This is part of the reward that you get just like Hollywood. Although you know you don't get all the benefits of Hollywood but you do get credits here. Karen Bauer from Vancouver, Washington, 

Vancouver, Washington. John C Dvorak: Yeah, Vancouver, Washington, Southern Washington across from Portland is considered one of the greatest places to live because you play you pay no income tax in Washington State. You drive across the bridge to Portland buy everything there because there's no sales tax. That keeps the the Oregonians complained bitterly about this. Adam Curry: I just got a disturbing note that the the milk carton was stolen and recreated Ben Garrison had it as 

a cartoon last weekend apparently. Oh my god Stolen Valor. John C Dvorak: That message. That information must have come in from comic strip blogger. Adam Curry: No net net net net who has who has skin in the game Stolen Valor. Oh, that's too bad. Anyway, back to Karen. And she comes in for an executive producer ship with 350 Shout out to the Treasure Valley Boise Idaho Meetup group A big shout out to the hutch man for organizing. This is my first 

treasure donation. I'll eventually catch up to my bestie Dame Jen ie of the Treasure Valley says Karen. All right, Karen. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. We really do. John C Dvorak: Brian in Arlington, Texas is up and he came in with $234 and he says executive producer donation this brings my total 1093 Blah blah blah blah blah. Thank you for hosting the greatest podcast in here but he does does he want to knighting he doesn't say need to Adam Curry: let us know brother. We have do we have we have 

somebody on the list but not him. Right? John C Dvorak: I don't worry if it was him. I think it'd be mark. Adam Curry: No, no, it's not. Hey, let us know Brian. What do you want you yet let us know where you can give us a name. John C Dvorak: Give us a time. Adam Curry: Thank you. Thank you for the support 333 dot 33 from John Miller and Bernie Texas right down the road. Huge thank you to Chisholm Cook, and cable Smith of the justified pursuit podcast for hitting me in the mouth back in 2021. Both are devout Christians who played a role in helping you to find 

Christ. Please no exit strategy. I need to de douching though you've been deep I don't know this justified pursuit podcast I shall listen because I gotta find my fellow white Christians. Keep up Yeah, so you can keep the government up on the meeting. John C Dvorak: Sir Shogun camas Washington 33333 Thanks guys. Words are great. And if I could I'd love to I'd love to hear some song in the form of the following jingles Fullmer and 

JCD me no likey thank you for your courage forest aka sir Chu, aka Bo Diddley. Oh my god. Adam Curry: Me You're still good. Connor Bailey from tip city, Ohio. 333 33 favorite number today, ITM gents. First time donor please do? Use ben de duced. I was hitting them out at 

the Central Ohio meetup one year ago at the time had never listened to an episode and I thought I had just witnessed some sort of podcast called I'd say you kind of did probably you did witness a podcast called interesting that that happened. So I listened to Adams Joe Rogan episode and admired his conviction with faith and Bitcoin I knew I was in the right place. Also shout out to na nation for being supportive to those in recovery if you are go to recovery meetup as well connection really is protection. My favorite is Celebrate 

Recovery more boots on the ground to come with future donations as I work in the belly of the beast Big Pharma Sorry for the long note this time that's Okay ma'am. No carnamah Just jingles Don't eat me Bo Jaiden and gonna need a Bitcoin Connor Bailey columbus ohio John C Dvorak: all hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin No, a water maker in Three Rivers California. 

33333 2024 is the year to donate. So do it. Yeah. Plus, you can make them say things like have this guy design your home remodel? He's probably pretty good at it. John or Adam is right. I'm very good. Thank you for your courage. No of wanting to make her sir. Sir. Quite quite young. So one of the best toilets Adam Curry: batholith sir. John C Dvorak: So he's in Three Rivers California look him up. 

Adam Curry: 333 33 from Joe Grillo very, very popular number today East township New Jersey. Hello, jersey. Hello gents. I just got buzz kills newsletter and felt compelled to make my second executive producer donation to the best podcast in the universe. You guys make me laugh? That's, you know, I always say it Tina. What do you like the show says yes. Did you laugh? She always says yes. And if she says then the show was no good. If you didn't laugh, then there's no value. If you mentioned my band, the gumbo Gumbaz on air. It will qualifies 

as gumbo, gumbo, gumbo Goombas goombazz, the gumbo goombazz. They will qualify as an advertising tax deduction so it's a win win all around. The gumbo Goombas are a delicious medley of authentic New Orleans spaghetti jazz with a side of Creole check out our music on all digital platforms or YouTube Dude get that up and value for value please get that up in value for value. No jingles but some good karma would be appreciated. red rice and a red beans and rice Lee yours Joe 

Grillo from Joe Grillo music.com. Okay Unknown: good karma you've got karma John C Dvorak: he also has a website Gumball Goombas COMM And goombazz is spelled GUMB A and G O. Dane bang bang and Buellton California Damn it am I wanted to wish sir DH Slammer I happy 23rd anniversary after all these years you're still the one thanks for hitting me in the mouth. Thank you for your 

courage Dane bang make $223.23 years Adam Curry: and they never had a fight Sumit Cana summit Sumit comma Chattanooga Tennessee to 20 Thank you for all you do. I forgot to mention my last donation which put me up to knighthood that I'd like to be known as Sir battle penguin. Please let people know about battle penguin.com done Could I get an F the EU thank you for your courage. Sumit Khanna. John C Dvorak: Parker Parker jolly. In montgomery, Texas 200 

Switcheroo Happy Birthday to Brian jolly this the best older brother and Uncle we could ask for he also happens to be an awesome husband and father. Oh, hope you have your best year yet. Please give Brian a D douching. Unknown: You've been de deuced as John C Dvorak: he is the farthest thing from a douche. Some Trump jobs calm would be helpful to thank you for being a great brother slash uncle we'd love you from Parker, Kristen, 

Derek and bring them jobs, Unknown: jobs, jobs. John C Dvorak: Online and I read the next one too, because just from Linda Lou patcon in Lakewood, Colorado 20% chance I get to read it. 200 jobs karma first striking resume that hits people in the mouth go to Image makers inc.com for all, not not one, all of your executive resume and job search needs its 

image makers think with the k.com or just find Linda Lou packin under the show's producers list. She's been there every show for about a year so moms Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs. Jobs. Adam Curry: All right. Then we finally have Lindsey Christiansen from Santa Fe New Max scope $200 No note and Charles up John from Nashville. I'm gonna say that's Tennessee 

$200. Also no note. Well, you guys should send in notes. But until then you both got to double up karma. Thank you, you've got karma. And that concludes our executive and Associate Executive Producer for episode 1626. You should display these credits proudly because they are real and they are accepted anywhere that credits are recognized, including your LinkedIn profile. If you got business cards, put it in your you know that little VCF card that you have that you send 

everybody when they Here's my address card, your email, put it in there. So people have it on their phone. So they'll be reminded, oh, I'm looking for an executive producer, or imdb.com There's hundreds literally hundreds of Executive Associate Executive Producers there. Don't let the deuces in Hollywood be the only ones you can be that as well. Thank you so much for supporting us here at the best podcast in the universe. Jon's gonna take us through to the 50s right now. John C Dvorak: Yeah, I want to also thank Sarah for sending me some some nuts. You got some nuts, nuts I got a bunch of 

nuts. I also got a flute. I didn't get nuts or flute. The flute is impossible to play. The nuts in the field kind Adam Curry: of go together though and it's interesting. John C Dvorak: Grayson insurance is at the top of the list with 12345 in Aurora Colorado is a note floating around from them but Grayson insurance is probably somebody you should check out why if you live there, Matt hooker in San Pedro, California 12345 Nice some baby making karma. We'll put that at the end with read a Harrington sparks Nevada donation one one 

8.33. Aaron way Wiberg in Roberts, Wisconsin 11111. Sir Elaine Hart in Buford, Georgia 111 and donating for the birthday list. It'll be on your human resource will be on there. Lucas Williams in Roswell, New Mexico our favorite place $100 I still get a big laugh. I think it was Lucas or somebody else 

from Roswell. It sent me a souvenir from Roswell that it was the low alien driver's license. Adam Curry: Oh, yes. Yeah. And the spinning top. Spinning so yeah, John C Dvorak: I get the same and the little driver's license always gets you'd give it to people when they ask for ID and it's always really you do that? I have done it more than once. Is that when you get carded at the club? And I've dealt with those days are over Brian Ned doe but the I would Brian you get to eat whoever wants to get this karting thing where? You 

say gotta love your license. This is why Adam Curry: my face? Yeah, look John C Dvorak: at me. Do I look like I'm you know, border 21 Adam Curry: Look at me. John C Dvorak: Yes. No, I just totally because the boss says I have to look at everybody's no matter what. Brian Nedo in Bozeman, Montana. 100 Dame black loca in Smithville, Texas 100. Just to send a note in that was kind of interesting because it 

was a piece of on a piece of burnt paper. Adam Curry: That was a cool note. I liked that. I liked the whole presentation. John C Dvorak: Was she's the one who sent the flute. And it's a glass fluid. Dynamite I'm surprised and get blank. When Adam Curry: are you sure this isn't a crack pipe and you just mistaking it for flu? No, believe me. Unknown: Okay, John C Dvorak: it's got two holes all over the place. It's not like doesn't look anything like a pipe at all? Well it's just almost I mean, I if I knew a flutist I could probably have 

something. Play it but Adam Curry: yeah, yeah, that's yeah. You need to pucker your lips. Okay, okay. Okay. Listen, let me you want me to check the troll room now. John C Dvorak: Anyway, she lost 300 Adam Curry: We lost 300 Thanks to your fluting. John C Dvorak: Yeah, well, I'm trying to get rid of all she says she likes the she gave me a that's an instruction sheet. Adam Curry: I guarantee you. John C Dvorak: I guarantee it's not a Tracy Sullivan and Johnny 

bananas is in it at 314 They all say Hello sweet Hayward was Adam Curry: that was from Texas hot glass. I think that's black day mocha. She's from Texas hot glass. That's who makes those. John C Dvorak: Was the glass work is dynamite. And Adam Curry: she's really good. She said she sent us a thing back when I was still smoking a holy herb man. She sent me a bong. It was beautiful. John C Dvorak: Kevin McLaughlin in Concord North Carolina 808 

double treble double the fun you gotta love the magic of boobs up there goes another listener. Oh, there we go. We're losing unless Zachary Hannah 6033 from Cypress, Texas. Sir Kevin O'Brien in Chicago 6006 with small boobs. Zachary Maywood in Los Angeles fit this eight to the six James Edmondson is out Plainfield, New Jersey for the 510 Dean Roker to the 510. Sir, 

to Giunta in Dayton, Ohio. 55 He's of the ditch people. Todd zit, the unvaccinated in Chicago 55 He's been a douchebag USA D douching. You've been D deuced. Dave Sorensen in winter of Washington. Oh, he's been to douche bag sorry. Adam Curry: About Tom Woods donation. There it is. Tom Woods donation. You've been D deuced. 

John C Dvorak: Tom Woods donation about that. Michael Thompson a new brown fells Texas is 50 and the following people are all 50s name and location starting with Chris Wallace starting with Michael Thompson. But then Chris Lewinsky in Sherwood Park, Phillip blue in Louisville. Michael Pirot. Parrot parrot in Salem, Oregon Kelly make a deal in Mission Hills, Kansas. Joshua Barlow in Brighton, Colorado, Peter Peter 

odo todo in Ridge, New York Tatiana prints in Hollywood, Florida, Nathan Cochran, and Adam Curry: I see you Nathan. Hey brother. Joan. John C Dvorak: Pull up polls polls in Hernando beach person of merit comics in Columbus Ohio. Scott lavandera our buddy in Montgomery, Texas, gadget freak 10 in Western Springs, 

Illinois, Cory Bennett in Denver, Colorado Alexandre ver de HO in Gig Harbor, Washington, Luke Olsen in the Alexandria, Virginia, Cameron Collier and Justin Texas. James powers in Carnegie Oklahoma, split the mighty and Marietta Georgia surgery wing and Roth and Saugus is a long list Jason Ron and ship bottom New Jersey Baron Allen been in Beaverton Oregon and CV Hawk is last on the list and CV Hawkins in Wellington, 

New Zealand and I that may be the donation that came through stripe Adam Curry: Oh, there it is. It works. John C Dvorak: And as one to thank all these people for making show 1626 1626 The great reality that it is Adam Curry: and thank you to all the people who What are you drinking I'm have John C Dvorak: is thirsty. So today I've got Adam Curry: so you can read the lady walk into the mic John C Dvorak: Graham a lavender and lemon balm, verbal sparkling 

water rather Adam Curry: you're gonna die. John C Dvorak: Tastes like poop. Adam Curry: Thank you to these Executive Associate Executive producers and the producers up to $50 We appreciate you so much. You are the ones that keep it going once again and of course everyone who came in under $50 All of that is just as appreciated in many ways more because people aren't sustaining donations which often add up to knighthoods. It's really isn't it's not an uncommon occurrence. Of course under 50 We don't read 

the notes, and I will now deliver the jobs karma and baby making karma as requested jobs, Unknown: jobs, jobs and jobs for jobs. Adam Curry: And we add we have to add a goat for the baby making karma that helps. Thank you all again for producing episode 1626 of the best podcast in the universe. Our formula Unknown: is this. We go out we hit people in the mouth Adam Curry: and as an extra bonus service, we always like to 

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Birthday to his son Caleb Bazar. He turns 20 years old tomorrow happy birthday from everybody. Here's the best podcast in the universe. And we have one knighting to deal with, which I'm happy to do because I've got my blade here. Ready? And usually Here's mine. The sheets. Oh, that's the one that that Houthi guy has. What's that? What's that thing called? That the one that he has stuck in his belt? That looks like a looks like a cricket bat? Yeah, sharp. Sharp, very John C Dvorak: sharp. Yes. Very sharp. Adam Curry: Sue icon. Come on up. Brother. You are about to 

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correspondence. And of course, with that, we do offer a certificate of authenticity. Thank you so much for supporting the no agenda show. And a late Christmas gift switcheroo from Brian watt. Who said I'm sending this donate this donation because my dad Brian who hit me in the mouth years ago has been an avid listener of the show since episode 182. He's a douchebag he liked your so so much as your show so much that he went back and listened to all the prior episodes that he would 

get all the jokes. I would like to make this donation is switcheroo because I cannot bear the shame of having a douche bag father any longer. Please de doop Shem I will remain a douchebag until I can collect more treasure. Merry Christmas. Unknown: Ben de deuced. Adam Curry: Part of the joy of being in no agenda nation Gitmo nation is a no agenda meet up and they take place all over the world often one every single day of the week. You can find them 

at no agenda meetups.com No one and to prove that they are like a party. We have the report from the indie meetup this is this is the I think their first one of the new year and Damon had put together an excellent report for us. He says Unknown: de Maria and Sir Mark Happy New Year and they tried we are having our first meetup here in Indy, and it's wonderful life 

on the northern coast of Indianapolis where it's subzero fun in the Morning John Nam this Bruce Hey, this typhoid Emily calling out to Obama. Can you turn up the heat over here? We're seeing some global warming. Hello Hi, this is James Cindy of the Tito's from Carmel thank you for your courage sir Craig is the dark moon here boiler up Hi, it's Tom not from Carmel 50 minus because it's below zero. This is Nia of Arcadia water. No agent, mass number one favorite podcast for fishers in the morning. Madam pa this is sort of over 

the Maipo I really liked the show. I really like the beat ups in the morning tool. Hi, this is Gary from Greenwood and Lloyd awesome isn't dead. He's sitting here at the bar having one of our great craft beers. This is Shannon for for when visiting Andy we're reading Blum house in the prairie books and having a reindeer meat sandwich in orange. And Adam This is Nick It's bitterly cold in January how Gore tried to warn us Ryan from Fishers Indiana in the morning in the Morning John and Adam sir PVR street gang live in the cold live here in Indiana in the morning, Dave Kennedy from 

Fort Wayne trying not to freeze. Thank you for your courage. Hi, this is Cindy from Grand Junction Brewing Company. We had no agenda in here with us today. We had a great time at Green Food join the community and we were happy to have him here. Really great people. Yeah, thanks for coming to the Boyer family here from Indianapolis Indiana. Adam Curry: Okay, that's a meet up report right there. What a 

great crowd and they're the most pretty to all of them just beautiful, beautiful group and And you hear how well it is for your establishment? Yeah, Grand Junction brewing. They got like, the whole plug. They're fantastic. Often the waitstaff gets into it. They love being a part of the no agenda community as well. And you can check out the following meetups. Actually one is taking place today at 630 Lincoln's Roadhouse Pearl Street is in Denver, Colorado. The Charlotte thirsty Third Thursday meetup starts tonight at seven o'clock at Ed's Tavern in 

Charlotte, North Carolina. On Saturdays in New Hampshire meet up 1230 At revolution tap room and grill Rochester New Hampshire. Fort Worth first meet up of 2020 for one o'clock that's in Texas. Flips Patio Grill Fort Worth. And we have the Fort Wayne view scope. northeast Indiana club 33 meet up at the arena Bar and Grill that'll be Fort Wayne, Indiana, the North that's all on Saturday, North Carolina try had no agenda meet up two o'clock at Little Brothers brewing formerly known as Kernersville Brewing Company in Kernersville, North 

Carolina, North Carolina, the shrunken amygdala, support group two o'clock task group corium Cincinnati, Ohio the insane Diego meet up on Saturday 333 at roundtable pizza and Rancho Bernardo San Diego California, the tiny and make of Anchorage 2023 Year in Review. Oh we're gonna do a rerun review four o'clock at Bear Paw Bar and Grill in Anchorage. I've been there. That's the one place I've been in Anchorage. Bear Paw Bar and Grill. Yeah, I was there one time are we doing in Anchorage? 

I was doing this back in my MTV days did an appearance. At the I think it was at the bear paw bar and grill or maybe some club right next to it. I was there for 24 hours. It was I have to go back. I have to go back to Anchorage. We want to do early John C Dvorak: state I have not visited Adam Curry: it. People are really cool. That's what I remember. Of course I was MTV guy. So maybe like who are you now? John C Dvorak: Yeah, they're like your hair. Yeah, exactly. And okay, does that keep you warm that here 

Adam Curry: finally the Zen full kitchen collective and Kilgore mid monthly monthly meet up in Zen Zen kitchen in Kilgore, Texas and dirty jersey. Horeb will be your host there. These are just a couple of the no agenda meetups. We have one coming up in February and Singapore Kilkenny in March. That's Ireland. We have many more in Texas, Canada Navia all over the United States and the world that no agenda meetups, go to no agenda meetups.com Find a place where there's a meetup 

near you if you can't find one start one yourself. It's easy and always guaranteed a party with Unknown: me you want to be John C Dvorak: is like Adam Curry: we went from watching Frasier reruns to cheers reruns and I realized that's the cheers theme. I'm 

like, hey man, they know that they stole our no agenda meetups the oh wait a minute. Yeah, joke although I like our short version but so long at the beginning of cheers back in the day they thought that was cool that the long opening music John C Dvorak: Yeah, it's great. Those days are over those Adam Curry: days are over those days. Oh, yeah. What by the way, just John C Dvorak: a quickie before we get to the ISOs Yes, I watched a horrible Emmys. Oh, I Adam Curry: have a clip. 

John C Dvorak: I wrote it up in the newsletter for people who want to kind of get a some type of twist if you want to hear a short clip. I'd love to hear a short clip. Everybody Unknown: having fun at the chocolate Emmys tonight. Nailed it. We are killing it tonight. Tyler we are killing it tonight. You see this is like a man K dangereux t all rolled into one I mean if I was nominated this year Hale I definitely would 

have won all right. The chocolate John C Dvorak: Emmys. Yeah, that's pretty close to it. Adam Curry: What does he mean by that chocolate Emmys? Well, John C Dvorak: people of color quote unquote Oh Adam Curry: goodness. walked away with every day people of color. John C Dvorak: So people of color it includes Chinese. Yes. Well, yeah. He was moist. Adam Curry: Moist says when he hears that he Yeah, I know. John C Dvorak: I know. Yeah, he's right. Yeah, it sounds like to me too. Adam Curry: I agree. So 

John C Dvorak: Koreans, a lot of Koreans want me everybody. Here's Adam Curry: what happened to the white Christians. I thought they were in charge of everything. John C Dvorak: Well, they are and I think they decided to go this route. Okay. The best example of the best, late night talk show food first of all they took they took they had to give John Oliver award because he's got a writing staff of about 50 people and they all needed money. So John Oliver got pushed 

into a category called best variety show. Adam Curry: What is the last variety? Is there singing and dancing? That's John C Dvorak: No, I mean, yeah, once the way is a gag dancer Come on, but that's ridiculous. So they gave him an award for that. But so they had the best talk shows they left Gutfeld out of this, of course now and they had have, they had Kimmel, they had a late night with Stephen Colbert, and they had Jimmy Fallon and then they had Noah on the Comedy Central show. That 

show is over as canceled and has been cancelled is over. He's not even work as far as I know. It is not even there anymore. But chocolate Adam Curry: so he gets an award. Exactly. John C Dvorak: And the staffs and the the other guys are putting you know, they're a bunch of liberals and you're politely clapping you know, they've got bands and stabs they got a lot of people to feed and they're politely all it's great that no one and it's funny to watch. Adam Curry: Oh, man, oh, man. Oh, man, but it 

John C Dvorak: was I don't know what the ratings were but it was against Monday Night Football. I mean, the chocolates get Adam Curry: all the awards and we get Trump. I mean, this is not fair. John C Dvorak: There you have it. There you have it. No chocolates, chocolates, Adam Curry: chocolate. The chocolate Emmys degrading. Why do I say that man? Anyway, whatever. I only have one eye so you want to hear mine? Yeah, sure. It's a doozy though. Be careful. Yours may not stack up to it. Here we go. Unknown: Ah, wow. Wow, 

Adam Curry: that's a good it's a good it's not just wow, it's Ah, Unknown: wow. Wow. But John C Dvorak: I like it. I've always liked to wireless I usually contribute to wireless. Well, let's go with so I got three. Start with lies. Adam Curry: I don't want to hear any more of these lies. That's the that's from the archive. That's the classic. It's a classic classic. Yeah, John C Dvorak: I got a mega mega. Yeah, okay. Okay, well, Mega Man again. And then the last one is podcast structure. 

Unknown: This podcast has no structure. Adam Curry: I think we have a winner. There you go. In a nutshell. Ladies and gentlemen, we have an end of show. So now it's time for Google JC Penney to read a note here which we got from Wait, where's where it was? It was from one of our producers. When did I erase that? What did I do with that? 

He said oh goodness. But I I have a note that I wanted to read but now I can't find it. So I'll look for it. Okay, what's your good news for today? Unknown: Okay, today's John C Dvorak: good news comes from Iowa. Iowa and it snowed in in Iowa and is doctors going around saving the day with his one of those four wheelers those little bicycle thing he said four weeks Adam Curry: ago, but it was like Doc Holloway on a four wheeler 

is that everything he could to make sure last week's winter storm couldn't stop him from delivering a baby. Unknown: Yeah, he took this ATV to Shenandoah Medical Center to help baby Berkeley gardener come into the world. Okay, TV news, watch him and Sean McCann and caught up with mom, dad and doctor about that snowy situation last Friday in Shenandoah, Iowa. Time must have felt frozen, as subzero temps kept people indoors. The gardeners were on their way to the hospital mom crystal gardener was due and Dr. 

Chase brown knew his four wheeler was the only way he could make it there. He cleared snowdrifts by hitting them at 20 miles per hour, snow and everywhere I went flying in all directions but just keep going through to the next one. And it wasn't just Dr. Brown. The whole medical team braved the snow and cold to make sure this baby would be delivered. We knew he was gonna get there. They all would get there for it. The garters were blessed with a baby girl named Berkeley at Tuesday's checkup. Brown says she's healthy as can be. She's a very good baby. We couldn't have asked for more 

perfection so her siblings can't put her down. Does Leah share at all that she doesn't share much and tries not? Despite Berkeley being born in a winter storm, she doesn't like to be out of her blanket out of her swaddle nothing. And she hates the cold for Brown. There was never a question he'd make it. In fact, he's gone to three deliveries now by four wheeler again, no matter what's coming, for there to take care of people. And while time might move slowly in this small town, there's no snow day for a baby ready to meet the world. This is a dream come true 

for me to be here in a small town and provide the care we can in experiences like this is just how I imagine that'd be a doctor one day Sean McKinnon, K TV NEWSWATCH SEVEN. Ah, John C Dvorak: wow. No doctors like that. Except a little small towns around here is Adam Curry: beautiful. It was so nice. I feel good. I found the note. SOC, sent a note through fountain to podcasting 2.0 Good news. This is going to be a nightmare when they needed another show day off three hours of good news segments is going 

to need a disclaimer for the side effects. You nailed it, brother. You nailed it. Yeah, John C Dvorak: we're gonna cumulate Unknown: JC had the vibes for you and me and we all feel better. Now he's done his bit, to the back Adam Curry: to reality. That's turning to shit. Good news, everybody. We end every show with some good news. So you can feel good going into the next few days without us. But of course, we'll be back on Sunday to deconstruct all of the 

world's events for you. Maybe by then we will have a new Lloyd Austin. You never know. You never know you never know. queued up for you. Some end of show mixes. Thank you. Steph Jacobson. Proud Professor Jay Jones. Producer X. I want to thank the Jones brothers Neil and Steve and Marty bent for some of those clips from the douchebags of Davos. Lots of people help with their time, talent and treasure. Why don't you do the same? No agenda donations.com. And if you're 

gonna stick around for the next show live on the stream or in your modern podcast that grumpy old Ben's up next on the stream coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill Country here and FEMA Region number six in the morning, everybody I am John C Dvorak: Adam curry came from Northern Silicon Valley. I'm John C. Dvorak. Adam Curry: We return on Sunday. More deconstruction, more news, more info, more clips, more boots on the ground insight, knowledge. And of course the humor. The comedic stylings, 

remember us, Dvorak that org slash na no agenda donations.com until Sunday, adios mofos a hui Hui and such Unknown: speaking scenes two days it is Doug's what's not to be thrilled about it down happy with the diet. good about what you're feeding. Now of course you really want to make the advertiser feel happy if you ended up having to share your dog's food Sunday's I speak 

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with Lebanon with Iran with anybody to draw in the US of build the butcher. BUTCHER Biden is reporting for Tuesday. What's your approach, genocide by his side extinguishes life the continuation of Israeli terrorists the son of a butcher, a ruthless fighter. So take notes butcher fighting, it's frankly deplorable and wholly depressing. Just keep our constants out of your mouth. It's important to remember who this man is. He's a xenophobic 

killer who has aligned himself with fellow scared bigots. For Joe Biden is reporting he is not a good man betrays a no this man is evil and never tried to tell us otherwise is a noses genocide that Germany with your words and deeds supporting Israel, the people of Europe stand with Palestine and with South Africa. Christian Lord guide my hand. It's important to remember who this man is for Joe Biden is reporting for duty. 

He's a xenophobic killer who has aligned himself with fellow scared and bigots. Israel is loose Then, on the grounds and in the court of public opinion, the people of North Stand with Palestine and with South Africa. What is best in my mind? For Russia enemies, see them driven before you hear the lamentation of the women John C Dvorak: lamentation, Lamentation Lamentation 

Lamentation, lamentation, lamentation is where you just lament your euros woes you know the worst moaning and groaning, moaning and groaning and moaning and 

groaning, groaning lamentation, Lamentation Lamentation Clementine lamentation limitation is good Unknown: MoPhO boruch.org/in a 

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